Where is the establishment defense of Chafee and Akaka?

Cross Posted on Dailykos

In recent weeks, many "moderates" in the political establishment have come to the defense of Joe Lieberman in his primary campaign against Ned Lamont. For starters, two weeks ago, while lamenting that in a democracy people have to be elected in order to hold elected office, Stuart Rothenberg wrote:

[T]here certainly ought to be a place in our political system for someone like Lieberman. His defeat, unlikely as it may be, would be a sad, sad chapter in American politics.
Last week, the DLC chimed in, decrying democratic primary challenges as "purges":
This phenomenon is best illustrated by the nationally driven campaign to deny re-nomination to Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), with MoveOn.org and Democracy for America (an organization founded by DNC chairman Howard Dean and now run by his brother, Jim) playing an especially active role in recruiting money and volunteers for the challenger, Ned Lamont.

We deplore this purge effort because Joe Lieberman is an outstanding and respected U.S. Senator.
The pushback against Democrats even using the legal, democratic, and American system of primary challenges has come from many other sectors as well, including The New Republic and many commenters in threads here at MyDD. The basic argument goes something like this: how dare they--how dare these left-wing activists even consider using the democratic process to try and unseat someone like Senator Lieberman! He should hold his position as long as he wants, no matter what the voters say!

Ned Lamont's campaign has generated quite a bit of press lately. In fact, Google News lists 341 hits for "Ned Lamont" in the last month. It is particularly interesting how much more interest this campaign has generated form the press than two other, arguably more serious (or at least more advanced) primary challenges against sitting U.S. Senators have generated. For example, in Rhode Island, the most "liberal" Republican of all, Lincoln Chafee is being challenged by hard-right Stephan Laffey and the extremist Club for Growth. Two recent polls (see Polling Report's subscriber section) have shown Chafee under 50%, and Laffey within single digits. However, despite the seriousness of this challenge, there have been only 39 hits in the last month on Google News for "Steven Laffey." That is only one-ninth the total for Ned Lamont, despite no poll in Connecticut showing the race particularly close. Further, in Hawaii, Ed Case is challenging arguably more progressive Daniel Akaka in the Democratic primary, and polls indicate that the race might be close (although there are real questions about those polls). However, when it comes to this race, there have been only 49 articles on Google News over the past month.

It is also interesting how the same sources that are defending Lieberman have not editorialized in favor of Chafee or Akaka. The New Republic has no commentary on the Hawaii primary, and in its two pieces on the Rhode Island primary, it does not editorialize as in favor of Chafee ala Jonathan Chait in favor of Lieberman. Stuart Rothenberg's opening piece on the primary challenges in Hawaii and Rhode Island featured no editorializing at all. I guess he wasn't as bothered by incumbents being challenged from the right as he clearly was by incumbents from the left. I can't find a single word from the DLC about either the Hawaii or Rhode Island primaries.

This is a clear double-standard. A somewhat more longshot, left-wing challenge to a sitting U.S. Senator has generated far more news and more pro-incumbent editorializing from the political and media establishment than have two very threatening, right-wing challenges to sitting U.S. Senators. I believe that this double-standard can only be interpreted as a another example of the political and media establishment developing a narrative where liberals and progressives in America are portrayed as extremists, while conservatives are portrayed as mainstream. What other rationale could there be? Why aren't groups like the Club for Growth being lambasted by the political and media establishment for running a primary challenge against Chafee? Why isn't Ed Case being accused of trying to "purge" the Democratic Party of liberals? Why is the political and media establishment coming to the defense of Joe Lieberman and not Lincoln Chafee or Daniel Akaka, even though Lieberman's situation is less perilous than either Akaka's or Chafee's?

Those in power, even Democrats in power, despise the progressive movement more than they despise the conservative movement. They hate that the new progressive movement has made itself relevant to the national political scene in any, shape or form. They seek to continue and reify the narrative in our national political discourse that progressive, but not conservatives, are extremists.

If I had to postulate a reason for this, it would be, as Matt and I wrote in our paper last year, that the new progressive movement, especially the netroots, has developed independently of existing institutions of political and media power, developing new leaders, ideas and networks. By contrast, the right-wing movement rose to prominence by connecting established institutions of conservative power to the conservative grassroots. The progressive movement has truly developed outside of the existing the political infrastructure in America, and as such is perceived as a true career threat to those who make a living within that infrastructure. This makes our threats to their power structure true threats. It is more dangerous to Washington D.C. for Ned Lamont to become a Senator than for either Ed Case or Stephen Laffey to become a Senator, because Ned Lamont would mean that new people and new institutions themselves would be gaining power. If either Ed case or Stephen Laffey become Senators, it would simply be the same cast of characters in charge: the same consultants, the same staffers, the same media personnel, the same everything. These primary challenges, while more serious to the incumbents in question at this time, are non-threatening to the established infrastructure of either media or politics. That is not the case with Ned Lamont's challenge.

The progressive movement in America had been all but annihilated from the Washington D.C. power structure. The new progressive movement, fueled by the netroots, has given it new life and new direction. Its re-emergence is a serious threat to the national political infrastructure, which is why there is clearly a double-standard being employed in the media and political coverage of these primary challenges. If people such as the DLC, the New Republic, or Stuart Rothenberg have another explanation, I'd like to hear it. Check that--I don't want to hear it--I want to see it actually take place. Until they start to defend Daniel Akaka and Lincoln Chafee with the same vigor they have defending Joe Lieberman, I do not care what explanation they give. Until that happens, their actions will speak louder than any words they might offer.

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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (3.00 / 1)

And here's the inherent flaw in the progressive resurgence.  We don't have a seat at the power-broker tables.  Because we're outside the institution, we don't have a direct means to guide the institution.  We can absolutely overcome that impediment of course, but it seems to me that the popularity at the local and state levels of Dean's 50 State Strategy and the degree to which progressivism has made such impressive strides on the ground if not in the leadership demostrates that people actually like this sort of thing and we just need to keep showing up.


by Lucas O'Connor on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 02:31:50 PM EST

Not sure if that is a flaw (3.00 / 0)

It does help the movement "keep it real," at elast for a while.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 02:46:54 PM EST
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Re: Not sure if that is a flaw (none / 0)

I agree, but at some point, if we're going to actually plan on steering the party, we have to be active within the party.  The lack of response from party leaders is obviously a constant source of frustration for many involved in this resurgence, and it's understandable.  As I said, it's something that can be overcome, and also something that perhaps it isn't yet time for, but it's a move that will most likely be necessary at some point.


by Lucas O'Connor on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 07:48:03 PM EST
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Re: Not sure if that is a flaw (3.00 / 1)

Well, we do have a sympathetic party Chair.

And we do have an increasing number of folks who are party delegates in their states. Sitting on central committees.

We definitely had an impact on the California platform this year. And were central to the creation of a progressive caucus in the California party last year... the largest caucus in the state party... and an inspiration to other state parties who are doing the same.

So, we are getting more of a voice within our party.

What we aren't doing is getting more of a voice within the media.


by Malacandra on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 08:13:45 PM EST
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Re: Not sure if that is a flaw (none / 0)

So, we are getting more of a voice within our party.

What we aren't doing is getting more of a voice within the media.

That's because the cons, following the blueprint laid out three decades ago by William Simon, set out to buy off and/or scare off the established US media.  If we'd beem able to get moneyed progressives like Barbra Streisand to bankroll radio networks fifteen years ago, we could have thwarted this buy-off in time to stop Bush from stealing the White House.


by Phoenix Woman on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 08:45:49 PM EST
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Re: Not sure if that is a flaw (none / 0)

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by chjort on Fri Dec 01, 2006 at 07:43:29 PM EST
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The Silent Revolution in CA (none / 0)

I think there is very little understanding in the netroots about the CDP Progressive Caucus or what it represents.  

Here's a great account of what happened at the most recent California Democratic Party Convention:

The 2006 California Democratic Party convention was a far cry from that in 2005. Whereas progressives were trying to get organized and recognized (as the Progressive Caucus) in 2005, in 2006 we showed that we are a real force in the CDP. The 2006 convention was a "platform convention" in which the CDP adopts its platform for the next two years and endorses candidates for the Democratic nomination for partisan offices.
Commencing several months before the convention, the CDP platform committee traveled around the state, holding hearings on what should be in the platform, and came out with a draft platform. Progressives (read the Progressive Caucus of the CDP and the progressives in various Assembly Districts around the state) read the platform and found it singularly lacking in a progressive vision. As a consequence we commenced lobbying the platform committee for changes in four areas: poverty, clean money, Iraq and single-payer health care.

We continued our lobbying efforts at the convention, packing the platform committee with supporters and experts on the various subjects. The results? The platform was enhanced in the following particulars never before seen in the CDP platform:

1. On poverty: Many changes, including support for living wage legislation and COLA's in SSI/SSP payments.

2. On public financing of elections and election reform: "California Democrats believe that a healthy democracy is based on clean elections: public financing of political campaigns at all levels of government, campaign spending limits, restoration of the fairness doctrine and a strong role for political parties." Then, as a bullet point, "Support and implement clean money legislation."

3. On single-payer health care: "California should lead the nation in providing comprehensive quality health care to all our people by transitioning to a single-payer public health care system."

4. And on Iraq, the following language: "We call upon the Bush administration and Congress to bring our troops home starting now. . . . We must turn Iraq over to the Iraqis starting immediately, end the wrongful occupation of Iraq and re-establish a commitment to the rule of international law and human rights; provide for the financial security of the Iraqi people during Iraq's transition toward self-governance; return the national territory of Iraq to the sovereign control of the people of Iraq with no permanent U.S. bases in that country; support international diplomatic efforts to assist in peaceful reconciliation among the Iraqi people; and contribute financial resources to rebuild Iraq's physical and economic infrastructure."

Perhaps equally meaningfully, this convention saw the surge of impeachment sentiment expressed, and the CDP went on record Saturday morning as follows:

"The California Democratic Party calls for the immediate investigation of the President and Vice President of the United States for committing the following alleged acts:

"Misleading Congress and the American public about an unproven and unrealized threat to national security by Iraq in order to justify war thereby violating the federal anti-conspiracy statute and the False Statement Accountability Act.

"Ordering the National Security Agency to conduct electronic surveillance of American citizens without seeking warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review as required by law.

"Violating the Federal Torture Act Title 18 United States Code, Section 113C and the UN Torture Convention and the Geneva Convention, which are U.S. law under Article VI of the U.S. Constitution.

"Ordering indefinite detention of accused persons without access to legal counsel, without charge, and without the opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, all in violation of U.S. law and the Bill of Rights.

"Sufficient questions have been raised in public discourse, in the press, and on the floor of Congress to warrant an investigation of these and other alleged crimes, misdemeanors, and acts of misfeasance and malfeasance, and to merit an investigation into the propriety of impeachment."

On the Saturday night of the convention, almost a thousand people jammed a theater in Sacramento to attend a forum on impeachment sponsored by the Progressive Caucus and several other organizations (including the Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club and East Bay for Democracy) to hear Congresswoman Maxine Waters, Assemblyman Paul Koretz, Bob Fertik, Elizabeth De La Vega and Shayana Kadidal discuss the topic of impeachment, moderated by Air America's Mike Malloy. Tim Goodrich delivered an inspiring and heartfelt opening, reminding the crowd about the devastating effects the Bush Administration has had on our country.

On Saturday the convention voted to endorse for office in the June primaries Phil Angelides for governor and Debra Bowen for Secretary of State, in each case picking the best progressive for the job. Additionally, the CDP voted to endorse Sandre Swanson for Assembly (16th AD) and Jerry McNerney for Congress (11th CD), again picking progressives for office.

All in all, it was a far better convention than 2005.

Mal Burstein is a Berkeley attorney and Democrat.


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by Matt Lockshin on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 01:36:45 PM EST
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Re: Not sure if that is a flaw (none / 0)

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by chjort on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:18:50 PM EST
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"the inherent flaw" (none / 0)

The "inherent 'flaw' in the progressive resurgence" is its opposition to the established power structure. The corporatocracy and the military industrial complex own the mass media (except for the internet) and the government. The progressive movement is and will continue to be demonized and marginalized by the media and government establishment because the progressive movement is by its very nature a challenge to this corrupt establishment. The question of why the corporate media is biased against progressives pretty much answers itself.

If we are able to preserve net neutrality, I predict that progressives will continue to gain strength and influence. But perpetual struggle against wealthy elites will be a constant condition of the movement, along with a continual attempt by the corporatocracy to buy off and co-opt/corrupt successful progressive leaders.


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by miasmo on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 10:43:30 AM EST
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Re: "the inherent flaw" (3.00 / 1)

flaw may not have been the best word, but there are drawbacks to operating outside the established mechanisms of power and governance.  It's just something that will inevitably have to be dealt with down the line.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 01:45:35 PM EST
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Marcy Winograd--Another Case In Point (3.00 / 10)

The basic argument goes something like this: how dare they--how dare these left-wing activists even consider using the democratic process to try and unseat someone like Senator Lieberman! He should hold his position as long as he wants, no matter what the voters say!

We can see a similar pattern with respect to Marcy Winograd's challenge to Jane Harman.  I have yet to see one single substantive argument for why Jane Harman should be supported, aside from repeated lies that it's a swing district.  Yet, we do hear people essentially questioning what gives us the right to support a challenger!

Or else, we're told, "Well, yes, she's not the best Democrat, maybe, but she's not the worst, either!"  Meaning, we should run a challenge against some other candidate, who would then be defended using the exact same "logic"!

In short, there is no argument against the progressive movement, other than, "We're entitled!"

Which is, of course, the essence of conservatism.


by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 02:50:59 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd--Another Case In Point (none / 0)

wihs I could give you a 4, or a 5, or somehting more than just a three for that statement.
by Chris Bowers on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 02:53:23 PM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd--Another Case In Point (3.00 / 1)


I won't support Marcy Winograd because I am simply offended by her comment about she been the only 'real democrat' in the race.            

     Whenever I hear this 'real democrat' B.S, I get the message that people like me--libertarian democrats--aren't real democrats. I agree with fellow progressives/liberals on 90% of the social issues, while agreeing with DLC economic policy with almost 50% of the time and although I disagree with a lot of economic spending agenda of the progressive, I see no harm in compromising on these issues from time to time with Bankruptcy bill been one of them. In fact, I would have preferred if my representative and senator would have voted against the Republican version of bankruptcy bill for the sake of party unity.

      However, with the rise of Howard Dean and net roots I see Democrats turning into a bunch of `angry republicans'. Frankly, I see these 'Howard Dean democrats' just like a copy of 'Pat Robertson/Bush republican'. An Intolerant group of people, who think they are on a moral crusade/jihad to wipe out any opposition within the party while considering themselves as fighting the `evil' establishment machine.


by nasir on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 11:25:59 PM EST
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Jane Harman's Words, Not Marcy's (none / 0)

Back in 1998, when she was running for governor, Jane Harman described herself as "the best Republican in the Democratic Party."

So, I guess you're offended at being reminded of that.

I wonder why.

In fact, libertarians generally seem to have a deep-seated aversion to being reminded of reality.  Back in the early 1830s, before "free market" economics had been tried on a large scale, libertarian economics had a certain theoretical appeal.  But that was befoe it was actually tried, with the appalling results chronicled by Charles Dickens.

By the 1860s, John Stuart Mill--a commonly cited "hero" of libertarians--was saying:

Individuality is the same thing with development, and...it is only the cultivation of individuality which produces, or can produce, well-developed human beings... what more can be said of any condition of human affairs, than that it brings human beings themselves nearer to the best thing they can be? or what worse can be said of any obstruction to good, than that it prevents this?
Which is, of course, an integral part of the underlying rationale of the welfare state.

As for the capacity of libertarians to engage in self-government, Mill said:

When the people are too much attached to savage independence, to be tolerant of the amount of power to which it is for their good that they should be subject, the state of society (as already observed) is not yet ripe for representative government.

Just sayin'.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 11:06:08 AM EST
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Re: Jane Harman's Words, Not Marcy's (none / 0)

Oh please, to say that Mill is a Liberterian hero is simply false. There are diverse views in the liberterian community and I have not met a single person--who has read mill-- to both like and dislike the guy . I personally find him a man struggling with his views. Mill's 'utilitarianism' views are at times--many times for that matter-- at odds with his values of self-development and individuality; his democratic loyalties conflict with his elitist dread of majority tyranny( as they should); and his allegiance to laissez-faire principles is compromised by his concessions toward the socialist currents of his day. Some of 'interesting' liberterian people would be Jefferson, Harry Browne, Lew Rockwell, Murray Rothbard and one of my favorite Robert Nozick, Henry George and John Locke etc.
by nasir on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 05:07:16 PM EST
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Locke Is The Most Anti-Libertarian Of The Bunch (none / 0)

No, wait. I take it back. Jefferson is more anti-libertarian than Locke.

I know there's a lot of diversity amongst libertarians.  What unites them is being deeply allergic to reality.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 11:28:12 PM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

The progressive movement is threating the financial elites, the conservatives are not. That's why. A direct chain of command form media owners to journalists: don't let them mess with my tax cuts and government handouts.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 04:23:20 PM EST

Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

"In fact, Google News lists 341 hits for "Ned Lamont" in the last month.... [T]here have been only 39 hits in the last month on Google News for "Steven Laffey.'"

For God's sake, doesn't anyone know about the Internet any more?  Those are 'results' not 'hits'.  Hits are what happen when you (or rather your browser) looks up a web page.  Either of those candidates are likely to have generated way more than a couple hundred hits.


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by patachon on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 04:55:23 PM EST

Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

No, what you're talking about aren't hits -- they're "accesses" or "requests", or maybe even "page views", if you're being a little more specific in your analysis.

I don't actually believe your use of "hits" is wrong, but my objection is no more ridiculous than your criticism of Chris. The point is that "hits" is a very general term that means different things in different contexts. It certainly doesn't refer only to web accesses, and there's nothing wrong with using it to refer to search engine results.


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by KCinDC on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 07:02:39 PM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

"The point is that "hits" is a very general term that means different things in different contexts."

Here's an explanation by Site Meter, the company that tracks traffic on this site: "When someone comes to your site, they generate a 'hit' for every piece of content that is sent to their computer."

Here's another explanation by About.com.

People don't have "Access" or "Request" Counters; they have "Hit Counters".  This is about as basic as it's gets.  It only means different things to people who don't know what they're talking about.  

If you can't get terminology like this right, what are the chances of doing better in murkier areas?


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by patachon on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:03 PM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

People who write search engines talk about hits when they're describing entries in a result set.

For that matter, baseball fans actually mean "hit a ball with a bat" when they talk about hits.

Get used to the flexibility of the language and lighten up.


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by Bill Rehm on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 09:21:30 PM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (3.00 / 1)

Get used to the flexibility of the language and lighten up.
So true!

The fundamental nature of language is what's known as "polysemy".  As Wikipedia says:

A polyseme is a word or phrase with multiple, related meanings.
"Hit" is an obvious example of a prolific polyseme.  But modern linguists tend to regard polysemy as virtually ubiquitous. If you can find a word with only one, narrowly-defined meaning, it is the exception, not the rule--and you probably don't know about how some people use it.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 11:21:22 AM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

A word geek! As a guy who used to read dictionaries as a kid, I gotta give you props for polysemy. Wonderful word! Never heard of it  before. Thanks.


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by Bill Rehm on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 09:48:48 PM EST
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Right. On. The. Money. (none / 0)


  Chris, this is one of the five best postings I've ever seen on a political blog, anywhere, anytime.

  I have virtually nothing to add, but I'd just like to point out how fitting it is that the William Jefferson wing of the Democratic Party (known in some circles as the DLC) has rallied to Joe Lieberman's defense.

  I remain convinced that the Dem establishment torpedoed Howard Dean in 2004 not because they were afraid he'd lose to Bush, but because they were afraid he'd beat him.


by Master Jack on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 04:58:15 PM EST

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? (none / 0)

Since when is Akaka progressive?

What the fuck are you talking about? Look at his votes. Support for the Bankruptcy Bill, support for General Hayden ... The man is NO progressive!


by Troll With the Punches on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 05:32:35 PM EST

Re: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? (none / 0)

Not a progressive? Let's see.... for starters, Akaka opposes the war in Iraq, recently drawing the support of The Council for a Livable World , while his opponent has the support of no group?
by schultzy on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 11:48:02 AM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

Akaka is a progressive when placed next to Ed Case. And just to clear Akaka's record--it was Case that supported the Bankruptcy Bill and Bush's tax cuts and voted for the war and is a blue dog dem who is completely an opportunistic politician.  

I agree Hawaii can do better than both Case and Akaka but lets not begin to entertain the delusion that Case is to the left of Akaka.


by burroughs on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 06:25:42 PM EST

Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

Case is to the left of Akaka

Maybe.  Akaka is the one who rigidly votes 100% of the time to drill in the Arctic Refuge and then to mow down the last of our big stands of ancient forests in the Tongass with clearcuts and massive networks of new logging roads.


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by ChetEdModerate on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 07:09:25 PM EST
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Any Hawaiian Congressperson would do that (none / 0)

Because the Alaskan congressional delegation (and the majority of the people of Alaska) likes it.  Hawaii and Alaska have a thing going-in matters that specifically affect either state, they vote as a block.


by Geotpf on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 01:57:54 PM EST
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Re: Any Hawaiian Congressperson would do that (none / 0)

Congressman Case votes for protecting federal lands in Alaska and elsewhere because that's what Hawai'i wants.  Alaska didn't elect him.

So your premise that "Hawaii and Alaska have a thing going" where Hawai'i's delegation votes against the people when federal lands that belong to all of us are at stake is dead wrong.  More so when Hawai'i gets a senator with a spine like Ed Case.


3.39/-3.27 * Save the Moderates
by ChetEdModerate on Wed Jun 07, 2006 at 05:43:51 PM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

right. akaka is the lesser of two evils. indeed. but my point was simply that akaka should not be called a progressive. though he has been good in the past he has drifted to the right. hawaii needs new blood. the irony here is that case is closer to lieberman.


by Troll With the Punches on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 09:10:18 PM EST
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Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee (3.00 / 2)

Where's the establishment defense of Chafee?  About 10 years ago, during the rise of the GOP in Congress, there was a lot of hand-ringing over the loss of Rep Moderates.  But the conservative wing of the party fought and won that battle.  

What we have here is an internal fight between the progressive and centrist wings of the Democratic Party.  Under Clinton, the Centrist wing was dominant.  Now, and with the rise of the netroots, the progressive wing is ascending.  As that occurs, the fight is televised.  Centrists like Lieberman, who have extentive contacts in the media, have editors to listen to their bitching.  Just like the GOP moderates in 1990-4.  

Chafee gets no respect because the common wisdom in DC is that Chafee was dead meat.  Too liberal for the GOP, too Republican for his state.  And this story has been repeated over and over again, to the point where editors believe it.

Lieberman was, 6 years ago, the Vice-Presidential nominee for the Democratic Party.  The story of being too conservative for the Democratic Party has yet to be written.  That's why Lamont is so important.  He has the power to change the way we look at the Democratic Party.  He will change the conventional wisdom.  At least, we all hope so.


by Jim Treglio on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 10:42:26 PM EST

Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee (none / 0)

Great comments. I don't know much about Hawaii, but Chafee isn't getting much support because the moderate GOP movement is essentially dead.

Thanks to the events of the last five years, the moderate Dem movement is on its last legs as well. But the media hasn't quite figured out that the DLC's following has dwindled to almost nothing. It's amazing that they get nearly as much press coverage as they do.

Personally, I have great respect for the moderate wing of the party, but I think the DLC is a bunch of underhanded sleazeballs. Listening to interviews of Bruce Reed makes my skin crawl. He's not much better than his brother Ralph.


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by nstrauss on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 02:03:10 AM EST
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Re: the "radical left" meme (none / 0)

liberals and progressives in America are portrayed as extremists The gasbags on the Right, such as O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh, have been doing this for a while. It's sad that our "centrists" are helping them out.
by piniella on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 11:18:35 PM EST

Americans like a good fight (none / 0)

By the way, where were the DLCers when the Hackett campaign was going on?

Oh, yeah.  A center-right candidate is OK.  The Netroots are super-doo when they support a center-right Dem.

At the end of the day, the left (which I only moderately support) has exposed the main weakness of the establishment: the establishment shies away from a fight.

Let's face, the same people supporting Liberman now are the exact same retards who thought Lieberman was a good idea for Veep in 2000.  

Another does of weakness, please.

Americans like a good fight.

That's why Dems have a crush on Harry Reid and are about ready to puke because of Lieberman.

At the end of the day, conservative Dems like Harry Reid belong in the party, because they may not be liberals but they do support our core values and he's up for the fight.

Conservative Dems like Joe Lieberman needs to go over to the GOP and be done with it.

A conservative Dem knows the limits.

Joe Lieberman doesn't.


by jcjcjc on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 11:43:51 PM EST

Good article, BTW (3.00 / 1)

http://www.courant.com/news/local/northe ast/hc-pbass0604.artjun04,0,7611693.colu mn

How many Connecticut Democrats remember that their senator was one of only two Democrats who voted with Republicans in 1995 to kill a lobbyist-gift ban? Or that he called affirmative action "un-American?" Or that in August 1994 he voted in favor of a proposal by Republican Jesse Helms to cut off all federal money from schools that offer counseling to suicidal gay teens by referring them to gay support groups or in any way suggesting it's OK to be gay?

The proof.


by jcjcjc on Sun Jun 04, 2006 at 11:45:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hawaii prediction (none / 0)

Unfortunately ed case can't lose.
If he wins the primary, only possible with rethuglican help, then Hawaii will be faced with a choice between 2 rethugs Ed Case and the sacrificial lamb.
If, as is more likely,he loses within the next 18months ( I'm betting 2months) he publicly leaves the D's because of " the radical left, possibly bloggers, angry left that has taken over the party has left him no alternative but to leave" then is set to run either against Abercrombie for Inouyes seat ('08 or '10 ?? I think 08) or, as I think is more likely, runs rethuglican for Gov. with term limited Gov. Lingle (R) running for Senate.
Curious if this is full of holes?
Case is more of rethug. then a d. Check his voting record. I think this is why case is not running a campaign of the record against Akaka but rather based upon claims of "energy".
Yeah wasn't that Enrons claim?
I may appear to have an opinion on this.Remember Akaka is, by virtue of serving in WW II, associated with the 442 men who changed Hawaii. He was part of that poliical cohort even though his military service was with engineers on Saipan rather then with the Combat team in Europe. A younger brother but part of the change. Hawaii feels it owes a physic debt to those men and will not turn them out. They have server Hawaii well. Sparky and Danny (Inouye) particualarly.
Many disagreements but given a choice between Danny or Ed Danny every day all day.  Remember what the choice is. And Ed Case is the best the rethuglicans have to offer in Hawaii.
D's aren't much better -"Mayor Harris"- but the sad thing about this, - and part of the thing that disturbs me when people like Webb and Clark, the most reasonable R's I've heard in a long time, desert the R's - is that the Hawaii R's have no one.
Lingle, a couple off State Sen's who are happy where they are ( Kailua for 1) and the rest are wingnuts ( or crooks which is a bipartisan activity in the Hawaii politics)  At least Case hasn't come off as wingnut except to those that listen.
Just goes to show you a one eyed person is a leader in an eyeless world. So I predict Case will try to slipstream in Lingle's wake on the rethuglican side.
by Rational on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 01:04:15 AM EST

Why are you complaining? (none / 0)

The Lieberman/Lamont race gets so many results on a news search BECAUSE IT'S BEING COVERED.  It is not simply a few crotchety pundits complaining about the run, but coverage which is often largely uncritical of Lamont.  Remember also that several sites such as Indymedia and Alternet, which basically are Lamont cheerleaders, get included the results of searches from google news.


by JPhurst on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 11:10:07 AM EST

The Akaka/Case race? It's all about Iraq. (none / 0)

It's surprising to me that folks are just now finding the Akaka/Case race, as it's truly a reverse Lieberman/Lamont race. Wanna know how to read the Akaka/Case Race?
It's all about Iraq.

Akaka opposes the war in Iraq, and wants troop withdrawl. Case follows Bush's bungling strategy on the war and wants to stay the course.

Akaka opposes torture in Guantanamo, and Case supports Rummy and Cheney's crazed "interrogations".

Akaka opposes the Patriot act. Not Case, who's yet again with Bush/Cheney/Rummy.

by schultzy on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 12:01:23 PM EST

Re: Where is the establishment defense of Chafee a (none / 0)

The "inherent 'flaw' in the progressive resurgence" is its opposition to the established power structure. The corporatocracy and the military industrial complex own the mass media (except for the internet) and the government. The progressive movement is and will continue to be demonized and marginalized by the media and government establishment because the progressive movement is by its very nature a challenge to this corrupt establishment. The question of why the corporate media is biased against progressives pretty much answers itself.

If we are able to preserve net neutrality, I predict that progressives will continue to gain strength and influence. But perpetual struggle against wealthy elites will be a constant condition of the movement, along with a continual attempt by the corporatocracy to buy off and co-opt/corrupt successful progressive leaders.

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by davidsebasy on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 11:41:23 AM EST

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