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William F. Buckley; We have failed in Iraq.

by liebermanlives, Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:10:50 PM EST

A bombshell has just been dropped in the lap of George W. Bush. William F. Buckley has written a column in the National Review that the war in Iraq has been lost, and we should think about the next step to be taken to bring our troops home.
As we all know, Buckley is in no way, shape or form and kind of a liberal, yet even he now realizes that all is lost in Iraq. The blast at the Shiite holy shrine yesterday was the final straw in the back for Buckley. He has steadily seen the situation get worse, and he wants to limit the suffering and death from our troops.
Even the falafel man himself, Bill O'Reilly, and Geraldo Rivera are now convinced that the situation in Iraq is no longer winnable, but for Buckley himself to come out and publicly say so, has to be akin to Walter Cronkite going on the air for CBS news, and saying we couldn't win the war in Vietnam.

From the outset, Bush has screwed up iraq so much, that it's impossible to right the ship. The three main factions are just a step away from total civil war, if not already there. Bush, and the allies are scrambling to somehow right a ship that's sinking fast. Some of the most conservatives people around are now abandoning ship, and openly revolting against the misguided and deadly mistake.
I suspect that Buckley is just the tip of the iceberg. No longer are some conservatives going to stand by watch our young men and women's lives being thrown away. Mr. Buckley now realizes this. With everything falling down around him, (Libby, the UAE deal, NSA spying), Bush is a failed president that's for sure. His approval numbers are dropping in just about every poll we see, and over half of the US now seriously want him impeached. The anti-war ferver in this country has never been higher. Time for a course change Mr. President. Jack Murtha has it right, time to cut your losses over time, and leave. Iraq, just like Vietnam, is a lost cause.

Tags: Iraq, William F. Buckley, Bush Administration. (all tags)

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Re: William F. Buckley; We have failed in Iraq. (3.00 / 2)

Hmmm.. I wonder what the war-apologist Lieberman thinks about the Buckley article?

by Winston Smith on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 12:08:30 AM EST

Re: William F. Buckley; We have failed in Iraq. (none / 0)

Especially given he owes his job to William Buckley.

by ElitistJohn on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 11:55:45 AM EST
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Re: William F. Buckley; We have failed in Iraq. (none / 0)

This is a very good entry. But you should really provide some links.

This has become a problem for some, since it pushes them to learn a bit about the idiotic HTML (or newer XHTML) markup system. At MyDD, You can still just give the URL page name; for example:

http://www.slate.com/id/2100712/

That's an interesting one. Or:

http://mediamatters.org/

As some prefer, you could insert an HTML "embedded link," such as:

<a href="http://mediamatters.org/">Media Matters</a>

I did not find the article you refer to, but "Media Matters" has a strange multiplicity of sort-of-mirrors all ovet the 'net.

(I'm posting in "Plain Text" mode. All my posts at MyDD will continue to be in this "Plain Text" mode until I post something and specify "Auto Format" or (God help me) "HTML Formatted".

by blues on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 04:38:25 AM EST

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I'll recommend but I'd sure as hell like a link.

by Seldom Seen Smith on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 05:06:21 AM EST

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Forgot one thing: If Buckley's right, you'll have to change your name to liebermanisfrigginhistory LMFAO!

by Seldom Seen Smith on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 05:12:56 AM EST
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Re: William F. Buckley; We have failed in Iraq. (2.00 / 2)

There is one flaw to this arguement. If people had the choice to do it over again, in battleground states like OH, MO, WV, FL, and NV, they people would support Bush in going into Iraq. And states like PA, NH, and MI, more secular states, I think they would support Bush decision as well, because the governors like Rendell and Granholm support the President. In states like IL and CA and VT, is the decision more lopsided, that's why the polls are scewed, but if you go to individual states, you will get something different. I have evidence, back in early Jan, and I said that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq and I got blasted by members of this blog. The only lopsided poll is that people overwhelmingly, think we should withdraw troops soon rather than later and more whites than minorities, and minorities include Blacks and Hispanics and Asians, supported the idea of invading Iraq. We had this debate in 2004 and we lost. So, it is time to move on and try to persuade the president to redeploy outside of Iraq and if need to move in only when something bad happens that need our troops like before the Iraq invasion.

by mleflo2 on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 09:06:24 AM EST

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Joementum, is that you?

...If people had the choice to do it over again, in battleground states like OH, MO, WV, FL, and NV, they people would support Bush in going into Iraq....

Yeah, that 39% approval and 57% disapproval rating in Missouri is because people don't like the color of his ties.

543,895 votes

by Michael Bersin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 09:32:45 AM EST
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Unfair (3.00 / 1)

Let's face facts. For most people this decision was never about "WMD", etc...that was rationalizaation.

It was really about "rag heads hurt us, we hurt rag heads" to the public mind. That's why they were so easily suckered into the Saddam = Bin Laden lie, etc... It's what they wanted to believe.

The only reason the polls are going against is that a lot of US soldiers are dying or being maimed and now folks are happily pretending they were "mislead" to rationalize their guilt away.

If only Iraqis were dying in droves, the polls would still be favorable.

by ElitistJohn on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 12:01:38 PM EST
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Not really (none / 0)

The only reason the polls are going against is that a lot of US soldiers are dying or being maimed and now folks are happily pretending they were "mislead" to rationalize their guilt away.

Hold up a sign with these numbers and most people will have no idea what they mean.

On the other hand, some do understand.

543,895 votes

by Michael Bersin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 12:40:48 PM EST
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Yippee for them (3.00 / 1)

Really, I get it. I wasn't for this fiasco from the start. However, if you think the public has suddenly discovered reality, you're nuts.

The public is behaving as Americans always behave, self-centered and weasely. They acted on base, firghtened, somewhat racist motivation...and once they discovered it was going to cost them, they flipped.

It's what the US public has always done since WWII, which was last generation of people with a serious sense of duty or honor (albeit very flawed).

by ElitistJohn on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 01:21:56 PM EST
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Re: Yippee for them (3.00 / 1)

Elitist John,

Your understanding of the American psyche is Nobel-worthy. Americans oppose war only when it becomes inconvenient.

by georgewturd on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 03:42:10 PM EST
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Re: Yippee for them (2.00 / 2)

But it doesn't negate the fact that the governors in most of the states supported the authorization of going to Iraq: Rendell, Blagojevich, and Granholm.

by mleflo2 on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 03:52:04 PM EST
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Get it? (none / 0)

...I wasn't for this fiasco from the start...

Neither was I. In fact, depending on who did the asking, I was in the 18% on September 14-16, 2002 or in the 6% on September 21-21, 2001.

...However, if you think the public has suddenly discovered reality, you're nuts...

No, I'm not nuts, you just have an oversimplified view of the universe. dubya has a core of support that, depending on how you look at it and who's counting, ranges between 35% and 40% of the electorate. It would take a monumental screw-up of epic proportions to peel off some of that support (Hurricane Katrina sort of counts with them, Iraq does not). At this point, some of the people who have been fooled some of the time by dubya and his administration recognize that reality. For them, Iraq does count. Social Security does count. Privacy does count. Competence does count. They might have cut him some slack before, but no longer.

543,895 votes

by Michael Bersin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 03:57:39 PM EST
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They weren't fooled (3.00 / 1)

They happily fooled themselves.

They really, really wanted to believe that if you blast any and all funny brown muslim people, it would work. Nuance makes a brain hurt. There aren't nice easy answers so one can quickly do a few catch phrases and go back to watching American Idol.

They aren't complaining about competence...because even the most insanely competent couldn't make the public's preferred policies work. Iraq was idiotic from day one. Social Security will cause hard choices to be made. There are legitimate issues of balance between privacy and security.

What this admin did was pander to the majority of the public by telling them they could do whatever they wanted with no consequences. And the public rewarded them with massive votes and control of everything. Now, shockingly, the consequences any idiot could see are appearing...so they are mad for having their self-delusion ruined, and will vote against them...

For everyone who will promise them a new dream where they can have everything they want with no consequences.

Rinse, lather, repeat...ad nauseum.

by ElitistJohn on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 05:40:29 PM EST
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Typical refrain from a typical old Soviet immigrant:

"I arrived at the land of the stupid."

by blues on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 08:49:15 PM EST

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I stood around on cold street corners in Massachusetts for months before the first murderous rocket bombs were fired into Baghdad, with signs that said "No Iraq Attack". So did dozens of others.

Bush is a queer little bottom feeder.

Not all Americans are stupid.

Meanwhile, the hot-shit social science professors were all comfortable in their fancy dachas, sipping their lattes, reading their stupid statistics.

by blues on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 09:07:03 PM EST
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