Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War

Cross Posted On Dailykos

How do you know when the media is obsessed with the progressive netroots? When they report on a sub-par flame war on Dailykos:
The most prominent disgruntlement came in a "diary" written and posted Saturday by Maryscott O'Connor, who describes herself as a "contented and fulfilled ... denizen of the Daily Kos community," and is now the proprietor of My Left Wing, "a spin-off of Daily Kos."

O'Connor, who was actually the subject of a 2,181-word front-page Washington Post article about the liberal blogosphere published in April, began her July 8 diary entitled "Something is Rotten in Blogmark":

"Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself a member of DKos. This is one of those times. There is a sort of groupthink, Lord of the Flies kind of behaviour at DKos over certain issues that absolutely makes me nauseated," she wrote.

O'Connor was referring to a diary by another Kossack, Richard Silverstein, published at DKos on June 26. It openly addressed some of the issues raised by The New Republic's Jason Zengerle as well as The New York Times' David Brooks.
This is hysterical--in every sense of the word. Fox News is seriously dedicating time to a Dailykos flame war? Could they grow any more obsessed with the progressive netroots? I've been around since the very beginning, and I have seen all of the flame wars. As far as flame wars go, this ranks somewhere between the fight over no extended entries on front-page posts, and the fight over the Brown--Hackett Senate primary in Ohio. If you think this is a flame war, then your obsession with the progressive netroots is clearly new and you have really come late to the party. If our flame wars are news, why not rank them? Basically, I mean, if you really want to talk about flame wars, then why didn't touch the whole early 2003 Nader thing (#4 all time) the great 2005 pie-fight (#3 all time), the post-election kurfuffle over election fraud (#2 all time), or even the dreaded all-time flame war: SYFPH (Best. Flame. War. Ever.). But somehow the first major post-Yearly Kos flame war is news to Faux News.

How astonishingly pathetic. The whole thing reminds me of Sixteen Candles when Anthony Michael Hall (the writer of this article) somehow gets Molly Ringwald's (Dailykos) panties, and thus becomes cool among the computer geeks (the Faux News audience) for doing so. Or, perhaps, a better analogue: all those teenie boopers who thought that Nirvana's best album was their MTV Unplugged recording (what's Bleach?). Even better: people who thought that Enterprise was a really great show, but had never heard of Star Trek (I'm saying this as someone who liked Enterprise, but who thinks that Spock and Jean-Luc Picard vie for the title of "epitome of Star Trek greatness").

I'd give the writer of the article, someone from Real Clear Politics, a tip and let him know that flame wars are par for the course on Dailykos. As one of the many major conservative sites that do not allow comments, this may actually be news to him. Like any good popular kid in high school, in response to this strange obsession from an overwrought nerd, I'd like to tell him "I'm very flattered by your interest, but sorry." However, since this is Faux News, I think I can safely say on behalf of the entire progressive netroots that I'm not flattered in the slightest. Like any good music snob from High Fidelity, I can tell him that he has no idea what he is talking about, and that band / blog was way better before it become popular anyway. As user ID #123 (never trust any user ID over 10,000!) I can also tell any "outsider" that s/he really has no idea what s/he is talking about, and that the diary in question is an extremely minor incident in the history of Dailykos that will not damage the blog in the slightest. In fact, with the attention it has brought, it will probably only help it.

This obsession with trying to bring down the progressive netroots is amazing. It makes me think I gave you too much credit in my post from earlier today. Like I said above, it is also hysterical. It is incredibly funny that Fox News is reporting on a below average Dailykos flame war, as part of their desperate, last gap hopes that the progressive netroots are going under. Their next story will be about the next major user banning on MyDD, as "a sign that the progressive movement is about to collapse." But hey, whatever, show off those panties to your fellow computer geeks. You know about as much on how Dailykos works as how those losers knew about feminine undergarments. Waste your time and build our legend. That is fine with me.



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beautiful. (none / 0)

Indeed, although Matt, seriously.... everybody knows In Utero is the best Nirvana album (Bleach was very good... buuuuut...)

This is pretty freaking hilarious.

Picking up on the Star Trek analogy, it really does feel like aliens examining an alien culture with very little touchstones for what is actually happening.

Like, they are trying to apply the behavior of the blogosphere to their own preconceived societal patterns and they are just absolutely puzzled by it.

Brilliant.

-C.


by neutron on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:17:45 AM EST

Re: beautiful. (none / 0)

Chris loves to be called Matt.  That would be a way to start a flame war if Chris was inclined to play.  Unfortunately, Chris doesnt really like flame wars.


by Winston Smith on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:58:58 AM EST
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yeah that's great isn't it. (none / 0)

It really makes me wish you could edit comments, I just read this in abject horror.

it's what I get for responding to multiple tabs in the same browser.

Sorry Chris... I swear I know the difference between you two!

Without even picking you up even.

-C.


by neutron on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:51:48 AM EST
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Re: beautiful. (none / 0)

no way. bleach.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:50:20 AM EST
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Bleach is great. (none / 0)

But In Utero was the ultimate Nirvana record.

-C.


by neutron on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:52:14 AM EST
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Re: Bleach is great. (3.00 / 1)

if by "ultimate" you mean "second best" then you're absolutely right.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:59:22 AM EST
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and if... (none / 0)

by "no way, bleach" you meant "Yes, indeed... In Utero is the best!"

then YOU are absolutely right.

-C.


by neutron on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:02:22 AM EST
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Re: and if... (none / 0)

if by "right" you mean "wrong" then yes. absolutely. :)


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:36:06 AM EST
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Re: Bleach is great. (none / 0)

That would be "penultimate."


by Winston Smith on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:09:29 AM EST
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the penultimate truth. (none / 0)

that was actually my original response, before I decided my delivery was too clunky.

what a great word that is to know!
-C.


by neutron on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:19:48 PM EST
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Re: the penultimate truth. (none / 0)

that's it!  you've reveled your true wretched selves!  I'm reportin' this exchange to the Fox Freefallin' Lefties Bureau as further proof of all of your certain collective demises.  Sell me buy your mydd sitename now, quick before it's worthless.


by pookapooka on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:30:36 PM EST
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Re: beautiful. (none / 0)

even better: people who thought that enterprise was a really great show, but had never heard of star trek (i'm saying this as someone who liked enterprise, but who thinks that spock and jean-luc picard vie for the title of "epitome of star trek greatness").

even better:  people who didn't know paul mccartney had a bad before 'wings.'


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:49:34 AM EST
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Re: beautiful. (3.00 / 1)

what? The Quarrymen? :)


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:00:48 AM EST
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that would make it "your bad" skip (none / 0)

mccartney probably had any number of 'bads' before wings. nobody's perfect. and as noted two bands


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 04:28:37 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

With a uid of 2789, I can confidently declare your rankings pure BUNK.

I'm honestly astonished. Do wounds heal so quickly? How could you possibly forget the great Dean/Clark wars of 2003?

Read up on your DKos history, you whippersnapper.


by pluto101 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:29:16 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

Damn! You must have registered right before me...

[does quick check at dKos in other tab]

Ooops. 2884. Not quite as close as I thought, especially given how back then, the average time between consecutive registrations was actually measurable by human senses (these days, of course, high-speed atomic clocks used to record the decay of new mesons at CERN would be required, and the database backend uses roughly one-third of the world's CPU cycles).


by Ray Radlein on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:17:12 AM EST
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I slept in that morning (3.00 / 1)

And slipped to  UID 349

The very worst flame war on dKos ever erupted the weekend before Scoop came on line. A troll or trolls started posting malicious comments under other peoples' user names and it all spun out of control. Top shelf posters were trying to reclaim their own identities and discredit troll posts put up under their names, if Marisacat or Meteor Blades is out there they will remember what a cock up the whole deal was.

Which in large part explains why the roll-out of Scoop on dKos went so smoothly the next weekend. Everyone understood that dKos was no longer a cozy club but instead destined to be a player and that while you could still disguise yourself behind a screen name you could no longer hide behind somebody else's identity.

(I swear to God I was once drawn into a flame war whose absurdity hit the all time high with a poster calling himself "Anonymous" insisting that he was in fact the REAL "Anonymous" and that that other "Anonymous" was just an imposter. Man, talk about an irony deficient diet.)


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 04:55:28 AM EST
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Re: I slept in that morning (none / 0)


A troll or trolls started posting malicious comments under other peoples' user names and it all spun out of control. Top shelf posters were trying to reclaim their own identities and discredit troll posts put up under their names, if Marisacat or Meteor Blades is out there they will remember what a cock up the whole deal was.


I think that the real meaning of the Faux "flame war" story is not so much that the author does not know what a real flame war is as it is that he is hoping that there will be more on liberal sites and that they will wreck them.   That used to happen with regularity to liberal sites and at first I was expecting the same to happen to the DailyKos.

That it did not is due to scoop and trusted users who understand how to use it.  This odd non-story  may be a coded message to Faux types to have another go at messing up the DailyKos and other liberal sites.


by Fred in Vermont on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 06:42:38 AM EST
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Re: I slept in that morning (none / 0)

Scoop has certainly helped reduce the frequency and severity of flame wars, but they're a fact of life in any more or less egalitarian communications forum with even a handful of users ("Three can avoid flame wars if two of them are dead").

Just as important as any technical measure such as Scoop (or TUs) are mysterious tangibles such as tone, feel, community identity, and local "cultural" norms, all of which can vary wildly between different fora which appear otherwise identical from the outside. Longtime veterans of USENET (or even FIDONET), for instance, will be familiar with the curious way that some newsgroups remain primarily congenial while others erupt in constant flame wars, for no casually discernable reason. Indeed, even closely related newsgroups with largely overlapping sets of users can differ considerably from each other in the frequency, severity, duration, and proportion of flame wars.

So yeah, Scoop and TUs help, but there are a lot of other things going on there as well.


by Ray Radlein on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 08:16:07 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

Oh, yeah, that was the worst. The Dean-Clark flame wars were the primary reason for moving to Scoop, iirc. Vicious, nasty stuff.

Not looking forward to the primaries this year. I remain uncommitted.


by BriVT on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 10:07:41 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (1.00 / 1)

First they mock you. Then they try to destroy. Then, they try to mimick you. Then they join you.

We're at step 2.


by Memekiller on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:30:09 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

first they mock you.

then they try to destroy you.

then they report on your flame wars.

then you win.


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:50:22 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 2)

arguing the respective merits of Star Trek incarnations sacrifices whatever cred you might otherwise have had on what's cool or not cool.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:31:37 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 2)

hey, hey hey, hey HEY!

I have no more intelligent reponse than that.
by Chris Bowers on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:43:26 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

nor should you


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:04:54 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

A 3 for making me laugh.


by Matt in VA on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:10:58 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

arguing the respective merits of star trek incarnations sacrifices whatever cred you might otherwise have had on what's cool or not cool.

i would adamantly disagree with you, except that chris used "enterprise" as his primary premise.


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:52:22 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

it might matter to lots of people, but by no means is it cool.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:03:02 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (2.00 / 0)

thanks for adding unnecessarily to my punchline.

it makes the joke flow so much more smoothly.


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:21:37 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

Yeah. This is summertime filler in the right-wing slime machine's foraging schedule. See if you can get the rubes all riled about something they never heard of (The Daily Kos is a group of very mean leftists!) The meme gets started, the Fox/Hannity/Limbaugh axis takes it for a spin, and David Brooks is enlisted to put a middlebrow sheen on it. Not quite Ward Churchill, but it beats reruns of Cindi Sheehan's Crawford treason.


by soleri on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:33:54 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

I am the most Orange soul alive!

And let's be clear here. Fuck Faux News.

Useless scumbags is what they are with no possibility of ever understanding MSOC, what she's saying and how those of Orange will fight them until they are vanquished.

Which since O'Lielly's audience in a bunch of over 70 year old geezers should not be too long.

All Hail the Mighty Kos!


by Pericles on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:50:33 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

did kos tell you to write that?


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:52:55 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

He doesn't need to say anything.

He just beams his thoughts directly into our brains.

All power to the Orange!


by Pericles on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 09:03:44 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

I think the reason that Dkos and "liberal" blogs have been drawing so much flack from the right is simple, wedge.

Let's face it.  Fox news, right wing radio and the usual wingnut suspects are all trying to discredit netroots to drive a wedge between the activist base of the Democratic party and it's candidates.  

The right understands the threat represented by the netroots and thus if they can seperate them from "main-stream" Democrats by calling us the loony left, then they scare democrats from joining us.

The second "benefit" of attacking the netroots is they need a "vilian" scare their own base into activity.  

Their goal is to "position" Dems from grass roots support, and to try to wedge voters from voting for Democrats, the party of the "loony left."


by vmckimmey on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:01:37 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

Oh how could you forget Star Trek:DS9? The Trek with  the most geek-boy love and cred.  Flame away Voyager fans.


by bhirsh26 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:03:57 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 2)

Ben Sisko wasnt promoted to the rank of captain until he grew a goatee and shaved his head around the fourth season.  


by Winston Smith on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:30:46 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

and you wonder why Republicans win. /snark (sort of)


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:22:21 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 2)

Flame away Voyager fans.

Are you saying that there actually are Voyager fans?




(Keee-rist. All these years, and this is the comment I finally bother registering to make? Well, it's all uphill from here, I suppose)


by Ray Radlein on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:05:31 AM EST
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Voyager Fans? (3.00 / 2)

Not in my house.

Ptooie.  We shall speak of it no more.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:06:45 AM EST
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Re: Voyager Fans? (3.00 / 1)

finally, a place where someone may actually get this joke:

seven of nine sings ben folds five


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:00:31 AM EST
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Re: Voyager Fans? (none / 0)

The problem, of course, is that Captain Kirk has already done that.


by Ray Radlein on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:14:18 AM EST
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I doubt it. (3.00 / 3)

Here Jeri Ryan is just the lady that made Barak Obama a Senator.


Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:15:31 AM EST
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Re: Voyager Fans? (none / 0)

Ahhhhh, it burns.  

IT BURRNSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Make it stop.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 11:17:12 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

No, they really do exist.  I didn't believe it either until I met one in person.  He was talking some junk about good idea/ bad execution.  Then, I met another one in LA, and I came to the conclusion that they were sort of like the Republicans in LA.  There are so few of them that they are more rabid and foaming at the mouth.  I figured one of those fans might have attacked.  


by bhirsh26 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:18:02 AM EST
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Speaking of flame wars (none / 0)

When is the next straw poll with Al Gore excluded gonna run?


by Winston Smith on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:26:20 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

Speaking for myself, when I first started reading the "blogs". I was a little taken back by the rudeness and lack civility when someone disagrees with your views.  I can see if someone is brand new to the blogs how they could get that impression. Of course you develop a thicker skin with time.


by padcrasher on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:38:34 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

The diarist in question-not MSOC but the one she used as her example-was a long time user over at Dkos-a 4 digit user ID.

So, I don't buy, in his case, the "I'd no idea I'd get this kind of reaction" delicacy.

He wanted to provoke, and he did.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:05:55 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (3.00 / 1)

user ID is only sortof relevant though.  I read Dkos forever before actually registering, so my ID doesn't really reflect my awareness.

Nevertheless, you're right, he knew what he was doing.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:21:42 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

I almost registered as a member of Dkos twice.  One time in the early days when I was going to Dean meet-ups, and once in Oct 04.  I was so close, those times, but decided that there was too much noise, and everyone had already made the comments that I wanted to make, so there wasnt really a need.  So I lurked for years until I finally registered and ended up with uid like 87,000 and something.  

Well, sometime soon I can look down with dismissive disgust at the 6 digiters.  


by Winston Smith on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:51:00 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

I'm not dismissing by user ID.

I'm just not buying the innocent act from someone who's been there longer than I have by a considerable margin.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:33:44 PM EST
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Oddly there was a dKos before Scoop uid's (3.00 / 1)

There were plenty of long time commenters on dKos who ended up with high UIDs just because they didn't come around in the first week after Scoop. And a newbie could end up with a single digit UID by stumbling on the site that day and getting the timing right. An interesting exercise is to take the following URL (my diary page) and substitute low digit UIDs:
http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:349

Some of you might recognize uid:4, though he usually doesn't post under "Test"

"Test
by test [Subscribe]

Mon Oct 13, 2003 at 09:52:35 PM PDT

This is Kos testing this feature."

Jerome is number 5. Meteor Blades is number 6. Okay fine, but number 7 is n69n. An occasional poster who just happened to strike gold.

dailyKos did not appear out of nowhere in Oct 2003, there is a back history that will not necessarily be revealed by your UID.


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 05:19:16 AM EST
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UIDs 1-3 (none / 0)

UID:1 is kuro5hin meaning probably Rusty (the main author of Scoop), UID:3 is Kos's active account (http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:3 links you to a diary Kos put up at 1:11 AM today (Thurs)), but with all respect who is Grant? UID:2. He put up three solid diary entries just after the November 2004 elections and has a pretty good and uptodate website: http://grant.henninger.name/ . Seems to be a nice enough young guy with a job in Affordable Housing but we are not exactly talking the Mastermind behind Commandante Markos, He just happened to click on the link at the golden moment thereby acing out Kos on his own site.


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 09:27:54 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

well, of course your id doesn't reflect awareness...

Id: n. In Freudian theory, the division of the psyche that is totally unconscious and serves as the source of instinctual impulses and demands for immediate satisfaction of primitive needs.

:)


by jax on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 11:52:57 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

The Blogosphere wanted to be players; now you're going to have to deal with the right-wing machine just like the rest of them.


by musa on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:42:20 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

it'll be very interesting to see how the netroots as a whole reacts to being legitimately in the mix.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:51:09 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

Since when is manning an outpost a "Star Trek"?
Wow. I was actually deep in that election fraud flame war. I feel honored.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/1 1/7/143553/994
by doug r on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:03:25 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

It was a metaphorical trek asswipe.  I think I found another Voyager fan.


by Winston Smith on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:39:33 AM EST
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Re: Faux News Reports? (none / 0)

What's a "Nirvana"?

Mr. Bungle, for all the wrong reasons.

I like pie.

"That dog has really gone where no dog has gone before..." You've got to smile.

Did I mention that the Faux News Channel is just a bunch of fascist groupies?


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 06:57:31 AM EST

Thank God (none / 0)

...they have their priorities straight, eh?

JP
http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot. com


Because sometimes the best things to say are the things better left unsaid.
by jurassicpork on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 07:13:08 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

This obsession with trying to bring down the progressive netroots is amazing

Frank Rich pointed out in last Sunday's NYT that the Wall St. Journal editorial pages have been directed by Rove to discredit any media that stand in the way of the Republican effort to maintain control of Congress this Fall.  I guess it is obvious that the FOX News and David Brooks attacks on the netroots are also part of this effort, in this case because the netroots promote Democrats who actually act like Democrats.


by Bob H on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 07:17:16 AM EST

Don't forget... (3.00 / 1)

our very own classic flame-war diar(rhea)y.

http://mydd.com/story/2005/5/20/125622/0 24#commenttop

You Jerome Sockpuppet...

God Rest Gary's Soul...


Invest in nature
by NCDem on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 09:40:16 AM EST

Ohio was bigger than SYFPH (none / 0)

Fuck Ohio!

No, Fuck Delaware Dem!


Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.
by desmoinesdem on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 10:32:17 AM EST

Re: Ohio was bigger than SYFPH (none / 0)

Ohio was huge. I'm suprised more people didn't metnion it over at Dailykos.
by Chris Bowers on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:03:20 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

I find it interesting that the left hemisphere of the blogosphere seems to be getting a lot more attention from the MSM than the rightwing blogosphere does.  Whether the slant is positive or negative doesn't matter much--  they are beginning to acknowledge that we are a force.


by global yokel on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 11:34:05 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

As UID 185 I lay claim to fame as the the one who forced Instapundit to recognize that Markos was indeed the first blogger to get political convention credentials. After that great feat of blog triumphalism for the left netroots, I retired...


by Common Sense on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 11:34:53 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

This will be hilarious come November when Democrats sweep up around the country and Fox will report on how "strong" the blogosphere is and how it played a major role in the 2006 elections.

I really think we have to up the ante now by staging fights in alleys, videotaping them and then sending them in to fox with labels that say "internet flame war turns into real war!"  They would go NUTS over that.


by beeswax49 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 11:41:08 AM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

If Dems win, I'm sure the narrative will be that it was "despite us."
by Chris Bowers on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:04:29 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

People within the party will know what's up though, even if they don't say it out loud much.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:12:03 PM EST
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Nooooooo Chris, (none / 0)

if Dems win, the narrative will be that a bunch of nutty childish authoritarian flame warriors have hijacked the country, and must be opposed at all costs. You know that.


Yeah, I'm cynical.
by catastrophile on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 07:10:38 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

I'm UID 834 on DK.  I hardly ever post there anymore, so I lost my TU status somewhere along the line.  Anyway, one of the last times I posted a comment there, someone offered me $50 for my UID!


by Rumblelizard on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:33:24 PM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

That Fox News report is some of the crappiest reporting I've ever witnessed. I'm sure their readers will only get through the first few paragraphs and say, "Huh?"

Which is exactly what their reaction will be in November.


The truth about McCain
by nstrauss on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 12:39:42 PM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

Bowers, you and Kos are once again handling this thing in the exactly WRONG way that is best for Liberals.  To denigrate your Liberal critics as nothing more than "sub-par flamers" shows just how out of touch and arrogant you are.

Click the link for more.


by Mark Spittle on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:01:41 PM EST

Congratulations (1.00 / 1)

way to not get the joke or the point.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:29:51 PM EST
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Re: Congratulations (3.00 / 1)

Care to explain it to me, then? Are you saying that Bowers and Kos DO in fact understand that this is a serious issue, and not "hilarious"?

Do tell.


by Mark Spittle on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:27:08 PM EST
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Re: Congratulations (none / 0)

It can be both.

And they say liberals are humorless.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 02:41:59 PM EST
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Re: Congratulations (3.00 / 1)

First of all, I'm a Liberal. That's my gripe: that Kos and Bowers are hurting Liberals with this nonsensical arrogance of theirs.

Second, you haven't explained squat. There is nothing in Bowers' rant to indicate his post is, itself, a joke. I appreciate good imagination, but if you see Bowers as "just kidding" here, yours may be a bit overactive.

Bowers and Kos really do see this as a "sub-par flame war." At their peril, too.


by Mark Spittle on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 03:46:31 PM EST
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You do not comprehend then (none / 0)

As a participant in the originating flame war-that's what I understood was being referred to as sub-par. And believe me, it was-though he may have considered the MSOC diary part of it. I didn't bother with that once I'd established what it was referring to.

I've seen more worthy outbursts time over whether Worf's ridges had migrated from STNG to DS9 (just to keep our Star Trek theme going).

Fox News, that media giant, is so concerned about the blogosphere that it's reporting on a glorified pissing match started by a nobody-not MSOC, just to be clear, but the diarist she was using to scold us with.

That's the funny part.

Sheesh, jokes lose so much when they need to be explained.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 04:40:33 PM EST
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Re: You do not comprehend then (none / 0)

I still call bullshit. The "diarist" (Silverstein) made perfectly good points that MSOC agreed with -- as do many others. And frankly, whether or not MSOC (who you regard as somebody) or Silverstein (who you regard as nobody) wrote it originally, this issue can hardly be considered a "sub-par flame war." This is the old tactic of reducing your critic's argument to an insignificant absurdity, and hoping anyone listening will buy into it. Bush does this all the time ("Osama's no big deal") and we beat him up on it.

The Townhouse criticisms are valid. It was a HUGE mistake at this point in Kos' career, and he handed it to Fox and the others on a silver platter. The way the Kossacks have reacted has worsened it. And calling Kos' critics "nobodies" and their reasoned criticisms "flames" only makes Kos and Bowers and the rest of their defenders look like arrogant asshats more interested in protecting themselves than doing good work.

This has nothing to do with Fox news, and everything to do with how Kos handles criticism. From what we've seen of the Townhouse leaks, it's clear that Kos isn't a guy who just laughs things off as "hilarious," but instead gets pretty pissed and pulls rank to shut down stories he doesn't like.

He and Bowers can say how "hilarious" they think this is all day long, but I'm not buying it, and anyone who's paying attention isn't either.


by Mark Spittle on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 10:30:47 PM EST
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I've already seen your reaction (none / 0)

and it's clear why you miss the joke.

So, enjoy your high dudgeon, but remember to breathe. You might even try a laugh or two.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 12:28:48 AM EST
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Jay! So good to see you (none / 0)

I wondered if you were gonna show up here.

Still funny as ever, I see.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 09:05:05 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

I think Unplugged was better than Bleach. (Shrugs)


by Epitome22 on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 01:39:21 PM EST

Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

Nevermind was actually my favroite.
by Chris Bowers on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 04:04:57 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

My friend Mark and I were chatting about the substance of the "flame war" and his observations are spot on:

Kos and the big boys are outed for using a secret e-mail list ("The Townhouse") to squelch stories he doesn't like. Rather than dismantle the Townhouse and admit it's time to move onto better methods of communication, the Kossacks -- Jane Hamsher included -- circle the wagons and do anything but talk about the usage of a secret list to disseminate commands. They attack the story as a non-starter, they talk about tiny subjects within the story, they... well, they do exactly what they shouldn't.

Next, bloggers start questioning Kos on this tactic. They get attacked by Kossack faithfuls who demand the blog entries and diaries and stories get deleted. Kos doesn't intercede and tell everyone to calm down, like he should. And The Townhouse is still going on, although probably moved to a more secure e-location, so who knows what he's telling people to do?

The anti-Kos backlash gets picked up by the conservative press and Kos continues to fuck up. Rather than take this as the opportunity to stamp out the fire, he and the Inner Circle just stamp their feet around the fire. Stoller and Bowers are openly indignant, Kos is smugly brief or completely silent.

Jay
p.s. Mary SCott O'connor rocks.


by jay lassiter on Thu Jul 13, 2006 at 07:37:57 PM EST

Your argument is disputed by the evidence (3.00 / 1)

"Disseminate commands"? Please.

And, since you're so keen on disclosure, how about you and your good buddy Mark posting the entire contents of your discussion?

Because we wouldn't want anyone to get the idea that one of you was disseminating commands to the other.

Wouldn't be kosher, old bean.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 11:57:31 AM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

this blog post is  complete nonsense. You have bought into the conservative frame and or are a troll.

What exactly has Jerome or Markos done wrong (and spare me the secret email group conspircacy crap)?


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 09:32:57 PM EST
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Re: Fox News Reports on Sub-Par Dailykos Flame War (none / 0)

Three unrelated notes:

1) Everyone knows only the even-numbered Star Trek films are the good ones.

2) I was going to make a sub-par blog about your sub-par post on a sub-par report on a sub-par flame-war, but I lost my train of thought.

3) For a revealing look at why most of your readers think the way they do read: http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/07 /when_you_can_no_long.html


by bernieg1 on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 10:54:57 AM EST


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