Why is Lamont winning support among all voters?

These are the SUSA approval/disapproval ratings for Joe Lieberman from December 2005 to June 2006.

All adults
63/31
55/41
-8/+10
NET ANTI-LIEBERMAN SWING: 18

Republicans
69/24
64/34
-5/+10
NET ANTI-LIEBERMAN SWING: 15

Independents
63/31
57/41
-6/+10
NET ANTI-LIEBERMAN SWING: 16

Democrats
59/36
46/50
-11/+14
NET ANTI-LIEBERMAN SWING: 27

These numbers are rather remarkable.  While Democrats are abandoning Lieberman, with a 27 point swing against him, Republicans are abandoning Lieberman almost as quickly.  About a quarter of Democratic voters have changed their mind about Lieberman, and slightly more than one eighth of independents and Republicans have done the same.  

This trend is confirmed by Quinnipiac polling that shows Lamont gaining 25 points on Lieberman from May to June alone in a head to head matchup.

So we have to ask, why is Lamont winning support, and Joe losing it, not just among Democrats, but among all voters?

1) LIEBERMAN'S SUPPORT OF FAILED CONSERVATIVE POLICIES: Lieberman supports the war in Iraq.  But he doesn't just support it, he thinks that the situation in Iraq is good and getting better.  Other pro-war Democrats, like Murtha, Kerry, Reid, Edwards, etc, have recognized their error.  Lieberman not only won't admit error, he also thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is unprincipled at best, and unpatriotic and treacherous at worst.  The voters of Connecticut don't agree, and understand that more failed conservative policies is not principled judgment, but simply more failed conservative policies.

2) LIEBERMAN ROUTINELY INSULTS VOTERS AND THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS: Senator Lieberman's surrogates are constantly attacking voters, and Lieberman is constantly demonstrating his contempt for them.  John Droney, a Lieberman advisor, says that voters of Connecticut are 'terrorizing' Lieberman.  Senator Lieberman himself has written that we undermine the "President's credibility at our nation's peril", with the clear implication that the anti-war views of most Connecticut (and American) voters hurts our military and our country.  Lieberman's 'double-dipping', running for office as an Independent if he loses the primary, is a further insult to Democratic primary voters.

3) NED LAMONT IS AN ACCOMPLISHED ENTREPRENEUR, AND HAS GOOD JUDGMENT:  While Lieberman is a lightning rod, the fact is that voters will not drop support for an incumbent unless there is a viable alternative.  Ned Lamont is a viable and great candidate.  Lamont is an entrepreneur, a community leader, and has clear good judgment.  When I talked to him in February, he told me that he believes government needs to be more entrepreneurial, and in the broken system that we have, entrepreneurs are exactly what we need.  That's why voters who are changing their minds about Lieberman have somewhere to go.

The rest of this debate is interesting, but somewhat of a sideshow.  There's a tremendously obsessive attitude towards bloggers among establishment types, but that's a function of machine politics and the lobbyist-campaign-journalist complex than anything going on in Connecticut.  The fact is that voters on the ground are moving away from Lieberman, and towards Lamont.  Those are the facts on the ground.  



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Re: Biden and Lieberman (none / 0)

Is it true that Biden missed his scheduled campaign appearance with Lieberman in Stamford today?  And this his excuse was that he missed the train?  Anybody confirm?


by justinh on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 12:49:54 PM EST

Re: Biden and Lieberman (none / 0)

I read that too.  Atrios says that there are trains every 45 minutes, so this could be complete BS.


by juls on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:36:09 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Lieberman (none / 0)

biden's got his own problems


by bruh21 on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:22:52 PM EST
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I can't wait for this primary to be over (3.00 / 1)

So all democrats can get back to focusing on campaigns that feature a democrat challenging a republican.  If a fraction of the time, attention, and money that has been spent on this Lamont - Lieberman peeing match, was spent on the races in CT featuring a Dem trying to knock off a Repub House incumbant, I am sure at least one of those three Democrats would win easily.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 12:58:10 PM EST

Re: I can't wait for this primary to be over (3.00 / 1)

This is a Dem knocking off a Republican incumbent.


by justinh on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:52:14 PM EST
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Re: I can't wait for this primary to be over (none / 0)

Your post is a bit over the top, I really don't care to respond to that sort thing.  


by dpANDREWS on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:23:12 PM EST
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Re: I can't wait for this primary to be over (3.00 / 1)

But you did.


by justinh on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 03:26:34 PM EST
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Calling Holy Joe a Repug (none / 0)

Liberman may mostly vote like a Dem -- except on the REALLY IMPORTANT issues like war and peace -- but he sure TALKS like a Republican:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7 /10/13351/1664


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 04:00:15 PM EST
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I won't link to DailyKos (none / 0)

I was banned from commenting there after the Lieberman / Lamont debate.   I guess my support of the incumbant democrat cheesed off some folks there (my posts are still there ... I posted under the same name there).   Sad commentary on Kos really.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 09:26:34 AM EST
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Will you still support Holy Joe in the general (none / 0)

election if he loses the Democratic primary?

I honestly don't understand how any Democrat could support him after he declared he won't respect the results of the primary if he doesn't win.


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 02:11:09 PM EST
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Re: Will you still support Holy Joe in the general (none / 0)

Holy Joe?  Don't know him.

As for Joe Lieberman, no, if he loses I will not support him.   Not that I really could anyway.  I don't live in his state.  

To state my position simply:

a) I don't care for Joe Lieberan all that much, but ...
b) I don't think he has crossed a line I think he deserves to lose his seat
c) I support Lamont's challenge.   Democracy is good.
d) If it were my state I would vote my normal straight ticket, meaning I would cast my vote for the winner of the Democratic primary.  


by dpANDREWS on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 04:58:01 PM EST
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Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

You're right when you say that most of the debate is a sideshow. Most of the rhetoric is pure theatrics from "you voted 80% of the time with town Republicans" to "you can't run as a Democrat and an Independent Senator."

- BlueWaveNJ


by phillies8093 on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 12:59:15 PM EST

Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

test the language out on someone who is not on blogs- see if it flies.


by bruh21 on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:23:58 PM EST
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Tired Old Joe (but not hated) (none / 0)

Also, from my (few) contacts in CT I've picked up that Lieberman is seen as tired, out of touch and responsive mostly to entrenched interests.  Lamont has not "made the sale" yet but he is seen as new, hard working & more rooted in the state. Lamont is still being introduced.  Lieberman is still well liked among many, but the thought is that he just ought to move on, that he has had his time.  

Don't expect the above to be popular with incumbants of any party!


by howardpark on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:05:26 PM EST

If this site and others paid (3.00 / 1)

As much attention to Brown, McCaskill, and other senatorial candidates as is directed towards this primary, we may actually have a chance of winning the Senate.  

Not saying the Lamont campaign is not important.  I support him.  But the amount of attention on this race is a bit much.  


by Eric11 on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:05:53 PM EST

Attention is justified (3.00 / 1)

None of the elections you mention are happening in August. There will be plenty of time to turn our full attention to those.

Getting Holy Joe OFF the national stage as a "Democrat" giving "bipartisan" cover to the Republicans' rhetoric and policies could be crucial to winning those close races in November.

See here for more:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7 /10/13351/1664


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 04:03:50 PM EST
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Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

SUSA  actually shows Lieberman with a 46% approval among registered Democrats, not 48%.


by PhiloTBG on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:22:04 PM EST

Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

I now think that Lamont will win the primary.  It was probably 50-50 before last Monday's move, but now he has alienated Democratic voters with his contempt for the small d democratic process of listening to the will of the people.  


Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:57:48 PM EST

Lieberman is part of the problem (3.00 / 1)

  This match-up is crucial and is a defining race for the Democrats.  War hawk, conservative Lieberman is the ilk bred by the DLC and is nothing more than a republican in democrat's clothing.  
  After we win this battle, other like-minded Democrats ought to start paying attention!
When I gave food to the poor they called me a Saint. When I asked why the poor were hungry they called me a communist.- Dom Helder Camera
by kentuckydave on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:12:59 PM EST

It's all about the direction of the Dem party... (3.00 / 1)

I think it goes beyond party politics and labels. I believe that we need to move the Dem party in a progressive direction, and it's more essential to do this now in the so-called Blue states. Why? Because soon the country will have to go through a national debate whether to choose modernity and the scientific way, or more intolerant religion and conservatism.   I know most politicians and others don't like to think in these terms, but, folks, our country has a lot of conservatism in it.

So, we need to move the ball as much as we can towards socio-economic progress and safeguard our civil liberties. The more liberal states will have to become the centers and beacons of freedom, diversity, science, personal liberties, etc.

Lieberman belongs to the Dixie-crats class, unworthy of representing a progressive state.

Lamont's message should be rather simple, especially during this Democratic primary: I AM the only Democrat running. Lieberman doesn't and won't respect the verdict of the Conn Dems... as he's already planning to run as an "independent".... So, I can't see why any DEM would/should vote for him when he won't respect the DEM voters if they decide NOT to pick him!


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by Andros on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:30:59 PM EST

Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

I'm not sure I understand why you say

About a quarter of Democratic voters have changed their mind about Lieberman

I believe the correct ballpark number is one eighth.

The comment about Republican voters is off in the same way, by a factor of two.

I wish you were right -- I'm as anti-Lieberman as anyone.  I stand against anyone who is always wrong, be that person Republican or Democrat.


by xebecs on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:34:29 PM EST

Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

No, I'm correct.  I didn't say that a quarter of Democrats have swung from Lieberman to Lamont, I said a quarter of Democrats have changed their mind about Lieberman.  

These have moved from undecided to Lamont and from pro-Lieberman to undecided.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:51:47 PM EST
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Re: Why is Lamont winning support among all voters (none / 0)

I said a quarter of Democrats have changed their mind about Lieberman

I'm rooting for Lamont, but the numbers you've posted don't support your claim. The net anti-Lieberman swing is actually 9% for all adults and 12 to 13% for Democrats, presuming that many moved directly from approve to disapprove. After all, the undecideds are few in number (4%) and thus do not absorb a shift amonst a quarter of Dems.

Furthermore, Joe's disapprovals do not necessarily translate into support for Lamont.  Amongst Dems they probably do to a large extent, but I'd like to see the actual numbers for verification.


by sakitume on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 10:37:29 AM EST
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Re: Why is Lamont winning (none / 0)

"Give people a choice between a Republican and a Republican and they'll choose the Republican every time." -- Harry Truman

Give people a choice between a NeoDem and a RealDem and they'll choose the RealDem every time. -- Common Sense.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 02:36:17 PM EST

Re: Why is Lamont winning (3.00 / 1)

The dirty little secret is that this primary is MORE important than a lot of general election races in the fall when you stop and look at the POLICY implications of a Joe defeat.

You see, if Joe loses, it will change the whole dynamic of the 2008 PRESIDENTIAL candidates who will then shift their policies over to the left.  Joe losing will frighten presidential prospects into adopting OUR view.  

Thus, this primary is perhaps the most crucial election with the furthest-reaching implications of any in the country right now.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 04:43:51 PM EST

Re: Why is Lamont winning (3.00 / 2)

Primaries are more important than general elections to ordinary people because if we get rotten Democrats from the primaries, we not only stand a greater chance of losing, but not even being represented if we win.

We need not just a 50 state strategy against Republicans in the general election, but a 50 state strategy against rotten Democratic incumbents in their primaries.

Hopefully the campaign to unseat JoeMo is just the warmup game.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 10:40:11 PM EST
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Re: Why is Lamont winning (3.00 / 1)

I agree completely.  What good is winning, when we don't really win?

I, for one, do not care if Joe Lieberman is in the Senate.  I do not believe, however, that he should ever be the standard-bearer of OUR Democratic Party.  It's not a litmus test, it's simply because he does not share our general values.  And that's what a political party is all about.

Aside from that, I just can't stand the fucking guy.  And Obama is quickly becoming the same way in my mind.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 12:06:21 AM EST
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Re: Why is Lamont winning (none / 0)

Lieberman is actively disloyal on key issues.  Obama is reliable on key issues, but takes advantage of a conservative environment to advance his own brand.  He could yet become a good Senator.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 10:32:14 AM EST
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That is an absurd analysis. (none / 0)

If you click through and look at the actual results, rather then cherry picking the highest point to compare too, it's clear that leiberman had a 'peak' of support from which he came back down in January, and has since held steady.  He's not "losing" any support due to the campaign, he's just been down (well, relatively down, but still very well liked) since then.

I hope Lamont wins but this poll doesn't really show that he will.


by delmoi on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 08:55:04 PM EST


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