Brave Waters

I should have linked to this post from Jane on Maxine Waters stumping for Lamont (more from Steve Gilliard here).  It's a big deal that Waters was in Connecticut working for Lamont.  The African-American vote is hugely important in this primary, and Bill Clinton is beloved in that community.  Waters is highly respected, and as the head of the Out of Iraq caucus, carries a lot of weight.  She put her thumb on the scale for Lamont, and that's one of the only ways to counterbalance Bill Clinton's appearance.  It's nice of the press to mostly ignore the significance of her presence, but hey, what else is new.

African-American politics is hugely fascinating and not at all well-understood by most white Americans.  The press tends to ignore most stories about black politics that aren't about outright corruption, which means that a lot of very basic facts are left out of our media narrative.  Before Iraq, the anti-war contingent was portrayed as a bunch of hippies, but a substantial and disproportionate chunk of that group was composed of African-Americans who knew better than to trust George Bush and the liberal punditocracy.  African-Americans are extraordinarily progressive/liberal on most issues, but it's not a process or identity liberalism.  90% voted for Gore in 2000, and there were very few Nader voters.  

The CBC itself is a fascinating caucus, split between business-backed members and genuinely strong progressives that are routinely betrayed by the party.  If you watched the electoral college count in 2000, you would have seen this betrayal.  Waters, in splitting from the incumbent Democrats and backing Lamont, is showing genuine courage, as well as a real strategic sense.

This alliance, of African-American progressives like Waters and white good government progressives, could be enormously powerful.  Combined with the youth vote and a majority of Hispanics, that's a majority progressive country right there.  In the more immediate short-term, if Ned Lamont wins, it will be because CBC member Maxine Waters decided that taking a political risk and bucking the party was the right thing to do.

Last week, Maxine Waters was a progressive hero.



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Re: Brave Waters (none / 0)

The only question is not whether her appearance appears in the black press, but whether she is heard on black radio and the black press? A show like Wendy Williams for example is a good way to reach people in a non traditonal way.


by bruh21 on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 06:28:24 PM EST

One thing (none / 0)

is that black liberals are often conservative on issues such as religion and gay rights. Black liberals are not indifferent and hostile to religion the way that white "progressives" are.


by jiacinto on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 06:49:49 PM EST

Hogwash (none / 0)

The last part about white progressives. Speaking as the webmaster for Wisconsin Catholics for Kerry. An atheist too, uploading the prayers for peace by Pope John Paul and the Catholic Conference of Bishops.
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by MikeB on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 07:56:04 PM EST
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Re: Hogwash (none / 0)

Look at this board and Kos. You will see hostility toward religion from a group of posters.


by jiacinto on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 09:30:20 PM EST
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Re: Hogwash (none / 0)

I try to keep my hostility toward religion to myself.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 09:39:21 PM EST
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You look (none / 0)

"A group of posters" and "white progressives" are two different things. You've got a very broad movement here with all kinds of attitudes towards religion, attitudes spanned in my family and in my own head for that matter. Broad generalizations categorizing "white progressives" attitude toward religion is as foolish as characterizing the political attitudes of all religious (or non-religious) people, and as counter-productive.
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by MikeB on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 11:51:02 PM EST
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Bullshit (none / 0)

I see more hostility to non believers like me than the other way around. In India, belief in God is not an issue when it comes to politics. An athiest can become the Prime Minister of India and India is a pretty religious country.

A few people make fun of religion and the religious majority is up in arms. If religious people get bombarded in overt and subtle ways on a regular basis about how God does not exist to the same extent we get bombarded with messages that it is a given that God does exist(and most of the times that means a Christian god), I would like to see how outraged they get. THey get pissed off at trivial affronts to religion, as it is.


by Pravin on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 11:57:46 PM EST
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Re: One thing (none / 0)

show the polling data that compares black liberals to the rest of the population that shows they are more conservative on social agenda issues.


by bruh21 on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 11:21:13 PM EST
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Re: One thing (none / 0)

See this:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle. cfm?ItemID=5616

In a recent poll, 65 percent of blacks opposed same-sex marriage, although other surveys have shown strong support for laws banning discrimination against gays. What offends most black people is the comparison between the gay-marriage struggle and the black struggle for civil rights.
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http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/ special_packages/naacp/9127259.htm

"A national poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press in November found that 60 percent of black respondents opposed gay marriage. A December New York Times poll put the figure at 75 percent. The Pew poll found blacks less inclined than whites or Hispanics to support gay marriage, with just 28 percent in favor."

Admittedly some of these polls are two years old, but I doubt that public opinion can shift that quickly.


by jiacinto on Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 12:50:54 AM EST
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Re: One thing (none / 0)

thats about where the poll is nationally for everyone over all on gay marriage. where it differs is where its switched to civil unions- then you get around 50 percent in support. but national overall the numbers are equivalent to this.


by bruh21 on Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 03:12:14 PM EST
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Re: Brave Waters (none / 0)

If more DCDems were like Maxine Waters, Democrats would not only be in power, but would be doing good things for all Americans with it.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 09:43:51 PM EST

Brave Stoller (3.00 / 1)

Despite the fact that African-Americans represent a powerful voting bloc and a strengthening economic base presenting a potential source of donations, many non-black progressive bloggers have shown superficial interest in black politics. Katrina has thrown off a hitherto growing interest in the conservative message, giving Dems another chance. Yet it is unwise to take to take the African-American vote for granted -- they are the bellwether and conscience of the nation. Without their energy and drive, the progressive movement will have its wings clipped.


by Anouke on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 09:47:01 PM EST

Congressional Poverty Caucus (none / 0)

The CBC could reform itself as the CPC, include progressives and hispanics, and become a very influential group.

The Congressional Black Caucus was formed to help underprivileged blacks out of poverty. Today, many of the discrimination hurdles have been taken care of, but poverty is its own problem, which should now be addressed as the multi-ethnic issue that it is.


Progress is Personal | PCCC
by msnook on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 09:47:25 PM EST

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Yes, Matt you've hit it. White Democratic wonks have got to get used to the fact that the base of the Democratic Party, the reliable voters who want and need us, aren't just more of us.

If we try to gloss over this reality, we're as far out in cuckoo land as the other guys. Heck, even a progressive foundation has spelled this out for us. We have to listen or we will never rebuild the party.

Good for Waters and the Lamont campaign!


Can It Happen Here?
by janinsanfran on Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 08:33:01 AM EST


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