The Kill Your Own Base Strategy

Taegen Goddard touched on this briefly over in Breaking Blue, but I'd like to devote a full post to it here, because it really blows my mind.

I have engaged in a decent amount of berating lately toward members of the progressive activist base who, in response to poor Democratic candidates, have indicated that they will do little or nothing to support the Democratic cause in 2006. I stand by those comments, because I feel the progressive response to any given political situation can never be to do nothing. I think this is especially the case when progressives are so desperately in need of strong, extra-party (outside of the party, not a third party) organizing to make sure that in the future we will have more power so as to, among other things, prevent the selection of poor Democratic candidates. However, in the interests of equal opportunity berating, I also want to make it clear that the Democratic Party has been doing a terrible job of firing up its base in recent elections, and it has cost them dearly at the ballot box. Just look at this remarkable data from Gallup (emphasis mine):
While a seven-point margin would give Democrats majority control of the U.S. House of Representatives if all registered voters actually participated in the 2006 election, it is likely many voters will not do so. Typically, this early in the election year Gallup does not ask the "likely voter" questions that are designed to identify the subset of registered voters (RV) who are most likely to vote. Still, our experience over the past two mid-term elections, in 1998 and 2002, suggests that the RV numbers tend to overstate the Democratic margin by about ten and a half percentage points.
I am not the world's biggest fan of the Gallup poll, but Mother of God. We have lost up to 10.5% in the 1998 and 2002 elections on turnout? If we had that 10.5% swing, our deficits in each of those elections would have been turned into victory margins nearly equal to what Republicans put together in 1994. (click here for more info on this)

This is far worse than I think anyone previously imagined the Kill Your Own Vote situation was for Democrats. If this is really true, and Democrats are doing 10.5% worse among Likely Voters than they are among Registered Voters, then I think it goes without saying that we are losing a lot more votes in midterm elections by trying to appeal to swing voters at the expense of our base than we would by trying to appeal to our base at the expense of our swing voters (not the mention the wasted resources this causes us). If this data is accurate, then the only way Republicans have managed to stay in power since 1994, besides stealing the occasional election, is by turning out their base. 10.5%? 10.5%! That is insane, just insane. There aren't that many swing voters out there anymore. Someone better explain to me how dropping 10.5% of our vote through an unmotivated base is somehow helping us win elections. Move to the center and cooperate with Republicans, indeed. Fat lot of good that has done us at the ballot box.



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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

Or it just means that poor voters with little educations, voters who have always been far less likely to turn out, tend to support Democrats.


by dantheman on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:20:52 PM EST

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My educations are little, but I have a lot of them.

(Tip to wingnut trolls: when you sneer at someone's education, don't make stupid mistakes like pluralizing words that don't have a plural. It makes you look like a real wanker.)


by shargash on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 11:06:22 AM EST
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possibly overreacting? (none / 0)

Are you sure about your interpretation of this quote? It is a little bit ambiguous. It says RV numbers tend to overstate the MARGIN by 10.5 percentage points, so is it possible they are talking about 10.5 % of the margin rather than 10.5%  of ALL voters? In otherwords, suppose the survey of RV finds 50%-40% in favor of democrats, then if you are talking about 10.5% of ALL voters, it really means 40.5-40% among likely voters, whereas if you are talking about 10.5% of the difference, then it means roughly 49-40% among LVs, which is not such a huge difference. But if it means the percentage of ALL voters, then holy crap. This could mean one of two things: vote-stealing by the REpukes, low turnout of the Dem base, or more likely some combination of both. Interesting to consider.


by ajpuckett on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:25:23 PM EST

Someone call up Gallup's press office and ask (none / 0)

Or E-mail the press office.  Are we talking 10.5 percent of seven percent or 10.5 percent of 100 percent.  Even the first is .75 percent of the total vote, however, which is still pretty damn significant. But I could believe it.

Also remember that a lot more democrats than republicans have been gerrymandered, or just demographically live in, heavily dempocratic districts (I certainly do), so there might be less of reason to feel compelled to vote in an off-year election.  

That's in addition to feeling disgusted at the choices the parties offer, of course.


by Reptile on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:54:32 PM EST

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How can this be true? The polls that post RV and LV results side by side don't usually have anywhere near that kind of margin. For instance, in 2002 Dems were a few (2-3) points up - if that - among RV's going into the election. We ended up losing by a point or two (if that) nationally, and depending on how you count we might have even gotten more votes overall. Where are they getting this data?

If this is accurate, then we are actually behind right now and can expect to lose more ground, since we're only up 7-8 in the polls among RV's. That's just wrong, I think. I wonder what exactly they're measuring?


by ColoDem on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:54:37 PM EST

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This makes great sense to me.  Republicans consistently make major efforts in trying to intimidate and challenge city voters and minority voters.  Every election has its pictures and stories, all centered on a desperate all-out struggle to frustrate the will of the people (or if you prefer to win at any cost).  Often these efforts are made in mid-size cities: Las Vegas, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Newark, Jacksonville, Columbus and Cleveland all come to mind.  

OTOH, Democrats have stopped making the appeals they used to make to poorer and urban voters.  Think Bobby Kennedy in a black church or talking to farm workers.  John Kerry, where were you?


by David Kowalski on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:59:50 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

They stopped making those appeals because they've taken those voters for granted for decades now, and no longer represent them.


by redstar66 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:55:24 PM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

but yet they go after voters that will never vote for them.  It's amazingly stupid.  Old axiom in politics:  never court voters you can never attain.

Dick Morris, whom I detest, was right when he said in his book that the future trendline is such that as the percentage of the population as a whole who actually votes goes down, the more ideologically driven those who DO vote are.  Makes sense.  Our base is depressed, and had been for several years now.  And the results have been a war, tax cuts for the rich and assholes like Roberts and Alito deciding our future.

We will win with bold initiatives, not being pussies to appeal to redstate hausfraus who we will never get.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 07:34:57 PM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (3.00 / 1)

There is a saying-
Do you know what the difference between Republicans and Democrats is?
Republicans show up.

Our young didnt vote- I couldnt get them to register.  Want to know why- because they didnt want jury duty.  We - being a party that is suppose to embrace our constitution is doing something wrong here when our young are willing to toss their right to vote- so they dont have to oblige their duty that upholds our 7th amendment rights to a trial of our peers.  Makes me nervous wondering if most jurors are republicans.

Anyway- My real motive for writing is that we need to get this campaign going-- VOTE ABSENTEE!

From the California Democrat Chairman Art Torres:
Sandy
The Chairman agrees with you in that we need to encourage absentee voting.  The Chair has posted his thoughts on the matter on Chairman's Corner, which we will also be updating as news stories become available on the subject: http://blog01.kintera.com/Chairman/.  Senator Bowen also put out a release on this as well:
http://democrats.sen.ca.gov/templates/SD CTemplate.asp?a=5051&z=69&cp=Pre ssRelease&pg=article&fpg=senpres sreleases&sln=Bowen&sdn=28   Thank you very much for your thoughts, we appreciate it.    

Sincerely,
Joe Molica
Communications,
Office of the Chairman
joe@cadem.org


by Sandie on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:11:27 PM EST

Absentee Voting (none / 0)

was the first voting I ever did.  I turned 18, registered to vote, and voted for Gore in 2000.  Absentee.  I also spent time registering voters before the 2004 elections.  It's hard to get people to return to the polls after they've become cynical after an upset like this one, but I'll try.  
 
by cather on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:37:43 PM EST
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Considering the laying of hands on Diebold in CA. (none / 0)

Absentee is literally the ONLY way to go.
I've been doing it for awhile now.

Regarding the Jury Duty thing, in the defense of young people, until a couple years ago, taking time off for jury duty, even one day for selection would be a potentially ruinous financial event for me. As I didn't actually get paid time off working "contract".

Even now, i've got my summons, which is indeed linked to voting registration records. For voting in the last election. I am in a department of two, anytime one is out, the other has twice the work load.

So what happens?
We're BOTH (Regular reliable progressive voters) being called into Jury Duty.

It's a real problem, that nobody ever wants to address.

I would LOVE to serve on a jury, but it used to be that I couldn't afford it, and now it creates too much of a hardship for my work.

jury duty and voter registration are linked though.

A friend of mine tested this theory, by registering to vote with his address and "Apartment A" when there is no apartnment number. Sure enough, like clockwork when his jury duty summons arrived it was addressed to Apartment A.
-C.


by neutron on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:57:11 PM EST
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Yes. This could work. (none / 0)

If every single non-Republican vote was absentee, it could work.

The current scheme is allowing the Republicans to "flip" a certain number of votes to keep a race close that might be starting to slip away from them.  In this way, they can have a race turn out 51% to 49% in their favor even when the polls indicate that the results should most likely have been 53% to 47% against them.  That "swing" doesn't look particularly ominous to the "average person" who hasn't been taught (or retained) a lot of math.  It's not the blowout basketball game that swings from 55-45 to 65-110 -- THAT they would understand.

If we remove a large majority of non-Republican votes to the absentee pool, they will not be counted at first.  The MOST votes the Republicans can steal for themselves is the total number of non-absentee votes cast.  If the number of absentee votes exceed that number, they will HAVE TO BE COUNTED (rather than discarded, as is usually the case).  Those will hopefully be counted in a manner that is somewhat less likely to be manipulated to favor the Republicans (though, of course, much of the ballot-counting software is corrupted as well).

This would give us a small chance of having a nearly fair election.

Our only hope is to VOTE and to do it by absentee ballot that we hand-deliver ourselves or drop in an official ballot-collection box.  Do NOT mail them and do NOT give them to somebody to deliver.  There have been too many Republican scams around that little trick of picking up or intercepting Democratic ballots and then having them never turn up.

Charlie L
Portland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com


by CyberChas on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:49:26 PM EST
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Blame the employers!!! (none / 0)

Our society needs to blame the EMPLOYERS for this shit of ruining people financially for being jurors.  Yes, most jurors are Republicans.  And older/retired.

But the GOP wants to keep it this way...to their benefit.

Our party is being roasted like a pig and the national Dems aren't doing shit about it.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 07:38:52 PM EST
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i registered a ton of college kids (none / 0)

and we increased the turnout from 11% in an off-year primary to 69% in the 2004 election (link). early voting, lots of GOTV, and a registration drive that got them as they moved into their dorms and apartments. 18-30 voters are he only cohort to have voted for kerry, and we did it by 10%. if we bothered to do this in every year, not just big presidntial elections, i think we'd be a lot more successful.


by wu ming on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 01:53:01 AM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

As an utter non-expert on polling, I'm amazed that a consistent 11 point RV/LV differential against the Dems hadn't been picked up before.

Just looking at the Polling Report generic House numbers, the Democracy Corps LV numbers never get to an 11 point margin: their latest is 41-49.

Yet the latest Pew RV numbers (fieldwork a week after DC) show 41-50, and ABC's RV (which scores the Dems consistently above the rest) 38-54.

Is the Gallup 11 point margin good for ABC polls? Or is it rather higher?

If it's true that Dem supporters have a lower propensity to vote than GOP, how much is shaken out by only polling RVs? (Put another way, is there a special way needed of reaching those Dem supporters who are bothered enough to register, but not bothered enough to self-select as LVs?)

And is Gallup comparing RV numbers with LVs, or with actual results in the general?

Presumably, if the latter, the 11 point (or whatever) margin would also include the net effect of gerrymanders and other district-related factors that a generic poll can't test for.

In 1992, Dems managed a margin of 82 seats on just 49.9% of the vote, with a margin in votes of only 5.1 points (with some VRA gerrymanders working against them, but with the TX gerrymander working for them).

In 2004, the GOP managed a 30 seat margin with a score of 49.2-46.6.

I'd somehow be surprised if the 11 point margin has held over that period.

Some actual expertise to throw light on the subject greatly welcome!


by skeptic06 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:18:05 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

Agreed. There's a million things they could be talking about. I'm not sure exactly what it is.


by ColoDem on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:30:07 PM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

You're catching on there, Chris. You're catching on...


by redstar66 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 04:53:44 PM EST

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Not having read the full Gallup article, I don't see anything to support the 10.5 point number in the data you have.  It looks like the swing was often a few points, but never to the extent that you described.

What I do know is that due to gerrymandering, a 2 (or is it 4?  one of them) nationwide point lead for the Dems is pretty much a tie as far as taking back the House goes.  So we have to make up for both the historic turnout disadvantage and the fact that there are far more vast majority Dem districts, such as inner cities, than there are vast majority GOP districts.

As for the turnout edge, Dems are angry this year, while the Reps are embarrassed.  I think the turnout won't hurt us so much this year.


by ZamboniGuy on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 05:01:21 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (3.00 / 1)

Someone please submit an example of what this means- it sounds worse than it is (though probably an indication of needed improvement). For example, if a Dem is leading 55-45 RV; does that mean the race is 50-50? and thus understating Reps by 10 pts? I just don't think that's what it means-other comments about the type of district and the fact that the MOE for individual districts is greater, means that we need to undertstand clearly this statistic before unhinging ourselves.    


by RAULC on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 05:13:48 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (3.00 / 2)

This is the major problem for the party and a consequence of strategists and operatives who are severely out of touch.
If you think 10.5 is bad just wait to see what happens when the strategists decide to put more candidates like Casey in play. This has been my point right along; no amount of berating readers throughout the blogs will change the fact that between 20 and 25% of Democratic voters will not be bullied, shamed, berated or spun into voting for or supporting religious right candidates whatever their nominal party affiliation.  
If we 'liberal activist elites' hadn't been warning about just this thing for several years I would have more patience with the party centrists and their unsufferable arrogance.
 
by colleen on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 05:34:02 PM EST

National Party doesn't feed the base (none / 0)

Dems have 3 things in common from what I can see.  

First Dems believe that there is a role for government, Republicans believe the opposite, they push the private sector.  

The second thing is that Dems believe we ought to pull together as a collective whenever possible.  Republicans believe in individualism whenever possible.

The third thing, Dems believe in social progress, Republicans believe in individual progress.

Organizations like the DLC are front and center in the national party, and compromise most aspects of what I think makes a Dem a Dem, they muddle and confuse what we stand for.  The DLC was fine when it was 1992, when it was used as a vehicle to win over independants, now it has usurped the core of the party.  With Dean coming in we have entered a wierd limbo where the battle for retaking control has been partially won leaving party is in limbo, wihtout a firm power center.

What does the party bring us because of this confusion and weakness?  A confused message on the bankruptcy bill, a confused message on NAFTA, a confused message on Iraq, and so on and so forth.  They don't stand up for the core Dem philosophy.  The wrong people are stepping in to fill the gaps in the power structure.  The wrong people are taking advantage of our weaknesses for personal gain at the expense of the party.  Win or lose, we have to stand up for what we believe in or nobody has a reason to vote for us, including the party faithful.  Why show up when the only thing being tossed about is monkey crap.


Enough already...
by pjv on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 05:36:25 PM EST

Re: National Party doesn't feed the base (none / 0)

Republicans believe there is a role for government (1) as an object of worship (civic religion, flag sacration, etc.) (2) to preserve power relations at home (union busting, domestic spying, etc.) (3) to preserve social norms at home (restricting marriage, imprisoning blacks, etc.) (4) to kill foreigners (border controls, various wars,  etc.). Republicans believe in national unity, excluding such un-Americans as protesters, unionists, blacks, gays, non-Christians, non-idolatrous-Christians, etc.


by Left for the Left on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 01:03:04 AM EST
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Re: National Party doesn't feed the base (none / 0)

Tis true, they believe in a security aparatus as the only role of the Federal government.  All other roles are 'expansionist liberalism'.


Enough already...
by pjv on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 01:54:15 AM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

Firing up the base is especially important in midterm elections since the casual voters (and I would imagine those who aren't very partisan or who don't follow politics much) probably aren't paying as much attention or don't care enough since there is not a Presidential election.  The turnout at those elections I would guess is more concentrated at the extremes - the hardcore Democrats/Liberals and the hardcore Republicans/Conservatives.  When you don't fire up your base in those elections, going after the middle doesn't do you any good since the middle isn't going to show up anyway.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:00:26 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

Very interesting.  I'd love to understand more why our people are staying home.  After all, people don't vote for a host of reasons and not all are related to candidate positions.  It would be great if firing up our base would change this but I'd like to know that with more certainty.


by John Mills on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:19:30 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

It is the war an greed that has gotten the public mad a Bush. There isn't much if any doubt about this.  It is also undoubtedly true that prowar democrats that like the bankruptcy bill are completely undeserving of the votes of anyone concerned with these issues.


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by Dameocrat on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 08:00:23 PM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

The question I want to answer is why people don't go to the polls.  Is it anger with Dem positions, unable to vote due to job or other concerns needing attention, identifying as Dems but really don't care enough to vote?

I do know the avg voter doesn't really follow politics all that closely.  If we want to increase turnout amongst registered voters identifying themselves as Dems we need to know what drives them and how we can get them to vote.


by John Mills on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 11:35:02 PM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

The reality is that the Dems really genuinely don't know what they're about anymore, and I'm not saying that to be snarky. I don't think anyone knows what to do about the fact that we are in a world economy and that we're running out of oil and that the U.S. uses an undue proportion of the world's resources. The pubs response to these issues has been a mixture of denial, and take the money while they can get it. The Democrats, having no alternatives to offer, have basically done nothing. (Of course, we do know what we need to do about oil - we need to reduce consumption dramatically and develop alternative fuels. But those things are both Hard to do, and they mean money must be diverted from big oil companies to people who will deliver alternatives. And in America, taking money away from any powerful entity that has been used to getting it is practically unheard of. Defense contractors are another example of that mentality.)

What should we be doing as a country about the fact that jobs are disappearing, for example? To actually deal with this problem requires a change in the framework we have been operating in. The framework, roughly, is that competition is the basis for a strong capitalist economy and that in a competitive environment, winners win and losers lose. The Dems occasionally try to find ways to help the losers while the pubs say screw the losers. But is this the only lens through which we can view the world? On a basic level, the facts that laws and loopholes have been passed over time that encourage corporations to damage people and the environment could be addressed. Actually leveling the playing field might be a beginning. But could we go deeper than that?

The Dems desperately need to take a look at this country and the conditions prevailing in it and develop fundamental change options. Things like single-payer healthcare. Just because healthcare was readily available through employers for a period of time doesn't mean it can only be made available that way. Because it ain't available to most people that way anymore. The pubs don't care - the Dems should care and they need to develop a framework that separates healthcare from jobs.

Etc., Etc.


by aahhgh on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:31:26 PM EST

I will vote! (3.00 / 2)

I'm going to keep on voting.

Not because I am confident that my vote will be counted, because I am not.

No.  I have seen the Republicans steal four elections in a row with more and more skill each time since 1998.  Hagel was the first test, then the theft of the U.S. Presidency in 2000, then the mid-term thefts (especially Georgia) and then the second theft of the Presidency in 2004.

I am going to vote for one reason only.

At some point, as long as we are allowed to have elections at all, there will come a moment...

...a moment when four things come together:

1. The exit polls and pre-election polls will be so far off from the counted votes that the only possible cause is that a fraud has occurred (this is what happened in '98, '00, '02, and '04),

and

2. The American people will FIND OUT ABOUT IT (perhaps through the internet, perhaps word-of-mouth, perhaps even through a tiny sliver of non-Corporate/Government controlled media such as  Air America),

and

3. A large enough percentage of Americans realize what has been done to them and decide that they are going to take a "stand" the way brave Americans did in 1776, and fight for their Democratic Republic,

and

4. With sudden, unorganized, spontaneous, and massive force and fury, these Americans take to the streets and seats of power and literally choke this country to a standstill and DEMAND a return to Representative Electoral Democracy (paper ballots optically scanned with results made public at the precinct level BEFORE centralized final tabulation and non-partisan Secretaries of State and election boards).

I am going to keep voting, because I dream of a day when that perfect storm will come and a "massive national flash mob" will happen.

Perhaps it will be November 8, 2006.  Perhaps not.

I will be there, wearing orange (the color of resistance) or white (the color of hope and purity).

I will fight for this country so that my children and (hopefully) grandchildren can have it the way Jefferson imagined it.

I will vote, so that my vote stands as a reminder to the corporations and fascists that they will have to kill me to take my Democratic Republic from me.

I will vote because people DIED to give me the chance to vote.

I will vote, and I will never, ever vote for a Republican.  Even if there are nothing but Republicans on the ballot, I will vote a blank ballot before I will put a check mark next to the name of anybody who would associate with the most corrupt, hateful and manipulative political party in the history of electoral politics.

Yes, I will vote, because if I don't vote, then the corporations and fascists have won, and I will not let that happen without a bloody and ugly fight.

I WILL vote.

Charlie L
Portland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com


by CyberChas on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:37:04 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

Who are the base who dont vote:

working people who are too busy to vote or to   care about politics

mothers with children unable to get daycare

students/youth who dont know the issues

disabled, elderly, poor, housebound who have no way of going to polls or not aware of issues

I think one way to get out the base is to have election day a holiday.


by jasmine on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 06:47:24 PM EST

Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

First post. I am not a Republican or any other kind of troll. I'm philosophically a libertarian with green tendencies who sometimes helps with Democratic campaigns. Glad to be here.

Now, I read that report a day or so ago. Yes, there's a young voter factor, and a poor voter factor: motivation factors.

Traditionally solid, high-turnout parts of the base know who'll dance with them and who won't, and they are active enough to cut their deals and get out their vote without vocal public promises from their candidates.

There are parts of the Democratic base, though, who need to go vote without raising demands that scare the swings and motivate hell out of the right. The leaders of those factions should have their quiet talks with the best candidate for them, accept some code words, and assure their factions about the meanings of what they will hear.

Then the middle-class issues can be developed and not drowned out. Convince the working person that describable others have hijacked the government to increase their own wealth at the expense of everyone else, that big business can't be trusted anymore for rising wages and health care security, that it's time to give the Democrats a chance to fix things, and that --because of the razor-thin margins and stolen elections in recent years -- they have to vote in this election so the bad guys can't steal this one.

At least, that's what I think. What do you think? Because it matters.


by Wintermute on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 07:09:12 PM EST

Vote suppression (none / 0)

Ansolabehere and Iyengar, Going Negative: How Attack Ads Shrink the Electorate (Free. Press, 1995)

It's all about suppressing the vote. republicans generally turn out come hell or high water. Democrats are somewhat iffy. Negative campaign ads (and other such detritus) have the effect of firing up those with a strong partisan identity (on either side) and suppressing the voter turnout of those with no strong partisan identity. You get the picture - those are the people who would probably vote with us on the issues, but the republicn modus operandi of throwing everything against the wall until something sticks  causes those individuals to blame all parties and then, ultimately, to sit out elections.

Why do the republicans do it? Because it works.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:00:56 PM EST

Re: Vote suppression (none / 0)

Most of what I've read comes to very different conclusions. Instead, most who have looked into this say that negative ads INCREASE turnout.


by mikeinflorida on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:14:04 PM EST
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Re: Vote suppression (none / 0)

This has been pretty well debunked (see Goldstein and Friedman's 2002 article in the Journal of Politics).


by dantheman on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:53:10 PM EST
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Re: Vote suppression (none / 0)

Yeah, that citation dates me.

I've been intrigued by the phenomenon of voter suppression - both in reading about it and in my observations (anecdotal - based on my experience working on the ground for campaigns - this in a variety of capacities).

If I recall correctly, the work of Ansolabehere and Iyengar was an experimental study. Their conclusions were that negative ads suppressed voter turnout for those voters who had no strong partisan identification. The effect of those ads was the opposite for individuals with a strong partisan identification, moreso for republicans. For me this offered a credible explanation of the behaviors I observed on the ground.

Why do people not vote? Two days ago I had a conversation with an individual who told me he didn't bother to vote in the 2004 election. He is an intelligent individual, but couldn't articulate why - it was almost as if he suffered from paralysis (both in note voting and in trying to explain it).

I find this one fascinating, too:

...The assailant should withdraw from attacking sufficiently prior to election day so that the suppression that results from low perceived credibility has time to dissipate. Concurrently, the target of attack should be prepared to respond to those attackers who unwisely continue their attack into the final hours...

...If an attack stands alone, unanswered, it is effective.

If an attack is refuted, the attack will, ultimately, still be effective.

If an attacker damages his or her own credibility, the attack message itself will still have positive impact over time.

If attacked, therefore, the best defense for the victim seems to be a strong, swift offense....


Lariscy, Ruth Ann Weaver and Tinkham, Spencer F. "The sleeper effect and negative political advertising", Journal of Advertising,  Winter 1999

In a quote cited within Clinton and Lipinski, [PDF] "'Targeted' Advertising and Voter Turnout: An Experimental Study of the 2000 Presidential Election", The Journal of Politics, Vol. 66, No. 1, February 2004, a republican consultant states:

...Does negative advertising depress turnout? As with most things in life, yes and no. Oakland Raiders football is hard, smash-mouth football. And sometimes more people watch the game when it is mean, smash-mouth football. But sometimes mean football means less people will watch...

That appears to me that the republican consultant believes that some voters are fired up by negative campaign ads and other voters are turned off by the same.

Clinton and Lipinski conclude that "In the long term, we find little evidence that the information contained in the treatment groups' advertisements is sufficient to systematically alter turnout."

In reference to campaign finance reform (and citing the findings of Ansolabehere and Iyengar) - Primo and Milyo, [PDF] "The Effects of Campaign Finance Laws on Turnout, 1950-2000", February 2006.

...However, existing claims are speculative and are typically based on only one slice of the larger theoretical picture. In fact, we argue that all of the above claims are embedded in a complex system of equations relating many aspects of the democratic process. In turn, each of these features has some impact on turnout, as well as on each other....

I couldn't find Goldstein and Friedman online, so I'm not presently in a position to read and comment upon what they wrote.


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by Michael Bersin on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 08:50:31 AM EST
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Re: The Kill Your Own Base Strategy (none / 0)

I have to say that a lot of these polls to me are the duh factor. Who turns out in off year elections if not the base of both parties. The middle turns out for the sexier horse race president years


by bruh21 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:02:02 PM EST

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I, and others, have been saying this for months (if not years) and despite trying desperately to try and wake people up, have gotten primarily bullying and abusive behavior from the "leaders" at the bigger progressive blogs. Like bruh21 says, this was painfully obvious to people who actually TALK to other voters (or pay attention to things other than polls and consultants).  

Can we ditch the Republicrats/Vichy Dems NOW?


by Madman in the Marketplace on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:28:50 PM EST

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Getting a second opinion in the world of politics is difficult, because it's hard to find a good doctor. There's one doctor who, no matter what your ailment, tells you, "Charge up the base!" The other doctor always tell you, "Move to the middle!" In reality, neither strategy works every time. In lower-profile elections, like most off-year races, the base is more important. In Presidential year elections and higher-profile off-year races, the center is most important. Unfortunately, a lot of Democrats only go to one doctor or the other, and never go for a third opinion.


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by bluenc on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 12:48:42 AM EST

What exactly, is base? (none / 0)

It has been said that the only reason republicans win, is because their opponents are democrats.

The actual positions of Americans are what counts, not some kind of statistically derived "success" strategy. The party that will win is one that realizes Americans are fiscally conservative, socially moderate, human beings that really are tired of the current system and have a driving need of radical reform.  

There is little else to say. The Democrats have not taken a chance at all, they have simply blocked the apparatus of power.

All fundamental elements of an extremely corrupt system are still in place, very little has been set down as a balance or check to nearly unbridled corruption.

The base will widen and strengthen and back whomever can speak to them, as if they were their equal - and understand them. Not the polls. But who they really are.

Do they want gay marriage? No. What about abortion? A painful distraction and a dishonorable act. The Iraq War? It sickens their heart, that we made such an error and they want it made right. Riders and Amendments? Stand up for them, if you made them, O Congressman. Lobbyists? Don't trust them. President Bush? Incompetent. Impeach him? Sure. Why not.

Everything to them is becoming more and more of a sick joke - they are being overloaded with advertisement.

Americans are sick of being so well entertained. They want to lead the world again. But they don't know where to go. We have a leadership vaccuum. The leader that arises puts polls in their place.

And people back to work. Leaders like Reagan did that. And Clinton.  And Ike.  

We need another Teddy Roosevelt, an Abe Lincoln -   our country is suffering.  We don't need a doctor - we need a leader.


by turnerbroadcasting on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 07:56:02 AM EST

Organization more than message (none / 0)

My experience has been that the local party and precincts are so disorganized that they lose the ground war even when the ideological choice is clear.

Dean is trying to fix that, but it's going to be tough.

The party machinerty is rusty and dusty.

The Christian Coalition created a high tech machine more than a decade ago, a machine the Dems are just now trying to build.


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by demondeac on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 08:56:15 AM EST

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As a former Democratic candidate for Congress in NJ I can attest to the fact that the candidate is encouraged to ignore thier base after the Primary and concentrate on the unaffiliated voter.
I strongly disagreed with that strategy. However, the price tag for campaigns has become the force behind every decision and if you have to cut costs on direct-mail and other outreach associated with door knocks the first to go is your base. Please note that the numbers of "unaffliates" is growing leaps and bounds in the US because so many do not want to belong to either party and most do not vote in the "off" Presidential years. I suspect that many of the bloggers were not as actively involved in 1998 as they are today. It is up to all of us to work together to bring back people to our party not drive them away.
The Democratic Party is at a pivotal point and the Dean vs. Regular Party wars have got to come to an end. The other side is loving it and winning at our expense.
by Loyal Dem on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 10:50:21 AM EST

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Maybe the Dems ARE firing up the base and voting in record numbers, but for some reason the votes are being "lost."

Diebold's Touch-Screen Voting Machines Have Built-In Wireless Infrared Data Transfer Ports.

Now why in the world would a custom-built voting machine have an IrDA (Infrared Data Association) port used for wireless connection between two devices to keep the two systems synched up via wireless data transfers?

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/0000245 8.htm

You don't have to win an election or be the one to count the votes to win. You need only control the voting machines.


by davidporter on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 12:16:48 PM EST

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demondeac is pretty much spot-on in my opinion. The base vote is not being lost because of bad media campaigns, unclear ideology, or weak candidates, though those all contribute, as do gerrymandering, voter supression, and the wholesale failures of the election administration system in this country.

But almost all of that can be overcome by done one thing very very well. Mobilizing your base through an intensive ground game based on personal contacts between potential voters and trusted messengers (neighbors, friends, family, representatives of organizations that have cache in the targeted geographies).

THis is what works so well for the church-based strategies of the GOP, this is what worked so well for Paul Wellstone who never won more than 54% of the vote. THis is what makes the difference in the contested races.

Investing heavily in a comprehensive infrastructure in every state legislative district that can keep the registration numbers up, keep regular contact between the voters and the elected officials, make the connections between everyday problems like dirty alleys, burned out street lights, start dogs, abandoned buildings, poor schools,etc. and the political decisions that create those conditions (budget priorities, taxation priorities, support of the right to organize, policies on the environment, support for qualified teachers in the classroom, etc), and then mobilize them to vote with an intensive GOTV program in the weeks proceeding the election is one of the best ways to achieve this goal.

THis means building party infrastructure as Dean is moving steadily to do. It means building extra-party organizations that can move people like labor unions, community organizations, enviros, etc.

Until we have that all the decent candidates and correct messaging will never be enough to gain and defend a governing majority for progressives.


by nathanhj on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 12:43:12 PM EST

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I'm not saying you guys are wrong. But I would also say that large swathes of the base have been turned off by 3 decades of Democratic ineptitude and 15 years of the DLC right-wing take-over of the part.

The dixiecrats all became Republicans, and most of the Northern liberals were replaced by DINOs (Clinton X 2, Schumer, Lieberman, Feinstein, Kohl, Biden, etc., etc.). So who exactly does a progressive in good conscience vote for most of the time?

You may be right, they may be rigging elections already. But don't be fooled, a key segment of hte Democratic base has been increasingly marginalized and disenfranchised over many years, and many of us don't vote Democrat anymore.


by redstar66 on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 12:50:19 PM EST
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