Lieberman Spinners and the Moveon Primary

David NYC is right on the money.  Lieberman's people are predicting a 30-35% delegate grab by Ned Lamont.  This is a clear expectations raising game.  I would be surprised if Lamont gets that much, but if he does, boy is Lieberman in trouble.  My guess is that Lamont will get between 5-15%.  The number isn't important because the Lamont campaign has always bet on getting signatures rather than delegates for obvious strategic reasons (the more voter contacts the better).

These party conventions are completely insider events.  The votes are basically rigged, with chits cashed before the convention starts.  Lamont isn't an elected official, so he doesn't have a great shot at getting a lot of delegates.  Or to put it another way, that he's able to get delegates at all is proof of just how badly Lieberman has screwed up.  And Lieberman keeps making political mistakes, apparently going back on his word to Reid and Schumer by failing to rule out running as an Independent.  I'm not 100% sure that the reporter is quoting Lieberman after he made the promise to Reid, but it does look that way.  I'd put a call in to the Lieberman office to find out, but he doesn't talk to bloggers.

The convention, which I'll be attending, is going to be fun.  What I'm really interested in is the Moveon primary, which takes place next week.  That's when insiders aren't in control, and when Lieberman can't call chits and use his formidable political clout.  That's next week.

It's going to be a fun and bumpy ride.



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This is a truly historic event, like LBJ facing stiff oppositon in '68.  Its pretty rare that an incumbent with the time and spotlight of Lieberman faces such strong opposition from within his party, while enjoying broad support in the GOP.


Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:04:55 PM EST

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"The whole blogosphere is watching"

...

"Though your brother's bound and gagged
And they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Hartford
Just to sing

In a land that's known as freedom
How can such a thing be fair
Won't you please come to Hartford
For the help we can bring

We can change the world -
Re-arrange the world
It's dying - to get better"


by aldon on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:21:42 AM EST
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Honestly, what reason do we have to believe that you're not driving down expectations? Everybody does it.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:41:26 PM EST

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I honestly don't have a very good idea what's going to happen, but I'm also not an official representative of a campaign.  


by Matt Stoller on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:33:54 PM EST
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I am a staffer on Ned's campaign and it sure looks to me like anyone who says they have a very good idea of what's going on is full of it.

With the convention being moved to starting Friday night, it is less clear who will get there in time for the vote, who will be sending proxies, etc.  With a credential fight still going, it is still unclear who some of the delegates will be.

With lots of last minute meetings going on trying to switch delegates or get various committees to require their delegates to vote one way or another, even the best counts are suspect.

Yes, it does help the Lamont campaign if people expect Ned to get around 15% of the delegates and it does help the Lieberman campaign if the expectations are higher.

So, my hope is that we get the 15% to get on the ballot.  It will make next week a little easier for me.  I would love to see us get even more than that.  It will make the next couple of months easier.

Most importantly, I hope we get people to pay close attention, to visit nedlamont.com, view some of the videos, and spread the word to all your friends, neighbors and relatives.


by aldon on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:33:10 AM EST
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I'll see you there Matt.


by ATalbot on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:42:40 PM EST

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Absolutely


by Matt Stoller on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:34:15 PM EST
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I look forward to seeing both of you there, as well as a lot of other great CT bloggers.


by aldon on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:34:02 AM EST
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I'm still for Joe...


The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Thu May 18, 2006 at 09:21:22 PM EST

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Me too! I love a good cup of Joe while I discuss what a schmuck that Lieberman guy is.


by ElitistJohn on Thu May 18, 2006 at 11:26:44 PM EST
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Matt, simply citing yourself is not a source.  There was never any credible report that Joe made a deal with Reid to stay in the Democratic party in exchange for his endorsement.

You only alleged that a deal was made.  Why?  Because you insisted that Joe was going to jump ship any day now.  So when it didn't happen, you had to come up with another story to explain why you were wrong.

You could have just said "Gee, maybe Joe wont jump, maybe I was a bit ahead of myself there."  You know, like you did when you admitted that the rumormongering over Karl Rove's "iminent indictment" was a mistake?


by JPhurst on Thu May 18, 2006 at 11:43:12 PM EST

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Matt, simply citing yourself is not a source.  There was never any credible report that Joe made a deal with Reid to stay in the Democratic party in exchange for his endorsement.

Once again, a source close to Reid told me that this was the case.  He could have been wrong.  I don't know.  I forwarded him the Courant article and he's looking into it.

You are free to question my motives, that's fine.  I'm just being honest with you.


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:54:26 AM EST
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We endorsed Lamont tonight at out DTC meeting. Unanimously. I don't want to drive up expectations for Friday Night but I'm a MoveOn guy and I am a party member. Matt you may know a thing or two about the delegate count that I don't know, but nobody rigged our vote. Or the votes of ALL the surrounding towns out here in the "Quiet Corner" of NE CT. Get ready for the quiet corner to roar tomorrow night when we all vote for Ned Lamont. And nobody bought our votes or gave us any chits. We are the real Democrats on the ground who fight for our party election after election.


If all politics is local- then it's time to support your local Democratic Town Committee.
by JJonMyDD on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:35:31 AM EST

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I know almost nothing about the delegate count.  Hopefully I'll see you at the convention.


by Matt Stoller on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:53:20 AM EST
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Lamont would be smart not to write off this convention.  Yes, these are party insiders, but they're also the party's biggest activists.  These are the people who'll be setting up phone banks, canvassing, and doing GOTV.  I hope Ned is devoting time to schmoze and lobby these folks.


by Dick Tuck on Fri May 19, 2006 at 05:23:04 AM EST

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Don't worry.  The Lamont team will be there in force.  If you are going to be at the convention, please stop by the Lamont tent.  We are having some great food brought in.

We've already gotten some great phone bankers, canvassers and GOTV gurus, but we are going to need to get even more.

http://nedlamont.com/page/signup

Even more importantly, Ned is running as a Democrat.  He is proud do be a Democrat and he wants all Democrats, no matter how inside or outside they are, to be proud that he is running as a Democrat.

When we get past the primary we are all going to need to be working together, not only on the Senate race, but also on the Governor's race and some very exciting congressional races.


by aldon on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:38:22 AM EST
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I dunno. My experience with party conventions (albeit in CO not CT) tells me that Lamont will probably do very well. These are party activists, remember, not average Joe blue collar Dems who are less likely to be interested in intraparty fights.

You guys are missing the big story of the day on Lamont-Lieberman, though, and that's money. Lamont released his financials (wow!) and in the same story it was noted that he raised a paltry $60k in April, plus $120k from his wallet. He had $350k on hand end of March, so combined with his burn rate and the placement of those ads this weekend I'd suggest he probably has less on hand now than he had March 31. There is NO WAY he can win this race unless he has the bucks to go on TV around mid-July. And right now, he has enough to go on for a couple days max.

When's he going to dump the $2-3 million of his own fortune that he needs to be competitive?


by ColoDem on Fri May 19, 2006 at 11:27:51 AM EST


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