Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democrats

As a lifelong Cornhusker, I can't tell you how much Senator Ben Nelson broke my heart this week with his positions on the Federal Marraige Amendment and the estate tax.  Though I can't imagine a sscenario in which I would vote against him in a general election (having a Democrat, especially one as popular as he is, holding a Senate seat in a state this red is just not something I could easily discard), I am tired of time and time again seeing this great political talent advance Republican rhetoric -the "death tax", etc, at the expense of opening up an honest dialogue on such issues and presenting Nebraskans with a true choice between the conservative norm and progressive change.

More on the flip

Fortunately for us Nebraskan Democrats, our party has suceeded in finding fantastic candidates to share the ballot with Senator Nelson this November.  For instance, our gubernatorial candidate David Hahn (www.hahnfornebraska.org) has come out early and vocally against a South Dakota style abortion ban, in favor of expanding broadband access for our rural communities, against a ballot initiative seeking to arbitrarily cap the state budget, and against the legislature's plan to divide Omaha Public Schools along racial lines.  While Hahn, a lawyer and internet entreupreneur for Lincoln who has never before sought public office, has little chance of upsetting a Republican governor with a 70% approval rating whose fresh off of a startling primary victory over Cornhusker legend Tom Osbourne, he is intent on using his candidacy to offer Nebraskans what they have lacked for so many years: a choice.  An outline of how a Democratic administration would differ from the status quo.  In this way, his likely defeat in November may well serve an even greater role in building our anemic party and advancing our brand than would Ben Nelson's likely victory on a platform composed largely of Republican talking points.

Likewise, the candidacy of Scott Kleeb, running fro Congress in NE-03 (the nation's sixth most Republican district), isn't about victory in November: it's about the future of our party in the third district, in Nebraska, and indeed in red state America as a whole.  It's not about tommorrow, not about '06: it's about '08 and beyond.  It's about thinking two steps ahead.  And it's about time that the netroots -we, the great promoters of Dean's "Fifty State Strategy"- stand up and take notice.

Kleeb is right for Nebraska

"I am the Fifty State Strategy" is how Scott Kleeb introduced himself to the Democratic National Commitee Meeting in Phoenix last year.  Kleeb is a fourth generation Nebraskan who was born on a military base in Turkey, attended high school in Italy and returned to the states for his college education.  He worked as a ranch hand while earning his bachelor's in Colorado, and then spent six years earning a Master's and then Doctorate from Yale (his Master's is in International Relations, his dissertion was on the history of cattle ranching in the Western world).  Rather than taking his doctorate and finding a comfortable job in academia or some other white-collar job, Scott returned to his roots in Western Nebraska to work as a ranch hand.  His boots are broken in: he has a good understanding both of this land and its people and of the world outside America's borders. Last October he hosted representatives from Panama, the Phillipines, China and the Bahamas (as part of Yale's World Fellows program) for a summit that included a discussion of world trade and the ranch's fall branding.

Kleeb is a rare political talent who is extremely gifted at retail politics - the kind of politics that still dominates this large rural district.  Former Governor/Senator Bob Kerrey has noted Kleeb's rare gift for politics, recalling that "At an event here in New York City, I was very pleased to watch the audience as he spoke.  When he finished, people seemed to understand and like the people Scott wants to represent. I have listened to thousands of political speeches and know how rare his performance was."  Having had the pleasure to see Kleeb on the campaign myself, I couldn't agree more.

Kleeb is right for today

Kleeb is doing something no third District Democrat has done for decades: running a serious campaign with an eye on winning.  Though the new fundraising numbers aren't in yet, the big news was that Kleeb entered the general election on near financial parity with the Republican nominee -state Senate Adrian Smith, an unheard of feat for a Democrat running in such a red district.  In fact, Kleeb substaintially outraised all of the other serious contenders for this extremely red seat, and his fundraising has reportedly only started to gear up.  As the general election gets underway, Kleeb continues to recieve favorable press and has even apparently nudged this race into the national party's radar.  To quote Tuesday's addition of the Hill:

<quote>"His campaign has all the makings of what could be success," DCCC chairman Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) said, adding that if Kleeb continues to raise money and show progress in internal polls the committee might send money his way.</quote>

But this is a district that money might not be able to buy: television commercials would have a difficult time saturating the market, as many communities rely on satellite television, and the radio market (which reaches the agricultural vote working the fields) is cheap enough to allow any candidate to get their word out.  No, Kleeb is relying on his hard work and the substantial amount of (as far as I have seen, universally positive) free press.  Last Friday he joined Kerrey is a three city tour that directly reached around 400 attendees (nothing to shake a stick at in these sparesly populated rural communities) and earned him the front page of three of the district's most widely circulated newspapers.  He's appeared at fundraisers alongside the likes of Ben Nelson, Barack Obama and Nebraskan legend/former JFK speechwriter Ted Sorenson.  He's crisscrossed the countryside, shaken thousands of hands and worked dozens of events.

His performance at the first general election debate yesterday electrified 200 Nebraskan teenagers, as he hit Smith hard for his unscientific denial of global warming, his reliance on the forces of "the free marketplace" to reduce our reliance on foreign oil, and his reception of $390,000 from a little group called the Club for Growth, which opposes tax incentives for Ethanol and all forms of agricultural subsidies.  Kleeb introduced a comprehensive plan for reducing America's reliance on foreign oil and promoted his vision of rural Nebraska as a technological center, leading the way in ethanol and biofuel research in an effort to combat the "brain drain" of talented young people leaving the Heartland in search of more exciting oppurtunities.

"We don't have the luxury of waiting for market forces alone to solve this critical problem," Scott said in a statement after the debate. "We have an opportunity now not only to pave the way to energy independence, but to boost markets for Nebraska farmers, expand Nebraska's biofuel industry, and create a new generation of high-paying jobs, so our young people don't have to leave the third district in search of opportunity."

Kleeb is right for tommorrow

Kleeb, like Hahn, is focusing on this plan for promoting Nebraska as a center for energy research as a model for how his vision of the Heartland differs from Smith's conservative status quo.  Kleeb is offering voters a real choice on these issues which are an essential part of their everyday lives, and is illustrating the real contrast between the Democratic vision of a government that works for all people and the Republican vision of a marketplace that serves only the rich.  In Kerrey's words: "He envisions a Nebraska with jobs and people flowing in instead of out. If that vision is to be realized, we need leaders with the energy and intelligence to promote fresh ideas. And Scott is such a leader."

Will Kleeb break my heart, as Nelson has done so many times in his Congressional career?  I don't know for sure.  Certaintly I disagree with him on some issues: he is, after all, pro-life and supports the Iraq War.  But this war must be won one battle at a time, and Kleeb is carving a path to victory by taking that first essential step: articulating our core, Democratic principles in a model for the future which is consistent with the goals and the values of the rural voters he wishes to represent.  He has the potential here to upset the Republicans which have now long held the rural vote by appealing to mostly abstact social issues by showing this Adrian Smith for who he and his kind really are: idealogue extremists promoting an economic policy that has Nebraska's population and economic growth in sharp decline.

Can Kleeb win?  Perhaps not this battle, but maybe that's not the point.  Maybe his defeat, like Hahn's, will do more good for the party than harm simply by presenting a contrast of ideas that will remind rural voters why they're fathers and grandfathers were such solid Democrats.  Perhaps Kleeb himself will use his enormous talents to win office in some other form, just as Bill Clinton used his 1974 loss in an extremely Republican district to springboard his impressive career.  If Kleeb comes close in this most Republican of districts, he might be a shoo-in for the Senate seat possibly being vacated by the presidential aspirant Chuck Hagel in 2008.  Any Democratic who can cut down the Republican margin out there in the pandhandle need only to win comfortably in the more Democratic-friendly Omaha, Lincoln and the Indian counties to carry the state.  

But we'll never know if Kleeb doesn't have the resources he needs to compete with Smith's out-of-state dollars.  Please consider making a small donation at http://www.scottkleeb.com/21/donate.asp? display=5  Consider an investment in a better Nebraska, a better party and a better nation.  An investment in the politics of tommorrow.



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Re: Nebraska state Democrats (3.00 / 0)

The Nebraska Democratic Party has been running ads for Nelson to pre empt the trainload of money Ricketts will dump into the race. The more I hear of some of those ads the more I'm inclined to vote a write in. In one ad Nelson babbles on about how he'll continue voting for tax cuts and how he will always fight to eliminate the "death tax." Add to that his dismal voting record and aside from casting a vote for a Democratic Majority Leader he is certainly not representing much of my viewpoint.

I realize he must be pragmatic in this blood red state. He had to vote for Alito or the rabid right to lifers in the state would have turned Hell on him, but other votes like supporting the budget bill with ANWR drilling in it (something he opposes) was not necessary. His excuse? He had to support the troops with the budget vote. The list goes on but again, every time I hear him pander to the uneducated with the "death tax" gibberish I want to hurl.

Additionally, Nelson did zero as governor to build the party in the state and he's done the same since going to the senate. If he had done something to help build a bench we wouldn't have had someone four years ago running for governor  that never held office and likewise the same four years later, as well as in some of our congressional races and statehouse races.

I will not vote for Ricketts because he'd be worse than Nelson but if I vote for Ben it will be with my eyes closed, nose pinched and breath held.


by NebraskaDem on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 07:13:37 PM EST

Re: Nebraska state Democrats (none / 0)

I agree in part about Nelson.  He's a mixed bag, but that's still better than Ricketts by a long shot.  I think his gravest sin has really been this whole "death tax" thing.  Not only is the repeal of the estate tax almost completely irreconcilable witht he Democratic Party's platform (as Kyle Michael's of the New Nebraska Network [ http://newnebraska.blogspot.com/2006/06/ nebraska-democrats-endorse-death-tax.htm l ]explained quite well this morning), but now he's spending the state party's money to advance the conservative lie that this is some scary kind of tax on mortality itself.

I think it's a bit of an overstatement, though, to say Nelson hasn't done anything to build the party as governor or Senator.  Certaintly he's fallen quite short of the standard set by Jim Exon, but if it wasn't for Nelson we wouldn't have had a state Senator Nancy Thompson (an appointee of his) all these years, or the Congressional candidate Maxine Moul (his Lt. Governor) in NE-01.  Those are just two examples, but both are incredibly valuable players in the party that wouldn't be here if it weren't for Nelson's success at the top of the ticket.

Personally, though, I don't think Nelson's primary responsibility is to build the party.  We have people working on that full time, we shouldn't have to rely on our candidates to be worrying about everyone else's races when they have their own problems to face.  However, I do think Nelson should use his enormous political talents to try and advance a democratic agenda which visibly differs from that of the Republicans.  It's that vision of a different Nebraska -a blue Nebraska- that would really help our candidates in '08 and beyond.  And I agree, most unfortunately, that he has failed miserably at doing this.  


by Ryan Anderson on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 07:38:11 PM EST
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Would that be Maxine Moul who Nelson bumped out midterm to the econ development agency, never to be heard from again?

Would that be Nelson who then appointed a Lt Gov that is now basically a lobbyist for the University instead of holding office?

Would that be Nelson who appointed Nancy Thompson who now is in the private sector? (granted, at least she tried to run for Congress before leaving elected life)

Jim Exon built the party like no other. But I still think Ben has done little to grow the party in Nebraska. Don't get me wrong, I know Ben and if we saw each other on the street we'd both say hi and chat. But his votes nauseate me. Yeah, he's better than Ricketts because at least Nelson will give a correct vote once in a great while if not by accident. The last time I called Ben's office on the budget issue which contained ANWR I told his staffer to ask Ben to vote like a Democrat at least once in a while.

I don't have the time to check but I'd be willing to bet Ben voted for the disasterous bankruptcy bill and I believe he voted to cap insurance payouts. Like I said before, I can understand pragmatism in this blood red state. But when the Democratic party is putting out scarce cash to pay for Ben touting the repeal of the "death tax" I have no inclination to give money to the party.


by NebraskaDem on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:09:16 AM EST
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You're blaming Nelson because Moul and Thompson decided to advance their careers rather than stay put in their respective offices?  Moul has served her state honorably no matter what her title was, and I'm sure Thompson will be doing a terrific job in her duty with Boys and Girls.  Why can't we value the work they have done as politicians, candidates and private employees?


by Ryan Anderson on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:40:15 AM EST
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Ryan, you're the one who offered Thompson and Moul as examples of party building. I'm just saying if it was a party it was a short one where people left early. Maxine went off to oblivion when Ben shoved her over to the dark hole of economic development midway through her term. Her windmill jousting now in the GOP first district is probably due more to her husband's desires than her own. I gave Thompson credit for running a losing battle against the hideous Lee Terry.

However, by contrast, the GOP gets a bench by recruitment and perseverance. Stenberg, as bad as he was, ran for office four times before being elected to something and then was the AG for how many long years? Nobody can match Exon for party building but Ben, and Bob Kerry for that matter, couldn't come close to Exon.

Let's just agree to disagree. However, I think we both agree that Ben's cowtowing to the uneducated masses with his "death tax" repeal drumbeat is over the line. Hell, he even uses the GOP jargon of "death tax."


by NebraskaDem on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 03:49:44 AM EST
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My point is that any candidate who succeeds at the top of the ticket drags people along with them: Moul and Thompson are two such examples for Nelson.  Both of them served as terrific public servants and terrific candidates.  That Thompson is no longer active in politics is no more reason to dismiss her service and success in the state legislature (or Nelson's role in getting her there) then, say, criticizing Exon just because his most successful recruit -Bob Kerrey- left the Senate and found private work in another state.  

I don't think it's Ben Nelson's fault that those Democrats who were given an oppurtunity to be more active in state government thanks to his election weren't as successful at elective politics as he was.  

Maybe that's just where we differ, I guess.  I will agree to disagree.


by Ryan Anderson on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 03:12:40 PM EST
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One Lieberman is enough, thanks! (3.00 / 0)

Will Kleeb break your heart, you ask?  He certainly broke mine when I was a student leader at Yale and he stabbed me in the back on certain issues, very publicly.  It makes me very, very sad that I know a guy who is not only running for Congress, but doing it as a Democrat in such a red seat and who has a legitimate chance of winning, and I can't support him.  But I can't.  One Joe Lieberman in Congress is more than enough, thanks.  If we're going to wind up spending god knows how much money and resources to defend a seat in such hostile territory, I at least want a guy whose support we can count on as progressive Democrats.  If, on the other hand, we're going to have a shill for the Republicans in that seat, we might as well have a real Republican there.


by RamblinDave on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:24:50 PM EST

Let it Go (3.00 / 2)

Dave-

I'm sorry for whatever fall-out occurred between yourself and Mr. Kleeb, but I do believe it's time for you to put your personal vendetta aside.

Everytime the man's campaign is mentioned, there you are feeling the need to slip-in word of your private problems with the candidate in a generally quite malicious manner.  I just hope you're dedicating as much effort to supporting "accepable" candidates as you do to sabotaging the efforts of this incredibly intelligent and hard-working young man fighting an almost impossibly uphill battle.

In Nebraska, we don't have the luxury of worrying about campus politics at an Ivy League school.  The choice in Nebraska's Third Congressional District is between Kleeb and a Republican who won the primary by running against Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton while taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from the anti-government zealots at the Club for Growth.  

Obviously, you don't know Nebraska's Third District.  You don't know that it includes four of the 10 poorest counties in the nation.  You don't know how much courage it takes just to run in this district that has NEVER elected a Democrat to Congress.  You don't know that Kleeb is bringing just a little bit of hope and excitement to Democrats who haven't had reason for either in decades.  

If you knew these things - if you understood the stakes - I like to think you'd quit the axe-grinding and - even if you can't bring yourself to write Kleeb a check - at least move beyond these obscure personal attacks that, at the end of the day, amount to nothing but self-indulgent character assassination.


by Skylewalker on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:03:22 AM EST
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Re: Let it Go (3.00 / 0)

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't see it as character assassination.  I see it as telling the truth - which I learned rather painfully - about a guy we can't and shouldn't trust.  And you're right, I don't know the NE 3rd.  I have no doubt that it does take a lot of guts for Scott to run there.  But I do know that while he has guts and leadership skills to spare, he can't be counted on to use them for the common good.  That's why I won't support him, and why I won't be silenced about him.


by RamblinDave on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:17:44 AM EST
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Re: Let it Go (none / 0)

Well can people change? Could Kleeb have changed since your unfortunate incident? However, if you do have issues with him, it would be beneficial if you told us your side of the story. What did Kleeb do to you?


by jiacinto on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:54:17 AM EST
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Re: Let it Go (none / 0)

No, I'm gonna vote with Skylewalker on this. Your reluctance to provide any specifics suggests that in your heart of hearts even you don't believe that your grievances would strike readers as substantive, however personally painful they may have been at the time.  

You've been muttering dark hints whenever Kleeb is mentioned in the blogosphere and it's starting to look like the behavior of an irrational stalker.

State your case. Kleeb is poised to become a net favorite, at least among those who don't feel that candidates for office in historically-Red districts need to pass every litmus test that a candidate in Boston or Hartford would be expected to pass. If you have information that would derail that, spill it. Dark hints aren't information.


by Christopher Walker on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 01:57:15 PM EST
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Re: Let it Go (none / 0)

If you were interested in "telling the truth," you'd give a full airing of the details of your beef with Kleeb. Perhaps even a single article in the YDN?

But let's not kid ourselves: There are very few people who would consider it acceptable to hold a life-long grudge over what happened in some internecine GESO dispute.


by DavidNYC on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 10:48:54 PM EST
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Re: Let it Go (3.00 / 1)

Actually, no.  I engage with many Yale PhDs who were involved with the graduate student strike, and many of them are very proud of their participation in that important uprising.  And some have even been rejected job offers for participating in the Yale strike.  As a graduate student who relies on the university for health care, a decent stipend, fair teaching loads and other services, I too would be very upset if someone tried to undermine other students' attempts to attain an acceptable standard of life.  Perhaps one would have to be enrolled in a PhD program in order to understand the importance of graduate student affairs.  But to minimize the importance of graduate student organization and unionization is beyond the pale.  And I am shocked to see an ostensible Democrat espouse such hateful and insensitive rhetoric.


by illinois062006 on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 04:40:06 AM EST
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Re: Let it Go (none / 0)

Most undergrads have a different perspective on it, I'm afraid.  


by kilb on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:15:48 AM EST
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Well (none / 0)

What did he do? Before I make a judgment I want to know what exactly happened.


by jiacinto on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:53:21 AM EST
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Re: Well (3.00 / 0)

What did Scott do to me?  That's a very fair question, and the only reason why I have avoided specifics is that I don't want to get involved in a pissing match about the issue itself, which is graduate student unionization.  Besides my not wanting to get into a debate on it, I believe doing so is banned on some blogs anyhow.  

But the exact issue is beside the point.  It happened to be unionization, but it could have been anything.  The point is that Scott claimed to be on our side, and he had the ability to be tremendously helpful to us.  But when push came to shove, he did nothing.  On occasion he also spoke out against us, in public, with some very active anti-unionists there to enjoy the show.  All of which would be okay IF HE WERE REALLY OPPOSED TO US.  I could respect that, even if I obviously disagreed with it.  But no, he claimed to be on our side, but then routinely said things that hurt our cause significantly.  It gave the other side cause to say "look, even one of their guys thinks..."  That's why I so often compare him to Joe Lieberman, who last I checked didn't have too many friends around here.  Worse still, he did sometimes show up at our rallies, when he knew there'd be few opponents there to see him, so he didn't have to worry about putting on a show for his apathetic or anti-union friends.

I often see Ben Nelson compared favorably to Lieberman, and I think rightly so.  Nelson has a conservative voting record because he comes from a conservative state, and the same would probably be true of Scott if he were elected.  But Nelson avoids actually speaking out against the Democrats and/or reiterating Republican propaganda, as Lieberman does routinely.  Based on my experiences with Scott, I don't trust him to do the same.  Electing a Democrat from an extremely Republican district would be nice, but it's not worth that cost.  And Nelson's presence in the Senate is, I think, proof that you don't have to speak out against your allies to get elected in Nebraska.

Let me repeat, my beef with him is not about the issues themselves.  I'm not stupid, I know that western Nebraska is very different from New England.  That has nothing to do with my reservations about him.  I disagree with him on a number of issues, notably abortion rights, but that wouldn't have stopped me from supporting him if I felt I could trust him on the issues where we do agree.  But if he disagreed with me on the issue I was working so hard for, he should have said so.  Instead he claimed to be on my side and then effectively worked against me.  Do we really want a guy like that representing us in Congress?

I wish Scott all the luck in the world.  But if people here and elsewhere on the blogosphere are thinking of lending their support, they have a right to know about his record.


by RamblinDave on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 03:28:06 PM EST
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Who are you kidding? (none / 0)

"I wish Scott all the luck in the world."

If the above quote holds any truth whatsoever, it's time for you to move on.  The record for which you bear such a grudge against Mr. Kleeb was a complicated issue of campus politics that hardly lends itself to your insulting and idiotic Lieberman comparison.

No offense, but I can't even imagine how egotistical one would have to be to use this ultimately private grievance as you have.  You felt betrayed?  Well, I'm sorry - that sure sucks for you.....but the people of Nebraska's Third District have been betrayed by their Republican representatives for years.  That's our concern here in Nebraska.

You want to hold one issue from years ago on a college campus more than 1,000 miles away as the moment that defines Kleeb and forever brands him?  Who the hell are you to make such a judgment?  This is character assassination - plain and simple.  I don't want to guess at your motives, but they come across as petty and vindictive anyway you look at it.

For your own emotional well-being, not to mention the voters of Nebraska's Third District, it's time to let it go.....


by Skylewalker on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 04:24:36 PM EST
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Re: Who are you kidding? (3.00 / 0)

"No offense," but you call my explanation "insulting and idiotic" and you call me "egotistical."  Hmm, okay.  
I believe I answered your question.  Disagree all you like, but don't expect me to shut up about this just because you don't want to hear it.
by RamblinDave on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 06:27:46 PM EST
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Re: Who are you kidding? (none / 0)

I don't expect you to shut up.  I ask that you politely refrain from using innuendo and unfair comparisons to undermine a Democratic candidate for Congress who's running on a progressive agenda that has nothing at all to do with unionizing Ivy League Teaching Assistants.

And, it's not that I "don't want to hear it"....it's that I don't want to hear it OVER AND OVER AND OVER every time Kleeb's name gets mentioned online.

I happen to be familiar with the Yale Unionizing effort - it made national headlines and presented some very intriguing questions about intellectual freedom and student exploitation.  But, it most certainly was not a good/evil, white hats/black hats sort of situation.  My GUESS is that Kleeb tried to stake out a compromise position - one that, from your continued tone, I assume you found unacceptable.  But, by the way you continue to bear a grudge and repetitiously air it in public forums so as to do the most possible damange, I have a hard time managing much sympathy for your supposed tale of betrayal.  These sorts of ACCUSATIONS cut both ways.

Come back when you have some actual evidence that Kleeb will be the Bush Administration cheerleader you maliciously suggest.  By your own admission, the man has incredible leadership and presence.  That hardly supports your ill-fitting Lieberman comparison that seems, on its face, tailor-made to hurt Kleeb's standing within the progressive community with little but rhetoric and rumor for actual support.

"Insulting and idiotic", "egotistical" - I stand by these assessments - at least of your online persona where young Mr. Kleeb is concerned.


by Skylewalker on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 07:52:10 PM EST
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Re: Who are you kidding? (3.00 / 0)

I believe I made it clear that I don't wish to debate unionization here.  Like I said, it could have been any issue.  But the fact is that I have worked with him - or tried to - and I believe that experience has given me reason to believe my Lieberman comparison is valid.  I can see you aren't going to agree with me in any case, and that's fine.  But lay off the insults and jumping to conclusions already.  No, he didn't try to compromise.  That, I could respect.

Now, do you REALLY think my responses to the blog entries are going to sink his campaign?  I'd say in a district that red, he's got bigger obstacles to overcome than me.  


by RamblinDave on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 08:03:05 PM EST
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Re: Who are you kidding? (none / 0)

So if even you acknowledge that your blog entries about Kleeb aren't accomplishing anything, then why not give it a rest and spend your time helping a candidate you actually like?


by DavidNYC on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 10:50:36 PM EST
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Re: Who are you kidding? (3.00 / 1)

Running on a "progressive agenda?"  I don't think so.  Read his position papers on his website and compare them with his self described "I am a Harry Truman cold war warrior Democrat" and you won't find much Progressiveness there.


by JFinNe on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:45:55 AM EST
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Re: Well (none / 0)

Well, if you don't want to put out in public, why not send me an email then:

jiacinto@yahoo.com

I want to hear your side of the story. If you'd rather do it in private, send me an email.

I want to know what exactly happened. This way you can tell me without making it public.


by jiacinto on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 04:49:55 PM EST
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Re: One Lieberman is enough, thanks! (none / 0)

Maybe you ought to talk to him personally.
Whatever it is, it is bothering you a lot.

And yes, I'm being serious


by v2aggie2 on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 01:40:20 AM EST
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Well (none / 0)

You write:

"While Hahn, a lawyer and internet entreupreneur for Lincoln who has never before sought public office, has little chance of upsetting a Republican governor with a 70% approval rating whose fresh off of a startling primary victory over Cornhusker legend Tom Osbourne, he is intent on using his candidacy to offer Nebraskans what they have lacked for so many years: a choice.  An outline of how a Democratic administration would differ from the status quo.  In this way, his likely defeat in November may well serve an even greater role in building our anemic party and advancing our brand than would Ben Nelson's likely victory on a platform composed largely of Republican talking points."

What if Nebraksans don't want the "choice" that Hahn is offering? What then?

But while this seat is still heavily Republican, it is not insurmountably so either. Democrats have actually come within 1-2% of winning it. This district was competetive in 1974 and in 1990. Even though it is dark red, every now and then, it will flirt with electing a Democrat. There have been maybe one or two times in the last few decades when this seat has been competetive. When it has been open it has been more competetive than not.

I wish Kleeb the best of luck. At the very least, if he can poll above 40%, he might be setting himself up well to run for something else in the district. And then he might be a more competetive candidate.


by jiacinto on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 12:51:08 AM EST

Re: Well (none / 0)

<quote>What if Nebraksans don't want the "choice" that Hahn is offering? What then?</quote>

The question really shouldn't be "What if Nebraskans...?"  As Republican as this state is, it most certaintly isn't a monolith and there are many Nebraskans who are looking for a way to get out from under this Johanns-Heinemen rut.  There are many people out there who are looking for a better way, or who have given up looking for one, that have not been properly represented by many of our recent top-of-the-ballot candidates.

The question "What if a majority of Nebraskans...?" is far more informative.  At the moment, it doesn't appear that the majority of Nebraskans realize how the state is suffering because of the policies of our Republican administration and legislature.  Nevertheless, they do suffer and nevertheless, the administration and legislature ignore these concerns to instead focus effort on red meat initiatives such as conceal-and-carry laws and "fiscal responsibility" (as if Heinemen's butchery of the state's budget could ever be called "responsible").

We can't allow these people and their policies to go unchallenged just because we find it too difficult to build a majority coalition willing to topple them and move in another direction.  Nebraskans deserve a choice and an alternative point of view.  Nebraska is not a monolith, and Nebraska politics should not be a monologue.  


by Ryan Anderson on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 03:27:15 PM EST
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I see your point (none / 0)

But if the NE Democratic Party is going to become competetive as it was back when the state had Exon, Kerrey, and Zorinsky in office, it is going to have to win support of the voters and have a platform that the voters want.  


by jiacinto on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 04:51:41 PM EST
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Re: I see your point (none / 0)

In my opinion, Hahn's platform is both appealing and refreshingand is certaintly right for Nebraskan interests, and I think just about the only way he could expect to pull this thing off is to get out in front of these controversial issues and take a few risks.  So it's worth a shot.  

If Hahn is able to make this race anywhere near competitive, which I hope he will (the bar is set pretty low right now: Heinemen pretty comfortably walloped the most popular Nebraskan in recent history in the primary and Hotline, for instance, now rates this safest seat in the nation) I think it'll be a damn good indication that there's something to this Western strategy (though I'm aware Nebraska isn't one of the intended targets of said strategy, rurual Nebraska is pretty much where the Midwest becomes the West).


by Ryan Anderson on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 07:00:20 PM EST
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The future of red state Democrats (none / 0)

Thanks for the diary.
As a former Nebraskan -- and still a diehard Cornhusker fan -- I am always interested in the goings-on there.  I used to live in Lincoln and North Platte and have family in Omaha whom I visit.

With regards to Nelson, it is time to acknowledge him for who he is -- a moderate-to-conservative Democrat -- and just accept that.  Democrats have never come in one shade, and truthfully, I would say that it is more likely that a moderate-to-conservative Democrat would come from Nebraska.

In addition, it could be argued that Nelson is a good representative of Nebraskans with regard to their overall view.  I myself disagree with Nelson often, but he's still a damn sight better than any Republican, and deserves our support.  He hasn't undermined the party and gives us a congressional presence in Nebraska that we wouldn't otherwise have.

With regards to progressives and Nebraska, it is all about the future, and Nelson is part of the old guard.  Hence, I don't think that Nelson is really part of this discussion.  In order to move progressive candidates in Nebraska forward, it will require getting Nebraskan on board with these ideas to a fair extent.  Until this happens, it will be difficult for progressive candidates to move ahead.  You can't fit a square peg into a round hole.

It is possible, however.
Nebraskans are good people, and I have always enjoyed my interactions with folks up there.

They can be swayed -- let's just say that we have a much tougher job down here in Texas

Good luck up in the land of corn!


by v2aggie2 on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 05:41:39 PM EST

Re: The future of red state Democrats (3.00 / 1)

I don't expect to agree with Nelson on every issue, and I've made my peace with him on many a topic where I believe his position is wrong, wrong, wrong.  I can respect that because I know that he's genuinely a pretty moderate-to-conservative guy, and there's room enough in the Democratic tent for those who are pro-life and pro-war, for instance.  But there are a few issues, especially this recent vote, validating Republican efforts to tarnish the reputation of the Constitution by writing into it's language explicity hate-filled and discriminatory law.  Even if he is genuinely opposed to gay marraige -something that I can accept- it's an insult to our Constitution and to state's rights (something he also supposedly believes in), not to mention a grave indication of how sick our Congress' priorities are to even consider voting for a Federal Marraige Amendment.  

I also can't reconcile his vote againnst the estate tax with the core Democratic belief in progressive taxation and the rich paying their fair share.  But, worse than that, we see him defending this vote by promoting the same "death tax" lie that the Republicans have used to scare rural voters away from their Democratic heritage.  And he's using the party's money to do it!

I'm sorry, I want to like Ben Nelson, but I'm tired of being let down.  He has enormous political talent, I just wish that he would use it for some good: take a few risks every once and a while.  I'm positive that he could convince people if he'd just say that "While I support and value traditional marraige, I can't bring myself to support this amendment," or "The estate tax is a non-issue, why don't we invest in a tax cut that would help all Nebraskans?"


by Ryan Anderson on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 07:14:40 PM EST
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Re: The future of red state Democrats (none / 0)

I understand how you feel -- and I agree with you on these positions.

I just think with Nelson, we just have to accept him for the most part, and cajole him where possible.  Not necessarily like him, just work with pragmatically where possible.

For the future, however, you are right.
There are good progressives in Nebraska who can win, and they can be accepted.  It will take work, but it can happen.

Going to back to Nelson, since I live in Texas and am stuck with Hutchinson and Cornyn, a guy like Nelson would be a godsend.  Maybe that explains my easy-going view.


by v2aggie2 on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 10:05:09 PM EST
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Ya'all forgot about William Jennings Bryan (none / 0)

William Jennings Bryan the best Nebraska Progressive Populist Democrat ever. Except the creationism thing and the eighteenth amendment. More here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_jen nings_bryan
Anyway I'll check my checking account after the fundraiser on Thursday. Then if anything is left after I contribute from 200-20 bucks to around a dozen candidates and BlogPac. I'll contribute.

Joe Biden for President! Wes Clark for Secretary of Defense!
by Joshua Sperati on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 01:41:40 AM EST

Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

Ryan, you didn't tell us Scott is such a pin-up boy! I just came here from Politics1 where they're voting on the "hottest man in politics" and your guy is winning. Not that beating that Thune-from-another-galaxy is all that big an accomplishment. But there's a tight race between Kleeb and a city councilman from Albuquerque.

I'm sure you're aware that Nelson's Progressive Punch score is dead last among Democrats and, at 48.29, the only Democrat below 70. In fact his voting pattern is closer to 4 Republicans' than it is to any Democrat's. I don't want to put you on the spot here-- really-- but would you venture a guess (and obviously all it could be is a guess) about where Kleeb would fall Progressive Punch-wise if he got swept into office by a Democratic tsumani in November?


by DownWithTyranny on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 01:50:08 AM EST

Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

Lots of Republicans in the single digits!

Think of it this way, though

Hagel is 7.10
Nelson is 48.29

Well, 48.29 is nothing to write home about.
But it is a hell of a lot better than 7.10


by v2aggie2 on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 02:03:08 AM EST
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Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

Where would Kleeb rank?  I really can't tell you, because he's been campaigning largely on local issues that -while they certaintly demonstrate the difference between Kleeb, who says he's a Democrat "because my grandparent's had electricity on their family farm" and Smith, who thinks everyone would be better if government just stayed the hell away- well, they're not exactly the kind of issues that today serve as partisan benchmarks.

I'd say that he's not likely to score very high, of course, because if elected he would be serving the most conservative electorate of any Democrat currently in Congress (NE-03 is more Republican than Nebraska as a whole, it's even more Republican than Chet Edward's TX-17).  From what I've heard hims ay, my guess is that he'd probably fall somewhere between Edwards' 68% and Nelson's 48%, but I'm certain that the gulf between him and the radically conservative Adrian Smith would be considerable.  

Like I say in my post, Kleeb might not be campaigning on hot-button issues like the war, gay rights or abortion, but he has built a campaign of contrast on issues like the environment and energy, and I believe he has the potential to help the push towards getting that rural vote back under the Democratic fold.


by Ryan Anderson on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 03:24:03 AM EST
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Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

That "grandparent's" quote is actually a paraphrase.  It's from part of his stump speech, where he explains that the Democratic party stands for a government that invests in the people, and calls back to our New Deal heritage and the like.  But I can't remember exactly how it goes.


by Ryan Anderson on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 03:25:34 AM EST
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Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

Thanks for the straight-forward answer, Ryan. My concern, of course, is that although he may not be campaigning on the hot button issues, like the Iraq war, abortion and gay rights, he'll have to vote of them. Are you asking progressives who want to back leaders who will help lead public opinion away from bigotry, fear, and hatred to contribute scarce cash to someone who will be another vote to back Bush's horrific agenda of war against Iraq, war against American workers and consumers and war against American minorities like gays, Blacks and Hispanics? I'm sure Kleeb would be a lot better than Smith but if he votes along with the crowd that would make gays second class citizens, how-- in the end-- is he really any different from Smith (other than Smith doing it with gusto and Kleeb doing it with a guilty conscience)? Is a gay man supposed to donate to his campaign because he'll keep the electricity grid on in rural Nebraska-- so the kooks in the district can stay up late and watch Ann Coulter on TV and become even more bigoted and hateful?


by DownWithTyranny on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 09:17:25 AM EST
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Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

Mon ami, I share some of your concerns. I haven't thrown any actual weight or money into Kleeb's campaign. Yet. And for the reasons you cite.

I suppose the grand strategy take on it would be:

1) NE-03 may never again in our lifetimes be an open seat with a credible Democrat running for it;

2) The Republican who won the primary this time is Club-for-Growth backed, so may be even worse than the usual GOP candidate from NE-03 (if that's possible);

3) tipping NE-03 would add to the margin we need to tip. Chant the usual mantra: Speaker Pelosi, Committee chairperson Slaughter, etc. etc.

That said, I'm on the fence beside you as to whether to devote personal resources backing a candidate who seems to be pretty far to my right (though he may be an outstanding match for his district).
There are so many races.  One can't actively back every Democrat running for office.  


by Christopher Walker on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 10:47:35 AM EST
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Re: Scott Kleeb and the future of red state Democr (none / 0)

The battle for gay rights is not one that's going to be won in the sixth most conservative district in the United States.  Nor is the battle to get our troops out of Iraq, nor the battle for abortion rights, etc.  I assure you that Kleeb is a leader, but in order to be an effective leader, you must have followers.  And there just aren't enough bodies in the district willing to follow Kleeb into these progressive victories on issues that, for the most part, are pretty abstract and irrelevant to their daily lives.

I do believe that the battle for economic justice can be won in this district, and I think that's one fight where we'll see Kleeb leading the way and the rural vote (hesitantly, at first, but then triumphantly) following him.  This is where he seems to be heading now, although I'm sure he won't have the most progressive position on all economic issues he does appear to take the idea of a government investing in the greater good very seriously, and he's been quite vocally campaigning on that idea to seperate himself from his 'no taxes-no spending" opponent.  

I do think that all progressive (and all conservative, for that matter) positions are idealogically compatible, so I do believe that once you start winning over people on progressive economics you will open up the gates to start talking to them about social issues.  Maybe not for a generation or two, but we have the oppurtunity to get this ball rolling now.  Like I said in my post, Kleeb isn't just right for today, he's right for tommorrow.  He's the kinda guy that could give us a foothold inside the most heavily fortified Republican strongholds.  Giving some spare change his way won't stop the next Alito or the next FMA-style vote.  But it will put us on the path to a far more progressive rural America, and that -to me- is a far more important matter.


by Ryan Anderson on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 02:14:54 PM EST
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On Getting a Democratic Majority (none / 0)

Obviously, Kleeb isn't going to be very liberal. However, does that really matter?

What matters here is getting a majority in the House - and the bigger the majority, the better. Once we have that majority, we can put him in a committee where he'd be well-suited, such as on a committee dealing with rural areas, farms or education (areas that seem to be his specialty).

We'll skip putting him on areas that effect abortion, the war in Iraq, etc. etc. etc.

The more Democrats in Congress, over all, the more liberal Congress will be - because it means our congressional leaders will be in charge and, quite honestly, be in a position to make the less liberal members vote in favor of policies that they may not necessarily agree with.

So, as a gay, anti-war, pro-choice voter - I'd certainly be voting (enthusiastically) for Kleeb over his Club-for-Growth opponent. Since I'm a broke college student, I'm not even going to THINK of sending money his way... but he sure has my support.

Oh, and the fact that he's the hottest guy running for office since JFK doesn't hurt either =p


~Ryan
by Ryepower12 on Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 03:05:40 PM EST


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