Net Neutrality: On to the Senate

We lost the vote in the House on net neutrality.  Now it's on to the Senate.  I want to address what I see as a bit of defeatism going on, which I find somewhat surprising.

We always knew the House was wired.  We always got that.  We always knew the fight was in the Senate.  The fact that the telcos took TWO MONTHS to get this bill through a House that the own is remarkable.  The fact that the telcos ran millions in ads and millions in lobbying, and the tech companies really did not show up until the very end, and we still delayed the bill this long is remarkable.  

Net neutrality is now a voting issue.  It has been widely reported and widely discussed.  Senators are out on the issue.

Now the key is to put pressure on Senators Harry Reid and John McCain.  Both are sympathetic, but not publicly out.  This is largely because neither thinnk that the Stevens bill has a chance of passing.  

I'm not sure if that's true, since Ted Stevens is a wily Senator who happens to sneak a lot of his pet projects into Defense Appropriations Bills without attracting a lot of notice.  

But that's where things stand.  They look a lot better than the did two months ago.



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Re: Net Neutrality: On to the Senate (3.00 / 1)

That's a relief. I think I'll go e-mail the entire Senate.


by medleysoul on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 08:38:23 PM EST

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One note on this bill - it doesn't really address Net Neutrality.  It could have - that's what the Markey amendment would have done (restored Net Neutrality principles that were stripped by a 2005 court decision).  But the underlying bill didn't diminish Net Neutrality any.  That's why the vote on the Markey amendment was the NN vote; the vote for final passage of the underlying bill is not a good gauge of NN support.  

So it seems to me the COPE bill moving to the Senate isn't the issue.  We should be focusing on trying to pass NN legislation as stand-alone bills, or as amendments to other legislation.  


by ignoreland on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 08:49:59 PM EST

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I recall that in some other media/telecom issues, the senate has been less than receptive to the 'business interests.'  Specifically, I remember a few years ago the senate rejecting some new media ownership rules.  There was a public outcry and a concerted effort to appeal to senators to protect individual rights.

An examination of that occurence might help to identify and concentrate efforts.


by lutton on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 09:49:25 PM EST

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Let's get out there and fight. It may not look like it but history is shifting to our side. The forces of liberty may be put aside temporarily but they come back. We are at the beginning of that turn of the wheel right now. If there was ever a time to act with confidence, it's now.


by Daito on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 10:13:15 PM EST

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What's the fuss?  Internet2 was built with taxpayer money to provide universities, government agencies, and international corporate members a means for handling creativity and innovation for the future.  Our Internet, the one they refer to as the "commodity Internet" is the engine for economic growth and prosperity, by making us all pay, and pay, and pay.  Just another distribution medium.

Google the words, "commodity Internet", and see who uses it, and notice how many years back it has been used.  It's obvious that when McCurry steps in front of our elected representatives, he reminds them that they need to help the "commodity Internet" evolve.


by tompoe on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 10:48:35 PM EST

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It appears 106 Democrats voted in favor of this bill.


by Seldom Seen Smith on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 03:03:50 AM EST

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The Senate can certainly vote for net neutrality, but what will we do when the conference committee pulls it out of the bill?

We will have an easier time stopping the destruction of democracy when we band together and put our money where our mouths are.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 06:57:55 AM EST

Re: Net Neutrality: On to the Senate (none / 0)

Follow on to Caro -- what if no bill passes. I'm still confused about whether net neutrality describes the current state of affairs that would be changed by COPE or whether NN would be a new policy.

If Senate passes COPE with NN provision and there's no conference agreement (which could happen given how late its getting in the calendar), is that good or bad for us?


by desmoulins on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 09:41:51 AM EST

Confusion (none / 0)

The way I understand it is that FCC ruled about 10 months ago that the common carrier status no longer applied to internet service providers, and that beginning one year from the date of the ruling, packet discrimination would be permitted.  

The reason the telcos are introducing this legislation is they want packet discrimination a matter of statute rather than a ruling by a regulatory body.  

It's not enough to stop a statute that supports the ruling. We also need to pass a statute that reverses the regulatory ruling.

Where I'm confused is how they would go about having  a conference committee iron out differences between two bills that are essentially the opposite of each other.  From the outset, my fear has been that they would pass two different bills, and then gut any net neutrality elements in conference.


by jayackroyd on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 09:52:41 AM EST
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Understanding the vote count (none / 0)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll239. xml
is the important vote, for the NN ammendment.  Pleased to say that Colorado Dems Udall, Degett and Salazar all voted for it.

The vote for the overall bill is less important.


by msobel on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:38:31 AM EST

Re: Understanding the vote count (none / 0)

This is an important distinction.  The vote on the Markey Amendment was the NN vote, not the vote on the overall bill.  MoveOn and some others are a little off on this.  I fear several Dems who voted right on NN are getting unfairly tarnished by their vote on the base bill that had little to do with NN.  


by ignoreland on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:11:18 PM EST
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Nobody understands this but geeks.


by Blutodog on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:39:37 AM EST

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Question:  why aren't companies like Microsoft, google, etc. putting big-time money into lobbying their side of the story to congress the way AT&T et al are doing?  


by ngay on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 11:22:36 AM EST

Google Innovates, Bells Lobby (none / 0)

Google, for one, is still very new to the lobbying/political game (and, actually, relatively new to the world).  They've been focused on other things (e.g., developing products) until recently and could not play with the big boys in DC, where the Bells have been high-paying masters of the game for decades. That could change, but it hasn't yet.  You might give this WaPo story on Sergey Brin's recent trip to DC.  Google innovates, the Bell's lobby.  That's what they're both good at...but neither is good at what the other does.  Hopefully this was a lesson to the tech cos that real political skills and resources may be worth developing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2006/06/06/AR2006060601723. html


by mitchipd on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 11:56:45 AM EST
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Google has lobbied hard for net neutrality, but Bill Gates has been pushing for a closed Internet for as long as I can remember.  He wants to bring us back to the days of pay-for-access bulletin boards instead of an open and free net.

Gates sees more money in restricted access than in openness.  Short sighted, I think, but then I'm not a gazillionaire.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 07:08:26 AM EST
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So Brin is worth 11 billion dollars but can only manage to do a half-assed job of lobbying for this cause?  Can they perhaps step it up a little?

And how about Microsoft?  

I guess my question comes from a very cynical place. These big players know that, ultimately, they will be able to pay the fees and negotiate the sweet deals with the telcos.  It's truly the little guys of every stripe and color who are going to get screwed.


by ngay on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 12:21:50 PM EST

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ngay, thanks for pointing this out. This is not in any way "of the people". It is a bunch of billion dollar coroporations trying to make the other guy pay.

Also, there is plenty of packet prioritization going on, it is technologicaly necessary and works to consumers' benefit.  Most of us -- and I include myself -- are over our heads on this. Check out George Ou to get an idea.

Which is another good reason that Congress should not be legislating network architecture. We need to have all technological options on the table, regardless of how you feel about one corporation or the other.


Matt
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