Stop Telling Me What To Write

In late September of 2004, MyDD's average daily traffic had just passed 40,000 readers a day. However, the traffic surge was new, and I was still finding it very difficult to live off the $650 in ad revenue I had pulled in for the previous month (and the couple hundred bucks I had made working as a canvasser for Grassroots Campaigns). I knew that the time was soon coming when the ad revenue would be enough for me to just blog full-time, but with no money in the bank and lots of debt, I had to take on a part-time job to help pay the bills as a stop-gap measure. Fortunately, a friend of mine at Penn hooked me up with a near minimum wage job usually occupied by undergrads. For two weeks, the job allowed me to work in front of a computer, so I could blog as I worked.

One day, as I was working at Penn, I received an email from someone working at Americans Coming Together. The person wanted to know if ACT could negotiate with me to secure a lower ad rate on MyDD. This was a progressive organization that had raised more than $125 million in order to get out the vote. As I worked a job typically reserved for teenagers in order to pay some of my bills (I couldn't pay them all back then), this incredibly well endowed organization was asking me if I could cut them a break. And you wonder why the progressive movement loses so many of its best and brightest to the private sector.

I preface this post with that story because it is probably the most gratuitous example from my personal experience that demonstrates how progressive organizations view their supporters as people to be exploited, not praised or helped. There isn't a week that goes by on MyDD where I fail to be asked several times to blog more about one issue or the other. Why aren't you blogging more about labor, election reform, the estate tax, reproductive rights, any variety of congressional campaigns, the environment, and on and on and on. You name it--I get pestered to blog about it. Always, this pestering comes form people who have never given a dime to support bloggers. Always, the requests come from people who make a lot more money than I do.

The entire progressive blogosphere operates on a budget much smaller than that of the Philadelphia Inquirer, and much, much, much less almost any major progressive 501c(3) or 501c(4). Yet, despite this, we are often asked by Democrats and progressives with real influence to help flog their latest campaign. In fact, this past week we were criticized by many for "ignoring the big issues of the day," as we defended ourselves from a wave of slimy attacks by the establishment and right-wing media. Mind you, these attacks were designed to destroy our credibility to influence anything at all, but by responding to them we were ignoring the big issues of the day. During these attacks, I have now had nearly my entire employment history aired out in public. I have had reporters calling me to probe if I have done anything illegal with BlogPac. I have had reporters demanding that I tell them exactly how the combined netroots page at ActBlue works, or else be portrayed as corrupt. I have had reporters demanding to know how the Liberal Blog Advertising Network works, or else be portrayed as corrupt. And I did not even get the brunt of the attacks. That was reserved for Markos and Jerome.

During this assault, never once, not a single damn time, did I hear a major Democrat or progressive leader stand up for the netroots in the media and say that these attacks were unwarranted (there were a couple off the record, but not on). I did, however, hear a lot of major Democrats and progressive leaders demand that I "return to the important issues." I was to stop trying to defend the netroots, and instead flog their latest campaign. Now, I have never made more than $40K in a calendar year (although I am optimistic to break that record in 2006), but instead of responding when I am accused of corruption, I am instead supposed to be a cog in the wheel of some larger progressive campaign run by people who make six figures.

The longstanding practice of progressive organizations to exploit their most dedicated workers by forcing them to live ascetic lives in order to help "the cause" is being repeated with the way many progressive organizations and campaigns are now treating the blogosphere and the netroots. We are not supposed to actually make a living helping out the progressive movement, but we are supposed to be happy eating rice and gruel as we struggle to find a way to either blog full-time, or to maintain a good blog while we hold down a full-time job. The whole thing reminds me of the Strip Mining the Grassroots series, where MyDD diarist Greg Bloom documents the crap conditions under which progressive canvassers struggle to get by. It also reminds me of why there is such a sharp divide within the progressive activist world that almost breaks down along class lines. As the lower rung ground soldiers for organizations like PIRG and the Sierra Club struggle to make a living, they watch as well-heeled insiders run campaigns that keep losing and losing and losing. Only now, through the blogosphere and the netroots, are all of those ground troops able to gather together and fight back. Of course, even now, many people in the netroots who long ago left working in politics in favor of actually making a decent living in the private sector, are still given the same treatment. Oh, you left politics and now you actually have money? Well, then give us that money to help our campaigns and be quiet. You found a way to make a living running a blog independent on our organizations? Great--now we'll tell you what to write on that blog so that it helps our campaigns.

This is made all the more annoying by how it replicates another dysfunctional aspect of the progressive movement: the endless meta-discussions about things we should be discussing more, and about why we aren't discussing those things more. It is one thing to have those discussions about electoral fraud. From what I can tell, the entire point of the discussion about electoral fraud seems to be to talk about why we aren't talking about election fraud more, and about who is keeping us from talking about it more. After a few years, I have come to accept the permanent meta-element of the election fraud discussion. However, when it comes to pretty much every other "issue," talk about why we aren't talking about x is time we could have actually spent talking about x. For some reason, as progressives we don't just need to talk about x, we need to talk about why people who do talk about x are somehow being ignored / persecuted by the rest of the progressive movement which is putting baby x in a corner. We must be persecuted, or else we are not real progressive activists, or something.

Over the past few years, the progressive blogosphere and netroots has emerged as a new force within the progressive movement. In fact, the progressive netroots and blogosphere have been the most energetic force behind the revival of the progressive movement in America. Democrats and progressives have witnessed our people-powered and do-it-yourself ability to actually get things done: to create buzz, to raise money, to recruit candidates, and to assist on successful campaigns such as Social Security in 2005. One of the reasons we have been able to become so successful so quickly is because we haven't wasted our time talking about why we aren't talking something. Another reason we have been able to get things done is because every blog that has been successful has been specifically tailored to focus on, and serve as an expert on, a narrow range of topics. There isn't a single major blogger who comments on all issues all the time. We work on, and focus on, what we know best.

During it all, we have found ways to talk to one another, such as the Townhouse list. During it all, we have found ways to make money for each other, such as the Liberal Blog Advertising Network. We have done this to maintain our energy and increase our effectiveness. We have done so with our best attempts to be open and fair. We have done all of this in an attempt to stop replicating the same mistakes the progressive movement has been making for decades: exploiting its hardest workers, and not talking to one another (except only when to talk about why people aren't talking more about what they should be talking about). But now, as our success is starting to show, many progressives want to get back to the business of exploiting us and telling us what to write, as they have done to their ground troops for decades.

So, here are my ranting proclamations to the rest of the progressive movement:
  • Stop telling me what to write about. I know what I am doing. I know what topics it is best for MyDD to focus on. I know how what I write influences others. MyDD's traffic hasn't increased by 2000% under my watch, primarily to a very influential audience, because I was somehow ignoring your issue or not helping your campaign. The same goes for every other successful progressive blogger.

  • If you think that people are not talking enough about your issue or campaign, don't whine about it and start an endless meta-cycle on how more people should be talking about it. Instead, spend that time actually talking about it. Move forward. Don't waste people's time with your persecution complex. If you provide good information, I might be able to join your campaign on that topic. But stop trying to guilt me into action you are not taking yourself. For example, if you are a candidate who does not want to do call time, don't expect the blogs to pick up the slack when your fundraising sucks.

  • Stop thinking that the best way for progressive activists to help the progressive movement is for those activists to live in poverty. You can't do your best work when you struggle to pay your bills. When it comes to blogging, you can't do your best work on a dial-up modem in a studio apartment, a ten-year-old computer chair and a five-year-old cell phone. If you want to keep the best and most effective progressive activists in the field of activism rather than the private sector, don't tell them they need to live like monks.

  • Stop telling us to stop defending ourselves. Virtually no one in the progressive movement is out there defending us, yet somehow we have still managed to develop a generally positive image in the media, and to remain effective in producing positive political outcomes. Unless you want to see the netroots shrivel up and stop being effective, don't tell us to stop fighting back when we are attacked.

  • Find some way to support bloggers, or stop asking us to support you. I have been working on the problem of getting more money to bloggers for over a year now. The biggest obstacle I see to it is that progressive donors and progressive organizations are worried that if they fund bloggers, bloggers will eventually say something "crazy," and the organizations and donors in question will end up looking bad. Fine. If that is their rationale, I can live with that. However, don't then go and tell bloggers that they should stop criticizing Democrats and progressive orgs whenever Dems and progressive orgs do something stupid. If you think we are useful, but generally too unstable to deserve regular funding, don't expect us to be quiet when Democrats and progressive organizations do things that make us mad. Don't think you can keep us in relative poverty because you don't like some of the things we say, but also think that we should shut up when we don't like what you say or do.
So there. Stop whining about the posts I make on MyDD, and why you are not included in those posts. We all built the progressive blogosphere basically from scratch, and the last thing we need are well-endowed orgs and staffers complaining that we didn't do a better job. Until the old progressive movement stops sucking, and until it treats the netroots likes it actually gives a damn about the people in the netroots, don't tell us what to do. Get back to work instead, and let us know when you have something that is really worth our time.

(And for what it is worth, it has been thinking about this topic that has made me irritated and aggressive all day.)

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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 18)

Stop telling me what to write.  Kos already tells me what to write.


by Matt Stoller on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:07:00 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

I really did laugh out loud when I read this.


by Alice Marshall on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:34:55 PM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 2)

Also, how come you don't write more about not writing enough about meta-blog conversations?


by Matt Stoller on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:08:32 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

#1. isn't the point of people having diaries that they can write about things they find important that aren't already being covered?

#2. i'll send MyDD or BlogPac-you call it- $10* if you promise to write about the things you care about and ignore the rest. :)

#3. i'll send MyDD or BlogPac another $20* if you promise not to start meta-cycle whining at an undisclosed time in the future.

(*sorry it ain't more, i also currently make quite less than 40k. isn't advanced education fun?)


by jax on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:21:03 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

Very vocal (but imho, small) class of people who insist that diaries aren't good enough, that issue x has to be addressed on the main page of DailyKos - and not via promoted diary, and not by a contributing editor, but by Markos himself, every day for 6 months.

In an ironically perverse way, the diaries enable this segment of the population to whine even more.


by DavidNYC on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:30:37 AM EST
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so how do i give you some money? (3.00 / 1)

i swear i never asked you to write or not write about anything, and i swaer i'll never do so.  now relent and tell me how i can give you some damn money!


by miriamsong on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:23:39 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

From what I can tell, the entire point of the discussion about electoral fraud seems to be to talk about why we aren't talking about election fraud more, and about who is keeping us from talking about it more.

I applaud every word of this except for this part. I don't know about other states, but the gentleman who  runs Virginia Verified Voting also serves on the local Democratic committee, runs an outstanding precinct operation in addition to his full time job and taking care of his family. The people who care about this do much more than talk.

I also think the press has done a better job than lefty blogosphere, reporters like Kim Zetter of Wired, Rachel Konrad of AP and Michael Hardy of Federal Computer Week have all done outstanding work, you should take a look at it.

But you are correct, the silence of Democrats and progressive leadership has been thunderous.

No one in lefty blogosphere has ever said anything remotely as insane as Ann Coulter or Karl Rove for that matter, and you don't see Republicans moving away from them.


by Alice Marshall on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:33:14 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

I also think the press has done a better job than lefty blogosphere, reporters like Kim Zetter of Wired, Rachel Konrad of AP and Michael Hardy of Federal Computer Week have all done outstanding work, you should take a look at it.

Hear, hear!

I do volunteer work for the Coaltion for Voting Integrity, which is a Bucks County group dedicated to getting state and federal legislation passed to mandate voter-verified paper pallot and proper audits.  Everyone in the group has a family to take care of and other jobs to do.  I volunteer for a local candidate's campaign in my spare time.

We don't want the conversation to be about why we don't talk about the disappearance of our democracy.  We want the conversation to be about the fact that it's happening every day and that it would be a good idea to stop the process now.  


by eRobin on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:42:51 PM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Velvet Revolution
6/16/06
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/

The BRAD BLOG reports that the Diebold machines used in the Busby-Bilbray congressional race to replace the corrupt Duke Cunningham are not in compliance with state or federal law. Sending them home with poll workers overnight immediately decertified them for use in the election by both state and federal law. This is another reason that Americans must demand the results are verified! Please sign  our petition demanding a 100% hand count of the paper ballots and paper trails from that election.

Why is this issue important for a liberal blog? My Perspective: You know my agenda. I say cooperate with the real conservatives, who I do not agree with, to deal with the neocon. Do not rest until every last neocon has been removed. No exceptions.

The nocon are the ones who love computer voting. Most liberals and conservatives are appalled by it. We do not seem to have much in common with the conservatives, but this is an exception. The conservatives are certainly doing their part to end computer voting, and it would be very mistaken, in fact just wrong, if we were to fail to hold up our end on this issue. The neocon and their infernal machines must be eliminated.

Yoda, the ancient and revered Jedi Master: "If democracy you would keep, the Empire you must destroy."


by blues on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 10:42:19 PM EST
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Thank you (3.00 / 1)

Well, as just an ordinary reader and infrequent commenter, let me just remind you that there are plenty of readers that appreciate your hard work.  
We wouldn't be visiting otherwise.  

Let's hope you smash your yearly income record!


by John DE on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:37:01 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

    Having been a musician all my life, I've found my fellow progressives don't like paying cover charges, copy my CD's and give them to friends, and generally want a whole lot for very little.  At the same time, when there's a fundraiser for a cause, I'm always asked to play.  Once after I had received a $13.23 check from ASCAP, I went on Napster to see a song I had written with over 200 hits.  My daughter, the electronic musician, told me I was old fashioned, and didn't understand how things worked in these modern times.  Maybe you're having the same problem.  I'll ask my daughter.  

By the way, as long as you're taking suggestions, perhaps a little more on the problems facing rural America and uh...guitar players.

   


by EastKY on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:39:45 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Chris, I truely empathize with your post. Ann Coulter gets Richard Melon Scaithe buying warehouses of books so she can get a best seller rating albeit with daggers!  Why are talents like you on the blogosphere not getting big George Soros and other progressive deep pockets supporting your existence.  This is needed to prevent the liberal brain drain to the private sector and keep pace with the right who nurture rather than cannibalize their own!


by politics64 on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:50:10 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

Let's not let organized money spoil this.
Everything has it's price and once you are financially beholding, you've sold your soul.
by judyo on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:15:23 PM EST
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Advertising is Evil? (3.00 / 2)

Bullshit. It's called getting paid for your time and expertise. And that's what Chris is talking about.

You've just said....'Oh my gawd, don't let real advertising in here or you'll be co-opted by them and become their lackey...you'll loose independence and be forced to write on their topics!'

Sorry in essence that's what you said. Chris can't live well on 40K although there might be somewhere in the country where a person can. He can't. Yet people constantly ask for permission to underpay him.

When another poster talks about his work being ripped of in violation of his copyright and circulated by progessives....it's a symptom of a larger problem I learned long ago.

Don't ask a progessive audience to pay for anything. It's all supposed to be free in the name of the 'cause'. Whether it's cheaper ads on MyDD or CD's by an artist or a teleconference...few if any are willing to spring for the cash that any other audience of supposedly motivated people, on a particular professional topic, would take for granted to gain access to the time and expertise of those people offering the time, expertise and, in this case, exposure (frequency and reach).

Sorry if this sounds harsh.

But making a good living doesn't mean you've sold out. This is a huge topic. And this tiny reply can't begin to address the real issue of the Blogs having developed this attitude that anyone who gets paid for something is automatically suspect.

And that's idiotic. People get paid for their experience. They get paid for the mistakes they've already made so they can show other how not to make them. They know a certain path and get paid to shine a light.

I admire Chris Bowers and the enormous price he's paid to get to this day. Thank you Chris.

Personally I think, knowing your prices, you should raise them for the balance of the electoral season. TV, Radio and Newpapers do...why not you?


just a red meat eatin' Democratic Dawg frontpaging at The Democratic Daily...
by BigDog on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 10:55:58 PM EST
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Re: Advertising is Evil? (none / 0)

This is a complex problem, and, with all due respect, it will not disappear merely by the issuance of some declarations of principles. After all, there are underlying realities. Maybe more than a year ago, I tentatively suggested, noting possible constraints on my suggestions, that people working for campaigns should not manage blogs. It looks like tat is not going to be the wave of the future. However, there still must be restraints of some kind.

Here is a new suggestion. Let paid campaign workers, and those who control the ads, who should still make their paid work well known, continue to have privileges to publish their "front page" stuff and have the ability to run most things on the blog, except for the  management of the "back page" bloggers. It has been demonstrated time and again that social networking turns into a nightmare if you just let the back pagers prey upon each other. It is now commonly known that technical blogs such as digg, and slashdot are virtual killing fields. So without some labor on the part of blog proprietors to protect the desirable back pagers, social networks become overrun with stealth trolls. This is becoming very well established. In this sensitive task, we would want people who have no conscious or unconscious biases, so maybe this function should be done by core proprietors who do not do paid campaign work. I would suggest building this right into the software.

I realize that these blogs are ultimately owned by people who can do whatever they like. But there do need to be ethical standards. Of course, this suggestion could be as wrong as some of my other notions.


by blues on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 06:37:01 AM EST
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Re: Advertising is Evil? (none / 0)

Most of what you write about I have NO knowledge about and since I've been blogging for years, while staffing with full disclosure when necessary, I feel your comment about:

It has been demonstrated time and again that social networking turns into a nightmare if you just let the back pagers prey upon each other. It is now commonly known that technical blogs such as digg, and slashdot are virtual killing fields. So without some labor on the part of blog proprietors to protect the desirable back pagers, social networks become overrun with stealth trolls. This is becoming very well established.

A. isn't obvious to very many
B. applies only to community blogs and
C. is a very narrow viewpoint.

Blog owners who are campaign staffers will make their presence known when there is a conflict and I've never seen or known one who ignored his blog in the process.

Enjoy your belief system. I don't buy it's validity and doubt many do.

Of course...I really don't care either.

My experience has been nearly completely positive until I run into the occasional 'true believer' in one subject or another...and they just become a bore when they can't see the forest for the tree's and only focus on their own views.

Right now my primary blog Political Dogfight has over 400 posts and Political Interviews is creating it's own self-described content....so I don't think I'm inexperienced.

As I said before, however, enjoy your belief system...I have no need to write about it having fully expressed my own view.


just a red meat eatin' Democratic Dawg frontpaging at The Democratic Daily...
by BigDog on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 08:43:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Advertising is Evil? (none / 0)

BigDog said:

A. isn't obvious to very many
B. applies only to community blogs and
C. is a very narrow viewpoint.

Very narrow viewpoint? I think I have pointed out that this problem can be handled without too much difficulty if blog proprietors take basic measures to protect their bloggers.

Here's an example of people the potential fiasco is obvious to (in regard to examples that are the "technical blogs" I referred to):

http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro-markets/?p= 165


by blues on Sat Jul 01, 2006 at 02:18:32 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

You mean the ones who ask for a lot of stuff are cheap? What a shock!


by blues on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:52:52 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

I still don't get the whole "corruption" angle.  If everything that is being said is true, its not like you've taken an oath or anything.  Kaus is even talking about "quid pro quo" between Kos and Jerome Armstrong because Jerome Armstrong has "access".  Um, hello. . .Kos is a blogger, not an elected official.  Even if guys are walking up to Kos with suitcases of sweaty $20 bills, he can take the cash and its not illegal if he reports the cash as income.

Here's an idea for the netroots and all this "corruption" stupidity, the next time some reporter threatens to make you look corrupt, you remind him that the First Amendment doesn't protect against slander.  Maybe this is my inner litigator talking (slow day at work), but I'd really like to see some bastard like David Brooks get nailed for defamation.


by Jim Treglio on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 07:01:23 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Let's face facts there are NO 'progressive Democrats' in the power structure right now. Just a bunch of Republicans in disguise.

See Barack 'The Great Black Hope' Obama's groveling interview in the WaPo today. With the exception of Feingold, Gore and Lamont we have only a bunch of folks more interested in themselves than what is happening to America.

Many in the blogosphere recognise this and I believe you will see calls for a wholesale replacement of the individuals and institutions in the 'Democratic Party' who have failed our nation by failing to create and support a political vision worthy of the party and the nation's history.


by Pericles on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 07:05:05 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 0)

There are probably a few more progressives, such as my Senator Ted Kennedy.


by blues on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 05:51:26 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 2)

The people who are trying to exploit MyDD are pretty damn pathetic.  You want your issue noticed, register for a damn account.  Then post diaries about it.  If the issue is important to MyDD readers, on one day or another, one of your diaries will get noticed.  It'll get recommended lots, and it'll spend time as a recommended diary.  Ditto over at Kos, only with more readers (and more diaries for it to get lost in...)  

thats the thing about communities like MYDD and Kos, you can get your own issue noticed if you take the time to write about it.  

You can get noticed, just write stuff that people find provoking, and people will read it.  Stick around and reply to peoples questions.  You don't need Chris or Matt or Markos or Georgia to write about your issue for you.  

And, if you're too lazy to write diaries, and you're well enough funded, buy some damn ads that people can click on.  People do occasionally click on them, especially if it relates to something of interest to them!

Or, start up your own blog on your own interest group site.  sheez.  it ain't hard people.

Chris, by the way - Did the ad network jack rates for the election season?  with all the campaigns buying up ads on lib blogs, seems like it would be a good time to raise prices ;-)


by JJCPA on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 07:50:02 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

How exactly does the way the combined netroots page at ActBlue works NOT make you corrupt?

You said yourself that netroots refers to all of us who are involved with politics via the Internet, and you "and this site" claim to be supporters of "people-powered politics"

Yet the decisions of who to put on the page at ActBlue called the "netroots" page is made by 4, and only 4 people.

Yes, I realize you've asked for suggestions/nominations. But it looks like what you've done is choose whoever you were going to choose anyway.

So explain exactly why your process is not corrupt.


by bobdoleisevil on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:04:18 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

I'm mildly curious, precisely who put a gun to your head and made you click in MyDD? Who is preventing you from starting your own blog?


by Alice Marshall on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:43:34 PM EST
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Set up your own page then (3.00 / 1)

The netroots page is those 4 guys page. Sure they have one hell of a readership and can push it. But it's their page. Create one yourself, put the candidates on it you want, then post about it where people will find out about it.

Will you draw like the Netroots page? Probably not. But that's the perks these guys get for being successful - they actually have readership who will make such a page very active.

But nothing is stopping you from plugging the hell out of one of your own pages...


Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 09:00:47 PM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Start your own blog and 'netroots' page or quit-yer-bellyachin' please.  


by LionelEHutz on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 09:11:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

who the hell cares? (none / 0)

It's not like Chris is making any money off of it.  He's helping choose which candidates get a particular endorsement.  So?


by Adam B on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 11:40:14 PM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

One of the two candidates I nominated are on the list.  Linda Stender is an excellent choice, and I am glad my input was considered.


by illinois062006 on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:06:34 AM EST
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Whom would you have him support? (3.00 / 0)

I mean, really!

Personally, would it have made my day if my friend Bill had gotten the netroots bid? Of course! But he didn't, and life goes on. He'll still be receptive to the 'roots, and do what he can, and hopefully, we'll whip Tancredo's ass in November.

Netroots support isn't a given, man; you've got to earn it. And it's not a substitute for doing the hard working of organizing voters for your candidate.

If you think that your candidate is worthy, then make a case for that. Don't just whinge and moan about Chris and the Gnomes of Zurich who together hold the keys to the netroots cash stash.


by Arkhangel on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:27:42 AM EST
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Re: Whom would you have him support? (none / 0)

John Laesch (IL-14) -

With the way things are going for Dennis Hastert right now, we need John's campaign powerful enough to throw Denny an anvil. That takes major money & support.

Supporting Laesch would be money well spent, IMHO. He can keep Denny at home, protecting his own seat, instead of out helping other Republican candidates.


"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress." ~Mark Twain
by dabuddy on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 01:26:17 AM EST
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Oh, okay... (3.00 / 0)

Laesch seems like a good guy, from what I can gather. My only concerns about his race are:

1. Only one sitting House Speaker has failed re-election since the Civil War (Tom Foley, in 1994).

2. The '04 numbers for Bush v. Kerry show Bush winning by a fairly solid margin (10 % pts, which is technically landslide territory).

3. Coach Denny isn't a polarizing figure, more a lovable loser/buffoon type.

Do you have any head 2 head #'s showing Laesch within striking distance now (10-15 pts behind)? And who's covering the race, netroots-wise? I know that you've got SoapBlox Chicago, but what else? And will the ethics stuff stick and snowball?

From my experience, that's the sort of thing that gets you Big Boy netroots attention.


by Arkhangel on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 01:54:58 AM EST
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Re: Oh, okay... (none / 0)

I agree.  This is why I am not very excited about his race.  Maybe next cycle it will become competitive, especially if Denny retires.


by illinois062006 on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 02:21:31 AM EST
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Re: Oh, okay... (none / 0)

Coach Denny isn't a polarizing figure, more a lovable loser/buffoon type

CORRECTION: He WASN'T a polarizing figure...He is now. The people in his district - Especially the REPUBLICAN Farmers - Are ready to tar & feather him over his "highway". It will cut right through the middle of farms that have been in their families for generations.

His FORMER supporters are now LIVID!


"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress." ~Mark Twain
by dabuddy on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 05:26:58 AM EST
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Re: Oh, okay... (none / 0)

Also, the demographics in his district have changed dramatically in the last two years. Kendall County is one of the fastest growing areas in the US right now.

Democrats are moving in, in droves.


"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress." ~Mark Twain
by dabuddy on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 05:30:18 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Ah, a "branding" concernista. So if it were called the MyDD/DailyKos/SSP page, this complaint wouldn't exist.

But because we call it the "netroots" page, now we're corrupt.

Of course, the term isn't trademarked - anyone else can create a page and call it the "netroots page."

And, of course, if people didn't respect our judgment, they could ignore the page entirely. It only has as much worth as people give it.


by DavidNYC on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:34:48 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

How exactly does the way the combined netroots page at ActBlue works NOT make you corrupt? You said yourself that netroots refers to all of us who are involved with politics via the Internet, and you "and this site" claim to be supporters of "people-powered politics." Yet the decisions of who to put on the page at ActBlue called the "netroots" page is made by 4, and only 4 people. Yes, I realize you've asked for suggestions/nominations. But it looks like what you've done is choose whoever you were going to choose anyway.

So explain exactly why your process is not corrupt.

by bobdoleisevil on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:04:18 PM EST

Hmmm, interesting trail of logic.

Let's take a quick run at Merriam Webster:

CORRUPT -

1 a : to change from good to bad in morals, manners, or actions; also : BRIBE b : to degrade with unsound principles or moral values
2 a : to become tainted or rotten b : to become morally debased
3 : to cause disintegration or ruin

Let's look at "netroots fundraising page" -

http://www.actblue.com/page/netrootscand idates

No incumbents there, all progressive or progressive-friendly candidates.

I conclude that there is nothing to indicate any change in morals, manners or actions, no "quid pro quo" (quite the opposite, actually), nothing tainted or rotten or morally debased, nor any cause of disintegration or ruin.

So explain exactly why you think the process is corrupt?

With the exception of Eric Massa and Francine Busby, I would never have heard of these candidates, would never have had the opportunity to contribute to their campaigns, or have the chance to support BlogPAC. I commend Chris, Matt, Jerome, et al, plus the stream of diarists who have contributed to this effort, and MyDD. I'll wager you take exception because your considerations are not reflected in the selection of candidates, or you simply want to make a stir. Either way, start your own blog, pick your own candidates, and have a nice day.

-GFO


by GuyFromOhio on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 02:29:54 PM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Thanks Chris.  Exceedingly righteous post.


by taylormattd on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:06:03 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Hah!  I had to laugh. I keep getting invitations to attend political fundraisers for California millionaires running for office.  I gag.  To boot, they insult me by inviting me to the cheapies, $250, not the $1000 like they used to.

You are doing a terrific job, all of you.  And i think the brains are starting to migrate here at greater speed from the tyranny of dkos.  So the ad revenue will rise.  But I think there is also a parting of the ways coming between the 'progressive' and the 'dlc lite' blogosphere which claims to be the netroots.  People are waking up and realising that Webb Herseth is just Lieberman Fienstien.  I realise there are pressures so take care of yourself.  The shift could be sudden so prepare a plan of how to handle higher volumes.


You're nobody...until you've been banned at dkos because you had an original thought or spoke truth to power.
by NorCalJim on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 08:25:47 PM EST

Success Brings Jealousy (3.00 / 1)

Those who matter love and support you and keep up the good work.  You are one the few writers I go out of my way to read.


Gandhi - "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
by HCLiberal on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 09:04:30 PM EST

There's nothing immoral about success. (3.00 / 2)

A little over 30 years ago I started my first business while I thought I was a committed Socialist.  Weird, huh?   I wanted to build a worker oriented, bottom up business.
 What I learned was that organizing that work, having a vision, enacting that vision and having people follow is extremely rare and deserving of reward.  (I'm not really bragging so much as observing.)

So you've got the vision, energy and execution -- more power to you.  I hope you break six figures soon and blog from the most spectacular location you can think of.

How can we compete, ultimately, for talent when we expect progressives to be paupers while the Conservatives pay their people handsomely.  

If we lose our best the the realities of making a living we will never succeed.


by NeoLeftist on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 10:15:36 PM EST

Bravo, bravo (none / 0)

I'm really struggling to find a way to move more into the work I'm passionate about for progressives without having to worry if I will be able to pay my mortgage and save for retirement.

You have my admiration, and appreciation whatever you write.

Keep on doing what you're doing. You're absolutely right about everything you said here.


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 10:25:38 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

I would not allow an email from a staffer in a US Senate office to bother me.  Just ignore it.


by illinois062006 on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 11:07:40 PM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

I would not allow an email from a staffer in a US Senate office to bother me.  Just ignore it.

Great advice, but easier said than done, I'm sure.


"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress." ~Mark Twain
by dabuddy on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 01:38:53 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Hear Hear.  i couldn't agree more.  From where i sit (in front of my computer) it certainly seems like it is the blogs that have re-injencted progressivism into the democratic party.  This rediscovery of the roots of the democratic party has already proven to be yield better results than all the high-paid "inside the beltway" experts.  (e.g. DLC)

So congrats for not allowing urself to be coopted... hopefully others will do the same


by DanD on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:07:07 AM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 1)

Or the reputations of supercilious Senators (read: Obama) who are much more concerned about their media appearance than the platform of the party they ostensibly represent.  


by illinois062006 on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:12:41 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (3.00 / 2)

Frankly, I think your reaction to the Americans Coming Together thing demonstrates a bit of a lack of business acumen. When they say "how do we get a break on ad rates?" what they REALLY MEAN is "Can we find some way of making your life easier while justifying it to our superiors?"

And the proper response is "Fine. We can have you pay for 12 months in advance, and we'll give you two months for free for doing so." And they'll take that deal because if they really want to advertise here they also want to help you out.

But you're bloggers, not businessmen, and how are you supposed to understand such things? You take everything at face value, which is 100% appropriate for your content, even if it's missing the boat businesswise.

Otherwise, you ought to zoom out a bit and thank people for whining and complaining that you're not covering them. And it's the perogative of everyone to try to get the most out of people while giving up the least for doing so. That's just the start of a bargaining position in the bazaar, dude.

It's a lot to ask for people to both be effective progressive bloggers, decrying the iniquities of life as they must, and yet be savvy businessmen behind the scenes. So maybe you want a partner who grasps this stuff but won't also abscond with all of your revenue at the same time.


by peeder on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:36:52 AM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

You really have a sophisticated understanding of blogs for a first time visitor.


by illinois062006 on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:40:08 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

peeder?
First-Time Blogger???

Not hardly...
He's a big time blogger (and sometimes software guru) over at DailyKos.


"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress." ~Mark Twain
by dabuddy on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 01:44:26 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

this is his first comment at MyDD.


by illinois062006 on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 01:52:54 AM EST
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Your point being (none / 0)

what, exactly?


Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.
by boadicea on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 10:27:55 AM EST
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Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

Great post Chris. Makes me especially glad I bought you that beer in Hartford.

But on the larger point (and one really not commented on much above), we do need to get away from the "suffer for the cause" crap.

That blogging has given a few (and really, I imagine, very few)young progressives a change to make a living is great. We should all celebrate it and lay off on the silly ethics whining.

Now if only we can figure out a way to get the canvassers a living wage and a career path that will keep them in the "movement"


by pavlov dog on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 10:27:35 AM EST

Re: Stop Telling Me What To Write (none / 0)

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