AP Stealing from Raw Story

Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story posts about the AP taking her work and not giving her publication credit in a follow-up.  'We don't credit blogs' was the line from the AP.

We contacted an AP senior editor and ombudsmen both and both admitted to having had the article passed on to them, and both stated that they viewed us as a blog and because we were a blog, they did not need to credit us. What we are or are not is frankly irrelevant. What is relevant is that by using a term like blog to somehow excuse plagiarism, the mainstream press continues to lower the bar for acceptable behavior. It need not matter where the AP got the information, research, and actual wording from. What matters is that if they use it in part or in whole, they must attribute properly. A blog or a small press publication or grads students working in the corner of a library all equally deserve credit for their work, period.

Unfortunately this is far too common and has happened to me and to other writers and bloggers far too frequently. This time, however, we made a point of tape recording the AP apparatchiks admitting to taking our work and using it without attribution, stating "we do not credit blogs".

While they will not credit us in any way; they will instead credit advocacy groups, as though that somehow excuses them from having to attribute rightfully. This is what their first article on the documents' said: "Lesbian and gay advocacy groups recently found the change in an 18-page document distributed by National security adviser Stephen Hadley on Dec. 29, without public notice." Yes, the groups had found it in my article, which they gave to the AP.

This is stealing.  Raw Story invested the time and effort to investigate the story, and printed it.  The AP took that work, uncredited, and used it.  The AP should stop stealing from Raw Story.  It's that simple.



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Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

Absolutely, amazing.  I don't think they'd look too kindly on us taking their work just because it is a newswire and not a newspaper.  I mean isn't the AP/UPI just raw data? ...ahem... I know, I know...just making a point that their logic, isn't.


Robin Hayes lied, Robin Hayes cried and thousands of folks lost their jobs.
by The Southern Dem on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 02:19:08 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

It's a shame courts are expensive.....I'd otherwise recommend hiring an attorney and suing.

The more public the action, the worse it makes AP look....and that would be VERY bad for the ad-driven wire, as advertisers don't want their good names sullied by advertising on a paper or wire that is on record for IP theft (and plagiarism is indeed theft of Intellectual property).

I wonder how many lawyers might be interested in taking this on pro-bono for the exposure......


by justadood on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 02:27:58 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

When a news organization interviews a serial murderer, they put the murderer's words in quotes, thereby letting their readers know that the words were not from the news organization.
Even if the AP wishes to denigrate blogs, wouldn't even that awful "blog" deserve the respect given a serial murderer?

In our reality based community, things are actually working the other way.
Most respectable bloggers consider themselves to be a cut above the corporate media, as most bloggers are not owned by the corps profiting from war, pollution and disease.
ABC, CBS, NBC and other wanna-be networks can't report many facts, and must shade others, as facts can effect profits and stock prices.

Raw Story can report on Bush's Blunder in Iraq without worrying that the Board of GE will have lay offs scheduled in the newsroom in the morning!


Jack Ballinger http://bluecollarpolitics.com
by guijackb on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 02:44:51 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (3.00 / 1)

What would Nedra Pickler think of this "kerfuffle"? Nah, they don't care, they're just a bunch of stenographers.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 02:48:31 PM EST

Not An Attractive Case for Lawyers But.... (none / 0)

how about some names and email addresses at
AP ?
by Arthurkc on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 02:55:42 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

Boy,  I don't know. Legally, they may be right, I'm not sure.

But you just know there's some weasly editor who doesn't want to admit that a blog kicked AP's asses on a story.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't happening elsewhere.

You bloggers should really look into forming some kind of trade group to look out for your interests, if there isn't already one.


by Bush Bites on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 02:56:45 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

Does Raw Story have any lawyers on the case to check if they have a case against the AP?


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 03:03:21 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (3.00 / 1)

Yes, but look at it this way:  the AP is admitting they can't get the job done any more and have to crib from the blogsphere.  
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by Grand Moff Texan on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 03:31:58 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

Thanks Matt for bringing this to my attention. It certainly deserves our full attention. There is no excuse for this policy.

I guess I am pleased and proud to say that even the most lowly of bloggers usually give their source, no matter who it is. There is no excuse for this policy by AP.

Raw Story is one of my favorite blogs and to hear of them being plagarized without a thought to the hard work they do is appalling.


by blueeyedpupil on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 03:46:50 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

Dear Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story and all . . .

I am livid, as much by the action of Associated Press as by the authors own words written in the Raw Story update. Larisa Alexandrovna writes, "What we are or are not is frankly irrelevant."  It is this expressed sentiment that causes me great grief.  

I believe no entity, man, woman, child, or being is "irrelevant."  We all have ample worth and need to be recognized for this.  When we share our thoughts particularly through our crafts, we are we are giving a piece of ourselves.  Our written words, or art, are unique productions.  It is a creative endeavor and must be recognized as such.

There is not a living, breathing being on this Earth that does not have value!  All have rights.  Our furry friends realize this. They meet us and greet us; they know. No one is like us.  A man-made title or term does not define the status of excellence.

A blog author is not less literate, aware, important or "relevant" than another. An AP reporter, journalist, novelist, or perceived "amateur" poet do not differ in their craft. Often quality is indiscernible.  A paycheck cannot define copyright and if it does, "Woe is me."  We are a sadder society than I wish to believe is possible!

Please bloggers, and all individuals unite; state your worth and be certain you are properly recognized for your value!

Betsy L. Angert Be-Think


by BL Angert on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 03:53:30 PM EST

It's the Newswire Limbo... (none / 0)

How low can they go?

I can't believe anyone at AP had the cojones to dream up that excuse.  I know I'd be sueing, especially if I had a registered Copyright on the article.


by Phoenix Rising on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 04:06:33 PM EST

Lawsuit? (none / 0)

I realize this is writing for news purposes (substantial fair use aspect), but would failure to credit another news source wholesale be grounds for a lawsuit?


by jonweasel on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 04:08:34 PM EST

Contact NPR "On the Media" Program (none / 0)

I think you should contact the NPR (weekly) "On the Media" program. They might like to do an investigation and run a segment. This "what's the relationship between the new media and the old media" angle is the kind of thing that might interest them. See more at:
http://www.onthemedia.org/

by BB10 on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 05:25:04 PM EST

AP bar lower than any newspaper (none / 0)

In a leading DKos diary last Monday I caught the AP blatantly lying in its headline about Sen Durbin's appearance on Fox News Sunday.  They claimed he said censure was "premature", when actually he was saying that about impeachment and was actually defending Feingold against Chris Wallace's RNC talking points.  They corrected the error in the article, but left the headline:
"Durbin: Censuring Bush over spy program premature"

In follow-up, AP's Jack Stokes (who has had a busy week, what with answering about the editor who got fired for printing an article by Senator Leahy) insists that the AP never corrects headlines even if they're false - only articles.  After all, clients are free to modify or replace headlines.  That's contrary to any newspaper's policy, where errors are documented and corrected whether they appear in a headlines or an article's body.


Strom Thurmond won his US Senate seat on write-in votes before there were computer mailing lists or blogs.
by Freiheit on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 05:48:03 PM EST

Re: AP Stealing from Raw Story (none / 0)

It's blues time, baby! So many know that I so often get so damn far out on those shaky little limbs that the AP zombies probably cannot even acknowledge my existence. Then again, I do get these epiphanies. Here is one.

THE SET UP! Just persuade, maybe, Jerome Armstrong to invent this killer expose that the AP bandits will have no choice but to make off with totally. But put a very subtle disclaimer somewhere where the AP parasites will never bother to focus their crossed, bloodshot eyes. Let them swallow the bait whole. Then just spring the old April Fool trap on them!

That will do the proverbial trick, I would bet. After that we rest easy; play around with the Weekly Word News and such. It will just be so cool!


by blues on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 01:40:15 AM EST

Standard operating procedure for AP (none / 0)

Plagiarism is standard operating procedure at the AP.  I don't meant to suggest that the AP approach is right, but I'm sure they give excuses for stealing stories every day and they're currently amused that bloggers aren't with the picture on how the AP works.

The AP has a cadre of writers whose sole function is to read major publications and vaguely rework headline articles.  As a summer science writer for the Chicago Trib, I found it very edifying to watch the AP wire go out and to pick out all the articles that had been Trib articles and were now, with minimal sentence rearranging and wholesale quote lifting, AP articles -- and when they did this with one of my articles, I knew I had arrived.  When you read an AP article, you can generally tell whether it's original reporting by whether it has a byline.  Articles with no byline are always lifted from other publications.


by Kathy Paur on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 10:39:14 AM EST

Re: Standard AP procedure (none / 0)

To elaborate, there's a good reason the AP operates this way.  Publications find it very convenient to buy AP articles, even those that are blatantly plagiarized, because the AP is a well-understood subscription service, whereas it's a pain to buy articles from so many disparate sources.  That is, the Chicago Trib doesn't complain when the AP republishes a Trib article as AP work because the Trib wants to buy other articles when the AP steals from, say, the Financial Times, because the Trib has a simple procedure for buying from the AP and it's harder to buy from FT on short notice.  

I think the AP doesn't credit original writers so as to not make publications look bad when they reprint AP articles -- the Trib would look stupid if it ran AP articles that simply restated others' work in one massive quote.

And because print publications charge for their articles, the AP actually forms a kind of public good in redisseminating news.

But this logic gets all fouled up when the AP steals from bloggers, because bloggers don't want Money for their work -- they want Credit, and because bloggers don't need the AP to republish news, because bloggers can link to anything.

So in this age of changing intellectual property, bloggers need a different way to coexist with the AP than do the major print publications.  Ideally the AP would credit bloggers' work, and, in return, bloggers wouldn't ask for money -- they'd just be happy to have their work more widely read.


by Kathy Paur on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 11:07:21 AM EST
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