Comparing The Polls On Censure

This morning at Political Wire, Taegan Goddard points out that Republican polling operation Rasmussen Reports has conducted its own poll on censure, coming out with very different results than the American Research Group poll we've been discussing here. While the ARG poll found 46% in favor of censure and 44% opposed, Rasmussen has the numbers flipped, with 45% opposed and 38% in favor. While Rasmussen is known for being fairly reputable for a partisan pollster, this poll was horribly skewed against censure. Just take a look at the question they asked.

Senator Russ Feingold has introduced a measure to censure, or publicly reprimand, President Bush for authorizing the NSA wiretapping program. Should President Bush be censured for authorizing the NSA wiretapping program?

Now compare that with ARG's question.

Do you favor or oppose the United States Senate passing a resolution censuring President George W. Bush for authorizing wiretaps of Americans within the United States without obtaining court orders?

The difference is pretty obvious. As Rasmussen frames it, the question is whether or not the President should be publicly reprimanded for authorizing a program. There is no indication that authorizing such a program may be, in fact, against the law. Thought it gives at least some information, even the ARG poll is somewhat vague on the topic. It's not as if they ended their question with "as required by law," which would probably produce results showing much more support for censure.

This is essentially the same thing as when Rasmussen originally asked if the NSA should be allowed to spy on terrorism suspects and people in the US. They found a substantial majority in favor (64%), which makes sense. Even I agree with that. The numbers would have undoubtedly been different had the question been asked in context of the FISA law, which of course is the issue at hand.

I expect much crowing from Republicans on this new poll. All of it will be completely unwarranted.

Update (Chris): Given the "house effects" (see here and especially here) of ARG and Rasmussen, the truth is probably somewhere in between. Of course, while the truth may be between the two polls, it is also likely that it is closer to ARG. Rasmussen regularly has the wildest outliers of all on Bush job approval (typically about 5-7% higher than the average of other polls). Further, as Scott notes above, Rasmussen's question was quite poor, since there is no mention of the lack of court orders in the program. That is a pretty notable omission, but not surprising given Rasmussen's withdrawal question:
Which is more important, getting American troops home as soon as possible or making sure that Iraq becomes a peaceful nation enjoying freedom and democracy?
Which Bush speechwriter wrote that question for them? The rub is that Rasmussen is a Republican firm that regularly asks slanted questions and produces pro-Republican results through a questionable poll weighting method (I believe all national results are weighted based on the 2004 exit polls), and yet even they couldn't find a majority opposed to Feingold's censure resolution.

Looking back in time, however, at least we now know what level of public support for censure most Democrats need in order to actually sign onto censure. In the autumn of 1998, straight-up censure polls of President Clinton (that is, poll questions that only asked about support for censure, not censure as one of many options) ranged in support from 51%-60%. Our courageous Democratic caucus apparently needs another 10% of the public in support of censure before it occurs to them that Bush broke the law. Then again, since we were talking about a Democratic President back then, and a Republican President now, most Senate Democrats will probably need another 20-30% of the public in favor of it before they decide that Bush broke the law. This is because it is now painfully obvious that even Democratic Senators hold Democratic Presidents to a higher standard.

As for the favorable ratings of Senator Feingold in the Rasmussen poll, I wouldn't put much stock in them. Rasmussen also regularly finds Senator Clinton with a negative net favorable rating (see also here and here), even though no one else ever does.



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38% (none / 0)

from that poll question, and with the complete lack of coverage and response this has gotten from the media and Democratic politicians alike, is still an amazingly high number IMO.

As I've said, Joe Lieberman thought the strong opinion of 33% of the American public was reason enough to censure Bill Clinton.

38% is still higher.


by tparty on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 12:01:59 PM EST

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Yeah -- that's certainly the other side to this. A sizable chunk of people have already made up their minds that Bush should be censured, no matter how the question is phrased.


by Scott Shields on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 12:08:35 PM EST
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Question Wording (none / 0)

The question wording almost always decides the response.

At the same, it was just a ploy for press by Feingold. Censuring the President is a bad idea, it just is almost entirely meaningless. Feingold
was smart to do this.

Dems should've responded differently though.


by optimist on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 12:26:01 PM EST

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polls scholls.

I support Senator Feingold and I have not heard any Progressive who is against censuring this president (unless you count those who are against censure because they wish to go straight to impeachment.)

On Tuesday morning the "Thank Russ" Campaign was started.

I have been calling for a massive viral marketing campaign.  It is very simple.

We need as many people as possible to post this campaign on the blogs that they frequent.

The goal is to send Senator Feingold hand written "Thank You Cards" to his Wisconsin offices.  Petitions and emails and calls are great, but they will not make the impact that hand written thank you notes will.  We cannot send them to DC because there is a two month wait on the screening.  Also, I think the WI offices being flooded will make a bigger impact.

In addition, if people can include $5 or $10 dollars with the thank you cards towards his 2008 Presidential campaign, this increases the impact.

Why thank you cards?  Why the goal of 10,000?

We want to show the media and the other Democrats how much that we support Feingold's courage.  We also want to show that we support Feingold's Resolution.

I picked the Green Bay office, address at bottom of page: http://feingold.senate.gov/contact.html

Here is more information on Senator Feingold and who else would like to see him as our next President:
http://russforpresident.com/

You can find out more about Senator Feingold here:
http://www.russfeingold.org/

The more that I read about Senator Feingold, the more I like.  He has fought for our civil liberties, our jobs, our security, our environment, our rights.  He is a true progressive.

If 10,000 thank you cards flood the Green Bay office in the next couple of days, this will indeed make a media impact and an impact on the other Democrats.

Senator Feingold had the courage and has the conviction to do what we have all been screaming for.

Please pass this on to as many people as possible and please post the Thank You Card Campaign on as many blogs as possible.  I announced it on Thom Hartmann's show yesterday.  Let's get the cards in the mail immediately.

Thanks for your help.

You can go here for more information: http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/0 07098.php

Anjha

"There are no problems only solutions" John Lennon

"If you wanna end war and stuff, ya gotta sing louder" Arlo Guthrie


by Anjha on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 01:52:31 PM EST

Stop! (none / 0)

Russ can't accept campaign $ at his official, taxpayer funded Senate office, and the Green Bay address is official.

Any contributions must go either to his Senate re-election fund, PO Box 620062 Middleton, WI 53562, or to his Progressive Patriots Fund PO Box 628008
Middleton, WI 53562


Keep your eyes on November, Frodo. Don't use The Ring.
by benmasel on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 09:43:55 PM EST
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Re: Comparing The Polls On Censure (none / 0)

Not only does the Rasmussen poll fail to mention the "without a warrant," it also put Feingold's name on the list. This can obscure the results just by making sure people know *who* proposed the resolution and not just about the resolution. Who proposed it shouldn't matter.
~Ryan
by Ryepower12 on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 02:19:43 PM EST

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I'm not a stat person but I also noticed on Rasmussen's poll, they had surveyed an equal number of Reps & Dems (37% each) and 26% Ind. I believe there are more self identified Dems than Reps. I don't think that's an accurate distribution and therefore would skew the polled population towards Reps. or against the censure.


by seaside on Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 02:43:10 PM EST


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