Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA)

I've been following Marcy Winograd, a primary challenger to uberhawk Jane Harman for about a month now.  When Winograd supporters blocked the automatic endorsement of Harman by the California Democratic Party, I took notice.  If there are locals on the ground in CA-36, I'd love your thoughts.  It's not clear if Winograd can win, but it's clear that there is substantial grassroots anger at Harman.



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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 2)

I used to live in Jane Harman's district and I hated that there wasn't a challenger to her.  I once even thought about challenging her even though I didn't have any money or experience in politics.  A couple of years ago I moved out of her district and into Maxine Waters district and I am much happier to have her as my Representative.

I hadn't heard about the challenge, but now I will donate some money to Winograd's campaign.  I didn't know about the Calitics website either so thanks for the link.


by derekcbart on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 11:35:17 AM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 1)

Signs are going up here in venice and I know a few people here who are very excited, as am I, to have a solid challenger  to DINO Harman.

I hear code pink is going to be working on winograd's behalf which is great.

My worry is she'll play very well here in venice, santa monica. yet the CD extends south in to some much less classically liberal areas.

But in a low turnout, the energized grassroots folks could have a pretty sizable effect.


by lovedog7 on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 01:17:19 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (none / 0)

Keep Code Pink away.


by Matt Stoller on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 02:41:40 PM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 2)

There substantial Grassroots anger at anyone who doesn't bow down to their rhetoric. Sorry. I've seen and been to too many 'Grassroots' meetings filled with ill-informed people fueled only by emotion and anger. No logic. No sense of history of a topic. Certainly no political sense.

And I've yet to see ONE 'Grassroots' candidate win. Some me a dozen or so of those and my attitude will change.

I think Jane Harman has served this country well in a very difficult position where she can't talk about 99% of what she has learned in committee.

Once againg we form the Democratic Circular Firing Squad and given aid and comfort to the Republicans. Dumb.

I doubt anyone has taken that into consideration.


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by BigDog on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 02:27:32 PM EST

Re: Semi-apology (3.00 / 1)

The volunteers in any campaign are priceless. My comments, heated after the zillionth time of being told how to do something after 40 years of campaigns, were overboard.

But the first thing I ask now is: ' How many years have you been doing this?" My usual response is an very confident 2-3 years.

My second question is usually: "What is your favorite book on campaigning and how to win?" That usually draws a blank stare.

Politics is a mystical blend of strategy and principle.

While wars can be won with brute force, a political campaign cannot. Someone really wants to impress me...tell me they've understand and accept politics as 'the art of compromise'.

Most people who self-describe as 'Grassrooters' don't believe in compromise and therefore never could never function on a Water District Board much less in a legislative office.

So my comments were overheated and I apologize to those well meaning folks who,I'm afraid don't even understand what it takes to be a successful Congressperson. And 'howling at the moon', my phrase for ineffective action and overheated remarks, isn't even on the list.

I was overheated a few moments ago and that was no more appropriate.


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by BigDog on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 03:11:25 PM EST
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Re: Semi-apology (3.00 / 2)

This is a very insiderish tact... and one that the majority of us here have been routinely confronted with; that is, someone asserting some authority that, as if by default, should grant them final say on the subject.  

I can guarantee you with complete confidence that 99.99% of the people posting here are not mere spectators, even if our levels of experience vary greatly because of age, or other factors.  Moreover, from day one, when most of us stepped into a campaign office to "volunteer," we've had to confront that old and trite adage, "Politics is the art of what's possible."  So, while it's good to be reminded of the obvious now and then, sometimes it's not necessary.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 06:01:55 PM EST
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Re: Semi-apology (none / 0)

And I guarantee you that most here don't lift a finger in any race. You are the exception.

And politics isn't easy and it isn't simple.

I do appreciate your point.


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by BigDog on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 11:20:58 PM EST
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Re: Semi-apology (none / 0)

After letting your comment run around the back of the brain for the last hour or two I guess I want to say this to you:

If you want to be good at something study it!

I haven't found many volunteers and, also many candidates, who take this country's political affairs serious enough to actually study it. It's like they think that it's a matter they can get from simply feeling deeply.

I guess that was my point. None of this makes me any better but it does mean that I may have a background that has a deeper education in the history and literature of getting people elected.

There's a ton of political books, how to and biographical, out now. Read one a month for a year and you'll know more than most candidates. Read one a week and you'll be really ahead of the game.


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by BigDog on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 12:16:35 AM EST
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Re: Semi-apology (none / 0)

Well, i guess am on my way.

Hey, I appreciate your input, and see that you make serious contributions, which, of course, we (Democrats) need more of.

Thanks for your many contributions.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 02:05:58 AM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 2)

Once againg we form the Democratic Circular Firing Squad and given aid and comfort to the Republicans. Dumb.

I doubt anyone has taken that into consideration.

Many of us have considered this, and I believe you are adopting a Republican talking point previously applied to critics of the Iraq War in order to quell debate within the Party.  If residents of Winograd's district are not satisfied with Harman, they have every right to protest and change the political landscape.  


by illinois062006 on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 03:59:26 PM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (none / 0)

I think she's no more 'in favor' of that war than you are. Ask her. I yet to find someone who really WANTS that war.


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by BigDog on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 11:22:08 PM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 0)

This is the "default" reaction, so am quite sure that anyone paying attention has given your concerns some consideration.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 05:53:32 PM EST
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Re: Harman was NOT blocked from endorsement (none / 0)

From Calitics as a clarification:

Just to be clear, the vote this weekend was not about endorsing anyone this weekend.  The vote was about putting candidates on the consent calendar for endorsements at the party convention at the end of this month.  (For those who don't know, a "consent calendar" is a list of non-controversial things that can be passed by the body en masse).  Even had Harman won the vote this weekend, any five delegates to the Party Convention from the district could have pulled her off the consent calendar.  And given that Winograd received over 30 votes, it's likely that she could have found 5 delegates to the convention out of those 30+ people who voted for her to pull Harman from the consent calendar.

Note, at the convention only a subset of those who voted this weekend will be eligible to vote.  Also note that there is a 60% threshold at the convention for endorsement.

Without knowing for whom (Harman, Winograd, no endorsement) each of the convention delegates voted for, it's hard to know whether Winograd has a shot at denying Harman the endorsement at the convention.  If she has the votes to do so, that really would be a coup for her.  But in any case, everything turns upon what happens at the convention at the end of this month.

At the end of the month at the Convention, Jane Harman will get the endorsement of the State Party. That's almost a lead-pipe cinch.


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by BigDog on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 02:33:25 PM EST

Re: Harman was NOT blocked from endorsement (none / 0)

I should note as well that there's a good explanation of the party endorsement process at Say No To Pombo.


by jsw on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 02:47:07 PM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 1)

After having spent yesterday afternoon at a campaign event with Marcy in Mar Vista, I can tell you the frustration, if not outright anger with Jane Harman from my neighbors was palpable.  

Aside from her support of the Patriot Act and positions on the war, and her vote on bankruptcy legislation, Jane's presence in my district is barely felt.  I have never heard of her appearing anywhere in my neighborhood, nor speak to any local issues.  She seems to me to be the consummate beltway insider.  

On the other hand, it took exactly 15 minutes of hearing Marcy speak before I volunteered for her campaign.  I think Marcy is the real deal, and I think she can, and will win.  She's pure grass roots.


by Ozzie on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 06:00:13 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 2)

I live in CA-36, and will be stopping by Marcy Winograd office before the primary -- may be she'll appreciate the help of this wet-behind the ears volunteer, that's not yet selected his favorite "how to" campaign manual.

My least tasteful experience with Jane Harman was around the time of the Bankruptcy Bill, which she supported and voting for.  I, of course, wrote a letter seeking a clarification for her support of the bill and I also urged her to vote against it.  Now, I certainly didn't expect to change her mind -- though am still wet behind the ears, am also a realist -- but it wouldn't been nice to have received some sort of substantive explanation, even it came in the form of a canned response.  In stead, what I got was a canned response from her office, explaining how Jane Harman supported the bill because it would ensure that people take personal responsibility, and that it was for that reason that she supported the bill, blah, blah, blah.

At any rate, though politics is about the art of possible, I also believe in accountability... and I also believe in holding my representatives to their end of the bargain.  Jane Harman has not represented me very well, so I owe her nothing during the primaries.  Come the general election, well, that's a different animal.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 06:17:24 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (3.00 / 1)

bedobe- don't wait! There's less than eight weeks!

Personally, my ears are so wet my neck is wearing scuba gear.

Didn't stop me.  Might be the first time I ever volunteered for anything, much less a political campaign.

Volunteer now!  After she wins, we'll write our own damn book!


by Ozzie on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 06:32:47 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (none / 0)

I don't live in Harman's district, and I'm on the fence about whether I want to see her return to Congress or not.  Her DINO votes on issues mentioned in these comments distress me greatly.  But I also realize that she has Congressional seniority and expertise in foreign intelligence area.  Regardless, I encourage you to take BigDog's comments seriously and use them to improve the effectiveness of your efforts so that Harman gets a loud wake-up call, win or lose.

BigDog is correct that "grassroots" can often be a euphemism for ineffective opposition seeking only emotional release in being oppositional.  Do yourself and grassroots activism a favor and educate yourself about how to achieve results so that your activism is taken seriously and has tangible results.  Waving your candidate signs at rush-hour traffic that is whizzing through your area and that probably doesn't live or vote in the district is ineffective... but emotionally satisfying for some.  Going door-to-door to high-propensity or targeted voters is very effective... and harder work.  ("Targeted?" "High-propensity?" "Effective?" To answer these questions, do your homework.)

If you follow up on BigDog's criticism, you will learn to volunteer for and to supplement effective political strategies and activities and not just attend coffees and cocktail parties where half the people in attendance may not or cannot actually support your cause and candidate.  The only book you and anybody else should be writing is an account of how you did your homework and how it paid off for your candidate and cause!


by Phonatic on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 10:27:03 PM EST
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Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (none / 0)

With all do respect, I do live in her district, and I'm not on the fence, and I am doing something about it.

Why would you immediately assume that I will be outside the Fatburger at Sawtelle and Venice Blvd. waving a Winograd sign?

I will do what her people ask of me.  I am a neophyte, and I until I don't view myself as one, I will gladly and enthusiastically defer to the knowledge and expertise of her campaign staff.

I understand your intentions is good.  I know you're on our side.  But if you believe your job to be pragmatic buzzkiller for any and all newcomers to the political process, then I would humbly suggest we are doomed.

And please, please post your reading list-you know, the books all the Democrats who have won over the last ten years have referenced.


by Ozzie on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 03:35:29 AM EST
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Harman Sucks (none / 0)

I only recently moved out of CA-36 after years living in El Segundo under the shadows of Jane Harman's benefactors: Chevron, Boeing and Raytheon. Several family members still live there and are voting for Winograd. (I have never voted for Harman and never will.)

About winning, I don't know what is required to deny Harman the endorsement of the party, but I'd say it is a vital step. Whom do we contact? The state party? Local party officials? Do I have to physically show up in Sacramento protesting Harman, or can we do this in L.A.?

In Jane Harman, we have one of the worst representatives, but one who is particularly soaked in corporate cash and being groomed for either a statewide elected office or a choice committee chair once the Democrats take over Congress.

We don't want her to be the next Dianne Feinstein squandering a reliably progressive Senate seat. Nor do we want her in charge of any committees, especially not the Intelligence Committee.

The good news is that her positions are incredibly unpopular with everyone who doesn't work for a newspaper or play golf all day. I'd like to see how she wins running on bankruptcy reform and Iraq.


by mildewmaximilian on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 07:49:07 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (none / 0)

I've not been happy with Ms. Harmon in a while -- Patriot Act and Bankruptcy bill come to mind.

I haven't heard anything about Ms. Winograd's campaign, but I will certainly be looking in to it!


by fwaltman on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 09:46:18 PM EST

Re: Marcy Winograd Challenges Jane Harman (D-CA) (none / 0)

Jane Harmon is hated by the progressive community in her district, she has been horrible on our issues.  Since Marcy entered the race many of the communities have been very responsive to her, the volunteers who come each weekend to pick up their precinct packets are fired up.  

CODEPINK can't get involved, it is a non-profit, but all the women and men from CODEPINK are giving what they can of time, money and connections.  This race is very important, the possibility is here, it is all about the numbers, so get to her nearest headquarters and give your time, or your money, get involved.  Show the hawk Harmon she can't behave that way and keep her job, and show other Hawks out there, that the progressive movement can be effective in holding them responsible.  Don't complain get out there and make a difference, it can happen in CA-36!


by heartofj on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 09:51:09 PM EST


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