Post Election Thoughts

In 2004, Busby lost the CA-50 by 22.0%. Today, it looks like she will lose by around 4.5%. And that was with the NRCC spending $4.5M on the race. If Republicans want to spin losing 18 points after spending $4.5M of committee money as a good thing, go for it. After all, spin is basically why they spent so much money on this race. By blowing their wad in a solidly Republican district, they wanted to change the media narrative on the election in their favor. It will probably work, given how subservient and generally inaccurate the media tends to be when it comes to Republicans and elections. In reality, for a Republican candidate to pull 49.5% of the vote in a district with 44.5% Republican registration is shocking. Given those numbers, Bilbray probably managed all of 20% of the vote among independents.

No matter what the media says, no Democrat should be mistaken about this result. First, this is a huge, seismic shift in our favor that bodes extremely well for November. If we receive an 18% shift nationwide, we will win the House easily. If Republican candidates are pulling only 20% of the independent vote, the Indycrat realignment is still on.

At the same time, this is not as good as we could have done. The situation for Republicans is so bad right now, that even our huge leads in the generic ballot hide what Paul Rosenberg pointed out: we should be doing better. Just because we are winning does not mean we are using winning strategies. Our ten-point advantage in the generic ballot should be fifteen. The eighteen point shift we saw in CA-50 should have been twenty-five. Bilbray will win with under 50% of the vote, and there was low turnout relative to past California primaries. Clearly, there was an opportunity for us to do more.

We had some real victories tonight, and we still have time to rectify our mistakes. Fortunately, come November, even Busby will have another chance. I just hope that as a party we realize that there are clearly better strategic paths for us to take than the ones we are currently following. Tonight, as David Sirota writes, Jon Tester showed us just such a path.

I won't pretend to have all of the answers at 3:30 am. Things are going pretty well, but they could be going even better. Thanks for staying up with me, but good night for now. Don't forget to help out BlogPac and netroots candidates.

I'll see you in the early afternoon.



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Not to cry over spilt milk... (3.00 / 1)

but imagine what might have happened if Busby hadn't made the gaffe. I know we'd like to think that it was meaningless, but I don't think it was. If it helped rally support to Bilbray, then it wasn't meaningless.

All said, the most troubling vision of the night was the continued apathy across the country. Voter turnout continued to be down, and if it remains that way, our task will be tall indeed.

Oh, well--at least we got Tester the nomination!


by Rafe Noboa on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:36:27 AM EST

Re: Not to cry over spilt milk... (3.00 / 1)

The media says it was a gaffe and that she said illegals could vote. But I didn't hear her say that. I heard her say that you don't need voting papers to help the campaign and that's right! It's the "Dean scream" crap all over again.

Don't blame Busby, blame the media for THEIR distortion.


by antiHyde on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:51:39 AM EST
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Re: Not to cry over spilt milk... (3.00 / 1)

I live in CA-50, and believe that the impact of the 'gaffe' was greatly overrated. Shortly after the tape of her comments began playing on local rightwing radio, she actually went on one of their local drivetime programs to confront the issue head on. The wingnuts attempted to shread her, but she calmly explained how it was being take out of context and distorted.  I have a co-worker who lives in the district, votes Republican in every election, and 'loves' to listen to Rush Limbaugh. After hearing this exchange on the radio, she was appalled by the distortion of this issue, and told me she was so disgusted with how Bilbray and the Repubs were sliming Busby, and so impressed with her eloquent defense of a not-so-eloquent statement, that she would be voting for Busby. I have to believe that she is not alone in those sentiments.

I feel that, in mixed metaphorical terms, Bilbray's victory was nothing more than the sheep coming home to roost.


by Paul Moeller on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:33:47 AM EST
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I agree (none / 0)

"The Gaffe" was not 5% of the vote.

This was just a really hard district for any Dem to win.

The important thing is that it lays the groundwork for what is to come.

I think, though, people ignore the impact the GOP's sigh of relief may have.  These guys are deep into the "drunk on power" phase, and they're apt to read from this what they want to read from it: "We can let up."

Had CA-50 fallen, the GOP would be in full freak-out mode.

Also, many GOPers are going to claim that Bilbray won on the immigration issue.

Anything that skews the GOP platform against Hispanics is good for the Democrats, because the Hispanic population is the new swing vote.

If the Republicans want to scare America's Hispanics into being solidly Democrat, who are we to complain?


by jcjcjc on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:05:56 AM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

I know that you have lots of political 'experience' but your argument analysing the GOP mood/psyche is a waste of time.  Its akin to the 'maybe we are better off in 2008 if we lose in 2006' thinking.

Dems have to find a way to win. period.  We have to break the rethugs control of three houses in DC this coming Nov.

The moral victories mean nothing any more.


by aiko on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:40:17 AM EST
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Nothing of the sort (none / 0)

The truth is that some districts are hard as hell to win, and CA-50 is one of them.

I'm not arguing for a moral victory at all.

I'm simply making the point that these additional races don't exist in a vacuum.  Does anyone really think that the far-right isn't going to message the hell out of immigration and say, "See? It worked for Bilbray."

Every round of elections shapes the next round, because politicians tend to look at the past rather than the future that they constantly claim is so important.

Now that Bilbray's win is in the past, it will shape the GOP message.

There is nothing wrong with these sorts of losses.    1, because you need to contest every race no matter what.  2, because attacking deep on the enemy's turf is just good strategy.  3, because they force your opponent to spend resources defending solid districts.


by jcjcjc on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 01:47:54 PM EST
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Re: Not to cry over spilt milk... (none / 0)

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by koana56 on Fri Jun 09, 2006 at 04:58:15 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

4,321 votes now separate Busby from bilbray.

U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - (RUN-OFF)

Precincts: 500
Counted: 331
Percentage: 66.2%  

Vote for: 1  
BRIAN BILBRAY - REP
 44692
 49.69%

FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM
 40371
 44.89%

W. GRIFFITH - IND
 3424
 3.81%

PAUL KING - LIB
 1446
 1.61%


by illinois062006 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:40:41 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Well, If I have learned anything tonight it is that we can't just sit and play nice saying we'll do better. Busby had a good thing with ethics and she had some good stances, however she didn't have a real plan.

I am convinced now we need to have IN BULLET POINTS an agenda going into November and we might need it as soon as mid August as compared to my earlier thoughts of late Spetember.

It needs Iraq, Immigration, Social Security (can we get the R's 07 strategy done as an ad for us?), Gas Prices (not energy, make it real), and education reform.

There's our platform, now just say what we'll do differently and how if given controll.

Bush is starting to rebound, as he goes up republican congress critters will as well. We need to stop him now, I'm trying in TX-22.


by Trowaman on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:53:45 AM EST

Bullet points... (none / 0)

I agree with all this, except to say this: what do we say about immigration? Frankly, I think it's a non-issue, designed expressly to get folks in a lather, without doing something constructive.


by Rafe Noboa on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:57:01 AM EST
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Re: Bullet points... (none / 0)

I agree that si what it is, however, just b/c it is a Rove non issue it doesn't mean we can ignore it ala Kerry + Swiftboats.

I may not like it but we ahve to roll with the punches and throw some of our own.


by Trowaman on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:18:27 AM EST
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Yeah, but it works... (none / 0)

...at least in certain districts.  Looks like immigration and gay marriage will be the major GOP "issues" in November.  War?  What war?  

So are we better off meeting the phony issues head on or push on the war, gas prices, deficits, etc?  


by lonemorriscodem on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:01:50 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Busby improved but how much of that is due to Bilbray?
by piniella on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:07:57 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (3.00 / 3)

You guys are totally overreacting, in my opinion. I was afraid that this would happen.

Look, elections are not zero-sum games where after every vote the clock is set back to zero and both parties start over with clear slates. A district is comprised of partisans and independents. This district comprised of 50% Republican voters. So why does it surprise you when the Republican wins 50% of the vote? Scandal or not, this was always going to be a tough race to win - like OH-02. We needed Republicans to vote for us for us to win. We didn't get it.

But here's the thing. Independents did vote for us, and OVERWHELMINGLY SO. The national breakdown is (depending on how you calculate it): Democrat 42% Republican 38% and Independent 20%. [Some say it's 35% Dem, 33% Ind. 32% Rep]. If the partisan breakdown holds in November we will win: 58% to 42%. Which would be a NATIONAL LANDSLIDE.

That being said, like OH-02, we made MAJOR GAINS! Picking up more than 18% here, and picking up 20%+ in Ohio. There are a lot of districts out there where the Republicans hold on by SLIM MAJORITIES. And the Republicans can't be giving them all $4.5 million and outspending us 2 to 1.

Tonight was a good night. I wish we had won this race. But we didn't. We always realized that this possibility existed. But we made major gains in a VERY SAFE Republican district, by turning it COMPETITIVE.

What do you think will happen in November to the COMPETITIVE districts.

Our goal now is to look at the independent vote totals (which again, went overwhemingly for us) and calculate the seats up in November where the Democratic and Independent vote will be enough to win. Get out our vote. AND SEIZE CONTROL!

Smile. We have a lot to be happy about.


by JackBourassa on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:16:04 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

You are exactly right.  Although we came in second, it was a very strong second.


by illinois062006 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:18:06 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

4,635 votes separate busby from bilbray.

U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 50TH DISTRICT - (RUN-OFF)

Precincts: 500
Counted: 392
Percentage: 78.4%  

Vote for: 1  
BRIAN BILBRAY - REP
 50284
 49.64%

FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM
 45649
 45.06%

W. GRIFFITH - IND
 3790
 3.74%

PAUL KING - LIB
 1584
 1.56%


by illinois062006 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:16:10 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (3.00 / 1)

   

    According to the Datamar poll (pdf) taken just before the 4/11 special election the breakdown by party of registered voters is 45% Rep 30% Dem and 20.5% Ind.  The breakdown by party and the propensity of the voter to vote reliably is 54% Rep 31.5% Dem 12% Ind.  This means that come November we will see the number of Independents who vote in this election increase and if we look at the SurveyUSA poll taken just before the June 6th election we see that Busby gets 56% support of Independents while Bilbray only gets 31%. That is good news for November but there is more.

   Let's go back to Datamar and look at voters by age group.  Breakdown by age for registered voters is 18-29 15%, 30-49 41.5%, 50-59 23%, and 60+ 21%.  The breakdown for these groups in terms of voting reliability is 18-29 5.5%, 30-49 33.5%, 50-59 32%, and 60+ 29%.  Back to SurveryUSA we see Busby's support among 18-34 at 55% with Bilbray at 35%.  From age groups 35-64 Busby and Bilbray are essentially tied, however in the 64+ category Bilbray leads Busby 52% to 38%.  What does that mean?  It means that Busby will do better in November because her strongest supporters in the 18-34 category don't turn out well and will increase for the general.

   I have stated before and will state again, Busby doesn't need a win in June to win in November.  She just has to be close enough for an increase in voter turnout among her supportive demographics to be able to make the difference.


by msstaley on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:18:15 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (3.00 / 3)

We had some real victories tonight

We did?  Where?

Are you talking about Tester?  Congratulations, it appears that Democrats can win races against...other Democrats.

Can you point me to even one single victory by a Democrat over a Republican in a national or state election today?  I didn't think so.  

I see no proof that we are able to overcome the status quo, apathy, and generalized disgust at everyone of either party in our current political situation to actually defeat a Republican incumbent or challenger for a vacant seat.  All I see is "moral victory" after "moral victory"...and we should realize that a "moral victory" equals a "real-world loss."

And don't pat Busby on the back for shaving 18% off the margin since two years ago.  Two years ago, she was running against a well-entrenched incumbent riding on the coattails of a popular (for that district) President.  This time, she was running against a former lobbyist in a district where the aforementioned incumbent had been roundly disgraced.  Even the proverbial "ham sandwich" should have been able to take off at least 18%.

It appears that, as of a week ago, Busby had a 7% lead in the polls.  In that one week, there seems to have been a 12% swing toward the Republicans.  Whether it had to do with Busby's amazingly stupid "you don't need papers for voting" gaffe, an unpolled reservoir of Republican strength, or even Diebold rigging the voting machines, it still amounts to the reprise of a depressing old tune:  election day opens with poll-buoyed hopes of a Democratic pickup, and ends with progressives scratching their heads and wondering "what happened?"  Why do we think November 7th is going to be any different (especially since the law of averages dictates that public perception of Bush and his party probably won't be any worse then than it is now)?


by JDWalley on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 04:25:39 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (3.00 / 2)

 The Tester victory is real. He won, easily, against a DLC stiff who was embarrassed to be a Democrat, who had carried vastly more name recognition across the state, and who had the full support of the party establishment.

 You've got to move a few pawns and rooks before you can take out a king. We're not going to beat Republicans until we have good candidates in place to begin with -- and Tester was a huge step in that direction.

 As for Busby, yes, she made a dumb statement (which se quickly corrected), but I don't think the issue is the dumb statement itself as much as it's the massive megaphone imbalance between the respective parties. Republicans say dumb, idiotic things all the time, but the media doesn't repeat them 500 times when they do. THAT's the problem we need to fix.

 The netroots is a powerful tool to work towards solving this megaphone problem. But far too many Democrats continue to run away from us, completely missing the potential of this medium.  When the Democratic Party, as a UNIT, embraces the netroots and works WITH us instead of AGAINST us, we'll make big strides towards closing the media gap. And even with all the structural disadvantages, Busby lost by only 4 points in a beet-red Republican district.


by Master Jack on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:46:35 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Well I don't enjoy this but let me be Skunk #2 at this party. Busby's results this time around should be seen as a wake up call for Democrats - we're not getting anywhere. In 2004 a popular, former Top Gun, incumbent Duke Cunningham shellacked the relatively unknown Francine Busby in CA-50 by twenty-two percentage points. In that same election and district Bush beat Kerry, 55%-44%. The Bush/Kerry spread is more in line with what you would expect to see in an open seat election in CA-50.

Fast forward to 2006 and the former Duke Cunningham seat is at the epicenter of the Republican Culture of Corruption. No where in the country are people more aware of the scandal that is the Republican Party than in CA-50. Busby, now running with as much name recognition as her opponent and in an open seat election, polls about one and a half percentage point higher than Kerry did in 2004 (Busby now at 45.4%, Kerry then at 43.9%). To be sure, the Republican congressional candidate polled 5.5 percentage points less this time than did Bush in 2004 however he seems to have lost 3.5 of those 5.5 percentage points to an anti-immigrant rottweiller who was on the ballot.

Busby's performance was dismal.


by CMike on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 02:36:29 PM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Chris I exactly agree with your sentiments, both that Busby's result bodes well for November and that we will not maximize the victory then unless the Party does better now.  In fact, in one way I think this was the best possible result.  By the Republicans winning these close elections in their districts, it lessens their urgency to make the kind of changes they need to recover politically.  Let them keep thinking that they're "fine."  Their not fine.  They are going to get beat badly in November.

I only wish our Party was in a position to maximize the opportunity.


Andy Katz
by Andy Katz on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 05:25:40 AM EST

Residency Resolved? (none / 0)

Has the issue of Bilbrays legal residency been resolved? Or does the vote trump that?


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:00:04 AM EST

this is a runoff--right? (none / 0) (none / 0)

I feel like this is a dumb question but I thought a runoff in a multiparty field would only have been the top 2 vote getters--Bilbray and Busby.  Why are there 2 othr candidates from 2 other parties in there as they should have been in the non partisan special.  

why are they on the ballot---without them Busby could be closer.  A lot of disgusted repubs couldn't vote for a Repug but may feel better voting for a Liberal or Independent.  

So again why are they in the race at this juncture?


by debcoop on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:04:01 AM EST

Re: this is a runoff--right? (none / 0) (none / 0)

The other two candidates were a libertarian and a certified wingnut extremist. I doubt that any Democrat would have gotten many of the votes that went to them. If Busby would have gone head-to-head against Bilbray in a two person race, I don't think her % would have increased by much if any.  

Still, this was an excellent showing in an extremely Republican district.  


by Paul Moeller on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:37:59 AM EST
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Re: this is a runoff--right? (none / 0) (none / 0)

my question still stands. how do you get other candidates if this is supposed to be a two person runoff.


by debcoop on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:50:38 AM EST
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Special election runoff (none / 0)

   Under CA election law in a special election if noone gets more than 50%+1 in the primary, the highest votegetters from each party go on to the runoff. There are seven parties in CA so there could have been even more candidates than there were. (Not to be confused with a runoff in a nonpartisan race like for county supervisor or sheriff, where the top two go on)...I hope that clarifies it for you.


by Zack from the SFV on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 01:42:35 PM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

My thought is that the CA50 shows that "Netroots" is still a work in progress.

While the blogosphere can be useful as a galvanizing force for the true believers, to date, no candidate has taken office based on its influence.

Kos is not Limbaugh yet.

If I am a candidate, I am going to listen to the netroots but not stake my fortunes on what I hear.  Unions can still get more people to the polls.  And a jillion-point TV buy still trumps all.

We'll see what 2008 brings, but right now hubris would seem inappropriate.


by dgeorge on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:08:42 AM EST

DCCC looks bad in today's WaPo (3.00 / 1)

Look at these grafs from today's WaPo:

"[In IA-1] The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee had backed trial lawyer Bruce Braley against former state legislator Rick Dickinson. But with 92 percent of precincts reporting, Dickinson held a 156-vote lead.
. . .
And in California, the DCCC has been boosting Navy veteran and United Airlines pilot Steve Filson as the kind of moderate-to-conservative Democrat who can beat House Resources Committee Chairman Richard W. Pombo, a high-profile target. But in early returns, Filson was losing to Jerry McNerney, a more established face in the district's Democratic politics but a candidate who Democratic strategists on Capitol Hill fear cannot win enough votes in the conservative San Joaquin Valley."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2006/06/07/AR2006060700357. html

The DCCC should stop trying to annoint candidates in primaries and start building GOTV infrastructure that benefit every district. These candidates that the DCCC supports have no fire in the belly and that's a big loser with independents. We have a two-party system and the DCCC consistently takes the Democratic Party for granted.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:43:52 AM EST

Re: DCCC looks bad in today's WaPo (3.00 / 1)

When the DCCC defeated Cegelis, everyone told me to get over it. So maybe the DCCC should get over it and attack Republicans instead of Democrats.

It remains to be seen what happens in IL-06. My prediction is that people will prefer a real Republican to a fake me-too.


by antiHyde on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:06:58 AM EST
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Re: DCCC looks bad in today's WaPo (none / 0)

no fire in the belly? braley? hes a liberal trial lawyer.


by yomoma2424 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:28:40 AM EST
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Correction - Braley won (none / 0)

Apparently Braley eeked out the win. That last 8% must have put him ahead from the time the WaPo filed their story. From the Quad City Times:

"But while Whalen's victory was decisive, the Democrats were in a scrap to pick their nominee. With all the precincts reporting, Waterloo lawyer Bruce Braley had 10,797 votes, or 37 percent, compared with 9,937, or 34 percent, for Rick Dickinson, an economic development official from Sabula.

Bill Gluba of Davenport, a real estate agent, had 7,496 votes, or 26 percent. He also won Scott County. Denny Heath, a Clinton retiree, had 1,156 votes, or 4 percent.

With all but 20 precincts reporting, Dickinson held a narrow 56-vote lead.

Braley, too, felt confident, saying late reporting precints were close to his home base in Black Hawk County. When all the votes were in, Braley jumped to an 860-vote win, according to the Associated Press, also garnering 2 percentage points more than he needed to get past the 35 percent minimum threshhold to win the nomination outright. If that hadn't happened, a special convention would have been called."

http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006/06/ 07/news/local/doc4486427c17402247267009. txt
I still think DCCC interference in primaries is a bad idea. Listen to '04 Dem candidate Bill Gluba:

"Gluba said early today he was strongly considering an independent candidacy. He said national Democrats torpedoed his campaign."

Gluba lost 43-55 in '04. I don't think Gluba was a good candidate but that's for Iowans to decide. Instead of Iowa voters jumping off of Gluba, Gluba gets pushed. Why not let primary fights improve the candidates and come in strong for the winner?


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:15:31 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

I think I want to get a flat-top haircut.  Congratulations to a GREAT candidate who ran a great campaign in a great state.  Jon Tester is a real person and will, with our help, be a truly outstanding US Senator.  He is exactly what the Senate needs -- a progressive who actually has worked for a living with a little dirt under his fingernails.  The Montana Miricle has real Momentum.  That is good news for Montana, great news for the USA.  Jon Tester will need our help but clearly he can do it.


by howardpark on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:50:10 AM EST

DCCC looks bad in today's WaPo (none / 0)

Look at these grafs from today's WaPo:

"[In IA-1] The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee had backed trial lawyer Bruce Braley against former state legislator Rick Dickinson. But with 92 percent of precincts reporting, Dickinson held a 156-vote lead.
. . .
And in California, the DCCC has been boosting Navy veteran and United Airlines pilot Steve Filson as the kind of moderate-to-conservative Democrat who can beat House Resources Committee Chairman Richard W. Pombo, a high-profile target. But in early returns, Filson was losing to Jerry McNerney, a more established face in the district's Democratic politics but a candidate who Democratic strategists on Capitol Hill fear cannot win enough votes in the conservative San Joaquin Valley."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2006/06/07/AR2006060700357. html

The DCCC should stop trying to annoint candidates in primaries and start building GOTV infrastructure that benefit every district. These candidates that the DCCC supports have no fire in the belly and that's a big loser with independents. We have a two-party system and the DCCC consistently takes the Democratic Party for granted.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:50:13 AM EST

Re: DCCC looks bad in today's WaPo (none / 0)

Sorry for the double post.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:56:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

The people overwhelmingly want their candidates to stop messing around with issues that indirectly relate to the problem.

The real problem is that there are fascist criminals in the White House and any true debate will never take place.  It will always be stifled and spun until these bozos are in jail.  These clowns are so poor at leadership they have not done one thing right.  Everything they have done in six years is corrupted and/or disastrous.

They must be removed from office before 2008 or there will not be enough democracy left for this nation to remove them itself.  There are only three ways to remove them: death, resignation, or impeachment.  This is what the people want.  The ghost from Iran-Contra to go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, and collect hard time.

No one has volunteered yet to be a martyr, so that's out.  They are not going to resign. They are having too much fun laughing at "poor humanity".  (Thanks for your remarks after Hurricane Katrina, Barbara).  So I guess that leaves us with impeachment.  

Impeachment!
Say it! Use it!
Quote James Madison! Quote the Constitution! Don't be afraid!
The people want to hear it!
The people are ready to hear it!
Hold them accountable!  This is what's wrong!
Not one person has been held to account for six years of failure without one success.  Not one.

If Democrats want to win and win big, show some Cahonas and "Do the Right Thing", remove these people from power and show the world what they tried to do.  If we do it ourselves without the aid of other nations, we will gain respect and credibility again in the world.  If we do not and allow other nations to step in as was done to check Hitler, we will have lost more than just our respect and credibility.  We will have lost our ability to assume a leadership role among nations and our original Constitution will have failed.

Our founding fathers are screaming from the grave with their written works.


    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." ~James Madison

    "It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." ~James Madison

    "No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." ~James Madison


And how will I know Tyranny when I see it Mr Madison?

"No political truth is certainly of greater intrinsic value, or is stamped with the authority of more enlightened patrons of liberty, than that on which the objection is founded. The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."  ~James Madison: Federalist Paper #47

Democrats, the people are awake and waiting!  Do the right thing.  Impeachment.


by wolverine06 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:00:56 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Impeachment! Our useless Senators couldn't even filibuster Scalito.


by antiHyde on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:08:52 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)


Fortunately, come November, even Busby will have another chance.

Huh? Does this mean they'll do it all over again for CA-50 in November? Bilbray's only won the seat for a few months?


by dwbh on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:08:25 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Right, It was for the remainder of Cunningham's term. I wonder how much bribe money Bilbray can collect in seven months. Can he beat Cunningham's record?


by antiHyde on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:10:13 AM EST
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Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Bilbury was helped by the improved poll numbers of Arnold Schwarzenegger in that San Diego county and city.


by mleflo2 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 08:10:06 AM EST

What was the total % of GOP spent? (none / 0)

Because it seems to me that the RCCC sunk a significant chunk of its wealth into winning a race that will, of all damned things, be run again in November.


by jcjcjc on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:09:54 AM EST

Forgive me for griping (none / 0)

But I'm pretty tired of  "we should be happy we came so close."  

we are living through the most incompetent and self-evidently failed presidency in a long time, possibly u.s. history.  everything is controlled by the president's party, and they vote in lockstep.  they started a war - a war! - that was not justified and which is falling apart.  frankly, if we don't retake both the House and Senate this fall, we are pathetic.  

Forgive my language, but why are we so fucking timid?  I mean despite everything going on in this country, the GOP is pushing to repeal the Estate Tax, a tax that unarguably gets paid only by the obscenely rich and has roughly the fiscal impact of the entire social security deficit.  could your opponent toss you a bigger softball in an election year?  and yet not only aren't we trumpeting this proposal far and wide, some dems are actually proposing a "compromise."  what the fuck?  what the fuck?  could there be a worse idea than cutting the estate tax right now?  these guys peddle ice to the eskimos, and our alternative is to offer them ice water.

The last minute attacks on Busby are par for the course.  I mean how could this derail us?  It's a pathetic attack because YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A REGISTERED VOTER TO HELP A CAMPAIGN.  That is what she said.  Kids work on campaigns.  People come from other districts to volunteer.  Give me a fucking break!  We should be fighting back and calling them for their pathetic deceptive disingenuous electioneering garbage.  Instead it is like a genetic democratic impulse to backtrack, equivocate and "be reasonable."

i'm no political insider, so you can politely explain to me why i'm wrong, how i don't understand how gerrymandering and other factors make CA 50 an uphill battle, how level headed analysts think we probably won't retake the Senate or House.  i'm sorry, it seems simple to me: stop being so incredibly chickenshit and speak the truth about how outrageous and essentially evil the GOP is these days.  for those who think honest, outspoken liberalism would be an electoral disaster, i say we've tried your garbage and it sucks and now shut the hell up.


by snaktime on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:28:46 AM EST

Re: Forgive me for griping (none / 0)

I mean despite everything going on in this country, the GOP is pushing to repeal the Estate Tax,

Ooh, class warfare, we don't want any of that.....
by Taylor26 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:40:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Numbers (none / 0)

There was an 18 point swing in the district when the national generic ballot advantage is 10 points.

So the substantive question about CA-50 is: in a district with a jailed congressman, and $X million spent by the NRCC, is 8 points a big swing or a small one?  (I don't know the answer to this, but at least we should pinpoint the right question.)

NB the MSM is completely incapable of careful analysis.  So the right way to capture the effect, I think, is that "Republican have proved that they are going to be able to eke out wins in their eight safest districts in November.  That leaves 213 of their seats in trouble."  (Eight, because the Republicans spent one-eighth of their money on this one.)


by Professor Foland on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:34:55 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (3.00 / 1)

I did a swingometer (old school British analysis) on every congressional seat, using Bush's approval ratings.

I compared Bush's state-by-state Survey USA approval rating from the 2004 election and contrasted them with May 2006.  I took the net difference (every state showed a net decline for Bush) and divided the difference by half for Congress.

The swingometer is 8.2% in favor of the Democrats in California.  Busby was projected to lose 50.2-44.7, with 5.1% voting for third parties.

Busby actually did better than my analysis said she would, losing 49.5-45.3, with 5.2% voting for third parties this time around.

My projection shows a net gain of 37 seats for the Democrats (and it'll get updated monthly).  Here are all the seats projected to turn blue:

CA-26, CO-4, CO-7, CT-2, CT-4, FL-13, GA-11, IL-6, IN-2, IN-8, IN-9, IA-1, KS-2, KY-3, KY-4, LA-7, MI-11, MN-6, NE-1, NJ-5, NJ-7, NM-1, NY-26, NY-29, NC-5, NC-8, NC-11, PA-6, PA-7, PA-8, TX-2, TX-19, TX-22, TX-32, VA-2, WA-8, WV-2, WY-AL.

GOP wins LA-3.


by dpinzow on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:57:24 AM EST

All That Work And No Diary? (none / 0)

Why are you torturing us?


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:23:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Simple Boil Down POV (none / 0)

Here it is from my POV-

1./ We had a GOP congressman convicted of bribery, doing time, and a special election is borne-
2./ A lobbyist cut from the same cloth runs against a genuine candidate who would represent ALL in her district, not just the rich and/or wealthy-
3./ The genuine candidate lost

What I thought yesterday-
THE ONLY WAY folks from their party will wake up and vote is if enough GOP folks search their character together with a feeling of obligation to do right, and not vote RIGHT WING-

What I think today-
THE ONLY WAY folks from their party will wake up and vote their conscience is if their elected representative is caught red handed, with their hands in their pockets, stealing THEIR upper tier tax cut money-

Hey wait a minute, isn't the LATTER an exact framework for a campaign to build a message from??? The GOP steals taxpayers dollars, each day, everyday, and unless you want to see another conviction, or be laughed at, ridiculed, and implicated along with them...

Explain again, Mr Bowers WHY, and HOW Francine lost?


by RF on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:57:36 AM EST

Re: Simple Boil Down POV (none / 0)

It's pretty simple RF. Republicans aren't bothered by criminality and corruption. It offends us liberal types, but the reality is that the average Republican voter doesn't lose a wink of sleep over it. So we've got to stop expecting the criminality to win us Republican votes, the best we can hope for is that they end up not voting. It's never going to happen in a significant way to change the outcome of an election in a red district. The only way it works is the criminality is used to motivate the Democratic base and get them to the polls. Busby lost because voter turn out was extremely low. The reasons for that are well documented, so someone in Busby's campaign needs to take a look at why Democrats weren't significantly motivated to help send the corrupt Republicans a message. What happened to the GOTV efforts on the ground? What does Busby need to say to get the Democrats onboard to give her as close to 100% support as possible?


by Jamison on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:23:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

My Fear For November (none / 0)

I am going to disagree a little with Chris.  This was a tough seat but if we are going to have any chance in November to take over the House we need to win a few of these heavily Repub seats when the wind is at our back.  I know it gets pooh poohed in the netroots but the Repubs have done a tremendous job of gerrymandering House seats in a host of states and it is a problem.  My biggest fear in November is that we lose races like Busby and Hackett because the demographics are so stacked against us in a host of potentially winnable seats.  It is a real problem and Hackett and Busby, both of whom ran good campaigns, give a real indication of the uphill fight we are facing.


by John Mills on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 10:55:01 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

I was chatting with a GalfromCal who lived in Orange County and she reported this:


    GalfromCal: Did you all hear about EcoPark in LA county?

    Rusty~: No. What happened there, GalfromCal? And welcome!

    GalfromCal: They changed the voting precincts at the last momemts (sic)

    GalfromCal: On Monday they sent out letter notifing the voters

    GalfromCal: Mostly Hispanic voters

    06/07/2006 07:36 Rusty~: BRIAN BILBRAY - REP
    33468
    49.59%

    FRANCINE BUSBY - DEM
    30190
    44.74%

    GalfromCal: They are putting out that it is low voter turnout, but many people could not find their precincts

    GalfromCal: I am in Orange County(Orange Curtain) and I have a personal story being a Democrat

    GalfromCal: I went to the Registrar Office today to take my husband's, my daughter's and my absentee ballots, because someone had changed my daughter's registration to Republican

    keenekarl: What? How can THAT happen? Has someone been fooling with your daughter's e-mails?

    GalfromCal: no, she signed a petition, and it was then that they change her party registration


The same sorts of things that have happened in Ohio in 2004 are now starting to occur in CA.  The disenfranchisement and cheating begins.

DRE's Anyone?  Diebold machines fail early on....long enough to update with corrupted software?

How about the judge who summarily dismisses a lawsuit filed for failure to comply with election security protocols citing a Diebold talking point, "Oh there are no crooked election volunteers"?

This article on soapbox4truth pretty much clinches the election fraud perpetrated by the Republicans to steal the last few elections to further their agenda of pandering to the rich.


by wolverine06 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 11:05:45 AM EST

California-50 2006 = Wisconsin-1 1994 (none / 0)

In 1994 Their was a special election in Wisconsin-1CD to replace Democratic Congressman Les Aspin who became Secretary of Defense. The Democrat Nominee- Peter Barca narrowly won the special election race. but the Republican nominee Mark Neuman won the November General Election race

The Republican Held House Seats Democrats need to win are
1)Arizona-8
2)Colorado-7
3)Connecticut-2
4)Connecticut-4
5)Florida-22
6)Indiana-8
7)Indiana-9
8)Iowa-1
9)Kentucky-4
10)Minnesota-6
11)New Mexico-1
12)New York-24
13)North Carolina-11
14)Ohio-18
15)Pennsylvania-6
16)Texas-22
17)Washington-8


by CMBurns on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 11:52:20 AM EST

Re: California-50 2006 = Wisconsin-1 1994 (none / 0)

Slight correction - the Peter Barca election was in mid-1993 noit 1994 because Les Aspin gave up his seat to become Defense Secy in Jan 1993 but you are correct that Mark Newman came back to win the seat a little over a year later.  Who knows whether or not Busby can do the same thing.  Time will tell.


by John Mills on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 01:24:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A failure, plain and simple (none / 0)

Let's not kid ourselves... last night's loss didn't pave the way for anything, it didn't send a message, it wasn't a battle in a larger war. It was a loss. A loss in a race we could've and should've won.

Yes, the district is tough. EVERY seat in play is tough. That's life. 55% R districts are the only game in town, folks.

And yes, we were outspent 2:1. Get used to that too. Give or take $100k, that's going to be the case all year.

So what have we learned (assuming we're grown up enough to accept that this result was unacceptable)?

(1) This fuzzy "culture of corruption" pablum isn't much of a message. A (very) secondary theme, perhaps, but if running against corruption didn't energize voters HERE, where will it work?

(2) We failed to nationalize the election (read as, Make Bush The Issue) in pointed enough terms. The Rs needed to get local and make people focus on Busby. They succeeded. We failed.

(3) No matter what your consultant tells you, Bush, his character, and his war are the 800 lb. gorillas in the electoral room. This is unchanged since 2004. A failure to acknowledge this and hit it between the eyes fuels notions that Democrats lack the courage of their convictions. It matters little that corruption or gas prices test a few points better among demographic X on any given day. Bush, his war, and where you stand on them today has taken on symbolic value that surpasses anything a poll can quantify. Does that require Risk, God forbid? Yes. But "safe" campaigns get 45%.  

(4) The idea that "anger is on our side" and will fuel its own turnout has to be reconsidered. And I'm probably understating this point. Without a message that genuinely causes blood pressures to rise (see #3), angry Dems and like-minded Indys are NOT overrunning polling places.

Bottom line: The other guys are still faster, meaner and smarter. We have a couple of months to rectify it.      


by watchgeek868 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 12:25:16 PM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (2.00 / 0)

Here we go again. Woe is me,woe is me. Poor little me. You people had your hearts set on a retread winning a strongly Republican district?
Actually, 45 percent is usually the best a marginal candidate does in a "safe" district in a bad year for the party in trouble.
Good grief, this was San Deigo! Republican Republican, got it?
Just what did you expect? I hope you people don't cry too loud when the Kansas City Royals lose their 100th game, seeing you all think they were going to win the World Series this year.
by spirowasright on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 12:48:49 PM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

I am not a woe is me Dem but I think this and the Hackett race are illustrative of the tough road the Dems have in taking back the House.  There are lot more CA-50 seats than swing ones which is one of the problems the party faces.


by John Mills on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 01:26:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Are you serious John Mills, watchgeek? There are 150+ Republican held seats that are more competitive (demographically) than CA-50. There are 217 Republican-held seats more competitive (demographically) than OH-02. We lost both seats by 4%.

Gerrymandering had nothing to do with the loss. Demographics did. The reason we lost these seats was because we had a serious demographic disadvantage. Winning was always a long shot. Republicans vote for the Republicans and Democrats vote for the Democrats. Our "victory" last night was how well we did among independents AGAIN! Which is also demonstrated by polls which show us how well we do among independents.

Perspective people, perspective.


by JackBourassa on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 02:10:33 PM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Yeah, Jack, I'm serious to the tune of $2.5 million, which is roughly what our side spent. Are you arguing it was worth $2.5m to prove "how well we do among independents?" Of course not. We were in it to WIN. No cash-strapped party committee turns that kind of money loose unless they believe they can pick up the seat, period.

And regardless of how CA50 stacks up against other "competitive" districts, Busby led this race until control of the debate got away from us. No matter how tough one thinks this seat is, it was winnable. If it weren't, there was no point in spending penny #1.

While I don't know what criteria you use to dub a "demographically" competitive district as such, how much more hospitable an environment could've you have asked for here? Open seat; an up-ballot D primary to assist turnout; a recently convicted incumbent; low and thus easily skewed turnout; a wrong direction number in the 60s.

Granted, San Diego isn't the ideal spot to take your shot, but when you need as many seats as we do, you have to figure out a way to win where opportunity presents itself. Waiting for 15 open seats to materialize in more demographically favorable districts (NJ, NY, CT and PA, perhaps?) is not an option.

With all due respect, the horseshoes and hand grenades, look-on-the-bright-side stuff only prevents us from finding a better way to do business.    


by watchgeek868 on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:37:58 PM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

The sound of people whistling past the graveyard here is deafening.  So is the echo-chamber effect of true believers trying to reassure each other.

Look, Busby did a whole great wonking 3% better than Kerry did in that district in 2004.  

That is the relevant comparison.  

It's always tough to take on an incumbent (as was the case in 2004).

But this was an OPEN SEAT, folks, in which the previous GOP rep was IN JAIL for BRIBERY.  Plus Bush at 31%, yadda yadda.

And we got a miserable extra 3% over the national result for 2004.  Wooooopieeee!  

Face it; only the genuinely competitive seats are really in play this fall.  And there are only about 33 genuinely competitive House seats.

There isn't going to be any great Democratic wave in November.  The nation is not going to rise up and cast out the GOP, slapping themselves on the forehead and crying "How could we have been so blind!" and becoming MoveOn.org types in a Saul-on-the-road-to-Damascus fashion.

There's going to be some swing in our favor -- we'll take between 10 and 15 seats in the House, maybe 1-4 in the Senate, with 2-3 most likely.  Pretty standard stuff for the 'outs' in a midterm, particularly if the Prez is in his second term himself.

We may win the House; if we do, it will be by such a razor-thin margin that we'll be unable to do anything significant with it, and if we try we'll end up lying on the floor spitting teeth and wondering what hit us -- a distressingly familiar sensation for Democrats these last 40 years or so.

2008 is still a tossup, in which the maximum probability is that McCain beats Hillary.

As for those who say we should have the "courage" to run an antiwar campaign... I direct you down memory lane, to the end stages of a much bigger, much worse managed, and much more unpopular war than Iraq, in which we did exactly that.

Do the words "McGovern" and "1972" ring any bells?  As in "we win one state"?  As in "we got CRUSHED"?

Christ, that one screwed us so badly we still haven't recovered.  The period 1968-72 was when we stopped being the majority party.  Guess why?

A lot of Democrats don't realize what country they're living in.  They think America is somehow like, or could be like, Denmark or France or Italy.  Maybe from the perspective of Boston common or the People's Republic of Berkeley it looks that way.

But take a look at the county-by-county results from 2004, to get a more accurate picture.

In point of fact the USA as a country is more like Turkey or Iran.  

It's a very religious, deeply nationalistic country in which conservatives outnumber liberals by 2 to 1... a gap which demographics is increasing every year.  Polls consistently show the most trusted institutions in American life are the military, the police, and organized religion.

What's the single most accurate predicator of whether a district will vote Democratic these days?  Lack of children.

Liberals used to be able to punch above their weight because of the FDR-era Democratic coalition... but the left wing of the Democratic party willfully destroyed that coalition, and now it's paying the price.  


by smstirling on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 03:52:16 PM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

We can expect this to happen again and again. Busby's campaign while typical was perfectly designed to insure a low turnout leading to her defeat.
"I am going to clean up Washington" sounded so canned it was almost laughable and certainly led to cynicism.
But far worst than the snoozer of a campaign and something that must be addressed everywhere is this:
NO Democrat can run on right-wing issues. Busby was sending out flyers with "Repeal the Death Tax" in BOLD. The DCCC was paying for those flyers. How in the hell is the DCCC in the business of advocating repealing the estate tax. This is bottom of the barrel politics at its worst. Right there for all to see, the Democratic Party stands for nothing and will pander at a whim.
I was getting email from the DNC and MoveOn calling for me to contact my Senators to shore up support for fighting the right-wing's attempt in the Senate to repeal the estate tax and then both organizations were supporting a Democratic candidate sending out flyers with "repeal the death tax."
If we don't stop the hypocrisy, if we don't find a set of core values, poliies and principles that is the heart of the Democratic Party, we will get more of the same.
by SoCali on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 07:45:20 PM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (1.00 / 0)

"If we don't stop the hypocrisy, if we don't find a set of core values, policies and principles that is the heart of the Democratic Party, we will get more of the same."

-- we need policies and principles which most people AGREE WITH, or you're right, this will happen again and again.

We are NOT going to win with "core values" that most of the electorate despises, no matter how honest and sincere we are.

In fact, if our "core values" are unpopular, we'll do worse the more honest and sincere we are.  And that is precisely our problem.

It's not a hard bit of analysis.  We're too far left on social issues and we're (rightly) suspected of ranging from wobbly-wimpy summer-soldier types to outright Michael-Moore/Choamsky style anti-Americanism on foreign policy.

Why do you think Hillary Clinton, 50% of our most astute political team since FDR, has been repositioning herself on precisely these issues?  Because that's what we have to do to win.  Clinton #1 took the welfare and crime monkeys off our back in the 90's when he supported more police and welfare reform.  

Clinton #2 is trying to do the same with foreign policy and social issues like abortion, which has been killing us as Roe v. Wade and so forth send generation after generation of pissed-off working-class cultural conservatives into the GOP camp.

Then we can get down to real issues, like health care.

I'm personally fine with gay marriage... but something like 75%-80% of the electorate (including a lot of blacks, our most solid constituency) are very much AGAINST it.  That probably lost us Ohio in 2004.

Not to mention letting judges shove unpopular policies on the nation against its democratically-expressed will, which nearly everyone hates except those who know they'll never win electorally.

This is supposed to be the DEMOCRATIC party.  Democracy means majority rule!  Not the judicially-enforced diktat of the bien-pensant trendies!

In FDR's time and JFK's for that matter, liberalism didn't mean being the captive of fringe groups or thinking America was a menace to the world.

It meant a muscular, nationalistic foreign policy abroad (see JFK's inaugural address) and being for the little guy at home -- the steelworker, the farmer, the coal miner, the secretary and housewife.

The people who now, through our own bizzare incompetence, mostly vote for Republicans.

We haven't won the white working class in some time.  In fact, we haven't gotten 51% of the total vote in a national election since 1964! (The Republicans have done that seven times.)

And we're not doing so hot among Hispanics any more -- on the 2004 record, the GOP is now fully competitive with Latino voters.  Bush carried New Mexico (where I live) and this is a Hispanic-majority state, or close to it.

What have we got left?  Academics, liberals and blacks?  Oh, jeeze, there's a winning coalition for you!


by smstirling on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 09:30:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Our problem is not that we're not getting the message out.  Our problem is that people are not buying it.


by smstirling on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 01:17:11 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Well it wasn't an 18% shift because in 2004 Busby ran against an incumbent.  The more troubling figure is 44%. That's the Kerry % in the dist. and the vote Busby received two years later.


by jmac on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 01:53:53 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

Oh, and note that there was a right-wing challenger who got 3.7%


by smstirling on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 12:16:27 AM EST

Re: Post Election Thoughts (none / 0)

This is supposed to be the DEMOCRATIC party.  Democracy means majority rule!  Not the judicially-enforced diktat of the bien-pensant trendies!

In FDR's time and JFK's for that matter, liberalism didn't mean being the captive of fringe groups or thinking America was a menace to the world.

It meant a muscular, nationalistic foreign policy abroad (see JFK's inaugural address) and being for the little guy at home -- the steelworker, the farmer, the coal miner, the secretary and housewife.

The people who now, through our own bizzare incompetence, mostly vote for Republicans.

We haven't won the white working class in some time.  In fact, we haven't gotten 51% of the total vote in a national election since 1964! (The Republicans have done that seven times.)

And we're not doing so hot among Hispanics any more -- on the 2004 record, the GOP is now fully competitive with Latino voters.  Bush carried New Mexico (where I live) and this is a Hispanic-majority state, or close to it.

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