Senator Clinton's Grumpy Old Man Strategy

I found the video game violence and flag burning nonsense from Senator Clinton pretty annoying, but this is over the top.

In remarks to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce convention recently, the senator from New York lashed out at young people who she said were growing up in a culture of instant gratification.

"They don't know what work is," she claimed. "They think work is a four-letter word."

And what was it like for Mrs. Clinton? She'll be happy to tell you: "You know, I grew up in a home with one TV set, and we didn't get that right off the bat," she explained. According to Mrs. Clinton, this "improved your negotiating skills because you had to argue about what channel you were going to watch, even though there were only three."

Well, I also grew up in a home with one TV set. And there were only three channels in my house, too. And we also argued about what to watch. So what?

That's the way it was for just about everyone at that time and place in the life of our country. But it's not like that anymore. And hasn't been for a long time.

Mrs. Clinton seems to be suffering from that demographic epidemic called "boomer-geezeritis."

When they're not getting liposuction or trying to have their crow's feet removed or going deaf at a Stones concert, America's windy, bloated, tiresome baby boomers are now whining about overindulged young people.

The former first lady has blamed cable TV, high-speed Internet, cell phones and iPods for creating a culture that "really argues against hard work" and makes today's kids lazy. She says "kids, for whatever reason, think they're entitled to go right to the top with $50,000 or $75,000 jobs when they have not done anything to earn their way up."

I frankly can't imagine whose kids Mrs. Clinton is talking about.

She certainly isn't talking about her own kid, Chelsea, who didn't have to settle for $50,000 or even $75,000 in her first job but sailed into a consulting gig right out of school, reportedly for a six-figure salary. Ironically, mom still had to apologize to Chelsea for these remarks, telling her daughter, "I just wanted to set the bar high." What a joke!

In fact, Mrs. Clinton should have apologized to all the non-Chelseas in America: the millions of young adults who get little or nothing handed to them.

I've thought for awhile that Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate, not because she's a bad person but because she's been cocooned since 1993 in a cloud of advisors.  These comments about youth, who are clearly the voting group that Democrats need to create a long-term governing majority, suggest just that.

There are 75 million Americans born in the 1980s and 1990s, which is a quarter of the US population.  The youth voting group is the ONLY group in which Democrats gained votes percentage-wise from 2000 to 2004.  It is the only reliably Democratic voting block in terms of age cohort.  Now let's leave aside the woeful underinvestment in young people by progressive groups.  And let's leave aside the consistent 'I'm not going after young people because they don't vote' refrain from the consultantocracy.  And let's leave aside the general disdain for the young volunteers that make campaigns happen.  

These comments by Hillary Clinton, which I'm sure are widespread, don't make any of these arguments.  This is just pure unadulterated hatred of young people.  

Matthew Yglesias, Ezra Klein, and Atrios are all pointing out that the notion that young people must face a cold hard world through some sort of a brutal awakening is weird and out of place.  I would add that this next generation has grown up with public spaces in which to interact, which I never really did.  These spaces are on the internet, and weird stuff happens there.  But while there's some bad stuff online, like child predators, this isn't strictly new (see the priesthood).  What is new is that there is now a giant space for kids to form relationships, build their own personality, play with social rules, learn and tinker, form and manage communities, fight and settle arguments, and experience the ability to exert some control over their lives and surroundings.  This is what politics is.  They know how to do it already, and they are turning on to the political process.  You can see it in the pop culture if you're looking.

Regardless, it doesn't really matter.  Hating your most vital voting block is dumb.  



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Re: Senator Clinton's Grumpy Old Man Strategy (3.00 / 1)

It's the eternal complaint.  In college I read something where the Sumerians were making the same complaints about their kids.  That's as far back as writing goes.  In the words of "Bye, Bye Birdie":

Why can't they be like we were
Perfect in every way
What's the matter with kids, today

And for at least 6,000 years it's nonsense.


by David Kowalski on Fri May 26, 2006 at 12:45:35 PM EST

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Chelsea was also offended by her mother's comment and told her so. Sen Clinton acknowledged she was wrong and apologized. But I guess that doesn't fit too well with your premis, does it?


by phillydem on Fri May 26, 2006 at 12:53:12 PM EST

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Actually, it does.  Do you have a link?


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 26, 2006 at 12:53:48 PM EST
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Ok, I read her 'apology'.  

She just said that she's pushing young people, showing a little tough love or something.  


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 26, 2006 at 12:59:07 PM EST
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But she doesn't have to parrot Heritage Foundation (3.00 / 1)

and AEI talking points when she does it, though. And her blatantly political motives are transparent in her desire to appeal to centrist "values voters".

It's not so much about what she says or does but why she says or does it. Voters along the entire political spectrum will see right through her.

Unlike her politically brilliant husband and his otherwise immensely unbrilliant successor, she does not possess the gift of being able to fool people easily or effectively, and her insincere and unprincipled pandering will only come back to haunt her.

It's nice that she apologized, but someone on her level would have been smart enough to not make such a clumsy mistake in the first place. She is politically tone deaf, making her unfit to be president IMO.

If she stands any chance of winning the nomination and presidency, she needs to take a good hard look in the mirror and figure out who she really is and what she really stands for, and then be honest and open about it, even if it costs her votes on the right (and which she was never likely to get anyway).

These days, I really have no idea who Hillary Clinton really is.


by kovie on Sat May 27, 2006 at 03:04:26 AM EST
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It was a story that ran on yahoo news- she did appologize for the comment, but I don't have a link. Basically I am not sure of the apology matters b/c truthfully its about mind set of boomers rather than offending younger voters. Her thinking in a lot of way is regurgitating issues which were important when her husband ran in 1992, but which now have less saliency. I think the big danger she faces is not only left versus right, but relevancy to issues that people actually face. That, as you say, she is trapped in some altaverse bubble like George Bush Sr seemed to be trapped in when he ran in 1992 (ie, the price of milk incident). Here, I wonder does she understand why a lot of people want to make more money? it's not as simple as she says - part of the reason is that people are coming out with a lot more student loans. Regardless of her apology- does she understand this. If the democrats want to capture this generation they had better starting understanding the economic squeeze being put on people in this age range.


by bruh21 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:02:54 PM EST
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that's exactly right


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:13:45 PM EST
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"It was a story that ran on yahoo news- she did appologize for the comment"

Hillary only apologized to Chelsea for her remarks. As far as Hill's concerned, the insult still stands for everyone else.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:08:35 PM EST
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To me, she almost has to pander to the plugged-colon set. Anything she opines or does between now and November 2008 that bears even the faintest whiff of "liberalism" (and somehow speaking well of our nation's future leader's is "liberal") is going to be construed by the blowhards as a sign that she's unelectable.

She's been hanging around with those in the DLC who counsel color-by-numbers politics for too long. Instead of running a campaign by stringing reflexively anti-liberal Sistah Souljah moments together, maybe she'd be better served by throwing a tantrum against inside the box consultants and conventional commentators.

Oh, and she disclosed her "apology" to Chelsea at a college commencement address. Talk about blowing smoke up the keister of whoever your audience is at the moment.


by KevStar on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:35:13 PM EST
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Democrats really, really need to shed their pinhead, neo-luddite, statist, moralizer, pro-censorship, geezer caucus.  #1 and #2 on that list are Holy Joe and HRC.

The whole videogame thing is especially irritating. Even though the game industry voluntarily created a rating system, and very few game stores will sell inappropriate games to minors, we still get regular sermons from these jokers about how violent games are turning our kids into killers. Never mind that it's not supported by the evidence (or that the evidence actually points in the OPPOSITE direction), but implicit is the assumption that most gamers are kids!

Reality check: the average gamer just turned 30! Kids haven't been the primary market for video games since the Atari 2600 was state-of-the art. Have these dopes been in a bubble for 20 years?


by fwiffo on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:03:38 PM EST

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You don't diss someone's kids, and you don't diss a kid's parents.  I thought everyone knew that.

I think we should hook the Senator up with Peter,  from the Peter Principle. </snark>


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:10:58 PM EST

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It's too bad the netroots didn't challenge Hillary as it is Lieberman. It's no wonder she has such contempt for liberals when she gets a free pass from them -- even though she's sided with Bush on the big issues of our day as much as MoJoe.

But she'll be nominated by the NY convention next week. Sigh.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:39:04 PM EST

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I know.  Sigh.


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:42:23 PM EST
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Anyway, young people ARE experiencing a hard, brutal awakening: student loans!


by Dmitri in San Diego on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:47:57 PM EST

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Not just student loans:

a) cost of healthcare
b) a generational issue regarding who and entering and leaving job force- boomers staying later meaning less for younger workers
c) deminishing returns on educational dollar- which is not just issue of loans, but what one can do with credentials in the job market- she assumes these people are whining about having to work the way up the ladder (which may have been true of a subset during the dot com bubble). People are complaining that they are having to take positions far below their credentials. that's a different argument.


by bruh21 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:57:26 PM EST
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Yes, exactly!


by Dmitri in San Diego on Fri May 26, 2006 at 05:20:41 PM EST
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by Dmitri in San Diego on Fri May 26, 2006 at 01:48:07 PM EST

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I have to say in the way of tepid support that I, in my mid-20s, don't know a single one of my peers who works hard at their job.  It's hardly scientific and I'll be the first to admit that I run with a fair share of burnouts and drunks, but nevertheless, I can't think of a single person that I went to high school with that's working hard by choice.  Make of it what you will.


by Lucas O'Connor on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:00:36 PM EST

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good for them- a lot of wish we had the "option" of not working 60 hour weeks.


by bruh21 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:55:17 PM EST
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Exactly. I'm not making value judgements one way or the other, just stating my admittedly unscientific experience.  I wouldn't suggest that it automatically be extrapolated to reflect an entire generation, but it is, as far as I can tell, reflective of a notable chunk of people who post rants on craigslist all day and spend significant chunks of their workhours reading and posting on blogs.

Shifting gears a bit, I thought that people who had it "rough" as a kid (as Senator Clinton apparently did) worked hard so that their kids wouldn't have to deal with such hardship.  Wouldn't lazy kids then be the natural success story at the end of that process, since their parents achieved a point in which their kids don't have to worry about working hard?  Just sayin, perhaps the good Senator wants to examine why she pulled herself up by the bootstraps as it were.


by Lucas O'Connor on Fri May 26, 2006 at 04:35:02 PM EST
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sen clinton didn'thave it hard- she grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth. this is in part a discussion of class.


by bruh21 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 04:47:04 PM EST
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sen clinton didn'thave it hard- she grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth. this is in part a discussion of class.


by bruh21 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 04:47:12 PM EST
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The tongue-in-cheek part didn't come through as I had intended.


by Lucas O'Connor on Fri May 26, 2006 at 05:22:44 PM EST
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yeah hard to read tone online


by bruh21 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 07:10:52 PM EST
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My Sick of Baby Boomers Rant (3.00 / 3)

Ok, I'm gonna rant. My apologies in advance to those Baby Boomers who are the exception to the rule.

My Rant:

I'm sick and tired of know-it-all Baby Boomers. This generation was the MOST, self-indulgent, self-absorbed, self-centered, selfish, self-anythingyoucanthinkof generation in modern world history.

And they still are.

They still pride themselves on their self-obsessed youth so much that they can't deal with getting old, and so they channel their jealousy at young people into condescension.

Their parents are clueless old fuddy-duddies and their kids are clueless incompetents, if you took their word for it.

And guess what? This generation makes up the bulk of the politicians, strategists, consultants, etc. in BOTH parties. The Baby Boomers on the Left are the ones directly responsible for the decline of the Liberal Movement. The Baby Boomers on the Right are the ones responsible for running this country into the ground. And these people think they can lecture us? Or anyone else for that matter?

Hey Baby Boomers, go take your walkers to the next Rolling Stones concert, getting out of the way the process. You guys clearly can't run things. Let us do it. We can't do any worse than you guys have.


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by LiberalFromPA on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:13:12 PM EST

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I was born in '57, so I gues that makes me a boomer of sorts. And I must concur that, judging by the lousey people who have been running this country for the past 25 years, WE BLEW IT -- big time.

Can we redeem ourselves? Stay tuned.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:43:19 PM EST
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I was also born in 1957. sorry.

But HEY! I'm far from using a walker and the last concert I went to was Billy Joel 23 years ago.


by Mary Mary on Sat May 27, 2006 at 09:47:20 AM EST
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Well, under boomer prez Bill Clinton we has peace & prosperity.  But, yes, the last 6 years does support your thesis.  And yes, if I gotta be somewhere with my walker a Stones concert would be a gas, gas, gas...


by howardpark on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:18:03 PM EST
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Grumpy Old Man Strategy, Phase 2 (none / 0)

Unnamed sources close to the Senator tell me that her next step in the Grumpy Old Man Strategy will be to introduce legislation forcing the networks to bring back "Matlock."


by KernBlue on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:17:52 PM EST

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truly a national emergency


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 26, 2006 at 04:31:35 PM EST
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Hillary only apologized to Chelsea..... (none / 0)

CNN

Everyone else is still waiting for theirs.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Fri May 26, 2006 at 02:34:10 PM EST

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I'm going to go out on a very short limb and conclude that none of the posters here have kids.


by Disputo on Fri May 26, 2006 at 05:03:52 PM EST

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You'd be wrong.


by redstar67 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 10:40:14 PM EST
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IPod's are causing the death of the younger generation? That may be true, but during a recent high-profile campaign, we had one UVA freshman who would sit at a computer for hours listening to an IPod.  Never mind that she was able to do incredible amounts of data entry, which not only helped our own campaign, but will also help with races in the future. I'd say that is a fine use of an IPod.  

And cell phones? All of our young volunteers had them, of course.  Which was great, because they were able to make phone calls on their cell phones leaving the land lines open for all those, um, baby boomers.


by Dan Kachur on Fri May 26, 2006 at 06:12:44 PM EST

Why this thread is...... (3.00 / 1)

Hey, ain't this great. One of the lousiest politicians on the national scene sticks her foot so far in her mouth it's sticking out from under her dress and what so we get here in the 'blogosphere'. B.S about so and so is like this...no we're not...yes you are...no, we're like this...neener...neener...neener.

Hillary is useless absolutely useless. And...she ain't a fan of anybody who don't have lots and lots and lots and lost of cash. Money. Dough. Da moolah.

That leaves everybody here out. O.U.T. of the running.

And to take her 'speech' seriously enough to start discussing her 'perspective' is just two things:

Pathetic...

And stupid.

Even stupider than she is.


by Pericles on Fri May 26, 2006 at 07:32:18 PM EST

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So very well put.


by redstar67 on Fri May 26, 2006 at 10:41:25 PM EST
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With Democrats like Hillary, who needs Repubs? (3.00 / 2)

Hillary is a perfect example of the old fable about a dog with a bone in its mouth that, passing by a pond and seeing its reflection and thinking that it's another dog with a bone, lunges at it and ends up losing both.

Politically speaking, Hillary has become quite the dog in how she treats her natural allies and supporters. Not only has she turned her back on them and on her principles (assuming she ever had any) and is thus at very serious risk of losing both, but she's pandering to a group of people who can see right through her and who will never, ever embrace her.

She will lose both, like that stupid dog. Except, unlike that dog, she should be smart enough to know better, yet chooses to not be--yet another reason to not support her.

What's that saying down south, that you have to dance with them that brung ya?

Sorry Hillary, you're going to have to find your own way home, as we're about to stand you up.


by kovie on Sat May 27, 2006 at 02:55:30 AM EST


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