Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ

Check out this quote that one of my favorite Philly bloggers dug up about Andy Warren, who is running for Congress as a Democrat in PA-08 - one of the
Dems best chance for a pick up this year
:

Warren admitted he'd still be a Republican if he'd returned to county office, but said he would have "tried to change the direction" of the party from within.

From The Bucks County Courier Times  

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  

More on the flip...

So how is this going to work?  Will Warren back Democrats at the local level who have been having phenomenal success?  Or will he back more Republicans, perhaps many of the partisan hacks he appointed to various commissions when he was a REPUBLICAN Bucks County commissioner for 16 years.  

I mean is there some sort of phone booth that Andy places in the District which he uses to change out of his Republican get-up, at the drop of a hat?

Here is a guy who is telling people he cares about Democratic ideals, but come on - are we supposed to just take a career Republican at his word?  Especially when he says stuff like this?

We have been working too hard to get rid of DINO's down in TX.   It is unfathomable to think that any Dem could support a life-long Republican - who planned to stay a Republican, if he wasn't running for Congress.  We should welcome anyone who wants to join the democratic party and share our ideals, but Andy Warren is the best example of crass opportunism.

So please, if you live in PA's 8th district, hell even if you don't, call the Bucks County Democratic Party and tell them that Andy Warren is not a Democrat, and does not deserve consideration as our nominee.



Display:


Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

enough with bashing primary candidates just because they used to GOPers or want to change the party or whatever.  Tell me what makes Warren a DINO other than his previous party ID. How does he stand on abortion or the minimum wage? How does your person stand on it? Because obviously, you work for the other guy/gal.


by DaveB on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 11:13:33 AM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

It shouldn't be outrageous for a Democrat to question a Republican who claims that he would still be a Republican if they ran for a different office, but because you inquired, ask an environmentalist where Warren stood on the Point Pleasant Pumping Station.


by jakefeinberg on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 12:46:38 PM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

Warren is a pure opportunist who has a personal grudge against Mike Fitzpatrick and the Bucks County Republican Party.  In 2004, when Jim Greenwood resigned, he tried to get the Republican nomination for the Congressional seat, and lost to Mike Fitzpatrick.

Who, as we know, prevailed over Ginny Schrader in the fall.

While Warren is a pro-choice (Republican), no one knows where he stands on the minimum wage or any other progressive stance.  His entire platform is: (1) people have elected me before and (2) I'm older than dirt, so I'll make a great Congressman.

Good for Warren for switching to D.  We want to be a big tent party, and we'll accept the converted.  Maybe he really did get struck by lightning on the road to Damascus.  Or Doylestown.  And there he saw the light.  So let's give him the benefit of the doubt.  

But his sleazy record in the past speaks differently.  And he's only been a Democrat for LESS THAN NINE MONTHS.  That's not good enough to get my vote.

It's really funny how Ginny endorsed him last week, too.  They've got a grudge match going on, and it all boils down to the personal.  After all, Mike made her cry and run away from a debate.  The personal grudge is a terrible way to run a campaign and it's an ultimate recipe for failure.  

Whereas Patrick Murphy is running a progressive, grassroots campaign based on the issues.  He's a fantastic candidate with a proven record of achievement.  Murphy is pro-choice, pro-raising the minimum wage, pro-stem cell research, pro-environment....  While he's young, he's achieved more in his life than many of us ever get around to in 50 or 60 years.  Youngest professor ever at West Point, Iraq Veteran, paratrooper, lawyer.  And the next Congressman from Bucks County.

And let's give him and his campaign credit for making friends with local bloggers.  The Murphy campaign seems to be sending press releases to MSM and the blogs.  Isn't that what we bloggers wanted from candidates all along?  To be taken seriously?


by dharma bum on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 12:54:42 PM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

I am glad he saw the light and switched parties if it is for real reasons.  If he is like Cuellar for reals, then that is a different story.

But merely being a resent convert to the Democratic party is not a crime. In fact, we should point out how many of our candidates are ex-GOP.  It makes for a good story that the current Republicans in power are too far out of the mainstream, too corrupt etc.

If this guy is really a Bush-backed, fake Democrat like Cuellar I will oppose him. But if he is just a guy who became a Democrat because he didn't like what his party has become, then I am supporting him.  

I would even support some moderate GOPers like the ex-congressman who is running against Pombo in the primary.

To me, this seems like it is more of a case of Ginny using this guy to get back at Murphy for kicking her out of the primary.  Her anger should be directed at Rendell.  


by DaveB on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:15:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

First off, no one kicked Ginny out of the primary.  

Secondly, there's another wrinkle to the party swap: in winter 2004, after Fitzpatrick won, the Bucks Co GOP had to select his replacement as county commissioner.  Andy Warren wanted the GOP's endorsement.

Basically, Warren switched parties out of spite.


by Adam B on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 02:40:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Exactly (none / 0)

Each GOP convert lends itself to a storyline that Bushism is too extreme for mainstream America. An important  longterm goal is to Hooverize the SOB so no self respecting American politician will want to carry is ideological mantle.

If this guy wants to run as a Democrat in the primary let him. He is going to have to moderate his positions quite a bit in a truly contested primary to win the votes of Democratic voters.

Bushism- too extreme for mainstream.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 08:57:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Exactly (none / 0)

Make no mistake, no one is saying he shouldn't run.  In fact, I think the eventual nominee will benefit from a primary where they don't just skate through.

That being said, whether he is suitable to be the dem nominee when he has:

1.  Said he wishes he got the GOP nomination for the same seat in 2004 (which presumably would have made him a GOP incumbant this year);

  1.  Said that if he was running for a local post, he would run as a Republican;
  2.  Consitently bashed democrats as a whole as lacking vision, which plays into GOP memes.

Again, whether he should run or not as a democrat is not the question.  Whether he should receive the nomination. I say he is not fit for the latter.


by sem1480 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:10:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

and one more thing (none / 0)

4. On his website, he uses the word 'tutelage' in reference to being a cross country coach.


by blogswarm on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

Ginny having some sort of a grudge against Murphy?  Hadn't thought about that.

Mostly because it's just NOT TRUE.  And if it is, then it makes her grudge match even sadder than before--although I'm laughing hysterically through my tears.

Last summer, Murphy and Ginny both spoke before a local Democrats event.  The room simply went wild over Patrick.  Ginny had a lukewarm, at best, reception.  That's what I call winning fair and square.  Patrick impressed supporters and Ginny just...didn't.  

No one pushed her out of the race.  She left of her own accord.  I doubt Ed Rendell had anything to do with that, either.  If anything, Rendell might have asked her to step down to make way for a wealthy woman who was thinking about running....whose husband just so happens to be one of his major fundraisers.  But that woman decided not to run in the first place.

So any backroom speculation over what happened is kind of useless at this point.


by dharma bum on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:25:38 PM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

I must have misunderstood Jake's original post then. He seemed to be implying that Ginny was behind Warren.  Adam, who I greatly respect, says it was to spite the Bucks Co. GOP party establishment.

If that is true, that is a stupid reason to become a Democrat.  The real test will be then if Warren looses, will he stay active in Dem politics or take his ball and go home?

I think the main thrust of the original post has been disproven however, that Warren is not Cuellar, who is a stalking horse for the GOP.  Henry supported GOPers in the TX state house at every turn, and was rewarded with TX-28.  He has gotten support from TX GOP establishment types that have ties to DeLay and Bush, and he is endorsed by right wing groups while he shills for them as a democrat.

This isn't like that Alexander guy in LA who switched parties over money and ease of reelection, this was a sham from the get go on Henry's part.  

It also shows how bad redistricting has gotten, that such a district doesn't even have a general election race even though the vote is really between a liberal democrat against a conservative republican.  


by DaveB on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:05:33 PM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

Regardless of Ginny, Adam is correct - Warren is pissed because he didn't get the GOP nod.

And the point IS that this is just like Cuellar. Warren made a career out of advancing the Republican party - through pay-to-play contracts and partisan appointments.  Just as Cuellar continued acting like a R when he went to DC, why should we believe that Warren would break from everything we knew about him just because he went to Washington with a D next to his name?  

Why would the party endorse somebody like that, especially one who says he would still be a R at the local level.  


by jakefeinberg on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:19:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

I'm not quite sure what your first paragraph means.  Schrader has endorsed Warren, for reasons I'm still not clear about.


by Adam B on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:36:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

I like Murphy's grassroots energy! Not only is he progressive; he's sincere, enthused and tireless.

Sorry, but the other candidates make me yawn, where Murphy gives me hope for the future again.

I don't entirely trust the timing of Andy Warren's switch from R to D.  We welcome him - but his admission that he'd still be a Republican if he'd gone back to County office - is troubling.

And many of us were around during the infamous "Dump the Pump" era, when Mr. Warren was not working for the betterment of our environment.

MURPHY gets my vote, hands down!


by Demgal on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 03:28:25 PM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

My 2 cents to all the above:  Recently he confessed that he voted for Clinton, Gore, Rendell, and Kerry.  So instead of quietly changing his registration several years ago, Andy W., the closet democrat, holds a press conference to announce he's seen the light and is now a Reeeeel "Democrat".

........ Yeah, right.


by Lefty Lady on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:16:51 AM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

A couple of things trouble me about all of the comments.  

First, over the past decade or so there has been a general shift in the Republican Party towards a significantly more conservative agenda.  This is shift is documented in the book "Off Center."  The end result of this shift, which was organized by Delay, Norquist, Rove, etc, is the marginalization of moderate Republicans.  Republicans like Andy Warren became, in truth, Republicans in name only.  In fact, Warren's stances on education, stem cell research, and  privacy rights have always been in line with Moderate Democrats.  

Second, criticisms from Murphy supporters about Warren's opportunism seems, at least, mildly hypocritical.  Murphy has never held an elected office before.  While I respect Murphy's service during the war in Iraq, he has never been a public  official.  He seems to be following the trend of officers coming home and trading on America's disenchantment with the war.  Moreover Murphy's ties to the Democratic party are quite tenuous as well.  Murphy voted for BUSH in 2000.  

I'm not entirely sure that either Murphy or Warren lack a bit of opportunism in their running for office.  I have yet to make up my mind about who to support in this race, but harping on Warren's switch without mentioning Murphy's opportunism and questionable voting record is doing a disservice to the undecided voters like myself.


by student101 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 11:09:08 AM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

These sort of arguments are straw men.

First, I imagine that Murphy voting for Bush in 2000 had a bit to do with picking the person who you thin would be the best for increasing funding to the military, which would help him ni his current position in life at that point.  I don't agree with the vote, but it can be rationalized.  

Again, I think the bigger is not about the party switch int he abstract or the hard right move of the GOP leaving moderate repubs out in the abyss.  Rather, Andy has said on a number of occasions recently that if it weren't for this race, he would not have switched his registration.  

Thus, he is onlya  democrat to run in this race.  Not to mention, despite his views on abortion, he made a career of selling public land for irresponsible development and supported, amidst universal lack of support among constituents, making back room deals with developers to install a pumping station in the lower end of the county that had disasterous envinmental consequences for the Delaware river and the surroudnign areas.  Additionally, he has taken campaign contributions from interests that have also given to Mike Fitzpatrick and that had business with PenDot when he was a regional director.

Say what you want but Murphy and him are nothing alike.  Murphy's sole personal tie to republicans is his one vote for Bush in 2000 (which he made up for in 2004).  Andy has made a career out of doing GOP dirty work.

In other words


by sem1480 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 11:27:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

Forget about opportunism...We currently have a body of lawmakers in Washington D.C. whose years of service and experience probably total several hundred years.  It's time for some fresh threads are woven into this severely weathered quilt.  


by Lefty Lady on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:47:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

I think there is too much of an emphasis being placed on "who is the real Democrat" in this race.  To quickly address this issue, I will just say that nobody knows what Murphy's stance is on any topic. All we know is that he voted for Bush, that he is young, and that he is a veteran (which he continues to tell us on an almost daily basis). If Warren wasn't a true Democrat, why would he have the support of the former chairman of Bucks County Democratic Committee, a former Democrat county commissioner, and last year's candidate Ginny Schrader?  

As a person who lives in Philadelphia, and as a registered Democrat, the one thing I really care about is who is going to best serve the local community interests. And in this case, the clear winner is Warren. Just look at his history of service. He grew up in the community, raised his family here, and really understands what this area is all about. Additionally, look at his credentials. He is obviously committed to education. He taught in high school, and built libraries across Bucks County as County Commissioner. He is obviously committed to the future, as he made unparalleled investments in environmental conservation, recycling, and started the Bucks County Farmland Preservation Program.

While Murphy may be a `real' Democrat, he hasn't proved to me that this is really his community, nor that he has any ideas on how to run it. I think that in this case experience, and a history of commitment to the community, deserved to be recognized and rewarded.


by Philly Guru on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 12:25:02 AM EST

Re: Warren = Cuellar? MUST READ (none / 0)

Check Murphy's website (www.murphy06.com) and click on his "issues" link.  You'll find PLENTY of information as to where Murphy stands on the issues.

He was BORN and RAISED in the 8th District - and now he wants to give back to the people who have been part of his life.....He doesn't want to "run" the district.  He wants to REPRESENT it.

Murphy has put energy, enthusiasm and hope back into the Democratic party (a VITAMIN "M", if you will).

I would be proud to have him represent the 8th District...


by Demgal on Sun Mar 05, 2006 at 10:08:10 AM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.