National Journal: Where's Edwards?

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So - big news this week on Edwards and the whole running for President thing. Let's start with a story that comes to us from National Journal, subscription only. Since it's subscription only and even a day pass costs 25 bucks I'll excerpt it heavily and give you an overview. And my opinion - sorry. Get a subscription if that doesn't work for you.

Where's Edwards? by Marc Ambinder

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"The decision to skip the early campaign exercises widely considered mandatory appears to be the result of confidence, not lethargy."

John Edwards, the Democrats'vice presidential nominee two years ago, might be expected to be among the most visible of the pack. Yet he has all but disappeared from the Washington political tableau--even from the jockeying for staff, support, and money that goes on offstage.

Edwards is doing the opposite of what tradition suggests that he should and yet, somehow, it's working. In early June, the Iowa Poll, a respected measure of public opinion, indicated that voters in the state to hold the first caucus are more inclined to support Edwards than any other Democrat, including Clinton.

Ambinder is referring to the DMR, Des Moines Register, poll that came out June 11, 2006. Not only did JRE best Hillary 30-26, but he showed up that very day in Iowa to campaign with the Democratic nominees: Chet Culver, Bruce Braley and Dave Loebsack. That was a big story, Edwards called the poll a "nice gift" because it was his birthday and by showing up to surrogate for the Dem slate, the first out-of-towner mind you invited by Iowans, he maximized the effect of the news. "John Edwards was in town today, blah blah blah, after his surprising first place showing in the DMR poll." That sounded a lot better than, "oh yeah, someone took and poll and Edwards came in first... In other news..."

Little has been made of this poll at kos by many kossacks and even if you think it's a big number - it's bigger than you think. Many posters have said, "big deal, he got over 30% in 2004 - so in fact he's lost ground." That's a false assertion for the following reason. On caucus night in Iowa many voters showed up with Edwards as their second choice. Dean and Gephardt, shockingly, were failing to meet the 15% threshold required to get any votes at all across the state. Once they failed threshold, Dean to a much lesser degree, their voters had to go and align themselves with other candidates in their caucus. Many chose Edwards; Kucinich also stated for the record that he wanted his people to consider Edwards as an option. There was some inside baseball there, but the DMR poll shows that Edwards is at a real 30% now and not after the maneuverings required by the system.

Ambinder continues:

Perhaps most bewildering to some inside-the-Beltway Democrats is that Edwards doesn't seem to care whether they think he's making all the wrong moves. So, has he lost the fire in that famously taut belly? Apparently not. He recently told a group of Democrats in Washington that he's "seriously considering" the 2008 race.

Edwards's rivals speculate that, by having drastically lowered expectations about what he will raise, if Edwards pulls in, say, $5 million in the first quarter of 2007, he will instantly erase whatever doubts may have developed about his ability to compete.

Bewildering for sure, this money thing has the establishment is in a real state. Look at the Hotline rankings for last month. Edwards is up to 2, "not vaulting into position" from 4. They had to put him there because of the results from the Iowa poll:

He's not vaulting into this position -- he's actually been a bit of a sleeper -- but some of his early moves confuse us. His PAC has no money; he's not courting fundraisers; he rarely gives interviews. His first-place finish in the Iowa Poll surprised D.C., suggesting that his strategy is working. Edwards already got commitments from his high command for '08. His focus on politics gives him a laser-like ability to position himself. This week, for example, he jettisons (ok, "advances") Two Americas for a "new social contract." The problem: Folks know Edwards and seem to like him. What if they think Edwards 2.0 isn't as... authentic?
Hotline themselves reported that Edwards has raised 6.5 million for down ballot candidates in the last year, as Ambinder reports that's second only to Clinton at about a million more. Thing is he's not doing it the traditional way by raising the money through his leadership PAC and then cutting checks from his office in DC. He goes out to headline the events himself and on his own dime.

Iowans like version 2.0 according to the DMR poll. 71% of prospective voters consider Edwards an acceptable choice for the nomination according to last week's Gallup poll, more than Hillary or Gore. A full 86% give Edwards a thumbs up on favorability according to the netroots survey by Chris Bowers, this puts him 16 points above his closest rival in the poll, Feingold. Gore was not on the list.

Authentic? Check out the Gnomedex tape at YouTube, authenticity was a theme that the techies kept on bringing up again and again. Edwards aced it, because he's got it.
Edwards at Gnomedex - Part 2
Edwards at Gnomedex - Part 3

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He's also connecting with labor in a real way through his work with "Justice for Janitors", "Hotel Workers Rising", AFL-CIO and anyone else that calls the house in Raleigh. We all know his firm commitment to provide labor with a means to make it work out there in the country. He has said, "unions are the best anti-poverty program ever invented," and that, "just as industrial unions built the middle class of the 20th century so too service unions can build the middle class on the 21st century." He's also showing up almost anywhere a union picks a fight, like that really ugly one in Miami with UNICCO and UMiami. In Person. And on his own dime, which he has few of - in his PAC at least. He even went all the way to Hawaii to rally the troops for "Hotel Workers Rising / Unite Here" and delivered a rousing speech on the beach. Palms trees swaying in the breeze and all that jazz.

Then Ambinder starts in with "the poverty issue", but I think he commits himself well in this piece. He gives Edwards the respect that the issue deserves and discusses at length the path that Edwards took to get there.

Some on the periphery of Edwards's political team told closer advisers that focusing on poverty was a bad idea. But his political staff dutifully began building around Edwards a structure to translate his "personal passion," as one current aide calls it, into a credible 2008 campaign.

Edwards made another early decision: He was done raising money--"shaking the trees," as he told one adviser. His wife was fighting breast cancer, and his young children needed his attention. Besides, dialing for dollars would look unseemly given the issue that he had decided to call his own...

And now Edwards has begun to use poverty in America not just as a way to describe his vision of a better tomorrow--in a National Press Club speech last month he boldly talked of eradicating the problem within 30 years--but also as a way to depict himself as more principled than front-runner Hillary Clinton.

Got it?

Now Edwards has three golden tickets. Money, ground troops in labor and vision with a "new Democrat kind of fighting spirit" that he can stand on against anyone in the race. Voters just love a fighting Democrat standing up for the little guy. He's got big ideas and it all comes from a place of truth, not just politically. He was years ahead of this Katrina thing that ashamed and disturbed the entire nation and he's just been taking it to a new level everyday since the horror of the Superdome went down right in front of our very eyes on the tube.

How many times have you heard Edwards say,
"I don't want to hear any more weasel words on health care,"
or
"I don't want the Democrats to be a party of incrementalism, I want Democrats to stand up and show some strength and courage and backbone."
Because he says it a lot. That's a key element of my support for this candidacy and that message has legs, especially at this time in our history. At the National Press Club last month, he said, the following. "These times are critical, so let me be clear: in this battle for the soul of our Party, there is no less at stake than the future of America and the future of the world." It's a battle that he's planning to fight come '08.

I. Just. Can. Not. Wait. For that one - Senator. Sign me up! Click on the embedded video links above if you want to hear him say it yourself, the National Press Club link is to the full speech and audio. I'm getting ahead of the story here, my apologies. Ambinder continues:

To Dethrone the Queen

Most of the Democrats now running several furlongs behind Hillary open their argument for their presidential campaigns by questioning her viability: She can't win the general election, they declare or--more often--whisper. Sen. Bayh of Indiana, and former Virginia Gov. Warner, for example, stress their redstate credentials. All but one of the horses in the pack seem to be positioning themselves as the alternative to Hillary--should she stumble.

The exception, Edwards, is maneuvering to actually trip her up by exposing her as too cautious, too calculating, too lacking in dedication to any cause except her own advancement. Edwards aims to be Clinton's foil, an exemplar of unflinching fortitude who is unafraid to take clear, strong stands. Unlike almost everyone else chasing Hillary, Edwards probably has zero chance of becoming the vice presidential nominee a second time. So, unlike the others, he has no reason to hold back in contrasting himself with her.

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 ImageShack.usI like the sound of that and Mr. Ambinder is exactly right. Plus I think the other candidates are making a grave error, Hillary ain't gonna stumble. She's a pro and she's been playing the game at the highest level for decades now. She knows how to handle herself and "her tenacity is legendary," that means she's tough as nails - kids. I agree.

And what's the beauty of the strategy? He doesn't have to "whisper" anything to make the point, draw the contrast and present the voter with a clear and honest choice. He just has to go out and tell it. He can once again take the high road in the primaries that will be vicious to be sure.

Mr. Ambinder continues with a discussion of the front-loaded primary schedule.

James Campbell, a political scientist at the State University of New York (Buffalo), predicts that the front-loaded system "will work substantially to a front-runner's advantage, assuming that there is some depth to that [candidate's] support." The party operatives behind the calendar changes want the nominee to be crowned by the end of the third week of February. In theory, that works to Edwards's advantage: If he beats Clinton in Iowa or another early state, he'll need to survive only three weeks or so as the new front-runner to clinch the nomination--assuming, of course, that Clinton's support is shallow.

Clinton might well soldier on despite a major upset or two. She would assuredly have tens of millions of dollars to throw at subsequent states. And her tenacity is legendary.

Okay? So if she can't put Edwards away by Valentines Day 2008 then all bets are off. Also mentioned in this article is the Gore factor. If Gore runs then everything changes because it's no longer a Hillary - anti-Hillary race. I'm not going there because I don't think Gore is running. Ambinder also mentions that Feingold has a lot going for him in this race. If he can make the sale and get some results then he could be another candidate to emerge in a three-way race between Edwards, Hillary and Feingold. He's got legs and he doesn't need a heck of a lot of money to run a guerrilla style campaign. In fact, I think that's right up his alley.

...And then Saturday happens. Mr Ambinder didn't have the benefit of knowing what the committee to the committee would recommend. This changes a lot and it's a huge gift to Edwards - no question. The recommendations accepted by Dean are that Nevada will schedule a caucus after Iowa and before NH and then South Carolina goes with a primary the week after NH.

Image Hosted by ImageShack.usWhat do we know about Nevada?
The racial/ethnic makeup of the state is:
65.2 % White; 19.7 % Hispanic; 6.8 % Black; 4.5 % Asian; 0.9 % Native American; 1.4 % Mixed Race.

Nevada:

  • Has three congressional districts
  • Is nicknamed is "The Silver State" or "The Sagebrush State"
  • Has an estimated population of 2.4 million
  • Has many voters who are concerned about Yucca Mountain
  • 25% of it's voters come from Union Households



Image Hosted by ImageShack.usWhat do we know about South Carolina?
The racial/ethnic makeup of the state is:
66.1 % White; 30.5 % Black; 2.4 % Hispanic; 0.9 % Asian; 0.3 % Native American; 1.0 % Mixed Race.

South Carolina:

  • Has six congressional districts
  • Is nicknamed is "The Palmetto State"
  • Has an estimated population of 4.2 million
  • Was the first to secede from the Union
  • Is the birthplace of John Reid Edwards


In 2004, South Carolina went for Edwards, their small town boy, despite the growing chorus that Kerry was inevitable. Could South Carolina deliver the knock out punch to Hillary this time around? It remains to be seen, but if Edwards can secure a victory in Iowa, Nevada and finish in the top three or four in NH then a win in South Carolina instantly turns him into the front-runner before the primary window even opens on February 5, 2008.

Ambinder discusses that Edwards may be vulnerable with black voters and that Hillary is married to "the First Black President of the Unites States", but with the poverty piece in the Edwards message and the work he's done with the labor unions it's not a gimme. She has to do much more than just send Bill out to rally the troops. She has to deliver substance, can she do that with her DLC centrist message? To black voters?

Ambinder wrote a solid piece, it's sad that it was last month's news the day it came out because of the change to the primary schedule announced over the weekend. See ya round Mr. Ambinder, better luck next time.

Oh yeah, Edwards will be attending a Wakeup Wal-Mart rally in Pittsburgh next week. This is one of the best grassroots union organizations in the country. Stop by and give 'em some love at their website if you're as disgusted by Wal-Mart's working poor as I am.





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It's a long way off to be sure, but this frame and the new schedule, if accepted, point to Edwards all the way.

I can not imagine that we'll go for: BushI, ClintonI, BushII followed by ClintonII.

Do you think that Hillary's support is shallow?


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 02:46:49 PM EST

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...a mile wide and an inch deep.  Hillary is like Lieberman in '04:  the default choice due to name recognition.  As soon as anyone else starts getting momentum, she'll sink like a stone.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 12:17:06 AM EST
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Has Edwards ALREADY WON?

OK, just joking, but things all of the sudden look very good for Johnny Sunshine:

The Democratic National Committee's rules and bylaws committee on Saturday approved adding an early caucus for Nevada and an early primary for South Carolina in 2008. The schedule, if approved by the full DNC in August, would be:

Iowa:  14 January, Caucus
Nevada:  19 January, Caucus
New Hampshire:  22 January, Primary
South Carolina:  29 January, Primary
The window for other states would open 5 February.

And that new Democratic schedule heavily favors John Edwards:

Iowa
Edwards has his grassroots organization intact in Iowa (and they're having great success with Chet Culver's gubernatorial campaign), leads the polls there now (he's kept or expanded his 32% support from 2004), is working the state (10 visits since 2005), and is well liked by the Des Moines Register.  Vilsack's a non-factor in his home state, and may not even run if his polls don't go up.  Kerry is dead man walking (he's already lost 2/3 of his 2004 support). Warner will get some votes there, but not enough to reach the 15% threshold consistently. Feingold will probably do well in the state, but Edwards knows the track and is a great retail politician.  Prediction: Edwards 40%, Hillary 25%, Feingold 20%, Warner 5%, Bayh 5%, Others 5%.

Nevada
So Edwards wins Iowa and takes momentum into Nevada. Caucus is all turnout, and the Democratic party in Nevada is one organization: Culinary Union 226 of Las Vegas, Unite-Here's power base, the strongest local union in the country, 60,000 strong.  And Unite-Here are already 100% behind Edwards (that'll be true of the Change To Win unions, at least, as Koso himself noted earlier).  Union households make up 25% of the total electorate in Nevada, and will be a much larger portion of the Democratic caucus vote (indeed Reid and the unions picked Nevada to move up because they wanted more union imput in the primary process).  Edwards has developed deep ties with union leaders and workers over the past two years; he's been very active in "Hotel Workers Rising" movement.  Edwards is also making friends through his support of Nevada's raising the minimum wage proposal.

New Hampshire
This might be the place where Feingold and Hillary do best (but is it now too late?), but NH did follow Iowa in 2004, and may jump on the Edwards-Iowa-Nevada bandwagon.

South Carolina
And then there's SC, the state Edwards already convincingly won in 2004 (45%)!  Edwards still has the local-boy-done-good vote (he was born in South Carolina), will compete with Clinton for African-American vote, and still will have the momentum.

If JRE wins 3 out of 4, this baby is over early.

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And Kos himself "endorsed" my comments at Dkos:  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/25/ 135340/322#c312


Michigan For Edwards and Labor-Netroots for Edwards
by philgoblue on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 03:28:31 PM EST

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[schedule favors Edwards except perhaps that NH is still early]

I still remember a surprising amount of enthusiasm for Edwards when I canvassed in NH for Kerry in 2004 -- one person told me that they were voting for Bush over Kerry but liked Edwards and  would be voting for him if they could.  Completely insane, of course, and probably says more about Kerry than about anybody else, but there it was.

Interestingly, I got two solicitations in the mail a few days ago -- one from Edwards on behalf of the DSCC and one from Obama on behalf of his own PAC.


by DaveMB on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 03:48:30 PM EST

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I live in No. Ma. and there's a lot of NHer-ites that I work with. Some of them have a surprisingly good opinion of Edwards.

This person is definitely on outlier.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:18:15 PM EST
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One of the reasons that I support Edwards is that he is wicked smart. He is always thinking many steps ahead of the opponents and way outside the box  which is good for a world leader.  I heard story after story of his hard work before a case so there was nothing that surprised him.  He was ready for anything. I also heard of his steely determination which made the opposition blink first.  He did this all with civility.  And we saw his flash of anger on election night when he vowed to fight on. Later he was told that Kerry would not fight on.  So don't anybody fall for the "Breck Boy" meme that the corporatist media tried to spin last time.  This guy is a marathon runner literally and figuratively.


Join the Feral Cats of Freedom Coughing Up Hairballs of Truth in the Montana Underbrush
by Feral Cat on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 04:39:47 PM EST

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feral cat, love it.

Yeah he didn't get to where he is today by being wicked nice. I mean really, a hick from the sticks who has won what 100+ million in judgments for clients in twenty years? I'd hate to meet him up a dark alley on the wrong side of an issue. Speaks to the feral nature in us all.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:21:16 PM EST
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The African American vote is growing more and more dissatisfied with Democratic leadership.  There are leaders (not many, but more than a year or ten years ago) in that community starting to wonder whether being dependable Democratic votes is accomplishing anything or whether voting Republican would at least get them a seat at the table while Dems still run around in circles trying to figure out why they aren't in charge.

My point is- The vote is wide open for any candidate who is willing to step up and convincingly say "I believe action needs to be taken and I'm going to take it."  


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 04:45:05 PM EST

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I think you're right, they're up for grabs. I don't think Hillary can just call in the markers on the 90's to rack up the votes.

Edwards won't get it in a walk either, but I really agree with Ambinder. Edwards can't expect the VP nod this time. He's laying the ground work for the battle in the party. It's a discussion that we need to have to "right" our ship party-wise. Everyone else is poised, at this point, to play defense with Hillary and try to take a shot at Edwards.

Look at Bayh last week:

Bayh appeals to middle class for support
that was a pot shot at Edwards, but he's giving as good as he gets in this piece on the DLC meeting in Denver, on healthcare:

Vilsack pursues way to unify Democrats

The proposal underscores a rift redeveloping between Democrats like Vilsack, who are willing accept gradual changes in policy, and those who support wholesale change.

The debate has simmered since the 2004 election and has shown up in the early campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

During an appearance in Iowa this month, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards went after supporters of incremental health care proposals. "I'm not talking about the weasel words that politicians like to use, you know, like access to health care or affordable health care," said Edwards, who is weighing a second bid for president. "I'm talking about universal health care for every, single American."

Let's do it, we're seeing it in Lamont-Lieberman race too. That race isn't just about Iraq, it's about moderation or strength from the left. I vote for the latter since I've had enough of the former.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:32:31 PM EST
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One word for any African-American Dem who's thinking of jumping ship:

Katrina.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 12:18:33 AM EST
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How can any Democrats take a guy who served just one term in the Senate and couldn't even deliver his own state seriously -- just because he NOW talks like a neo-populist instead of the hard-core DLCer he has been all along?


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:55:44 PM EST

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Listen...I was not with Edwards in 2004 and I'm no great defender of him...but he is the best natural politician the Dems have had since Big Dog came steaming out of Arkansas.  That matters.


by howardpark on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:33:41 PM EST
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Big Dog and the DLC drove the Democratic party into the ditch it's now in. Edwards is one of them and won't drive it out.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:15:10 PM EST
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Big Dog and DLC walked down the aisle in '92. I can see how you would think that's Edwards's responsibility.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:22:08 PM EST
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Sacasm aside.....I didn't say that Edwards drove the Democratic party into the ditch. I said he of the DLC won't be the one to drive it out.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:24:48 PM EST
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We can't all be progressive from the womb.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 07:12:21 PM EST
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It's going to take more than a few populist talking points for Edwards to shed his NeoDem skin.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:18:16 PM EST
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Okay define the goal posts, what'll it take. Let's have it for posterity.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:23:08 PM EST
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Goal post? How about being a conspicuous leader on the issues of the day rather than just dropping in on Iowa occasionally to dump fresh loads of populist talking points about things that he was against (or conspicuously absent from) as a senator?


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 10:54:59 PM EST
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Near as I can tell, he's done that.  It's just that he hasn't gotten media or blog coverage.


by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 01:50:45 AM EST
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"I don't think saying "near as I can tell" is going to win anyone over to Edwards or make them forget his lousey record as a Bush collaborator.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 02:19:09 AM EST
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I'm not trying to win anyone over, but from what I gather, Edwards is and he's just not getting publicity.  Take it for whatever you want.


by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 11:37:51 AM EST
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Yeah, I think Sitkah just has a principled stand against Edwards. This reply really isn't for him.

You're exactly right on the media and Edwards, maybe this is true of all the candidates I blog at OAC and the bloggers do a weekly round-up of the news because the need is great since he gets no respect. This article was the exception, believe me.

Any state with a wage hike on the ballot or an effort to put it on, he goes there. He's even going to Montana the beginning of August, because there's lots of electoral votes for a Democrat in Montana? No, because he can rally the troops to go out a get the signatures to get the job done.

Arizona, he's been there 4 times. Another state that will be key to his electoral strategy? No, they're trying to raise the minimum wage.

He went to Honolulu for "Hotel Workers Rising" and he was in and out, he didn't tun the trip into a family vacation. That's a long way to go for four hours on the ground, but he did it for the service unions.

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by mbair on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 12:20:29 PM EST
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okay so he's not your cup of tea, but Kerry didn't deliver NC. They never even campaigned there:

FOX News Election Day Polls
NC voters went 58% to Bush, the poll states that 53% of voters would have also pulled the lever for Edwards, albeit for Senate.

His message is:
elimination of poverty
universal health care
no more predatory lenders
support for service unions as a national strategy (that only affects 50 - 65 million in the next 10 years)
min wage hike
etc.
...and he's never been a free trader, can we at least agree on that?

If he's not clean as a whistle, I don't care how he got there. As long as he can get the country there.

He's a haircut? Right, a hick from the sticks with 40 million in the bank at the top of the game in this country means that he's no haircut. Can't be - just like Clinton he earned his status.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 08:53:49 PM EST
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I've never called him a haircut -- that's what Republicans say.

I say he's a DLC NeoDem who's now talking the talk, but when he had the chance to walk the walk as a voting senator, strolled arm in arm with Bush.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:22:11 PM EST
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I think Edwards is the frontrunner but its still a little early to declare this thing over.  He is the flavor of the month but there will be other months.  The change in the calendar will backfire on somebody.  Also, the margins will matter.  If expectations rise too high for Hillary or John Edwards in Iowa somebody will do "better than expected".  Expectations matter.  Timing matters.  Speculation leads to raised expectations -- the frontrunners really got to watch out for that.


by howardpark on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:31:23 PM EST

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yeah that's always a big down side, I just love the frame. What's he doing out there? Is it really working?

Media will start ratcheting up the expectations as soon as the general is over this fall. Kos had a front-page item on the new schedule. He predicts that the pack could just forego NV, minimalizing an Edwards victory. I just can't believe the RBC rec'd NV and SC to DNC. That was a huge gift.

I think Ambinder is also correct in that Edwards is going to play out the "battle for the soul of the party," in the race. I say right on to that the discussion is long overdue.


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 08:59:58 PM EST
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Watch your mouth.  Sheesh.  I am no big Hillary fan, but that was just rude.


by juls on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 07:10:54 PM EST

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Impressed by Edwards regarding 2008. He's going about it in an intelligent fashion, building support amongst key constituencies, and looks a more serious contender than say Clark or Warner, nevermind Richardson or Bayh.

Beating HRC will be tough and I doubt even a clean sweep of the first four contests will be enough to force her from the race in Feb. The whole Iowa/New Hampshire thing, now to include Nevada and SC, has always been a bit ridiculous - it's the start of the race, not the finishing line - and I fully expect 2008 to be a year when the contest continues past Super Tuesday.


by kundalini on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 08:31:11 PM EST

Re: National Journal: Where's Edwards? (none / 0)

I hope so, I'm sick of everything being decided by February. It's too soon to start the general. I think everything should be pushed back a month. The window should open first week in March at the earliest, April would be even better. The conventions are later too, so candidates get in a bind with using money, even if they have it, between the end of the primaries until after they accept the nomination.

I think if Edwards takes three out of the first four then he gets front-runner status, but with Hillary she's not going gently into the night. She'll stick around and she'll have the money to do it.  


by mbair on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:08:39 PM EST
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Re: National Journal: Where's Edwards? (3.00 / 1)

1.  Iowa has had an outsized role in selecting nominees.  For whatever their reasons, Republicans have been more likely to let NH have a bigger say than Iowa.  That rescued Reagan in 1980, GHWB in 1988.  For some reason the exception was GWB in 2000,the Iowa choice.

2.  Money, while important, has not played a knock out role early.  Remember President Phil Gramm or President Howard Dean?

3.  Edwards campaign manner, at the least, would seem to play better in Iowa with its emphasis on nice manners than would Hillary Clinton's.

4.  Hillary may have money in her HillPAC but she hasn't been giving it out.  At the minimum, money should be flowing to NY congressional candidates who could use it (Arcuri and Massa come to mind), Paul Hodes in NH, and the Iowa candidates.  

5.  This may be totally meaningless but in all likelihood, Nevada Democrats will run three women for the US House in Shelley Berkley, Jill Derby and Tessen (?). Does this help Hillary at all?  Will she help them?

6. NH has either backed the Iowa Democratic winner (Carter 1976 and 1980, Gore 2000, Kerry 2004) or a guy from Massachussetts (Dukakis 1988, Tsongas 1992) with the single exception of Hart in 1984.  This bodes well for an Iowa winner unless Kerry becomes a major candidate.  NH did not go for Bill in 1992, why would they be inclined to go for Hillary in 2008?

7.  With the huge exception of George W. Bush in 2000, Iowa has rewarded candidates who spend a lot of time and organizational effort in the state.  Maybe GWB's organization did it for him in 2000 but he spent less dasys retail politicing than virtually everybody else.  Hillary does not seem as disposed to go that route.

8.  If money is Hillary's ace in the hole, will she commit it all?  In some ways she seems like a Teddy Kennedy Senator-for-Life but weak Presidential candidate type.

9.  Feingold is positioned to do well in Iowa.  Midwesterner.  Neighboring state (along the Mississippi).  Bayh has worked Iowa hard.

10.  Caucusses would seem to reward either people who are non-controversial or people with strong individual support.  Turnout is a lot weaker and shallow support does not get it done.


by David Kowalski on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 03:36:44 AM EST


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