CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway

There is already a diary about this, and I already put up a Breaking Blue piece on CA-50 today, but I just had to blog this on the main page. Survey USA has a new poll out on CA-50. The overall numbers put the race at a dead heat, 45-45, but what most interested me were the internals. Want to know how Busby is staying competitive in a district with a local partisan index of just over RNC +20? The answer comes from independents, among whom Busby leads by a whopping 54-19.

I simply cannot see any way to look at a set of numbers like that and not conclude that the Indycrat realignment is underway. This is a conservative district. Bilbray is considered to be a moderate Republican. Hell, Bilbray even used to represent part of this district during the 1990's. Despite all that, he is still only bringing in 19% of independents. 19%?! "Other" is actually bringing in 26% of independents, so Bilbray is actually in third among independents. These are numbers that pretty much match Bush's standing among independents nationwide, and Democratic leads among independents nationwide in generic ballots. This is a complete and total abandonment of Republicans on the part of independents.

Over the past couple of weeks, you may have noticed that I have pretty much dropped my once pessimistic outlook on the 2006 elections. Mind blowing poll numbers such as this, which completely back up the Indycrat realignment postulated by Jerome, Ruy, myself and others over the past year, are the main reason why. A moderate Republican in a conservative district that he used to partially represent is in third place among independents in a general election? I don't want to get all John McEnroe here, but you can't be serious! This is really too good to be true, and has massive national landslide written all over it.

The main issue in the 2006 elections might not be whether or not Democrats have the political capability of pulling off a victory, but instead whether or not Democrats have the political capability ability of turning what is almost certainly a landslide election into a change election. Will this be a temporary landslide that is quickly reversed, ala 1946 or 1952, or will it be a long-term, coalition-changing landslide, ala 1974 or 1994? Right now, we are clearly still in the temporary range. Independents have been almost completely dislodged from the Republicans coalition, but large numbers of them are still waiting in a holding pattern between the two major parties. For example, Bilbray may only have 19% of independents in this poll, but Busby only has 54%. The outcome in CA-50 may hinge on where on where the 26% of independents currently supporting "other" end up turning. In that sense, the outcome in CA-50 will still offer us a large insight into the nature of the 2006 elections as a whole. Independents are clearly dislodged, but have they turned to Democrats yet? We shall see on June 6th, which continues to loom very, very large in the primary calendar.



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Re: CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway (none / 0)

50th is tough to pin down.  Are Indys MORE likely to turn Dem because the stick of scandal is so blatant, or LESS likely to turn Dem because the felon is already gone.  I'm hoping for the latter given the national implications, but I'm not so sure.  I obviously don't know what the coverage at the local level is around the rest of the country, but I would guess that things aren't so obviously laid at the door of each Republican local office.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 12:49:58 AM EST

Re: CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway (none / 0)

I wouldn't get too excited yet about our prospects in November. Whatever happens in CA 50, the national Democratic Party and it's beltway Democrats are too incompetent to win an election. That said we might pull off a victory in November if the Republicans completely self destruct, as they seem to be doing. Basically it's in the Republicans hands, if Bush and the Republican Congress have poll numbers similar to those they have today, we win. If they get their act together by November our party's natural incompetence will lead to another defeat at the polls, ala 2002 and 2004. Can you tell that I have absolutely no confidence in Democratic leaders?


by DallasDem on Thu May 11, 2006 at 01:25:48 AM EST

Typologies or Value-Clusters of Independents (none / 0)

It would pay to figure out what makes independents tick. Less politically committed, or perhaps neither party speaks for them. In the middle of an ideological spectrum, or just different issues?

Here is where the psychographics and targeted polling are important. The Pew Typology lumps Independents into two groups: Disaffected and Optimistic. I kind of think of the disaffecteds as people who are not too engaged with politics.

The Optimistic ones, at least the ones I think of here in the West, are often high-tech or professionals, maybe more libertarian than classic Dem or GOP who don't adhere to either party, but given a reason could swing Democrat. Such a reason might be major disenchantment with the Republicans or the appeal of a good Democratic Party program.

In the end, I don't think that Independent simply equals ideologically moderate. I think civil liberties issues, reproductive rights, and freedom from religious fanatics would split a major portion of the Independents to vote Democratic.


There's more of us than there is of them.
by MetaData on Thu May 11, 2006 at 01:53:23 AM EST

Re: Typologies or Value-Clusters of Independents (none / 0)

it seems to me- and this is mostly just off-the-cuff, personal experience analysis- that independents tend to be people who don't equate morality with government at a fundamental level.  That can apply on both sides of the spectrum, but they tend to be people who are looking for competence more than ideology.


by Lucas O'Connor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:19:30 AM EST
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Re: Typologies or Value-Clusters of Independents (none / 0)

Agreed.  I have also found independents tend to be turned off by "partisan" posturing.


by John Mills on Thu May 11, 2006 at 10:03:26 AM EST
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Hoping you're right in VA-05 (none / 0)

If you're right about all this indycrat stuff it's good news for the VA-05. I think you are. Virgil Goode was elected as a Democrat, and the indies around here just kept voting for him after the party switch. 65% as a D, 65% as an I, 65% as an R. That tells me there's a lot of independents around.

If they come back home to roost this year we'll have a ball game on our hands.


Progress is Personal | PCCC
by msnook on Thu May 11, 2006 at 06:27:03 AM EST

Re: CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway (none / 0)

I mentioned this in the last thread about this, but again, your "local partisan index" is about the same as your national partisan index. For the local, you compared the CA50 governor and senate margin to the state totals. While for the national, you compared the CA50 presidential margin to the national presidential margin. It makes no sense to compare these two results. The difference in the presidential results from CA50 to the CA total is also about R+20.

Admittedly, this makes no difference to the point of this post, but you need to be more careful when making your partisan index comparisons.


by heathen on Thu May 11, 2006 at 09:56:07 AM EST

Re: CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway (none / 0)

Good news.  Since I expressed concern about Busby's numbers not moving in the last poll I am very happy to see that she has gone up 2 points since the primary and last poll and is also doing very well with Independents.  Winning this race would be akin to Ron Lewis winning Bill Natcher's seat in 1994.  It was a huge psychological boost for the Repubs and huge blow to the Dems.  Like in sports, momentum is important in politics.


by John Mills on Thu May 11, 2006 at 10:02:19 AM EST

Very Skeptical of the poll... (none / 0)

1) Why are the Hispanics supporting Bilbray by a 7% margin in this poll?*

2) The gender breaks in this poll are confusing to me too, especially if this is supposed to be an indicator of an 'Indycrat realignment.' Why is a female candidate only being prefered by females by a 5% margin, if indys are breaking so hard to the Democrats??

I'm no polling expert, but don't these stats seem at odds with Bowers' indycrat thesis and/or this poll's validity?

*Bilbray's website brags about his tough on immigration stances! He puts the issue at the top of his issue list too!
(http://bilbrayforcongress.com/issues/)


by marksist on Thu May 11, 2006 at 10:55:12 AM EST

Re: CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway (none / 0)

Big question is whether the Indies show up. Experience indicates they will not, unless really pushed hard. Busby's famously good field operation is going to be tested big time. If she can't pull out an 18-20% total indie percentage of the final electorate, sounds like she's going to lose.

What are the percentages of the 10% undecided? Sounds likely they are nearly all independents.


by ColoDem on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:02:10 PM EST

Re: CA-50: Indycrat Realignment Underway (none / 0)

I look at this from another direction.  That the  Republican nominee is at 45% is really pathetic in this district.  It really shows that the base is not pleased with the nominee.  In addition, the indies in this district (and many Republicans) are really Libertarians.  The NSA thing might be the trigger to move more of that group to Busby.


by surfk9 on Thu May 11, 2006 at 05:15:14 PM EST


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