New Campaign Finance Bill

In an excellent article that features solid, real-world reporting, over at Dailykos ePluribus Media's Timothy Smith reports on a new campaign finance law proposed Representative David Obey.
House Resolution 4694, the "Let the People Decide Clean Campaign Act" -- introduced earlier this month by Rep. David Obey (D-Wis.) and co-sponsored by fellow liberal Democrats Rosa DeLauro (Conn.), Barney Frank and James McGovern (Mass.), Henry Waxman and Bob Filner (Calif.), Steve Israel (N.Y.), and Tim Ryan (Ohio) -- would allow nominees of parties that had averaged 25% of the vote for House races to receive full public funding.

All others would be required to produce signatures equal to at least 10 percent of the last vote cast in order to qualify for partial funding and 20 percent in order to receive full funding. In addition, any candidate who failed to qualify for funding would be denied the opportunity to spend privately raised monies on their campaigns.
The financing limits would be based on the median household income of the district in question, starting at $1.5M for a major party candidate in the wealthiest district in the country, and scaled down based on the percentage difference in household income between any given district and the wealthiest district. For example, in a district where the median household income is 70% that of the wealthiest district in America, the limit for that district would be $1.3M. In a district where the median household income is 40% that of the wealthiest district in America, the limit would be $900K.

This sounds pretty good, but where some difficulties arise around the definition of a "major party," and the limits imposed on candidates from other parties. In the bill, a "major party" is defined as a party that has averaged 25% of the vote in a given district, or a party that has gathered the signatures of 10% of the voters in the district in the previous election. This is obviously a barrier that no third party could ever regularly achieve. And the limits imposed on non-major parties are harsh. As Adam B notes:

[T]hey can't even buy a billboard, under these rules, if I understand it right. Nor can they pay people to gather signatures.

I'm no huge fan of third parties, but this is bananas. B. A. N. A. N. A. S.
I am also not a fan of third parties these days, especially third parties that feel David Obey needs to be challenged from "the progressive side," as one candidate from the always relevant Catholic Worker notes in the article. I guess Obey's 90% loyalty rate over the past three years in Congress wasn't enough for this guy. Probably because Obey wasn't properly agitating the proletariat against their bourgeois masters.

As promising as I find the idea of publicly financed campaigns (candidates don't have to spend so much time raising money, a reduced chance of quid pro quo corruption, etc.), considering the restrictions it places on "non major parties," this bill does not seem to fulfill the promise of a cleaner, more active democracy that is the promise of any good piece of campaign finance legislation. It reminds me of how much of the proposed restrictions online political activity would actually restrict grassroots activism, rather than encourage it.

However, I think there is a very promising side to this bill that should be explored through future legislation. Specifically, if financing could only be achieved by managing a certain average percent of the vote in a given House district, both parties would be more or less forced into running a 435-seat strategy every cycle. This is because failing to run a candidate in a given district in one cycle could potentially wipe out any chance to run a candidate in that district in future cycles, no matter what events may take place to suddenly make that district competitive. This is not to mention that only by running candidates in as many districts as possible would actually become the major source of fundraising for both the NRCC and the DCCC. Similar legislation to this would make a 435-seat strategy the accepted practice of both parties. This is good for both American democracy and for Democrats, who regularly fail to field as many candidates in House races as do Republicans.

Further, legislation of this nature could potentially go a long way toward eliminating the "packing and cracking" gerrymandering Republicans have imposed on Democrats in many states. By packing as many Democrats as possible into two or three districts in a state, Republicans have been able to create huge numbers of districts where they hold s small, but often decisive, edge in partisan voting tendencies (thereby "cracking" the remainder of the Democratic vote). Tom Schaller has more on this.

For example, in my congressional district, PA-02, Republicans would have no chance of ever achieving major party status under this bill. The district, as recently featured on the Colbert Report, is the third most Democratic leaning district in the nation, where Bush only managed 11% of the vote in 2004. There is no way that a Republican candidate would ever manage 25% of the vote here, and no way that Republicans would ever mange to acquire 10% of the signatures of voters in the last election, as they would need to find almost every single Bush voter in the district to pull it off. However, to being on the ballot here would deny them several hundred thousand dollars of money they could sue in a media market with several tight congressional campaigns, not to mention the largest media market in a swing state nationwide. The wouldn't want to be shut out here, and thus they would be forced to significantly reduce the "packing and cracking" gerrymander tactic that they have successfully employed in Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Virginia, and elsewhere. Reducing gerrymandering would also be a benefit to both American democracies and to Democrats.

Overall, while this specific bill seems terribly flawed, legislation to create public financing and strong definitions of "major parties" could hold a lot promise. If both parties were forced into a fifty-state strategy and a reduction of gerrymandering while having to spend less time raising money and give less access to large donors, then it would be good for all of us. However, such a bill should not be so very restrictive on "non-major parties," because not only is that anti-democratic, in about 60-70 districts nationwide, right now only one party would qualify as "major."

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Explain please (3.00 / 2)

Could someone please explain to me why people have to raise money privately at all?

In this bill there is a threshhold to get public funding and then once you get the public funding plus you can now spend your privately taken funds... why can't we eliminate the private funds? Why can't we have only public funded campaigns with mandated donated time on the networks which we as taxpayers ALLOW to use OUR airwaves for their own enrichment. What am I not understanding?


by TimThe Terrible on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:00:10 PM EST

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The restrictions on private financing for those who don't qualify as major parties or with signatures is transparently unconstitutional.


by Retired Catholic on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 04:13:10 PM EST
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So would a bill like this move the money (3.00 / 2)

into the primaries. So would primary battles become much uglier. A commenter over at dKos said that third party people should be working the primaries and stay to hell out of the general elections.

I am now seeing this bill as exposing the contradiction between public financing of elections and the critical need for electoral reform of the two-party system. At least with IRV or something similar there would be clear paths to two-party support without the spoiler effects.

The two-party system is becoming an increasingly ossified dysfunctional political process without clear paths for political changes.


Jeff Wegerson - PrairieStateBlue
by wegerje on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:05:52 PM EST

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Anything that would point out the horrors of gerrymandering and the undemocratic nature of the US  House is good by me. And I really have trouble feeling sorry for those lame-o third parties.

If we had a parlimentary system, then we could have much more than 3 parties, but since we don't the only viable path is a two party system (and the two entails actual oposition from the out-of-power party).


by DaveB on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:07:13 PM EST

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I personally favor the idea of publicly-distributed public financing--give everyone a voucher for $50 that can be donated to campaigns.  Gets rid of the bias against third parties entirely, and creates a sense of participation in the process.


Nerding out on politics since 2002
by meelar on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:20:28 PM EST

Won't work (none / 0)

Unless you consider people throwing away vouchers to be "working".

One of the great fantasy kingdoms of progressive/far right thought is that if only the "opressive system" were abolished, droves would vote their true beliefs and go Green/Lib/Natural law.

In fact, most people don't care at all, and would think they were "sticking it to the politicians" by simply trashing their voucher.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:22:22 PM EST
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I don't think so. I'm pretty sure most people would contribute their voucher. But most people would not give it to third parties. The major parties are major because they have the most members.


by taliesin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:42:47 PM EST
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I fully agree that public funding of elections such as is outlined in this bill would decrease the incentives for gerrymandering congressional districts, a practice that the Republicans don't hold a patent on; however, this bill should be renamed the Incumbency For Life Act of 2006. As written, this bill would virtually guarantee that the elitists of the two major parties would possess a stranglehold on the congressional  election process, hence thwarting future budding grassroots efforts.

I also concur that any reform act should not be as restrictive on third parties. In that regard, this bill represents the same dirty tricks as the ones which are routinely employed by the gerrymandering crowd. In its current form, this bill doesn't pass the litmus test of "clean election reform" much less progressivism.  

Good read.


by Seldom Seen Smith on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:33:34 PM EST

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It's based on the district, not the market?

I can see how that might be rough for candidates in poor districts in major cities, where the cost of communication is quite high despite the low median income.


by Matthew Gertz on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:34:42 PM EST

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I think they deserve credit for trying to put out a comprehensive reform package even if it isn't perfect.  You have to start somewhere and this is bold which is nice to see for a change.

I have mixed feelings about the third party element since this would obviously hurt someone like Bernie Sanders.  On the other hand, I wouldn't mind sticking to the Green Party since their nomination of Ralph Nader in 2000 syphoned off enough votes in NH and Florida to elect George Bush.  I wonder if the Green's and Nader still feel there was no difference between Bush and Gore?


by John Mills on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:43:36 PM EST

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Well, you give us two terms of Clinton and I'm not surprised many Greens stuck by Nader in 2000.

I'm a little pissed he ran hard in Florida, but I understood why he did it.

Full disclosure, I voted Gore, I actually kinda liked him in the end so I didn't even have to hold my nose for him. But I am a proud Nader in '96 voter, and I'll vote for him or similar again if the Dems put up another putz like Kerry. (And I ain't the only one...)


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:47:01 PM EST
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In my mind Ralph Nader completely ruined every good piece of work he did by spreading the BS that Bush and Gore were the same.  The last six years are proof of how wrong he was.

His legacy is George W. Bush.


by John Mills on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:49:05 PM EST
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Repugs keep repeating that same meme about Perot and Clinton. That doesn't mean they're correct either. I seem to recall Gore losing his homestate as well as border states Clinton had previously carried twice. The Nader hater brigade has a fairly selective memory when it comes to these developments.


by Seldom Seen Smith on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:05:32 PM EST
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True about Gore and his home state. My biggest problem with Nader in 2000 was that he was lying when he said Bush and Gore were the same.  They weren't and the past 6 years prove it.  

I had no problem with Nader before 2000.  Now I have no respect for him.


by John Mills on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 04:22:24 PM EST
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Again, eight years of Clinton, it's easy to see how we would be able to equate Dems and Republicans. You guys forget welfare reform, and Clinton's fiscal conservatism...

Bush is clearly worse, but I still think we can put the two parties on the same neo-liberal branch. The GOP is admittedly a far more noxious form of the same political philosophy and dems clearly have some very good men and women in the party, but your leadership and your party "peerage" are not anything to write home about. In Europe they'd be right-wingers, not even centre-right, nearly to a man.

That's how we

Put this into some perspective. I have the priviledge, which I do not at all take for granted, of being a dual citizen, Franco-American. I vote in both countries, follow politics closely in both places, follow the issues, know the policy stands of the major parties, etc., in both environments.

As such, I'd for instance put Jacques Chirac to Kerry's left, Le Pen on economic issues to Kerry's left (excluding his Buchanan-like social conservatism and his racism of course), and only maybe Alain Madelin to his right (and Madelin got like 2% of the vote).

That's just the facts. You may claim contextual political realities, but objectively speaking, these are facts. So you can go on being pissed about people voting Green and equating Dems and the GOP. But that just means I and others like me will just go on being pissed we don't have a left to vote for. (And I personally haven't since Paul Wellstone died.)


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:07:41 PM EST
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This is a horrible bill. It kills third parties, utterly. I keep seeing comments that it shouldn't be hard to get 10% of the district's voters' signatures if it's a real candidate. Ten to twenty thousand signatures, in one CD, without paid signature gatherers, is impossible. Even relatively large third parties, like the Greens and the Libertarians, would never be able to do it.

The threshold for public financing needs to be much lower, perhaps 1000 signatures or private donations totaling $25000. I actually like the idea of using a threshold based on contributions rather than signatures, because a contribution shows significantly more commitment to the candidate than a signature.

I find it shocking that alleged progressives are supporting such an undemocratic measure. If these guys are worried about third parties splitting their vote, they should be pushing for instant-runoff voting. Better still would be ranked-choice voting with multi-member districts or some sort of PR, but those ideas might actually result in representation for third parties, so these guys would never go for that.

The gerrymandering argument is ridiculous. Why would the Republicans care that they wouldn't be able to get public financing in a district that was 80% Democratic? They just wouldn't run a candidate in that district, ever. What would be the problem?


by taliesin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:18:34 PM EST

Unh (none / 0)

And as I said at Kos, and I expected from the hardcore "progressive" community, the demand would be to lower the bar to the point that "Jim Bob's Left Nut and Butt Cheek" party would qualify.

And then the public would be outraged at such a waste of their tax dollars and demand the system be abolished. Again, it is the fantasy kingdom of the extremes that "if only we had the money/the evil system was abolished" the public would swoon over them. Ain't the case. The public would be pised their hard earned tax dollars were spent funding whack jobs.

And I've been involved in petition drives. If one is motivated and motivating...you can get the petitions done.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:27:44 PM EST
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Just look north to Canada, you could start there. Public money if you get 2% of the vote. And free air time, equal air time.

France runs the same way, 'course in France we have four brands of left, each of which gets 5+% of the vote in Presidential elections, unlike here where there is no viable left party and therefore, for most lefties in the US, no one really to vote for.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:43:57 PM EST
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They also have a Parliamentary System. We don't. We won't unless we trash the Constitution.

Big difference.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 05:12:29 PM EST
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The Canadians do.

France has a hybrid. Less strong a presidential system as the US, but fundamentally a presidential system.

If you can have multi-party democracy in French Presidential elections (and take a look, there are more parties contesting the Presidential than the individual seats in parliament), you could have them here, as well you could have them for Congress.  I have often heard your argument but I don't buy it, conversely the UK has a oarliamentary system but essentially two-party rule as here in the US. Ditto Australia by and large. Canada is the lone Anglophone holdout it would appear.

Big difference is not Presidential versus parliamentary imho. The big difference is cultural. And by cultural, I mean not just political culture, but also culture of capital domination of both the political process and the press, and supine toleration of the public, for the most part, of this state of affairs.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 05:38:39 PM EST
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Re: Unh (none / 0)

Well, since this bill pretty much bans anyone from running who doesn't qualify (since you can't spend any money), the bar has to be set pretty low. But, in any case, I hardly think my proposed threshold options (1000 signatures, or $25k raised) would be considered low enough that "whack jobs" would easily meet them.


by taliesin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:26:51 PM EST
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Re: Unh (3.00 / 1)

But it all makes sense if you see this as, just like redistricting, another way to make the world safe for Republicans and Democrats.

Of course, Obey's Green Party opponent, Bowers will have us know, should bow before Representative Obey's "90% loyal to a centre-right party's diktats" throne.

Voices of opposition? Who needs 'em, might remind voters what real opposition is supposed to sound like...


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:31:53 PM EST
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Not really. You would be amazed how easy it is to make either number. Ask Faith here in DC, who regularly can get those numbers running on the "I play a trumpet and love art" ticket.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 05:13:48 PM EST
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You say:

"I am also not a fan of third parties these days, especially third parties that feel David Obey needs to be challenged from "the progressive side," as one candidate from the always relevant Catholic Worker notes in the article."

I think you're refering to Obey's Green Party challenger, not "Cahtolic Worker" challenger. The guy may be in the Catholic Worker movement (and quite frankly, I'd hold my tongue speaking of those folks, the best Democrat alive couldn't hold a candle to Dorothy Day) but he's running as a Green.

So now, what are you saying there Bowers? Are you saying if one finds ones' self on the left, and one has grown sick of the Dems taking our votes for granted, we should just stay out of politics, not vote, not build alternatives, forget our democratic rights?

Your lot have co-opted the left for decades, but you think you have a moral right to co-optition?
Keep in mind we are talking about Wisconsin, one of the few places in the US where third parties have thrived, and your party is badly in need of some co-optition, you will not reform yourselves on your own.

End of day, your put-down sounds like a variation on the protection racket theme "vote Democrat or else," not exactly....what's the word?....

oh yeah, Democratic.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:39:39 PM EST

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Co-opt what?

All of the Green blogs that focus on any topic listed at Blogads total 156,100 page views per week.

By contrast, there are 56 blogs on blogads that self-identify as "Democrat" that individually have more page views per week than that. They total 23,776,266 page views per week. Overall, there are 102 blogs on Blogads that identify as Democratic that each have more traffic than the top Green Blog. In total, these blogs have 27,867,574 page view per week, or about 175 tiems the traffic of all the Green blogs combined. And that only includes the top 100 "Democratic" blogs.

Having spent a long time in various groups on the American far-left, I eventually left out of frustration at their total ireelevance to the national political scene. Demcorats could co-opt Greens and the entire American left and no one would notice. Democrats could not co-opt these parties and no one would noitce. They are so small, it just doesn't matter. Not wanting to be ireelvant myself, I left.

The fact that you would even come here to post shows just how irrelevant groups like Catholic Worker and the Green Party are. MyDD alone has more daily traffic than all blogs discussing those topics combined and nearly doubled.

You can go ahead and do whatever you want. The only way someone will notice is if you show up at a Demcoratic site like this and tell us about it.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 04:31:20 PM EST
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Heh, you have a short attention span. When I say co-option, my memory goes back further than yours, and since you were busy insulting the Catholic Workers of Dorothy Day earlier, I was thinking of the Farmer-Labor party, and I was thinking about Eugene Debs.

Eugene Debs got 6% of the vote in 1920. Back then, Democrats put him in jail for sedition, today, they'd just make sure he couldn't run a campaign.

And for all the power left blogostan thinks it has, I'll believe it when I see the day the Democrats actually accomplish the task of putting into law one significant piece of PROGRESSIVE legislation.

And I reiterate my challenge to all Democrats to name one such piece of legislation over the past 3 decades.

You may have left your former lefty colleagues out of disgust, I follow a different path, disgust with my former party, the Democrats, a disgust cultivated over two decades. I appreciate people like you talking the talk, but I'd like to see the party you're pitching for start walking the walk and I don't see any prospect of this. If you see signs otherwise, please show evidence, but this Obey bill is the exact opposite.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 04:51:25 PM EST
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Have to agree with Chris (none / 0)

He's definitely spot on about one thing - the Green Party is currently completely dysfunctional. Individual Greens remind me of "red hornets" down here in Kentucky. Unlike common hornets one routinely encounters in barns and windowsills, they're rare, breed in the trees and hate each other and everything so intensely they can barely get together long enough to procreate.

Secondly, the Greens Party has the same problem as the corporate parties in that the screamers on social issues are dragging everybody else around by the nose. Rather than sticking to the "E's," green economics, ecology, equality and election reform to name a few, the Green Party is continually torn apart by the "peaceniks" and gay activists who are completely unforgiving of anybody who doesn't share their narrow core values. Political decentralization, a fantasy in the Green 10 Key values, has already been tried in this country under the Articles of Confederation and was a complete disaster but hardcore Greens still embrace it nonetheless. All of this leads to a condition in which Greens talk at each other instead of to each other, hence the reason there are so many progressives alienated by the Democratic Party who have given the Green blogsphere a look but continue to participate in the Democratic blogsphere.


by Seldom Seen Smith on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 05:34:57 PM EST
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I hate to admit I couldn't have said it better myself. I for the most part find many local Greens to be insufferable boors to work with, and their utter lack of focus is frustrating as hell.

But their hearts are, well most of their hearts anyway, in the right place, and I agree with them that the Dems are worthless and aso I'll put up with some of that crap, 'course I probably haven't been at it for as long as Bowers was.

And frankly, guys like Bowers and Gilliard and Stoller, these are stand-up guys, no doubt about it, they talk the talk and they themselves walk the walk, look at the amount of work they put into the progressive message by building this information superstructure, it's amazing to say the least. And their hearts are definitely in the right place, I think.

But I think they're doing an excellent job for a party which fundamentally will not get the job done, and I am accustomed, being also French, to having a political party be accountable to me as a supporter, voter and citizen, and the Democrats clearly are not, so my toleration for this garbage is probably lower than theirs.

End of day, we're all on the same side, and its a question of tactics, but I don't think that the Dems represent my values at all, fundamentally they don't.

And despite the obvious flaws of local Greens foibles, there are really good, sharp, focused ones too. Take for example the mayoral candidate we had here in St Paul last year, Emily Dickinson, who almost made the run-off in the first round, getting barely beat by the Zell Milleresque DINO incumbent for second place. (The incumbent, who had endorsed Dubya in '04, was then roundly beaten by nearly 3 to 1 by the Democratic-endorsed candiate.

Why did Emily get beat by that DINO (Randy Kelly)? We're talking 2 points here. Because the local dems were whacking that canard we all know that a vote for Emily was a vote for the Dubya-lover, a wasted vote, or both. Turns out, a vote for Emily was a vote for Emily. And as you likely know, Bernie Sanders went through exactly the same thing first in Burlington and then in Vermont with the Demos there.

So sure many are obnoxious, but their values are in the right place, and the Dems in the main are not. If I gotta be involved and I definitely gotta vote, I'll give 'em my support, which I used to give Dems, regardless of how futile it is. Voting democrat only encourages the Dems.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 05:56:48 PM EST
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Well stated (none / 0)

I feel the same way. Most Greens have their hearts in the right place but hardcore Greens who have been with the movement for a long time want to maintain their dominance even if it means the party remains completely irrelevant on the national scene.

I sent Emily Dickinson $20 and wrote her a letter urging her to run for the board of directors on the Sierra Club if the she were defeated in the mayoral election. Her environmental credentials, as well as her husband's, are outstanding and Greens should be represented on their board. These people will endorse Repugs but not Greens and I've already told them I won't be renewing my membership after 2006 unless they begin to endorse and support Green candidates.

After a quarter century as a registered Democrat, I changed my registration status to Independent and purchased a Green card. I know I'm no longer a Democrat. Sometimes it's painful to watch a true progressive such as Chris spin so long he gets dizzy and falls down trying to push the  Democrat's party line but I've got a great deal of respect for his integrity.

I'm going to support Greens in elections they can win with my checkbook and that's about it. If Greens were smart enough to pour a quarter of million dollars into Pelosi's district instead of running Rebecca Rotzler for President in 2008, they could probably pick her off and get a Green elected to Congress. Southern Democrats would probably contribute to the Green candidate as Pelosi is a horrible botox face for their party and Democrats down here cringe whenever she hits the talk show circuit. The Democratic establishment won't touch her because they're afraid of losing CA in the electoral college mix but a popular Green who would caucus with Democrats anyway would draw a huge amount of national financial support from Democrats. Too bad the dumb ass Greens running the California party like Peter Cameo can't think about anything other than breaking away from the national party huh?    


by Seldom Seen Smith on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 07:17:41 PM EST
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You accurately nail Pelosi there, though like the Democratic party, the 1948 HHH Democratic party, when it had a fresh face, young ideals and convictions that amounted to something substantial, back in her youth she was pretty damn hot.

I think Camejo's worldview is, politically if not tactically speaking, as similar to mine as just about anyone in the US, including even what he does for a living. I personally love the guy, he can do no wrong in my eyes. And what he's doing might not be bad strategy either.

Think about it, California is a big state, you start getting a honed, focused message, you put your money where your mouth is at let the grassroots sink or swim on the basis of our shared values, this allows for much failure but also the potential for a breakthrough of the sort the Dems are supremely incapable. Create the right conditions, you may not actually push the needle, but then again, you might...and that's the whole ball of wax there, that possibility.

Think of a local, CA Green party with representation in the statehouse, and all of a sudden you have a state party with teeth, that's a fact given the balance of power in CA, it's now a force to be reckoned with, to some extent on a national scale even. This is stuff Bernie Sanders in little VT could only dream of.

Poltics is all about making things possible, after all.
 


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 08:24:31 PM EST
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And incidentally, you'll never see left blogostan talk about the eventualities discussed above, you'll never see them say "hey, you want to see progressive politics in action, give to Camejo," so wedded they are to the right wing party called the Democrats.

Even the best progressives hereabouts simply refuse to hedge their bets., refuse to tell folks to give to someone who isn't a Democrat. It takes "loons" like us to even suggest it.

And this fact is mighty telling.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 08:29:37 PM EST
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GDI Greens (none / 0)

lead by Camejo are killing the Green Party at a time when it should be absolutely thriving. I was actually thinking about Aimee Allison who has a star's resume. Matt Gonzalez is another viable Green candidate in the Bay area. Both could beat Pelosi with a well-organized campaign but Camejo is an anchor. He's radio-active and I've personally got nothing but distain for the man.

Nevertheless, you're correct that you'll never see this in the Democratic blogsphere. Hells bells, Greens won't even talk about it in their own blogsphere. Too friggin bad.  


by Seldom Seen Smith on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 09:27:48 PM EST
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Uh, how does this get around the restrictions on spending limits placed by the Supreme court in Buckley v. Valero?  I don't see how this bill is even constitutional, unless it's authors are expecting the Roberts court to rule that restriction spending is not a violation of free speech.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:40:07 PM EST

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This bill is not constitutional, not even close. The ban on spending private money for people who don't qualify for the system would never hold up in court. Nor should it.

This thing is so far from being implementable that it is clearly just posturing. The people who wrote it obviously knew that it was not constitutional, but they wrote it this way anyhow.


by taliesin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:35:20 PM EST
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Normally, justices who are friendly towards corporate personhood (pretty much all of them in one form or another) have also been supportive of legislation which restricts the activity of third parties so I wouldn't be surprised if a majority wouldn't  come up with some twisted reading of the Constitution in support of those provisions contained in this bill. Nevertheless, if stare decisis rules in this matter, in order to by-pass Buckley spending limits will have to be voluntary and the voters will have to make it work from there by choosing candidates who are not on the take from corporate donors. This is what has made real clean election reform work in state races in Maine, Arizona and North Carolina.  

Secondly, I believe it would be a serious error to label this bill as "posturing." The sponsors are primarily from states, WI, CA and NY, where the drumbeat against a corporate-dominated single party oligarchy is growing louder, Obey of Wisconsin in particular. Furthermore, given the problems Repugs are beginning to have with Libertarians out West, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of their number jump on this bandwagon as well; consequently, I view the assumption that this bill is not in part a serious attempt to restrict the activities of third parties to be extremely dangerous.    


by Seldom Seen Smith on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 04:05:14 PM EST
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Has the bill been checked for constitutionality, I wonder? Not that I have expertise on the subject, I'm just saying...

Also, since a bill like this will need (at least) a Dem trifecta to be enacted, how likely is it that a leadership effort would be made? Wouldn't the first trifecta elected in 16 years have other fish to fry?

(Reactions so far suggest it would face voluble opposition from the left, as well as a GOP anxious for any platform for retaliation.)

I see just one big grandstand...


by skeptic06 on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:40:28 PM EST

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Yes, it's obviously just grandstanding. Not only could it never pass, if it did pass large portions of it would be tossed by the courts. Which makes it all the more egregious that they produced such an atrocious bill. If you're just trying to score political points, why not actually propose something good?


by taliesin on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:38:55 PM EST
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Good points all around.  I think that the campaign season needs to be shortened along with totally public financing.  House races would be the shortest, followed by Senate, and then President.  Short races, public funding.


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by Robert P on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:30:47 PM EST

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The private funding restrictions would be transparently unconstitutional.


by Retired Catholic on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 04:14:24 PM EST

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In addition, any candidate who failed to qualify for funding would be denied the opportunity to spend privately raised monies on their campaigns.

Their hearts may be in the right place, but I seriously doubt this provision will withstand Supreme Court scrutiny.

And the other anti-third-party provisions are so egregious they may fail Constitutional muster as well. Given the courts' deference to the two-party system, that's no mean feat.

They need to quit trying so hard to kick the Green Party in the teeth, and come back with a bill more along the lines of Maine, Connecticut, and Arizona's Clean Elections laws: Demonstrate a modicum of support and foreswear private spending, including your own, and you get full public financing for your campaign. Or you can choose to go the privately-financed campaign route, and you'll get no public financing, but no one will try and stop you.


If you're always playing the fear card, it's a pretty good sign you're not playing with a full deck!
by Mathwiz on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 05:15:44 PM EST

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Change the rules however you like, but history has shown that the Democrats may be the first to exploit loopholes in campaign finance legislation, but the Republicans always do it best ;).


by truthiness on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 11:54:15 AM EST


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