Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble

There is a blogad buy from the Telecom companies on their new negative attack piece on net neutrality. I encourage bloggers who received the ad to link this to this blog post.

That's it.  Burn DC to the ground.  I got to my inbox yesterday and found yet another example of dishonest hackery from Mike McCurry's group on net neutrality and internet freedom.  This time it's a negative hit piece, backed by a massive blogad campaign.  The telcos, so you know, are spending millions of dollars a week on this fight.  This ad is an example of it, repeating the lie that the government had no role in the internet's success and that bloggers are a bunch of irresponsible rabble.

First, the childish and nasty tone of the McCurry ad (located at http://www.dontregulate.org) is ridiculous. The snapshot to left is from their flash ad and is supposed to represent the Save the Internet Coalition.  Look at it closely.  You see the sign 'I love Alyssa'?  That's meant to showcase the group as immature college hippies who don't know what we're talking about. Members of the Savetheinternet.com coalition like Tim Berners-Lee, Larry Lessig, Vint Cerf, and the American Library Association are experts in how knowledge flows and how the internet works.  They know this issue cold.  Tim is actually an architect of a key piece of the internet, that whole 'www' thing.  But I'm sure he's in this fight because he loves Alyssa and protesting, right?

McCurry and his flacks are pulling the ultimate insider move - calling the 600,000 people who have signed the petition and the thousands of bloggers who have written about this issue childish rabble and unfit for discourse. Way to go and insult 600,000 people, Mike McCurry! McCurry's company (ironically titled Grassroots Enterprises) sure knows the grassroots!

Serious, this is a totally clueless attempt to attack and discredit the grassroots and the blogs.  By coming out with a dishonest and destructive campaign that repeats every single reactionary attack on bloggers, McCurry and his ilk are revealing themselves as naively unprepared for the future.

Ok, now the substance. The ad makes a couple of claims. One, that web site operators don't pay for the internet. That is a lie. They pay massive sums of money for bandwidth, on the order of $10 billion last year alone. So does the public in tax subsidies for telecom companies, perhaps as high as $200 billion over the years (though it's hard to tell with all the mergers and weird accounting). Yes, that you read that right. Two, they claim they have never degraded a web site or service. Of course, executives for these companies are on record discussing their plans to do precisely that. The telco sponsored legislation would strip the FCC from being able to deal with degraded service or blocked web sites. Three, the telecom companies claim that net neutrality means intrusive government regulation. This claim is a bit harder to unpack, but it's worth following me here since what they are saying is in fact 180 degrees from the truth.

Here's the deal.  The internet has always had rules.  One of those rules is that even if you own a pipe, you're not allowed to tell people what they can put through that pipe.  You can't block web sites, you can't say 'don't stream video', and you can't dictate what people and can't say.  You do have to pay for the pipe you use; Google pays millions a month on one end, and millions of consumers pay smaller amounts ($20-$60) a month on the other.  But no one can tell you what you can do with those pipes.  It's very much the opposite of cable TV.  There are no gatekeepers, and that's by design.  This has created a highly competitive marketplace.

Through a series of regulatory decisions from 2002-2005, the FCC stripped these protections for broadband pipes.  Now telecom companies can do whatever they want, and they have basically announced business models that depend on their ability to turn the internet into a more cable-like service.  This new playground for them is tenous, because the FCC could at any point reverse themselves. To firm this up, the telecom companies want to legislate a change in the rules, stripping authority from the FCC to hold ISPs accountable for degrading service.

So that's what this is all about.

Now, in their ad campaigns, the telecoms are portraying something very different. They are trying to pretend that they don't want government regulating the internet. In fact, they just want to make sure that the rules that have worked for thirty years are stripped away so they can control it.

This was on full display at a lobbyist sponsored event I attended yesterday put on for community groups.  They asked me not to record it so I don't have verbatim transcripts, but let's just say it was a bunch of bad faith in fancy suits. Company flacks scaremongered about telemedicine and how it can't be reliably delivered unless you get rid of network neutrality and allow phone companies to control the innards of the internet.  They talked about how the government will somehow destroy the internet (even though the government did, you know, build the internet).  They implied that there will be no parental controls if Congress doesn't get rid of net neutrality.  They said if they don't get their way 'internet freedom will vanish forever'.  They said that the government doesn't regulate the internet yet you shouldn't worry because under their plan the FCC has authority to protect consumers from abusive behavior by telecoms on the internet, as if that's not a regulation.

I'm getting really tired of this. We're trying to discuss policy options on how to make the internet work. They are lying about us and what we're after. There is no debate here. What's remarkable is that this industry likes to pretend it's in a competitive marketplace when it receives billions of subsidies for network build-outs, as well as government franchises to eliminate competition. It literally profits from the public treasury while insulting the public with dishonest PR campaigns. I am beginning to think that these telecom companies and cable operators, with their billions in tax subsidies and monopoly franchises, want to see legislation that removes their government determined advantages. I mean why else would they treat the public as if we're stupid? Why else would they kick up this hornets nest and then insult us with hysterics? Why else would they call us rabble? If they really want competition, and that means no more assistance from the public treasury, maybe that's what they should get. If they really want a competitive broadband market, then maybe we should give it to them.

How does that sound, Mr. McCurry, grassroots internet expert?

UPDATE: Someone from Grassroots Enterprise emailed me and let me know that they have nothing to do with this campaign. Mike McCurry is on their board and used to be their CEO, but the company didn't build the site and didn't participate in the campaign.



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Not Aylssa (none / 0)

When I first looked at that cartoon I thought the sign said "I [love] Russia". I think the intent is to call us commies.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Sat May 13, 2006 at 01:50:25 PM EST

PS (none / 0)

I just asked my wife to look at the cartoon and read the sign and she said "We love Russia."

Good old fashioned Red baiting. McCurry or McCarthy -- what's the diff?


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Sat May 13, 2006 at 01:55:09 PM EST

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Well said, Matt.  It's the same old playbook they used for "Healthy Forests" and the rest of the claptrap.  

And hiding behind telemedicine and parental controls is really laughable.  These are the same type of people who make sure ads load before content.  The same type of people who try to charge users to filter out the spam someone is paying those same companies to send.  

If government regulation is so bad, how is regulation by robber barons better?
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by quixote on Sat May 13, 2006 at 02:53:33 PM EST

McCurry is not the problem here! (none / 0)

Anyone reading the FP net neutrality pieces here would come away with the impression that the real iniquity of the COPE bill is the fact that Mike McCurry is shilling for its supporters.

If you were the telcos, you'd do pretty much what they're doing. (Apart from hiring McCurry, natch.) Of course, they're deceiving and twisting and generally being dishonest. They're doing what they think they'll get away with to protect their, and their stockholders', interests.

And upsetting a bunch of bloggers with a childish and nasty tone isn't going to bother them.

And, if it is a totally clueless attempt to attack and discredit the grassroots and the blogs it won't succeed. Being totally clueless and all.

As for

We're trying to discuss policy options on how to make the internet work. They are lying about us and what we're after. There is no debate here.

- of course there's no debate: they're winning without one!

They think they got Congress taped. And the evidence seems to be favoring that analysis right now. Why would they want to endanger that with a debate?

Where some of their dodges and chicanes might actually get publicity. What's in it for them?

Is it a shock that the industry

literally profits from the public treasury while insulting the public with dishonest PR campaigns.

Isn't that what mega-corporations pay lobbyists millions to achieve?

The fact that the lefty sphere has (some of it) gone bananas about McCurry only goes to support the thesis that it is immature.

The best hope of stopping COPE this Congress is to try to promote Sensenbrenner's idea of hauling it into Judiciary, and to maximise the possibility of a conference stymie in reconciling COPE with Stevens' bill.

Boring compared to ragging on old Clintonians, I realize, but more likely to be effective - and kinder cardiologically, too!


by skeptic06 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 03:20:07 PM EST

Re: McCurry is not the problem here! (none / 0)

So let me get this straight -- it's just good business sense for the Telcos to call us commies in the media, but it's immature of us fight back in the media?

That sounds like the very kind of "Centrist" approach that has allowed Republicans to use Democrats as mute punching bags for over a decade.

Those days are gone -- at least here on the internet. They're not going to steal it from us without a fight in every sphere.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Sat May 13, 2006 at 03:44:58 PM EST
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Re: McCurry is not the problem here! (none / 0)

I think skeptic06 is right about what to focus on now, and its not McCurry, who is an unpleasant distraction who needs to be responded to on substance, not on matters of where his loyalties are--it distracts from the bigger issue, which is more important, can speak to a much broader base and is more focused on getting the job at hand done--either getting good law passed or avoiding having bad law passed (while also winning back the House and maybe even the Senate).

It looks like the Senate Judiciarcy Cmte may also want to get involved, which seems helpful in slowing down Stevens' bill, while the same thing looks like it might happen in the House.
http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/0015 42senate_judiciary_to_seek_telecom_juris diction.php

Does anyone know how it works in terms of Hastert responding to Sensenbrenner's request to have his Cmte get involved on the House side?  Can Hastert just blow him off, and is that likely?  Same question on the Senate side.  And is there anything the netroots can do to help the two Judiciary cmte's win the jurisdictional fight?  And is there a point in time where passage of a bill becomes extremely unlikely due to scheduling/elections?  

The hearing recently held on the House side was pretty pro-net neutrality, not only the witnesses, but also the members, which was encouraging.


by mitchipd on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:23:58 PM EST
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Re: McCurry is not the problem here! (none / 0)

The Austin-American reported last week that the GOAL of the telcos and their minions on the Hill is to pass a different bill in the Senate, get it into conference and gut it of any neutrality provisions behind closed doors.

It's not enough to stop the bill; the FCC regulatory change will stil take place. We have to pass a bill in both houses affirming net neutrality.

I've spoken, in person, with my senate and house staffers.  This issue is burgeoning.  The House person I spoke with said that they are getting more constituent contact over this issue than any other since the Iraq war.

It's an arcane issue, and our elected officials tend to be pen and paper type people, so there's a need for education.  What's really needed in the near term is to stall the senate process while that education happens. Matt's post is a good one to forward on to your elected officials.

So hearings would be good.


by jayackroyd on Sun May 14, 2006 at 10:34:35 AM EST
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It's not really arcane (none / 0)

It's a long established, well understood issue.  The "save the Internet" coalition seems to think people will view it as arcane because it relates to the Internet, so they frame it that way, and that's a shame.  We need to frame it as something Congress already understands quite well:  Common Carrier

It's a simple principle: Those who carry the traffic must treat everyone's traffic neutrally, for the good of our economy.  It applied to the railroads, it applied to the telephone companies, and now for the same reasons it should be applied to the Internet.  We already made the great conceptual leap of moving this model from the railroads to the telephone companies, long before there was an Internet.  Doing that a second time, this time from telephone to internet (which are much closer to each other intuitively), should not be a major conceptual leap for legislators.

Tell them you want common carrier protection for the Internet.  It won't be arcane to them at all.


by cos on Sun May 14, 2006 at 12:51:45 PM EST
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Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Wouldn't the telcos prefer to have the attention of lefty bloggers concentrated on bashing McCurry (which hurts the telcos not at all) rather than on the business of stopping the COPE bill in the 109th (which would hurt the telcos a good deal).

Not only that: the concentration on McCurry feeds into the meme that bloggers are self-obsessed, easily distracted, unwilling to do hard legislative work - just in it for easy ya-yas.

I think that the anti-coalition (which includes - thank God! - deep pockets like Google and MS) has a decent chance of stopping COPE.

What better way of showing the maturity of the lefty sphere than if it keeps its eyes on the prize?


by skeptic06 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 04:05:10 PM EST

Bugger! #6 was reply to Comment #5 (n/t) (none / 0)

N/t


by skeptic06 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 04:11:21 PM EST
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Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Debate?  What debate?

The telecom giants are simply another set of big corporations willing to say whatever they think will work to get another piece of America in their pocket. Whatever they say, and whatever we say, it will not constitute a 'debate.'  End of story.

I agree with skeptic06 that getting worked up about McCurry is getting sidetracked, at least until Net Non-Neutrality is dead for this Congress.  We should save McCurry for later, keeping his name on a list with all the other Clintonista quislings.  Right now, we need to concentrate on the telecoms, and on keeping this legislation from happening.


by RT on Sat May 13, 2006 at 04:35:46 PM EST

Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

this issue is directly connected to the NSA spying stuff. it's a bribe. telcos trade phone records for preferential treatment re: net neutrality.


by snappy on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:00:07 PM EST

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One thing centrists -- or pragmatists as they may prefer -- never seem to get is that if you allow your opponents paint you, they will. And in the most garish colors imaginable.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:08:38 PM EST

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Indeed.  And that's what's wrong with the centrist Dems' sit-back-and-let-the-GOP-screw-itself plan.  If the Dems do that, then no matter how badly the news keeps breaking against the GOP, they will still pour hundreds of millions of dollars into ads this fall, painting the Dems however they want to paint them.

The Dems need to define both themselves and the GOP now while the opportunity is there.  It won't be there four months from now.


by RT on Sun May 14, 2006 at 01:16:58 PM EST
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I thought the sign was referring to Alyssa Milano (she was like the poster child for naughty use of the Internet like 10 years ago).  I guess they're trying to say that people who care about this issue just want to pollute the Internet with porn, or something like that.  I know, it makes no sense and makes the sponsors of the ad look ridiculously out of touch, but I can't imagine why they'd use that name otherwise.
by Dave in NYC on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:27:53 PM EST

Actually... (none / 0)

The only Alyssa I've heard of is Milano. And I'm sure that at one stage her breasts took up more bandwidth worldwide than any other pair.

(Or that's what I read somewhere...)

That is actually an excellent catch: much to parse there.

The guy with the sign looks like a sad git - as would be appropriate to one who still hankered after AM. In fact, they all look like sad gits. (And they're all male!) And the guy at podium looks wasted.

Ain't propaganda grand!


by skeptic06 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:44:32 PM EST
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Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

heh... the semi-long-haired organizer looks kinda like you too, Matt. Perhaps you're becoming that infamous?


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:44:52 PM EST

Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Here in the NJ Fifth District, the Democratic hack's anointed carpetbagger, Paul Aronsohn, is putting Mike McCurry out as a public face of his campaign at the same time as he has stated, only after being pressed strongly, that he "supports net neutrality."  How he reconciles this with his buddy-buddy relationship with Mike McCurry, he has not indicated.

I've had enough of candidates like this.  Whether it's Aronsohn, Hillary Clinton, or any of them.  I know that Republican rule sucks, but we will never, ever, ever get the Democrats to respond until we give them consequences for trying to write us off.

They want us to go away?  OK, we will.  But they won't win without us.


by brilliantatbreakfast on Sat May 13, 2006 at 07:01:56 PM EST

Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

A different way to look at it is that he's taken this position even though he clearly wouldn't if he didn't have to.  In other words, a natural conservative is acting like a progressive because of our pressure.

I'll take that.


by Matt Stoller on Sat May 13, 2006 at 07:18:58 PM EST
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Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Paul Aronsohn is far from a conservative, and supported net neutrality once he became educated on the issue, not because of pressure from anyone.

Regardless, he's on our side, so let's not knock him for it.


by ridethedonkey on Sun May 14, 2006 at 03:32:13 AM EST
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Great Ad (none / 0)

Love the 'agit-prop' look and feel.  The only thing missing is the 'A' in a circle.

Unfortunately, they talk like Che Guevara but their Brooks Brother's Suits are a dead giveaway.


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by patachon on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:54:49 PM EST

Telcos have been pissed at the Internet for years (none / 0)

You whipper snappers have no idea! I remember back in the early days we had to go to court to put a modem on the internet. I kid you not. "You'll mess up our network!" they cried.

Back in 1996 some people I know were involved with the development of a new network access point. The telcos did NOT like the idea. They really wanted to make money selling long haul lines and direct connections not this new fangled "World Wild Web".

They were all pissed off at this because they figured it would take money from them. Of course in the early days everyone was all "Nobody is making money from the internet" until someone did. Then it was all, "how can we get that money?"
The real money turned out to be in search specific results. What a surprize. The telecos felt like suckers. They felt they weren't getting enough. So they screamed "F***! We want some of that juicy, juicy Google money! How can we force them to give us money?"

Hmmmm. How about we say, "If you don't give us money we will take away access to your precious website?" And so they came up with a plan to force them to give them money.

And here is another thing I want to point out. Google, lots of Democrats. Telcos. No so much. That is one of the reasons they like to bash Google. They aren't playing their game and they aren't part of their club. Google has a lot of money now and they don't have to play the standard game. The Telco Republicans have decided to do what they always do. Go after the refs. They are going to make sure that Google will pay for being an uppity Dem. And if Google doesn't pay off the vig, they will get crushed by the refs because they didn't pay off the refs. Thank goodness Google finally got some lobbiest in Washington to fight these bastards back at their level.


by spocko on Sat May 13, 2006 at 09:09:26 PM EST

Re: Telcos have been pissed at the Internet for ye (none / 0)

Well, the good news in all this is that Google might well become a backbone provider.  Their various wifi initiatives are designed to keep traffic on their network as soon as early in the search process as possible.


by jayackroyd on Sun May 14, 2006 at 10:39:20 AM EST
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Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Why else would they kick up this hornets nest and then insult us with hysterics? Why else would they call us rabble? If they really want competition, and that means no more assistance from the public treasury, maybe that's what they should get. If they really want a competitive broadband market, then maybe we should give it to them.

yes, Yes, YES!!

It's time to get punative. I'm serious on this. Various lobbying groups, for decades have been working opposed to the public interest to line their pockets.

Why shouldn't we cut those pockets out of those pants?

Why, in response to Big Copyright trying to kill the public domain, shouldn't we respond in turn by eliminating their copyright protection?

Why, in response to the big Telco's trying to turn the internet into walled gardens for their services, shouldn't we reclaim the lines and open them up to multiple competitors?

That's what we need to do.


by Karmakin on Sat May 13, 2006 at 09:28:36 PM EST

just whistle into the phone (none / 0)

At 2600 Hz.

Trust me.  The telecom industry is capable of fucking pretty much anything up and then lazily trying to catch up.

Anyone familiar with 2600 Hz and phreaking will let you know the competance level of the telecoms.

It's only a matter of time until you can completely work around whatever method they use to screw you over.


by jcjcjc on Sat May 13, 2006 at 11:23:54 PM EST

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The drug companies have always won their battles using this approach, lavish funding and totally phony positions, muddying the understanding for folks who are sympathtic to the progressive message. How are we going to counter it this time?  How can we be successful?


by syolles on Sun May 14, 2006 at 12:10:31 AM EST

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Mike McCurry has lost all credibility.


by Bob Brigham on Sun May 14, 2006 at 01:47:00 AM EST

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If you really are interested in protect your rights to the internet/on the internet than I would support this group,"EFF" http://www.eff.org/.
The have the real info!

Just a thought
GalfromCal


by GalfromCal on Sun May 14, 2006 at 03:57:27 AM EST

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This legislation is a slam dunk. The majority of Americans have spoken out against it, therefore the Congress is going to pass it anyway.
Isn't that the way they serve our interests these days? Isnt that the way it's been done for years?
Americans voice loud disagreement with a proposed law and Congress goes ahead and passes it anyway?

So, let's face it. Those of you who have computers and only use them on the internet, face it, you're toast. Those of us who own computers and have lots of other use for them, guess you'll be spending a lot more time using those apps instead, wont you?
I'm a videographer so I use my computer mainly for editing, so I will doing a lot more editing and a lot less surfing, and if this new legislation passes I will be disconnecting my broadband and getting a nice ten dollar a month dial-up account because I wont need broadband for email, and that's all I will care about after the new law passes.

Oh, and by the way, I will be letting my ISP know EXACTLY WHY I disconnected from their service too.

So I say that the only way this will ever hit home is if we hit them where it hurts. Let's leave the internet.

I know it's been fun, I know it's been useful, but let's face it...what good will it be if we have to treat the internet like another controlled piece of real estate that degrades sites that the ISP doesnt approve of.

If I can't do what I want on the internet, it's of absolutely no use to me whatsoever, except for mail.

MASS DISCONNECT...CB radio was once the most popular fad, now it's cricket city. Let's turn the internet into the 21st century version of CB radio...dead as a doornail.


by chs84 on Sun May 14, 2006 at 11:02:44 AM EST

I think the Alyssa thing is, believe it or not (none / 0)

becaue Alyssa Milano blogged about this issue.

Can the guy who did the initial net neutrality "commercial" (the one on youtube) update it to counter this nonsense? That PSA was great.


by renska on Sun May 14, 2006 at 05:39:03 PM EST

Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Good post, Matt! But, sadly, there aren't many others covering that topic. To make things worse,  MyDD's own Chris Bowers is controlling 'Advertise Liberally' who runs Mike McCurry's ad! Don't you have some problems with that and why don't you disclaim that 'coincidence' in your story?


No way, no how, no McCain!
by Gray on Mon May 15, 2006 at 03:35:49 PM EST

Who Owns The Site? (none / 0)

so i had to ask myself? who owns this? who's behind it (besides the people who put their names with the ad of course). so i went digging on google, cause they only want my money, those fuckers, and providing the info for free, just to lure me in obviously ;)

Did a WHOIS on handsoff.org . do it yourself, it's such fun - http://www.dnsstuff.com woo hoo. So i skip over the registrant in this case, take a look at the Admin & Tech contact - Tom Stock & TSE Enterpises.

So Who are they? I'm clueless. back to google. Now i'm less clueless. well spank me sideways, here's a link with a summary and who they work with -
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit le=TSE_Enterprises

and from here (sorry 4 the google cache)
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:gkWe bULzz20J:www.atlasisshrugging.org/lbiw/n ode/25%3FPHPSESSID%3D702f36c2bf71ca556cf bce9668747010+%22Tom+Stock%22+%22TSE+Ent erprises%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=c lnk&cd=4

from the google cache link -

Turns out that TSE Enterprises is a company owned by Mr. Stock who invents "grassroots" public interest groups for lobbyists on K Street (K Street is literally a street in D.C. where a large number of prominent lobbyists have their offices, the term is frequently used synonomously with them). This nifty little trick is called "astroturfing", derrived from "grassroots", and they're another way of funneling money into politics while avoiding messy little inconvenices like financial disclosure.

we got such gems like www.progressforamerica.com and www.unitedforjobs2004.org among others.

So who is this Tom Stock clown? take a lookie see here -

http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2004Q4/ powers.html

so anywho, there's the tool that is part of this whole scam people on what net neutrality is. excuse my disjointed comments, but it hard to multitask on coffee :P


by maxxxcoxxx on Mon May 15, 2006 at 08:37:42 PM EST

Re: Mike McCurry: More on Us Being Internet Rabble (none / 0)

Here's the deal.  The internet has always had rules.  One of those rules is that even if you own a pipe, you're not allowed to tell people what they can put through that pipe.  You can't block web sites, you can't say 'don't stream video', and you can't dictate what people and can't say.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Your facts are just plain wrong.  Please point out these rules before pretending they exist.

Net Neutrality is a concept, not a law, not even a rule.


by curiousstranger on Tue May 16, 2006 at 12:18:04 AM EST

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One other point, not a single one of the experts you cite as knowing this stuff cold actually works for an Internet Provider.  The two with any technical pedigree, Vint Cerf and Tim Berners-Lee work in the content industry.  Their technical knowledge is being tainted by their profit motives.


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You realize the very ad you're complaining about is featured in your "premium blogad info" sidebar?


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by Tigzz on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:57:00 PM EST


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