Stuart Rothenberg Grows Frustrated With Democracy

Thirdparty already has a diary on this subject, but I have to pile on here. Seriously, for an election analyst, Stuart Rothenberg does not seem to actually like elections very much. Look at this passage from his column today (emphasis mine):

Lieberman's crime is that he hasn't always toed the party line. He's decided for himself what's right and wrong, even -- and here is the most shocking thing -- used his own values, judgment and intellect to decide where he stands on issues and how he'll vote.

Lamont's criticism has resonated with some Democrats around the state and online. The war is unpopular with Democrats in Connecticut, as it is elsewhere, and many voters are unhappy with Lieberman's general support of President Bush's Iraq policy.

It doesn't seem to matter to those angry Democrats, or to Lamont, that Lieberman is widely respected for his thoughtfulness, integrity, civility and intellect.
Rothenberg praises Lieberman for using his own judgment and voting his conscience. However, just two paragraphs later, he criticizes Democrats in Connecticut and elsewhere who are using their own judgment and conscience in deciding that they do not want Lieberman to represent them. Instead of being allowed, and indeed respected, for using their own judgment, values and intellect in turning away from Lieberman, they are supposed to vote for him because other people (such as Fox News talk show hosts) supposedly respect Lieberman for his "thoughtfulness, integrity, civility and intellect."

This is downright elitist and undemocratic. Everyone, not just Joe Lieberman, is allowed to use their own judgment when voting, including the many people in Connecticut who have decided to not vote for Joe Lirberman. Rothenberg continues:
Everyone has his or her opinion about the worthiness of each of these challenges, and there is no right answer about when a Member of Congress has proved to be so "independent" that he or she deserves to be defeated in a primary. But there certainly ought to be a place in our political system for someone like Lieberman. His defeat, unlikely as it may be, would be a sad, sad chapter in American politics.
Rothenberg is just flat wrong when he says there "is no right answer about when a Member of Congress has proved to be so "independent" that he or she deserves to be defeated in a primary." The right answer, for anyone who believes in democracy, is never. No one ever has the right to hold office simply because he has voted a certain way, or because s/he has demonstrated a certain level of independence. The only reason anyone has the right to hold any elected office in America is because s/he was elected to that office.

Stuart Rothenberg is supposed to be a political analyst who does not take sides. However, in this case, he clearly has taken sides, both against Ned Lamont and against democracy. He repeats tired old lines about the left being "angry," and about Lamont challenge in Connecticut being based almost entirely on the war. Like so many other pro-Lieberman pundits, he continues to ignore that one of the main reasons behind the primary challenge to Lieberman arises not just from his many conservative views (pro-CAFTA and NAFTA, pro-bankruptcy bill, pro-energy bill, anti-emergency contraception, etc), but also from his willingness to repeat Republican talking points about Democrats in major news outlets. In fact, Ned Lamont told me personally that the straw that broke the camel's back when he was deciding whether or not to run was Lieberman's November 2005 diatribe in the Wall Street Journal that directly implied anyone who criticizes President Bush on the war was hurting the troops. That article was perhaps the best possible demonstration of why so many Democrats are using their own intellects, values, judgment and voting rights to support Ned Lamont. Democratic primary voters have values too, and we also have self-respect. We do not like electing people who write opinion columns in major right-wing news outlets supporting a war that we do not want to see continued and then telling us that making our opinion public on that matter is damaging to our soldiers. If we liked that sort of thing, we would be Republicans, and it is our right as Democrats and as Americans to discontinue voting for elected officials who regularly act in such a manner. However, as much as Stuart Rothenberg would like it to be otherwise, Joe Lieberman has no right to continue to hold office simply because he is willing to give the middle finger to the same people who elected him in the first place.

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Rothenberg (none / 0)

Certainly comes off as someone who is working for a candidate in this piece. It's pretty distateful.

I have no problem with the view that people elect their representatives to do what the rep. thinks is right (the authoritative father figure) rather than as a mouthpiece, but this is ridiculous. How else do we find out except by primaries and election what the people want their rep to be and do?


by MNPundit on Mon May 22, 2006 at 02:43:49 PM EST

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Lordy,

Politics is a long long long football game.  For an old fart like me, we're starting to see the fruits of something that's been building for decades.  Obviously it made me campaign for Dean, but it also made me support Nader before him, and Perot before him, and Jerry Brown before him, and John Anderson before HIM.

OK, so Perot turned out to be weak, and Nader let his vengeance blind him to the realities of politics...but still all of them, at one point had their heart in the same place that Ned Lamont has his.  GO NED!


by surrendering on Mon May 22, 2006 at 03:14:36 PM EST

Anointed by Power (none / 0)

See the right wing top-down view of society in full glory here.

Once somebody has been anointed into Power - by inheritance, Supreme Court, or even those distasteful elections - they have to be respected forever and ever.

Challenging them shows bad faith, even asking pesky questions is impertinent (as our media demostrates daily).

Little people should know their place.


by kvenlander on Mon May 22, 2006 at 03:40:33 PM EST

Re: Stuart Rothenberg (3.00 / 1)

I think this is about branding. That is once people come to a conclusion they are hard pressed to change the course that they are on. In 2000, the branding was that Gore was a fibber so the press, the opinion makers and the political establishment looked for ways to reinforce the mem that he was a fibber. The right has its reason for branding us as they do, but I think what we miss is so do people who are either suppose to be neutral or suppose to be our allies. The truth is the present generation in control now, whether its in the media, like Cohen tirade, or this guy, or HRC with knee jerk triangulation on such life and death issues a flag burning- grew up with certain truths that were redefined for them in the 80s. On a certain level- it makes sense since as one gets older one becomes more precautious so they were coming into their political own at a time when Democrat was Satan, and "liberal" was a dirty word worst than any 4 letter word imaginable. They built up defenses, ways of thinking, and beliefs based on what they had to go through. They gained power by understanding the world in these terms. I believe you and the rest of the progressive blog have an incredible fight ahead of you that is going to test your idealism. You are asking people to change several decades of received and believed common wisdom. They have greater faith in this wisdom than any reality based on facts that you could bring to bear. There is the extra weight that they are also motivated by keeping the fiefdom and power that they have. Everytime I see a post like yours- I think- maybe there is this disconnect by you about just how right you are in your criticism. It's almost like you are surprised and want to continually correct them for their incorrect beliefs. But how do you convince a blind man to see? Think of their belief system as being as factual as anything you can muster because for them "its true on its face.
I am sure this person didn't think he was being anti democratic because he has been conditioned to think of democratic mavericks in one way - the conservative way. I think as has been said before that a lot of these people are stuck in the progressive of the 60s- really- what is "angry left" about other than retread of 60s references about the left? What was McCain and his staffers views of the criticism of his speech about other than fighting a devil and using language that he thinks people will recognize. ie, the angry left, The crazy left, the kooky left. Once they start there- you already know that you are fighting not about the topic at hand- you are fighting branding and the game of what they have spent their life times believing.
by bruh21 on Mon May 22, 2006 at 03:59:13 PM EST

Re: Stuart Rothenberg (none / 0)

For an example of how this plays out in the proposed policies of a current Democratic U.S. senate candidate click here.


by adamterando on Mon May 22, 2006 at 04:51:01 PM EST
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He's right though (none / 0)

There ought to be a place in politics for people like Joe Lieberman.  I submit that there is:  Nebraska.  Or Montana.  Or Tennessee.  Just not freakin' Connecticut.


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by ItsDrewMiller on Mon May 22, 2006 at 04:07:06 PM EST

Florida too (none / 0)

Seems dear old Joe is down there now looking for welfare contributions.

Miami Herald--Joe Lieberman still rakes in contributions


by Scarce on Mon May 22, 2006 at 04:58:25 PM EST
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Re: Florida too (none / 0)

I'd like to see Joe running for United States Senate wipe out Mel Martinez in 2010.  That would be a big improvement and give Lieberman something to do beyond all that shufflboard he's going to be starting in January.


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by ChetEdModerate on Mon May 22, 2006 at 06:29:59 PM EST
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Lieberman's "integrity" (none / 0)

It doesn't seem to matter to those angry Democrats, or to Lamont, that Lieberman is widely respected for his thoughtfulness, integrity, civility and intellect.

Oh yeah, it matters, because all Lieberman's "thoughtfulness, integrity, civility and intellect" seems to be REPUBLICAN "thoughtfulness, integrity, civility and intellect".


by William Domingo on Mon May 22, 2006 at 07:23:25 PM EST

Waste of Time (3.00 / 1)

Just think of all the extra time statesmen like Joe Lieberman would have to solve the problems of the nation and the world without these pesky, time consuming and expensive elections.  OK, its traditional to have an election every other Novermber but a primary challenge of an incumbent??  Isn't there a law against that?  An executive order? something to keep good old Joe from having to waste his time somewhere north of the beltway?


by howardpark on Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:31:01 PM EST

Re: Waste of Time (3.00 / 1)

By the way, I can understand a primary election against an incumbent if there was like rumors of a sex scandel or something really important like that...but for supporting a failed war?  How childish and stupid to bother Joe about a little ol' war!


by howardpark on Mon May 22, 2006 at 08:38:23 PM EST
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Re: Waste of Time (none / 0)

If you meant it was a waste of time complaining that Beltway pundits are doing what we've accused them of doing a thousand times before, I'd agree with you!

I can't work out Chris and Matt's tone of pained surprise at these, as if discovering that some idol of theirs had feet of clay.

Whereas, of course, these boys are clay right through, and pretty slippery and mucky clay it is too.

The lefty sphere has complained about this umpteen times. (What with the talkers, and the scribes like AdNag, and so on.)

And still manages to be surprised when they show it again!

(Surely they can't be thinking that civilians read this stuff - guys who are actually susceptible of a Damascene conversion to the evils of MSM?)


by skeptic06 on Tue May 23, 2006 at 08:47:44 AM EST
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This is beautiful. (none / 0)

This kind of overreaction is beautiful.

Let Stu get it off his little chest.  It's sweet to watch.

We should hope for more of this, because this is what precedes a major change of attitude amongst the media.  Right now, the media has its own idea of what it means to be a Democrat/liberal (see Chris's later diary), and that idea doesn't include the vast part of the American Democratic public that oppose this war and spineless shills like Liebermann.  So let the world collapse on poor Stu, and others who may also be struggling to find some way to work what is happening into their world view.  


by Dumbo on Tue May 23, 2006 at 05:20:01 AM EST

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