Who is Marcy Winograd? Why is she running for Congress?

I'd like to see more discussion on this district--Chris

Marcy Winograd - Progressive Democratic Candidate for te 36th Congressional District

President of Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles, I am running to replace pro-war incumbent Jane Harman in California's 36th Congressional District.  I run with a great sense of urgency, for we stand on the precipice of losing our democracy, of sinking a trillion-dollars into Iraq, of launching another war in Iran, of developing over 100 new nuclear bombs each year, and of shredding the Constitution.  Everywhere I travel in the 36th District, a 30-mile urban stretch from San Pedro up through Venice and Mar Vista, a district where Democrats outnumber Republicans by 40,000 votes, people stop me in the street, in elevators, at meetings to ask, "Where are the Democrats?  Why aren't they speaking out?"  

I assure them this Democrat, Marcy Winograd, is speaking out passionately, challenging the leadership of the Democratic Party to stand for the possibility of peace, for the rule of law, and for a brighter day when we reject pre-emptive war and, instead, engage the world community in tackling illiteracy, AIDS, and poverty, all the while engaging our own citizens in redefining security as universal affordable health care, quality education to close the achievement gap, and environmental protection to cool the threat of global warming.

Some ask, "Have you ever been elected to office?" and I tell them, "No, isn't that great?  I have no investment in the status quo, in the power of the Beltway."  Quite the contrary.  I have spent the last three years on the ground, knee deep in the grassroots, organizing town hall forums and congressional lobby delegations to end the US occupation of Iraq.

As Co-Founder of the California Election Protection Network, I have stood on the frontlines of the movement to ensure our votes are not gobbled up by hackable electronic voting machines and to keep a close eye on a Republican Secretary of State who waltzed into office with a Diebold lobbyist on his transition team.

I am relentless, unstoppable, moved by a deep sense of conviction that the Bush agenda of eternal war is not the answer, and that it will take a groundswell of both outrage and hope to lead our nation back to sanity, to strengthen the Democratic Party, and to ensure the Party stands for something other than accommodation to those who rush to war and pledge allegiance to a false sense of patriotism.

A former LA County Democrat of the Year, I managed a Democratic Club headquarters in Santa Monica during the 2004 election and helped launch Swing State Sisters, a group of women who traveled to Arizona and Florida to GOTV for Kerry.  Never again will I support someone who waffles so treacherously on the question of war and peace, particularly when the war in question is wrapped in a package of lies by men who want to build a corporate empire via a sanitized notion of regime change.  

Now is the time for all of us to summon the activist, the humanitarian, and the visionary inside ourselves. Yes, we must invest our precious time and energy into taking back Congress, but not without a commitment to peace, to leaving this world a better place for our children and our children's children, not without seizing the reigns from leaders, be they Democrat or Republican, who climb into bed with war profiteers and then masquerade as advocates for the people.

To those of you who remain skeptical, who argue that a grassroots activist cannot claim victory over a $550,000 six-term incumbent, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee - Jane Harman, the same woman who boasted she was flattered to be considered the best Republican in the Democratic Party, to those of you who say the people cannot prevail over entrenched power and influence, I say, "Join the hundreds of volunteers walking precincts from Venice to San Pedro, stand with me and Cindy Sheehan and Daniel Ellsberg and Ron Kovic and Fernando Suarez del Solar and Ed Begley and Ed Asner and Howard Zinn and Jim Hightower and Mimi Kennedy and Tim Carpenter and Lila Garrett and feel the excitement in the air, and hark back to the day weeks ago when we blocked my opponent's endorsement by delegates to the Democratic Party or the day that the rank and file of the United Teachers of Los Angeles and the California Federation of Teachers, now mindful that their leadership had knee-jerked endorsed a pro-war incumbent, said NO, we reject this candidate, we rescind our endorsement. Yes, hark back to the day when the Sierra Club could not muster enough votes for Harman after hearing me, Marcy Winograd, speak of war and nuclear proliferation as the worst environmental crimes imaginable, and know that the time is ripe for change and that the people are hungry for real leadership and that Winograd for Congress will prevail.  Be part of this movement electrifying the grassroots, contribute, endorse, volunteer, blog away. Join Winograd for Congress (winogradforcongress.com) as we sprint to the finish.



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stop with the primaries. this is a marginal democratic district, so you would expect a relatively conservative democrat. yet harman isnt THAT conservative, with her 74 score putting her below average but not godawaful like some southern dems in terms of liberalism/conservatism.  So please, put your resources elsewhere like defeating Bilbray in CA-50, Arnold or run in a district that does not have a democratic incumbent that fits her district relatively well


by yomoma2424 on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 05:40:16 PM EST

Negative on Primaries? (3.00 / 1)

Why are you negative on a primary here?  If Rep. Harmon is so well-suited for the district, this race will serve to re-enforce this to the voters, will it not?  Contested primaries are a great way to get exposure for candidates, get new names out there and generate exitement about races.  Three cheers to Ms. Winograd for getting involved in this race.


by bink on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 05:50:04 PM EST
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because primaries cost money and dilute focus, effort and cash from important races


by yomoma2424 on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 06:31:02 PM EST
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Sonrt. Like Hillary lardxing up the cash for her "dangerously contested" re-election bid?


by ElitistJohn on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 08:07:50 PM EST
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not supporting that either


by yomoma2424 on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 11:14:02 PM EST
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You should have seen her appearance on Meet The Press along with Tom Daschle and a bunch of other Republican clowns. I swear, her appearance there alone outdoes every single Faux News Appearance made by Joe Lieberman. I dislike Lieberman, but at least I don't feel like puking at the sight of him like I do for Jane Harman.

Unfortunately, I do not live in this district. But I applaud you Marcy for finally attempting to root out what's wrong with the Democratic party, pro-war, pro-corporate bigmouth Democrats whos contributions to the party consist little else than dismantling the Democratic party.

By the way, Connecticut voted around 45% for Bush, and so did this district. Why the differentiation?


by KainIIIC on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 11:56:40 PM EST
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This is not a marginal dem district.  It used to be, in 2000, but has been 60-40 since. After 2000, when Harman squeaked by, the Dem legislature drafted a safe Dem seat, removing rich Rep bastions in the south, and adding liberal western enclaves and southern working class union strongholds. 60-40 was Kerry's margin, and the Reps are running a non-entity in the general.  Harman is in fact godawful in this district, kowtowing to the defense industry, catnapping through briefings about Bush's illegal domestic spying, voting for the anti-consumer bankruptcy bill.  

The primary is where the only action is.  The resources that will bring Winograd over the top are not going to go to defeat Bilbray, and there will be time to defeat Arnold after June 6. The winner of the primary is going to win this seat.  Why should this district tolerate a warmonger who wears a B-2 bomber lapel pin, who is a complacent Dem who has no feel for anyone other than the rich folks she drinks pinot with?


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:24:41 AM EST
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This is as pure a grass roots campaign as you can get.

I don't think you could stop her supporters if you wanted to.

Continued support of this war is dangerous to the world, not just conservative Democrats.

This is a race for the residents of CA-36 to decide.


by Ozzie on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:33:00 AM EST
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I live in the district and for once, am glad I'll have the opportunity to cast a vote for the Democratic wing of the Democratic party -- even if it is during the primary.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:27:54 AM EST
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I understand what people say about devoting resources to certain races, and agree for the most part. However, I live in the CA-36 in Mar Vista, and I am against the war.  I have had to hold my nose and vote for Harman and Kerry, despite their support for the war.  Even if Winograd does not win, and she does dilute resources, I am glad to actually have a candidate that I can vote for and agree with at least once in 2006.  Yes, I will go back to holding my nose and voting for Harman in November, but I want my voice to be heard before then.  I want to try to scare Harman off of positions she has taken on the Bankruptcy bill and Iraq.  I think people sometimes get lost in the numbers (money, polls, partisan indexes), and forget that sometimes you just want someone who actually represents you.  Your vote allows your views to be registered.  And if I get a chance to vote my conscience at least in my party's primary, then I don't care if it siphons off some resources in a relatively safe district.


by bhirsh26 on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 07:43:38 PM EST

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Jane Harman, the same woman who boasted she was flattered to be considered the best Republican in the Democratic Party

Cite?


by Newsie8200 on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 09:54:07 PM EST

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This proof is a verbatim story from the LA Times archives about the 1998 race for CA governor, which I purchased just to make sure no one thinks this is bogus or a third hand quote.  

Los Angeles Times - Los Angeles, Calif.
Author:     CATHLEEN DECKER
Date:     Mar 23, 1998
Start Page:     1
Section:     PART-A; Metro Desk
Document Types:     News
Text Word Count:     1274

Document Text

(Copyright, The Times Mirror Company; Los Angeles Times 1998 all Rights reserved)

The three Democratic candidates for California's governorship clashed openly for the first time Sunday over money and issues as they fought to define themselves as best suited to carry their party's banner in November.

State Democratic activists attending their convention in downtown Los Angeles first heard businessman Al Checchi criticize U.S. Rep. Jane Harman for appealing to Republicans. Then Harman sniped at Checchi for his reams of position papers, and Lt. Gov. Gray Davis attacked them both as millionaires trying to buy the election.

"I may not be the new kid on the Democratic block, but with Gray Davis, you're getting the real deal," said Davis, whose beleaguered campaign has watched first Checchi and lately Harman catch the fancy of Democratic voters.

As Davis suggested, the point of the convention was elbowing into the hearts of Democratic loyalists who are most likely to turn out for the June 2 primary. Although not a true debate, the first back-to-back-to-back appearances of the three candidates served to define differences among three generally moderate figures whose public positions on many issues have been remarkably similar.

In news conferences after their speeches, two of the candidates broke new ground: Both Checchi and Harman said that, as governor, they would seek to repeal 1996's Proposition 209, the ballot measure that outlawed racial and gender preferences in state hiring and school admissions. Davis would not commit to an effort to repeal the initiative, which was angrily and unsuccessfully fought by Democrats.

Nor would Davis commit to signing a bill sanctioning gay marriages, which both Checchi and Harman said they would enact as governor.

All told, Sunday's convention marked the opening of hostilities for the governor's contest and signaled that more vituperative clashes will probably develop in the 10 weeks left before political judgment day.

Although the candidates had not engaged before Sunday, it has been clear for months that the race for governor will be historic, at least when it comes to spending. Checchi, a major stockholder in Northwest Airlines, said Sunday that he has spent $18 million of his own money so far in the primary. The amount is double the old record, set in 1994 by Democrat Kathleen Brown, who took until June to spend $9 million. Harman, who represents the South Bay, has spent more than $4 million, most of it her own; Davis has spent about half that, all from campaign donations.

The two biggest spenders came to the weekend convention intent on proving that each is a tried-and-true Democrat. That characterization has been tested by campaign strategies relying strongly on appeals to independents and moderate Republicans under the state's new blanket primary, which allows cross-party voting. Not surprisingly, given the more tenuous nature of both his campaign finances and momentum, it was Davis who lashed out most forcefully.

The last of the three to come to the podium before more than 1,300 convention delegates, the lieutenant governor detailed his positions on education and other issues before striking at the heart of his argument.

"I am acutely aware of the vast personal resources that are arrayed against me in this campaign," he said. "I know two things: Your vote is not for sale. And second, I offer voters a wealth of public service experience that no amount of money can buy."

After insinuating that the other candidates were trying to buy votes, Davis, 55, leveled a none-too-subtle attack on their Democratic bona fides.

"I find it a little odd that one of my opponents does not identify himself as a Democrat in his commercials," he said of Checchi. "And when we were attempting to reelect a Democratic president for the first time in 60 years {in 1996} . . . for reasons best known to him, he contributed the maximum amount allowable to two of Bill Clinton's opponents, Bob Dole and Steve Forbes."

Checchi, 49, said afterward that voters know he is a Democrat. "I don't think anybody doubts that," he added. He also said that he donated to family friend Forbes and Republican nominee Dole as courtesies and that his $100,000 donation to the national Democratic Party dwarfed the few thousands sent to the GOP candidates.

Davis drew aim at Harman by expressing mock surprise at a recent Los Angeles Times story in which Harman said she was proud to be called "the best Republican in the Democratic Party."

Harman, 52, later said the remark only reflected her pride at crafting bipartisan approaches in Congress.

Checchi, in his address, anticipated criticisms of his largely nonpartisan campaign. His speech was titled "Why I'm a Democrat," a refrain that he echoed eight times as he lauded party positions on issues ranging from Social Security and the minimum wage to abortion rights.

"Let me say simply and unequivocally, I'm proud to be a Democrat," he said. He contrasted that with Harman's embrace of the "best Republican" tag, which he said would make his immigrant Italian grandmother "turn over in her grave."

Harman, besides tweaking Checchi for his "endless stream of position papers," delivered an elliptical slap at his voting record. Checchi has acknowledged that he failed to vote in several recent elections, including 1994 when Proposition 187, which cut state services to illegal immigrants, was on the ballot.

"I was proud to join so many of you and so many other Democrats across the state in speaking against--and voting against--Propositions 187 and 209," she said. "And I'm going to do the same thing this year against Proposition 227 . . . and against Proposition 226."

Proposition 227--also known as the Unz initiative after businessman Ron K. Unz, who drafted it--would sharply curtail bilingual education programs. Proposition 226 would require labor union members to annually sign off on dues used for political purposes. Both measures are broadly supported by Republicans but opposed by the three Democratic candidates. On Sunday, the state Democratic Party officially opposed both initiatives.

Both the speeches and the give-and-take over issues in the subsequent news conferences illuminated differences among the candidates that have been largely obscured by the glossy television ads and often bland policy speeches in the campaign thus far.

Checchi's speech, by far Sunday's most detailed, repeated his reliance on copious issue positions to offset his lack of elective political experience. Harman was far more stylistic, often referring to women's issues as a way to subtly point out the strong role that gender will probably play in her campaign in a party dominated by women.

Both stated, during questioning by reporters, that they would approve gay marriages and revisit the anti-affirmative action measure--unexpected turns for two moderates acutely aware of their need to attract independent and Republican votes.

Davis played the loyalty card not only for himself but also by praising President Clinton, who is still popular among party activists despite allegations of sexual misconduct.

Yet he was more circumspect about two touchy social issues. Regarding Proposition 209, he said that he would consider a repeal effort only if all other end-runs were exhausted. And he said flatly that he does not believe that "America is ready" to endorse gay marriage--and thus he would not.

Although the convention at the Westin Bonaventure Hotel was marked by gubernatorial tensions, the delegates united to laud one of their senior statesmen, former Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley. Honored with a "profile in courage" award by party chairman Art Torres, a frail Bradley ascended to the podium amid a rousing and extended standing ovation. His voice silenced by strokes, the white-haired mayor waved to the crowd and then, with what appeared to be delight, raised a thumb triumphantly to the crowd.


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:39:18 AM EST
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To further clarify, the original quote came from a February 19, 1998 LA Times article by Cathleen Decker on Harman's gubernatorial run, in which Decker describes Harman's appearance at a downtown LA locale, in which there appears the following Harman quote:

"I just want to say how flattered I was in the last election to be introduced as the best Republican in the Democratic Party," she told several hundred civic leaders at the downtown Los Angeles meeting. "I accept."


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:09:27 AM EST
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It is desperately important that we get rid of this awful Jane Harman. We cannot have a Democratic member of Congress who is opposed to the Constitution. (Her support of the Bush's violation of the FISA)


by liberalminded on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 10:32:17 PM EST

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This is not an accurate statement at all.  

Rep. Harman has repeatedly stated that President Bush's surveillance of Americans without court order violates FISA.  

A few key quotes from a March op-ed Harman wrote:

"...More troubling than those tactical errors [in improving our intelligence capabilities] has been the Bush administration's refusal to back off an ideological position that the president, in his role as commander in chief, can ignore the Constitution and the law in fighting the 'war' on terror...

"...Conducting surveillance of Americans in America without court warrants and without Congressional oversight clearly violates a law passed by Congress, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

"The president's claim of 'inherent' power to conduct this surveillance is highly strained, given that Congress expressly limited the ability of the president to conduct warrantless surveillance for 15 days after the declaration of war. It's now been 1,500 days since Congress authorized the war against al Qaeda."

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/c a36_harman/oped_060301_legalframeworkIQ. html

-- Brent


by sfbrentb on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:29:08 AM EST
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What these quotes, in March of this year, try to obscure is that Harman had been receiving briefings on this domestic spying for years, and kept her complicit mouth shut, both in the briefing room and outside of it.  The only reason we know about this at all is that the NY Times exposed it 14 months after it found out, but sat on the story until its own reporters were about to publish a book mentioning it.  When Harman was challenged about her role on Meet the Press on February 12, she admitted that she had not been smart about it (her words), that she was only given the "operational details" -- lamely suggesting that she had no ability to ask legal questions about the operation -- that she couldn't talk to a constitutional lawyer because that would have breached confidentiality.   But she could have cracked open a law book herself, since she brags of being a Harvard-trained lawyer, she should have known about FISA, passed in 1978 and in constant use in 9/11-related activity, and she didn't even have the good sense to take the feeble step Jay Rockefeller did of memorializing  objections in a classified letter.  She started backpedaling in March after her disastrous "boys will be boys" gabbing on Feb 12's MTP when she got roundly criticized for it, while no doubt expecting praise.  Please go to Winograd's website or NBC's website to check out the Feb 12 transcript of Harman's initial deer in the headlights take on the Bush spying program; it is a little slice of Nuremberg, coupled with a swipe at the NY Times for doing its job.  As senior Dem on the House Intel committee, we should be getting more from her than "golly, I didn't have my staff in the briefing room and it didn't occur to me to ask questions, they fed me my Rice pudding or my Cheney ice cream and off I skipped into my stupor".   She is also busily working to ratify Bush's policy so that he can do prospectively what is currently a violation of the law.  We can and must do better than this.  


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 10:53:04 AM EST
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I can't believe this (2.00 / 4)

Yes, let's waste time, money, energy, and effort on a quixotic at best attempt to purge the Democrat party of moderates at a time when the national mood against Republicans is at an all time high.  

She won't beat Harman.  She. will. not.  Or rather, the resources it would take to do so would be VASTLY better spent kicking Republican ass up and down the northeast.  Are you seriously willing to use your extremely valuable, limited time and money to bump CA-36 from a 74% liberal to a 97% liberal?  When it could be better applied taking, say, Sherwood Boehlert's now-open seat and getting Dem in for a Rep, who will vote more liberally virtually every time?  

Not to mention that that's one step closer to a Speaker Pelosi- even if the impossible does happen and you get this clown instead of Harman, guess what- you still need 15 seats to take back the House, only now you're 1M dollars poorer.  Yeah, that makes sense.

I swear, it's Pavlovian, the way she just hits all the standard far-left talking points and some people here swallow them up and pledge undying loyalty.  End the Iraq "occupation"?  Ding!   Hates the Beltway?  Ding!  And so on.

Focus on Republicans.  Forget this timewaster.


by Philosofy101 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 12:49:24 AM EST

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No


by ElitistJohn on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:17:49 AM EST
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Can't you fathom a community rallying behind a candidate that represents its views?

If there hadn't been a groundswell of support when she announced, she wouldn't still be running now.

This is my district, my neighborhood, and I have a right to decent representation. Money to Busby, Lamont, and Winograd.  This is my party too.

I don't want to rid this country of a Republican majority only to be replaced with a slightly less right wing majority.

That's absurd, and this is a primary.


by Ozzie on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:41:32 AM EST
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It takes a cynic to appreciate a cynic (3.00 / 2)

Philosofy, it is sad that you have swallowed the DLC line, so that you think Winograd's positions are on autopilot, when in fact Harman's 74% voting record in this district is a disgrace.  Why is it so hard to believe that Winograd is sincere? You haven't actually said anything negative about the substance of her positions, only that you can't believe there is one person who keeps ringing the bell.  Why do progressives have to compromise virtually all the time, and especially in districts like the 36th?  This ain't the Central Valley.   I agree, her progressive positions have been relatively rare in the Dem party of 2006, but that's a reflection on the party, and it's changing.   Why have a DINO in there when we can do so much better?  Why are you so worried about Harman's $100 million, or the grassroots $ that would not be spent on Harman, and would not be spent on any other MOR turkey who happens to have a "D" next to their name?  What does Harman lead on?  Helping Bush "win" the war?  Keeping his secrets?  Screwing consumers who hit the skids because of a medical catastrophe that they couldn't pay for?  

At worst, Winograd is sending a message to the party establishment that Harman's sucking up to the likes of Pat Roberts, her sleeping through intelligence briefings and failure to bone up on the quarter-century old FISA, her failure to do anything about Iraq, is unacceptable in her district, at least.  At best, Harman is toast, and I think she is already smelling a bit like embers.

 


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:55:09 AM EST
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Wow, this is about the most trite, uninspired, myopic, blind, unimaginative, soulless, weakest, mentally limp and flaccid response I've ever read on MyDD since I've been visiting the site.  Your response is precisely the sort of uninspired advice that's brought us Democrats to the political wasteland that we find ourselves in.  If people continue listening to your sort of tripe then the Democratic party will pass into history as a blip, a footnote, having lost all significance and relevancy.  


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:25:40 AM EST
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Funny, I kinda feel the same way about your post.  Although, I must give you credit, instead of coming up with actual responses to my arguments, you hit the thesaurus in search of 10 synonyms for "trite."  Well done.


by Philosofy101 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:21:00 PM EST
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Good, we at least agree on one thing, then; even as we utterly and completely disagree on our fundamental responsibility as citizens of our nation, as members of the Dem party and as progressives.  Other than that I guess we stand on the same ground.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 03:02:02 PM EST
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How did you arrive at the figure 74% liberal for Harman??  I am dying to know.

More importantly, why do progressives have to consistently take one for the team for the sake of the "party".  Where has this approach gotten us??  A load of democrats that look a lot like republicans.  In that case, would it even matter if the Democrats took back the house??


by Mavis on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 10:36:48 PM EST
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I hope you give Harmen a giant shitburger.


by Bob Brigham on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:04:27 AM EST

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I sort of agree with Philosofy, in relation to what is our ultimate goal here. Retake the house or make sure we have the most progressive democrat in congress, even if we're still the minority?

My goal isn't to increase my rep's "rating" from a 74 to 97.

My goal is to retake the house. Perhaps once in the majority, dems we think aren't progressive enough might start leaning more left than right.

I totally feel the sentiment behind the support for Marcy, however practically speaking, I think it's more effective to target republicans than democrats...unless you're Liberman. He's the outlier (sp) of the bell curve.


by teedub on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 03:18:34 AM EST

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At the moment, it's about sending a message to the Dem party establishment -- that the grassroots is paying attention and that where we can we will assert our selves.  This is an strategic message from the grassroots to the insider establishment/consultant class that's mislead the Dem party up to now.  Am a strong supporter of such bottom-up efforts, it's the only way that the grassroots will get noticed.  Don't you see that it's not necessarily about taking out a Blue Dog Dem; rather, it's about attempting to flex some muscle... it's about stretching our legs... it's about seeing where our relatively greenish grassroots' legs will take us within the party.

Now, as for this misguided concern that such efforts will deplete resources, as has been noted, this is a grassroots effort, and this is one way of engaging the mostly dormant base of the party -- priming us for the general.  Moreover, I firmly believe that the grassroots can walk and chew gum at the same time -- we will take on the insider establishment within the Dem party as we go blow, to blow against conservatives/republicans in the general.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 03:52:25 AM EST
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At the moment, it's about sending a message to the Dem party establishment -- that the grassroots is paying attention and that where we can we will assert our selves.  This is an strategic message from the grassroots to the insider establishment/consultant class that's mislead the Dem party up to now.  Am a strong supporter of such bottom-up efforts, it's the only way that the grassroots will get noticed.  Don't you see that it's not necessarily about taking out a Blue Dog Dem; rather, it's about attempting to flex some muscle... it's about stretching our legs... it's about seeing where our relatively greenish grassroots' legs will take us within the party.

You want to stretch your legs?  Cut your teeth, test out your strength?  Fine.  Do it on REPUBLICANS.  You want the important Dems to notice and respect you?  I guarantee that this isn't the way.  Show them your power by helping to defeat REPUBLICANS.  They're the enemy.  Show the DC Dems that the netroots aren't just loud ATMs.  They can be smart and pragmatic as well as passionate.

Now, as for this misguided concern that such efforts will deplete resources, as has been noted, this is a grassroots effort, and this is one way of engaging the mostly dormant base of the party -- priming us for the general.

If the base isn't already energized, nothing will get them.  This is their chance to strike back for 6 years of Republican incompetence.  This type of idiocy won't energize them beyond what they already are.

Moreover, I firmly believe that the grassroots can walk and chew gum at the same time -- we will take on the insider establishment within the Dem party as we go blow, to blow against conservatives/republicans in the general.

Look, I know the "netroots" has a tendency to exaggerate its size, influence, and importance, and this is a prime example.  Fact is, we can't walk and chew gum at the same time.  We're still in the early stages, and right now, diverting our energies into two different tasks (taking on the Republican party AND half of the Democratic party) is not something it's capable of.  Or rather you guys can try, but you won't influence anything.


by Philosofy101 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:18:34 PM EST
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First of all, there's no such thing, at the moment, as an organized "netroots" -- which I prefer to call the grassroots, because it more accurately describes what is happening (that is, rank and file party members now finally have a medium to publicly cast/voice our concerns).   So, your concern that the netroots will dilute our resources, by focusing on the weak and vacillating officials (for example, Jane Harman and Lieberman) within the Democratic party during the primaries, is simply misguided.  In the past I've volunteered for campaigns and given money during the primary and, guess what, I volunteered and gave money to the Dem candidate in the general -- and am confident that am not the only one.  Accordingly, I (and others in the grassroots) can chew gum and walk at the same time.  What is going on right now, at least for me and for many other folks I chat with, is a serious discontent with politics as usual and with the entrenched Democratic party establishment.  For me it's not merely about party ID -- I want my representative (I live in CA-36) to voice my values and aspirations, and Harmad fails miserably in that regard.

Supporting a candidate (again, during the primary) that better represents me is, in fact, smart and pragmatic.  After all, it is much harder to dislodge an entrenched incumbent, like Harman, after that incumbent has nearly ossified after six terms in office.

By the way, your tact and rhetoric strikes me as, let's say, insiderish, do you work for an elected Dem?  More specifically, do you work for Jane Harman?


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:57:22 PM EST
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Politics is supposed to be about ideas, about changing the world for the better, about making progress whether you call yourself a "progressive" or not.  So, it seems to me that those who want to make progress -- i.e., improve the lives of people who are disadvantaged, stop the ravages of war, improve education, have an environment that is worth passing on to our children and grandchildren, show compassion for "the least of us", stop corruption and use our hard-earned tax dollars for the best purposes, not to help politicians' cronies -- need to get those who are impeding progress out of the way, regardless of whether they are Republicans or Democrats.  No question, there are more in that impediment category who are Republicans, and let's get rid of them wholesale.  But Democrats in that category, like Joe Lieberman and Jane Harman in this generation, and Strom Thurmond and his Dixiecrat buddies in the bad old segregation days -- need to go also.  In all of this exchange, I haven't read very much about how great Harman is, or that she has any merit or substance worth keeping in the House.  If the major argument for Harman is that she's a placeholder who won't lose so we can devote resources elsewhere, that's not much of an endorsement, and it's no wonder people in her district are disgusted and people are passionate about Winograd.

Now I must cop to a bias in my own passion for Winograd: I am her husband, I love her, and I support her effort wholeheartedly.  As I watch this campaign develop, I am continually impressed with her persuasive skill, her charisma, and her ability to motivate and energize people who have been disenchanted with the system and with the establishment politics we've been enduring for so long. On a personal level, she's obviously got my vote.  But on an objective level, facts are facts, both positive for Winograd and negative for Harman.  I know of Marcy's loyalty and hard work for the Democratic party and related projects such as election protection.  I know only a small portion of her organizing skills, which are more monumental than I realized until recently, and she is tapping into a deep discontent that is not just about Republican corruption, incompetence and militarism.  It's about loss of the idealism that drew people to politics in the 60's, and turned them off initially with Watergate in the 70's.  This is a revival, and it's not limited to ousting the Republicans.  

If this is about "us" and "them", the "us" are the people who want to make positive, helpful change, and the "them" are those who resist it, whether to preserve their own political survival, or to make gains for those whose ideas and practices we loathe: polluters, defense contractors, oil profiteers, racists, big business suckups who help their benefactors exploit workers, consumers and the impoverished.  Back in 1948, Hubert Humphrey split with the Dixiecrats who wanted to preserve "states' rights" and the segregationist system; Thurmond ran for office, and not so long ago, Trent Lott celebrated him and that horrific era. Humphrey took a courageous step back then; why aren't Dems these days courageous enough to admit they made a mistake in voting for the Iraq war, or to support Russ Feingold in moving for censure of Bush?  Not all Democrats are equal, not all are equally worthy of support.  And some, like Harman and Lieberman, are worthy of disdain and rejection, and in places like the 36th CD in California, can and should be challenged, because we will not lose a "D" if they are beaten in their primaries.  In fact, we will gain a true "D" and be that much closer to making true progress.  Let us not lose sight of what we ultimately are trying to accomplish: nothing less than the betterment of people's lives. Winograd will do that and will be more successful at it than Harman.  To simply enable the status quo when a better alternative is readily available and within our grasp is not worthy of responsible, conscientious people like those who are reading this.


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 03:22:46 PM EST
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I agree with you.  At the end of the day, for me and for many others, this is about a lot more than pedestrian party affiliation -- I want progress, I want progressive values represented and advanced, I want to grow the American Liberal community, and I will not reflexively support Dems that continually undermine American Liberalism and my community.  

I will be casting my vote for Marcy in the primary and, as I've done in the past, I will support the Dem in the general.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 05:06:29 PM EST
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Plz explain Cegelis then (none / 0)

So when the party establishment installs a candidate displacing a perfectly qualified grass roots candidate, with an organization firmly in place, and the ability to challenge an old crustbucket like Hyde, this is a good use of one million dollars.

Rahm, et al, spent that mil on fighting Republicans, right?


by Ozzie on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 03:28:13 PM EST
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"Or rather you guys can try, but you won't influence anything"

Maybe I'm just a sucker, but fuck that. This is how it's supposed to work. I didn't become a Democrat to march in lockstep with anyone. I'll cede to your wisdom and experience, but not the bitterness. What possible harm can be done to the Dems on the whole in a safe blue district, except remind the whole machine that there's "guys in the neighborhood" who want to effect positive change? We're on the same team, Philosofy101, and at the end of the day, sure, we're all in it together. But c'mon, at least cede that it's good to see newbies getting involved, and maybe keep your fingers crossed it takes off nationwide? Who else but Dems could even IMAGINE taking back our people's house AND cleaning out the posers in our own AT THE SAME TIME? Besides, why waste enrgy on the Republicans when, it seems, there mis-managing just fine all by themselves? %32 approval rating, anyone? By the way, I've got no beef with you, just a respectful difference of opinion.And with only one profanity.


by lancepiercejr on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 04:56:49 PM EST
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For those how live in the district we are very excited to know that we have a very real chance of bouncing warmonger Jane Harman out of here.

Every time Jane Harman has been asked to help fund George bush's war she's very happy to do so.  She has given George Bush a blank check to go and slaughter innocent people by the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.

Jane Harman has voted for the patriot act three times!!!

Jane Harman knew about George bush's illegal wiretaps for more than a year before it was exposed by the New York Times. When the story came out, she didn't say that the wiretaps were bad, she ripped the New York Times for breaking news story! I was watching her on TV the Sunday morning she did this. I couldn't believe my eyes.

When you take a good look at Jane Harmon's voting record it is very clear to see that she is a moderate republican.  For those of us who are tired of the democrat-in-name-only types it is refreshing to have a true progressive to vote for.

For those of us who live in the district, we are incredibly excited knowing that we actually have a choice between somebody who will stand up against this horrible presidential administration and one who supports it at nearly every turn.

Marcy Winograd firmly stands for those things that we know are right, while war-monger Jane Harman firmly stands for things that we know are wrong.

I am incredibly excited because I will be able to vote for Marcy Winograd!


by Cousin It on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:47:35 AM EST
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Thanks for being a real Fighting Dem!

I dont live in CA, but you have my support!


by dayspring on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 11:13:26 AM EST

Doesn't it make a difference that... (none / 0)

...Marcy is cute?

I'm not being shallow or sexist here (entirely). But there must be some percentage in your candidate being more attractive than the others, surely?

(I'm going by photos - which do lie on occasion, so I've heard.)

Did anyone analysis the extent to which cuteness was the secret of Stephanie Herseth's success in the special in 04, I wonder?

Or calculated the effect of the cuteness factor on elections generally?


by skeptic06 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 11:29:48 AM EST

Re: Doesn't it make a difference that... (3.00 / 1)

OK, now that I've revealed that I'm Marcy's husband, I'm both qualified and disqualified from addressing this issue. She is beautiful inside and out, and I'm afraid that externalities sometimes do make a difference.   How many times have we heard people say that the Dems need a George Clooney or Warren Beatty to run against Schwarzenegger, that Angelides and Westly are not up to snuff, not because of their politics, intelligence or competence -- which are superior to Arnold's -- but because they lack "star power".  Well, with Arnold, I think the loftier the perch, the harder the fall; he raised expectations, failed, and now he's hurting, and deservedly so.  But in Winograd's case, I don't think the issue is looks so much as it is persona; there is simply no warmth and empathy in Harman.  There is virtually unlimited quantities of those qualities in Winograd.  


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 03:47:46 PM EST
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Well said! (none / 0)

I've complained before when associates of a candidate come on without seeming to have a clue about blogs and how to communicate in them.

Credit where it's due, though. That is a good post, my friend.

If certain Dem honchos in and out of Congress had such nimble and affecting answers on TV...


by skeptic06 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 07:24:24 PM EST
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Re: Well said! (none / 0)

Thank you; I appreciate the appreciation and your kindness.  I am new to this blogging world, and I was duly slapped upside the head for not immediately revealing my relationship to the candidate.  I will not make that mistake again.


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 07:59:13 PM EST
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Re: Who is Marcy Winograd? Why is she running for (3.00 / 2)

Someone commented earlier that this district is not a marginal Democratic district.  I have lived in this district for some time, and I have lived in a few parts of it as well.  I am not a political hack, but here are my observations on the district, and why this is exactly the right place to make a stand against a Blue-Dog Democrat.

There are 3 main geographic areas in the CA-36: 1)Venice/Mar Vista/parts of Marina del Rey and West LA 2)The Beach cities of the South Bay (Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, Hermosa) and Torrance 3) San Pedro.  In addition, the district includes major offices for Raytheon, Northrup, and other aero-space companies that are placed strategically close to Los Angeles Air Force Base, but most of the people that work there commute from other districts.  This could begin to explain Harman's thinking on defense policy (just speculation though, I have no evidence of campaign contributions).

First, the San Pedro area is the one that I have not lived in, but I know people who live there.  It is comprised of a lot of union people, as someone said earlier.  In addition, it is relatively cheap to live there (by LA standards), and has begun to attract younger, more liberal people looking for affordable living.  At least on a congressional level, this appears to be a receptive area to a more blue Dem.

Second, the Venice/ West LA has always been a bastion of liberalism, especially Venice Beach, even the more expensive parts of Venice are populated by limo liberals.  The areas surrounding Mar Vista are undergoing a lot of demographic change right now.  Younger, affluent liberals are moving there as Mar Vista starts to attract younger twenty-somethings that cannot afford or don't want to deal with bohemian enclaves like Silver Lake.  In addition, there has been an influx of Catholic Latinos into the area.  These two groups are trending Dem, and will push the area into a deeper hue of blue politically.

So, with the population described above, why hasn't this district thrown out Harman and held a coronation for Bernie Sanders?  The third area has a different make-up.  The South Bay is more conservative, and is much more suburban in mindset, but it is not knee-jerk hostile to everything modern progressives hold dear.  After I left the South Bay to live in West LA, I believe Redondo Beach elected a Log Cabin Republican (again correct me if I am wrong).  During the recall I saw many Schwarzeneggar signs go up, but no McClintock signs (for the uninitiated, the rabid conservative in the recall election).  A lot of the South Bay residents were drawn to Schwarzeneggar's message of laissez- faire economic policies without being driven away by the typical conservative social values that usually make them feel, at best, lukewarm about Republicans, even if they vote for them.  In addition, there is a strong libertarian streak, and these people are paying attention to Bush's attitude towards civil liberties.  The bottom line about this is that most Republicans in this area are the ones that have abandoned the Republican ruling coalition in the last year as Bush's numbers have dropped.  This area is centrist, probably even center-right, but they are not the Bush-bots of Utah, Idaho, or Alabama.  The people voted for Schwarzeneggar and probably Bush, but they are willing to listen and many will be swayed by a Democrat that has the courage of her convictions, not a bland Democratic that has the power of her connections.

In addition, the Democratic legislature gerrymandered the district in 2000 to make it a Dem safe district since Harman first ran '92.  Having glanced at the old map, Harman would have made sense.  It included parts of Palos Verdes, which is affectionately referred to as Orange County-lite.

So, why is it important to move from a 74 to 97 on a voting record?  Because we can, the district would support it in the general election, and might even be energized by someone who more closely represents its values in Congress.  This is a safe place to make a stand, the d next to the name, barring catastrophe, will not change whether the ballot says Harman or Winograd.

The questions comes down to where your loyalties lie.  Are you member of the Democratic party first?  Or are you a liberal/progressive whose loyalty to the Democratic goes only so as the Democratic party advances what you believe?  In the Mississippi 2nd or the California 50th, you take what you get, and thank god you have a competitive candidate with a d next to their name.  I don't even mind when they go off the reservation on votes to placate a more conservative base, because that is the way it has to work in those districts, but not in the California 36th.

My answer to the above questions is that I am a liberal first, and a Democrat only so far as the party can advance the agenda.  Yes, I voted for Kerry, but the nature of the election forced me to not think about am I a democrat or a progressive.  When I lived in Massachusetts (a long, cold time ago),  I had the opportunity to vote for Kerry in the Senate, and I didn't because the dynamics of the race allowed me to ask am I a democrat or liberal first (that was the adjective then).  I voted for a fringe candidate as a protest.

So, let's see, I am not really worried about a Republican challenger defeating the dem in November.  I do have a congresswoman that is probably to the right of the district.  And I have a challenger who agrees with me more, and might help send Rahm, Hillary, and Jane a message not to pander to the center where it is not necessary.  

Three things I care very deeply about are the war, my civil liberties, and making life as easy as possible for the middle class (me).  Harman is for the war, for encroachments on liberties, and for making my life harder if I hit a rough patch  (voted for the bankruptcy bill).  Winograd agrees with me on these, and might develop into a leader in Congress that advocates progressivism.

Should Left-Blogistan support Winograd with publicity and money?  I don't care.  Go and fight the Republicans for the soul of the country.  Good, I support you.  Should Left-Blogistan be hostile when an upstart for a primary in a safe district tries to either a)represent the views of its constituents better, or b) push the more conservative representative to the left? No, it should at least be neutral, while I vote to influence the soul of the Democratic party to make it less of a milquetoast- cautious party and more of a proud progressive party that has the courage of its convictions, even in the face of the conventional wisdom of the punditocracy that warns us to be cautious, or we might get beaten like a red-headed step-child again.

Oh, by the way,  I am not Marcy Winograd's Husband, child, campaign staffer, or any other position connected with the campaign.  I am one 26 year old teacher living in Mar Vista (part of the CA-36) that has worked himself up into such a lather that I will vote for her, donate to her, and (schedule-permitting) walk the district for her, or something.  I am tired of consultant types, or people who would agree with them telling me I have to vote pragmatically.


by bhirsh26 on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 05:47:06 PM EST

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Good to hear the same positivity from someone -- a fellow teacher (Marcy's a teacher, not me), no less -- not connected with Marcy's campaign, and also helpful perspective on the demos of the district, which jibe with my own observations and information.  I would only add that Harman has indeed received major bucks from the defense industry corporations in the district; they are among her leading contributors.  There is a pretty funny and poignant photo in which those corporate Harmanites have gathered together in one poster to support her, and I hope I can find it to post it


Buddy Gottlieb
by budlawman on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 08:06:24 PM EST
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(Disclosure: I am bhirsh's ex, and thus have lived in the same neighborhoods he has.  I also usually take glee in proving him wrong, but in this rare instance, I think he's right on.)

I wanted to chime in with three references with actual statistics:

go to http://www.colorofmoney.org/city.asp and select "Los Angeles".  These stats show the breakdown of donations to 2004 presidential candidates by white-minority and white-majority neighborhoods.    It's unsurprising that white-minority neighborhoods contributed more to Sharpton & Mosely-Braun; more notable is that these neighborhoods also turned out more for Kucinich than for Kerry.

This map of LA 2004 presidential campaign contributions is interesting; no surprises here, though.  It just shows the density of political contributions to be mostly in the northern and predominantly Dem part of the district, with the rarer but definitely redder part in the south bay.  

Here's the well-hidden 2000 census info for CA-36.  Due to issues well beyond the scope of this discussion, Latinos are not considered to be racially distinct, so the census info lists the racial breakdown of the 36th to be:

White - 61.3%
Black - 4.2%
Native - 0.9%
Asian - 13.6%
Pacific Islander - 0.5%
Other - 14.8%
Mixed - 5.0%
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= approx 100%

This might lead one to conclude that the 36th is majority white, however the separately cited "Hispanic or Latino (of any race)" statistic is 30.3%.  So....  I don't really know exactly what this means, but it would seem that whites (where "white" doesn't include "Latino") comprise 30 - 35% of the 36th.

Of course with all this talk of race, I don't mean to imply that people break down into simple and clear voting patterns.  However, the 36th is a racially mixed mostly middle-class district, and it's ridiculous to think that the corporate interests Harman panders to are relevant to the vast majority of the residents here.

I have probably said way too much already -- I hope these resources are interesting to people, and I'd love to hear other, better-informed people analyze these statistics.


by eeblet on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 11:08:06 PM EST


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