The Hackett-Brown System

Ok, like Chris, I've never waded into the Hackett-Brown fight, but this move by Hackett is something that demands comment.  I have no dog in this fight; I've given twice to Hackett, but I have friends working for Brown and I consider his work in the House genuinely progressive.  I know little about Ohio politics, though what I do know suggests that Brown is probably relying a bit too much on a very dysfunctional Ohio party to do field.  First, though, read what Chris wrote.  

What happened here strikes me as a bit of puffery.  As far as I can tell, Paul Hackett was going to lose this primary.  It was always clear that Brown led by a huge amount in name ID, and Ohio, with lots of media markets, is not a state where you can overcome these handicaps without a lot of money.  Hackett didn't have this money, and he wasn't going to get it.  His campaign was in disarray, and his inexperience as a candidate showed in his sloppy messaging.  At the same time, the existing political establishment was predicting a loss for Hackett, and suggesting that channels of money and support not engage his candidacy.  And  if your gauge is political victory, they were right.

So what's the exit strategy for Hackett?  Let's do a thought experiment, and put yourself in Hackett's place.  One way to get through this would be to let the voters decide.  In all likelihood, Hackett would get crunched in the primary, and that would destroy the myth of Paul Hackett, supercandidate.  He could have won, but that was unlikely.  Another way to go out would have been to drop out, endorse Brown, and run for the OH-02 Congressional seat.  Now, with a perfect storm, Hackett couldn't win this seat, and in 2006, turnout among Republicans would be higher than it was in a special election in 2005.  So if Hackett ran and lost, that would make him a thrice-loser.  Another path would have been to drop out, endorse Brown, and run for a statewide office in 2008.  That would have required a lot of politicking from now until 2008, something I imagine Hackett doesn't like doing.

Then there's what he actually did.  Rather than putting his candidacy to the voters, Hackett blamed party leaders for his campaign, and claimed a betrayal similar to that of being sent to Iraq and reinforced the idea that Democrats are against veterans.  All of this was rational behavior - now Hackett doesn't have to face the voters, and he can take revenge on Brown for reneging on his promise not to run.  

And from the party leadership standpoint, what they did was also rational.  Donors asked them if they should give to Hackett, and behind the scenes they looked at the vote counts and said 'no, Hackett's going to lose.'  Donors look to them for this kind of information, and if they are wrong their crediblity suffers.  

Now, there are a couple of lessons to take away from this episode.

1) We need more and better organization.  Without the ability to give someone like Hackett more than some internet buzz, the netroots cannot boost someone into high elected office.  That means we have to increase our political apparatus.

2) Establishment Democrats are still more powerful than we are, by orders of magnitude.  While we can put tens of thousands into a race, they can dwarf that with millions.

3) We need netroots candidates.  Hackett wasn't a netroots guy - he had never heard of blogs until Tim Tagaris and others delivered huge amounts of cash to his doorstep.  And he didn't have the experience to handle the Ohio political scene with the gravitas necessary to become a Senator.  Until these candidates emerge (and they are emerging), we have to work with political candidates who have one foot in the old world and one in the new world.

4) We need to put pressure on the establishment in systematic, effective ways.  If you are angry at Schumer or Reid, and I have had issues with both at various times, it doesn't matter unless you can figure out a way to make them feel it.  We haven't figured out how to make them feel it yet, because their political survival and success is based on factors that we haven't impacted yet (local media and big dollar donors).

5) Finally, this is the most important piece.  Don't follow Paul Hackett's example.  Be smart, be strategic, and put pressure where it works.  Don't bite off more than you can chew, and do not drop out of politics.  Fight professionally, fight aggressively, and fight like it matters, because it does.  But don't pretend, as Hackett did, like you don't have responsibility for your own actions and that it's some big evil system out there putting you down.  Yes, that system exists, and yes, it sucks, but that means that you have to go into politics with an understanding that you are facing entrenched people who are going to fight you tooth and nail.  Hackett is pretending somehow that he shouldn't have had to fight for power.  Maybe that's true, maybe it's not, but it's fundamentally a naive worldview that you should not emulate.

In politics, we will fight and we will lose elections, and we will keep losing, until one day, we win.  That's what an intraparty struggle means; we have to just take power against savvy insiders.  Meanwhile, we are gaining power, making progress every day, with fights against Ford, Microsoft, Chris Matthews, the Washington Post, Henry Cuellar, Joe Lieberman, and Dick Cheney.  We matter.  We are winning this in the long-term.  Don't let hero-worship get in the way of that fundamental point.



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Re: The Hackett-Brown System (none / 0)

I was a Hackett supporter, but I felt that his actions were childish and short-sighted. Rather than choosing to fight on anyway, or at least bow out with grace, he chose to leave in a tantrum and divide the party, using accusations like "betrayed".

Bad form.


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by Ament Stone of California on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:23:16 PM EST

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well he was betrayed. The establishment kept on nagging him to run when Brown said he would not run. Than he annouces that Brown jumps in and the establishment jumps away almost instantly to Brown. I would be pissed if i was Hackett to.


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by Liberal on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:32:42 PM EST
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So was Howard Dean.  He got and gets stabbed in the back routinely by the Dems that cannot be named.   Did you see him turn surly and run?  Hell no.  He has a lot to learn and one of them is not to be such a hot head.


by oakland on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 05:46:27 AM EST
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So now, I guess, we all turn into gutless Republicans.

Listen to ourselves.  We're all Republicans now.

Ok, fine.  Show me MY "Dear Leader", I will blindly follow...in a pig's eye.

HST used to say, "Give the people a choice between a Republican and a Republican and the Republican will win every time."

It's time to agree that everything we've worked for up to this point doesn't work.  Let's admit it now.

Please, let's radically change our tactics...I'm not going to follow you off a cliff.


by austral on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:00:28 PM EST
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Ummmm, how exactly is Sherrod Brown a Republican?  Sherrod Brown happens to be one of the most progressive members of Congress.  Period.  

I happen to like Paul Hackett very much, not as much as I like Sherrod Brown, but like him nonetheless.  But when Hackett people keep on making hysterical allegations that Brown is a centrist typical Democrat, that Brown was just out to screw Hackett, etc., etc., it really makes me like Paul Hackett much, much less.  It's not realistic, it's not true, and it's not fair to Sherrod Brown.  

So Schumer and Emanuel tried to force Hackett out of the race.  That's bad, everyone agrees on that, but how exactly is it Brown's fault?  It's Schumer and Emanuel's fault and just because they were backing Brown doesn't mean that it's Brown's fault.


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by DanM on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:14:07 PM EST
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This is quality stuff. Finger-pointing doesn't win elections. You might catch some flak for this, but I think you're right on.


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by bluenc on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:25:10 PM EST

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I think you meant on behalf of Ciro Rodriguez and against Cuellar.  Might want to change that before lumping Ciro in with Lieberman.


by Bonedale Dem on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:26:42 PM EST

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Great post. I'd have to go back over it to find something I disagree with.


by Curt Matlock on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:31:49 PM EST

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me too!


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:03:03 PM EST
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"But don't pretend, as Hackett did, like you don't have responsibility for your own actions"

You mean, like the Dem leadership which has delivered defeat after defeat for at least the better part of a decade?

When do they take responsibility for their actions? When do they resign and pass on the torch?


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:35:59 PM EST

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Why don't they resign?  Because no one's forcing them to or building up a parallel structure to replace them.  Except for us.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:43:15 PM EST
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Parallel system? What parallel sytem?

I just watched you guys and Kos get behind an establishment which systematically undermined a fairly progressive guy with massive cross-over appeal.

We saw a similar thing with Dean, though you guys were still on our side back then.

Now we see all the character insults (crybaby, loose cannon, etc.)  used on Hackett that the GOP uses on Dems in general. Guess we've been studying the enemy, then using what we learn on our own, eh?


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:49:39 PM EST
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I didn't get behind anyone in this race.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:13:16 PM EST
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Until Hackett dropped out. Then you guys let him have it.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:20:05 PM EST
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Because of the why he did it.  Hot head - no class.  Unllike Gov. Dean when he got screwed.


by oakland on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 05:48:07 AM EST
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Lots of assumptions here, which seems to be bull.

"As far as I can tell, Hackett was going to lose the primary"

Really?  Why?  Even though the match-ups between both were about equal in name ID?

Not to mention that Hackett ANNOUNCED his candidacy first.  Why didn't Brown back down?

"Hackett didn't have the money, and wasn't going to get it".

Look, ever poll had Hackett and Brown OVER the Republican.  If Hackett had won the primary, he would have gone on and won the race.  The money would have been there.

What you are neglecting - again - is that Brown decided to take this from Hackett - and that Hackett should just be "fine" with it.

Bowers point is good, is that you guys are moving into the "political class".  That is clear with your statement " At the same time, the existing political establishment was predicting a loss for Hackett, and suggesting that channels of money and support not engage his candidacy.  And  if your gauge is political victory, they were right."

Who are "THEY".  "THEY" are the people who let Sherrod Brown back in, without noting that Paul Hackett declared first.  

Not that Brown's a bad guy, but - why does he get off scott-free, in this primary, to the point where PARTY LEADERS would undercut EITHER of the two candidates??  Let them have a real primary, and DON'T interfere.

Lastly - Markos always seemed pretty honest, in his writings.  But man, does he seem co-opted with this particular posting...


by jc on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:36:37 PM EST

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why does he get off scott-free, in this primary, to the point where PARTY LEADERS would undercut EITHER of the two candidates??

He shouldn't get off scott-free.  It's our job to figure out how to cause insiders trouble for what they've done.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:44:03 PM EST
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One way is to quit supporting them and let 'em hang out to dry for a change. Call 'em on their "protection racket" BS. With Alito, we saw just how effective their "protection" is.

Let 'em really get pistol-whipped for being undemocratic and, generally-speaking, GOP-lite. I've had it, and I've been a volunteer, donor,  and involved in local DFL politics for years.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:56:39 PM EST
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Matt,

I think I understand your larger point, but saying in your main post that Harry, Chuck and Rahm were "right" to call Hackett donors and tell them he was a lost cause (at least, that's how your post reads as currently written) completely contradicts your statement here that we need to figure out how to hold insiders accountable for their actions.

It's one thing to say that they were right in their analysis of Hacket...but it's another thing entirely to say they were right in their decision to act on that analysis by undercutting Hackett's campaign.  You need to be EXPLICIT that they were right in the former, but WRONG in the latter.

A point I made elsewhere still stands.  If DC Democrats really believed Hackett was a loser, then why backstab him?  If he was destined to go down in embarrassing defeat in the primary, the embarrassment is his, not theirs.  This was a completely unnecessary decision that reinforces all the worst fears about DC Democrats and their arrogance.


by GreenlaborMike on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:20:31 PM EST
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It was HIS decision to pull out, not party insiders.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:34:33 PM EST
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And it was party insider's decision to undermine his campaign, call his donors, coax him in and then back the other guy. Not mainstreet Ohioans and especially not southern Ohioans.

And it was the supposed progressive blogs such as your own and Kos' who have now decided to pile it on, kick the dawg while he's down, now that he's pulled out.

Class all around indeed. Guess that's what crashing the gates was all about, huh?


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:39:23 PM EST
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I agree here - what the issue boils down to is:

a. If the storyline so far is accurate, the democratic "establishment" decided to act in an undemocratic way, and undercut Hackett - after praising him so much as a "fighting dem".
b. You guys - well, at least Kos - have NOT denounced this undemocratic behaviour, but have rationalized it.
(I'm not sure about you, although I haven't heard a full-throated denunciation, but more a denunciation around the edges)
c. Some people are then pointing out that Hackett has a problem with this, that he doesn't "understand how the game is played".  But - yeah, right?  The fact that he is an honest straight shooter, and COMPLAINS and is HONEST about being undermined behind his back - that is ONE of the things we like about him.

LET there be a primary.  Not these undemocratic decision makers deciding FOR us.

And maybe I expect too much - but I expect a full-throated denunciation of the undemocratic behavior, from the netroots leaders.

Am I crazy to expect this?


by jc on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:46:22 PM EST
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absolutely not.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:49:19 PM EST
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Matt, that's dodging the question.  We can agree that Paul's decision to make a noisy withdrawal was a mistake, but that does not excuse Chuck, Harry, and Rahm's decision to undercut his campaign in the first place.

One more time...if they believed his campaign was a loser, then why choose to actively undermine the campaign by calling his donors?  Why risk the backlash, as exactly happened here?

And why not loudly denounce THAT decision?  Even if you agree that Hackett should have withdrawn quietly, or even better, switched to the House election, that shouldn't mean you tacitly support the DC Democrats...right?


by GreenlaborMike on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:31:18 PM EST
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Reid didn't call his donors.  I don't know of the others.  


by Matt Stoller on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:25:58 PM EST
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They were trying to get Hackett to rerun in the 02 just as many of us in OH 02 were trying to do. He was the only chance. I don't think his departure has helped that chance now even if he decides to run for that seat.


by carsick on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:41:28 PM EST
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Great post Matt.  I am glad you didn't get too swallowed up by the passions to not see objective reality.  I supported Hacket and liked him and wanted him to win.

But shouting down people with nasty caplocked posts isn't going to win the day.  In the end, it is organization, cold hard cash, and message discipline.

If we keep working, the netroots candidates won't be joke ones like Chuck P in PA (who is losing 70 to 5 in the PA primary), they will be realistic candidates with real shots of winning.


by DaveB on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:43:02 PM EST

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I totally agree with Matt on this post.
First of all, Matt's assertion that "Hackett was going to lose the primary anyway" is based on internal polling that showed Brown way out in front. This is due to the fact that A) Brown had more money, B) Brown, as a former statewide office holder, had more name ID, C) Brown resides in northeastern Ohio, the liberal bastion of the state, and D) Brown was more organized.
I really didnt care who won this primary because I liked both candidates. I'm not going to sit here and  pull out a kleenex for Hackett though. Dont sit here and tell me he was forced out of the race by party leaders... he made that decision himself. He could have stayed in the race, let the voters decide, but instead HE pulled out of the race. Like Matt said, he is ultimately responsible for his actions. Now lets get behind Sherrod.
by AC4508 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:49:37 PM EST
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Re: The Hackett-Brown System (3.00 / 1)

So what have we learned? Money talks. Chuck out men like Hackett who can't raise as much as stalwart and long shot favorites like whatshisname Brown. Primaries? Why! We are progressives, we can let the Dem bigshots decide who has more money and should be allowed to fight elections. This is capitalism, after all. Right?

And how about feeling for a non-political guy who feels betrayed? Are you kidding me--why should we? This is politics, we are progressives, we should know! Money talks.


by saurabhgupta on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:54:11 PM EST
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Politics is a cold ruthless business.  


by Matt Stoller on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:13:56 PM EST
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Not always. Many times, but not always.

And statesmen generally do not have to descend to this level of hackery, but then, the Dems don't have too many statesmen. In fact, they're afraid of them.

You do realize, however, that your giving voice to this "politics is hard-ball" excuse indicates you have chosen sides. And IMHO, in this particular instance, it is not the principled side, but rather, the side of hackery and politics as usual.

You'll not move the needle thinking that way.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:42:42 PM EST
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Re: The Hackett-Brown System (3.00 / 2)

This whole thing has been unfortunate all along. I have always liked Sherrod  Brown and I was excited by Hackett's efforts against Jean Schmidt and it sucked that these 2 were against each other. The whole Hackett-declared-first thing made Brown look bad when he entered and that sucked too. But in the end, I feel like Hackett handled this poorly. I can understand his anger but his "I'm taking my toys and going home" response indicates to me that he isn't really cut out for politics. I'm totally netroots oriented and I want strong candidates and the more anti-war the better - but regardless of how the candidate rates on a left to right scale, a candidate has to have a desire to hang in there or they will be discouraged by the battles they face. Every Democrate candidate has a financial disadvantage relative to republican candidates. People who are personally wealthy have an advantage over those who aren't, regardless of party. If you're a candidate, from whatever place you start, its necessary to recognize exactly what your disadvantages are and go from there, not blame the world because you have the disadvantage.

We have a lot on our plate right now in terms of things stacked against us. One of those things is the fact that we don't have publicly financed campaigns - something which would level the playing field. If Paul Hackett wants to serve the public he might focus on that issue, or some other issue and work as an activist towards something that will benefit us. Triumphs in that arena could bolster his resume and help him be more viable down the road. There's many other approaches he can take as well. Or he can decide that the idea of public office was more alluring than the reality of it, and move on into private life which is his right.

But his withdrawel has the air of Richard Nixon's "you won't have me to pick on anymore" speech and it does nothing but damage Democrats. It's very human but I'm sorry he's gone this route.


by aahhgh on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:54:25 PM EST

very true (3.00 / 2)

I agree with pretty much everything you have to say here. I never liked the two of them being against each other and still hadn't decided which I was going to vote for. I probably wouldn't have decided until the day of the primary vote. At first I hoped that they were going to hash it out in a personal discussion and eliminate the need for a primary altogether. Then when that failed, I was hoping that maybe the primary would at least be a way to boost both Hackett's and Brown's visibility in ways beneficial to both. Neither of those happened.

The whole thing sucks for Paul, and I understand that. But I am really turned off by the "screw you guys, I'm going home" attitude. There's a lot that Hackett can still do -- if he's serious about fixing things.

Or do Marines just give up when things don't work out for them the first time through?

If he or someone in his org is reading this, I'd suggest he take a cue from Dean. Defeated and laughed at in the 2004 primary, Dean stuck to it and is now reshaping the entire party for the better with his decisions as DNC chair. I'm not suggesting Hackett run for the Ohio Dem party chair, but surely there's got to be a way to redirect his talent and appeal into something constructive.


by drewthaler on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:44:21 PM EST
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Its rare that I agree with you.  I am glad to have that opportuntiy.


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:12:10 PM EST

Thank you Matt (none / 0)

Terrific post, and one everyone who feels highly emotional about this should be forced to read.

Chris' post below about the class stratifications in the progressive activist movement and the way they play into this makes some good points. But I think he misses the elephant in the room, which is cult of personality surrounding netroots superstars like Dean and Hackett. This type of enthusiastic devotion to a candidate seen as taking on "the system" is key to understanding the intense feelings of betrayal on the part of supporters and activists. It's disgust with the system and loyalty to what amounts a savior figure and furious frustration at seeing that all gone in an instant.

But look at how Dean handled his downfall compared to how Hackett handled his, and there is a world of difference. Dean knew the goals he was fighting for were more important than personal hurt feelings, and that translated into a professional, successful response which lead to real changes in the system. Hackett, in throwing up his arms and said "I'm out," both threw gasoline on the fire and betrayed his supporters and those in his party who share his convictions and passions.

It's about what matters most. To Hackett, it's personal betrayal and hurt feelings. To all of us, it should be the goals we are fighting for and how best to accomplish them given the system as it exists today.


by tparty on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:32:06 PM EST

Running scared (3.00 / 1)

It's funny seeing all these apologists invent reasons why this was all Paul Hackett's fault.
I've heard Kos say that Hackett's entrance into the race was bungled.  Bullshit-- Brown's was.  Hackett didn't announce his intention to run until Brown told him that he wasn't running.
Now Stoller says that Hackett didn't have a chance of winning the primary because of lack of money and low name ID.  Does that mean we knife him in the back and try to force him out of the race?  Is that what good Democrats do to their underfunded candidates?
NO!  That's what fucking Republicans do to their underfunded candidates.

This is GROTESQUE; Hackett's reaction is understandable; Schumer is a scumbag; and if you don't see it that way, you have no idea what a progressive is.


by ChgoSteve on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:33:02 PM EST

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Fine, fine. I guess I have no idea what makes for a progressive. I suppose that unless I have my copy of Chairman Howard's Little Blue Book and the bigger-than-life-size poster of Colonel Paul hanging on my living-room wall, I've got no idea what a progressive is.

Fine. Just because some of you folks insist on living in an ideological ghetto doesn't mean we have to. Hackett, as mentioned above, could have done the stand-up thing and directed his energies to building a Buckeye version of Democracy for America. Instead, he's whingeing.

I've got no time to whinge; my brothers and sisters in Iraq don't have time for me to whinge; and things are too far along for me to get in a snit.


by Arkhangel on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:50:45 PM EST
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There is "whingeing" and then there is being honest about what's happening to him.  I for one, am glad he's not a "pol", who goes along to get along, but sees the undermining from the democratic fundraisers, behind his back, and calls it.

If he "went along", he would eventually go along with the Republican establishment too.


by jc on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:54:24 PM EST
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Re: Running scared (none / 0)

Who's talking about an ideological ghetto.

We're simply pointing out you guys haven't exactly been producing the goods, been effective, etc.

Looks to me the emperor on our side also has no clothes, but refuses to listen to the rank 'n file in this regard.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:55:43 PM EST
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ChgoSteve (none / 0)

I may not know what a progressive is anymore but I bet you don't live in Ohio.  Your either/or labelling is fascinating but it denies the reality that candidates need to win elections and longshots need to run on principle knowing that they have little chance of winning today but that their efforts will move the principle forward. Hackett wasn't an end-run candidate. He dropped out as soon as the establishment went toward the frontrunner.  What's that say about the principles he was fighting for? Are they forwarded with his withdrawal?  Are progressive principles forwarded with his withdrawal?


by carsick on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:54:46 PM EST
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Re: ChgoSteve (none / 0)

I think Hackett dropped out because he was repulsed by what he saw, just as I have been.
Perhaps you can explain to me why Schumer, etc., felt the need to pressure Hackett to leave the race (especially since they had earlier encouraged him to run).  Why they contacted his donors and discouraged their contributions.  Why the establishment hates competitive primaries.  Why the Democrats seem as much about money and the old boys network as the Republicans.

If progressives are fighting for anything, it's to end this type of backroom, insider bullshit and open the system to everyone.  Days like this that make me realize so little has changed.


by ChgoSteve on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:31:33 PM EST
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Priority (none / 0)

This should be way down our list of priorities right now:

If progressives are fighting for anything, it's to end this type of backroom, insider bullshit and open the system to everyone.  Days like this that make me realize so little has changed.

Job ONE is getting rid of Republicans in power who believe that torture is ok, that social security needs to go, and that the rich need tax breaks while everyone else gets screwed.

Sherrod Brown will forward that fight. Worrying about backroom dealing is much less important than turning out the theocratic authoritarian cabal running our government. First, we deal with the reality that Sherrod Brown is the candidate and we make sure he is elected. The rest can wait.


by Curt Matlock on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:58:27 PM EST
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Exactly Right Curt (none / 0)

We're fighting to get the keys to the car not which way to walk down the driveway.


by carsick on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:05:52 PM EST
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Exactly Right Curt (none / 0)

We're fighting to get the keys to the car not which way to walk down the driveway.


by carsick on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:06:28 PM EST
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Sherrod Brown is a liberal.  Not a progressive.
Although a liberal is definitely preferable to a conservative, they are part of the same money addiction-- the same game of entitlements and carveouts.
I have fought backroom dealing for the last 15 years in Chicago.  It's no better when a Democrat does it than when a Republican does it.
Elected leaders showing preference for their friends, those who are well-positioned and monied, is as anti-democratic and corrupting as blatant vote theft.

You can convince me to support Brown.  I will.  But there is no way that anyone can convince me that what happened to Paul Hackett was fine and fair.  It was sickening.  Democrats should be better than that.


by ChgoSteve on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:18:15 PM EST
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Re: Priority (3.00 / 0)

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it was "fine and fair."  

The disagreement seems lie in whether what happened is so aggregious as to compromise Sherrod Brown as a candidate.

That and a lot of people threatening (in vain, I hope) to leave the Democratic party because of this.


by looty on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:55:02 PM EST
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I don't think it has compromised Sherrod Brown.  I don't have a grudge against him, though I do think he's a flip-flopper.
I have a grudge against Schumer (but I was already pissed at him for trying to get Suozzi to run against Spitzer) and Emanuel (but I was already pissed at him for getting Duckworth to challenge Cegelis). Why do they think they're kingmakers?  That's OUR job.  Consequently I had myself removed from the DSCC and DCCC mailing lists today.
If, however, it turns out that Brown was involved in some of the underhanded things that drove Hackett from the race, I will not actively support his candidacy.
by ChgoSteve on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 06:58:31 PM EST
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Amen, brother. There's so much bitterness right now in the Ohio blogs, and I wish that bitterness would be rededicated to a greater desire to fight.

Somewhat off-topic, but germane: I was having an argument with a "progressive" last week. We were going in circles, and he kept insisting that our commemoration of the Iraq War's third anniversary need to have a component of "speaking truth to power." I was there as the resident anti-war vet representative.

At this, I blew up. I'm sorry, but I blew up. My response was:

"Look, all due respect, I'm sick and tired of speaking truth to power. I want to be power."

And that's what I'm getting from a lot of Hack's partisans; they'd rather speak truth to power than be power now.


by Arkhangel on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:42:09 PM EST

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What you don't get is that in acting this way, your lot neither speaks to power, nor can gain it.

We've seen your lot's performance over the past decade, and found it wanting. Is this really that hard to understand?


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:45:10 PM EST
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It's not. But why don't you guys dedicate yourselves to taking over the party from within--or even building the parallel structures needed to support an insurgency? I'm willing to do that. Are you?

Hackett's just a man. That's all he is. There's more where he came from. If you're so displeased with the process, take it over.


by Arkhangel on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:52:50 PM EST
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Umm, you think this BS is the thing to keep us interested?

I don't think so. 3 decades of ineffective leadership, three straight election debacles. I think I'll shop for another horse, thank you, yours has bad teeth and, what's worse, its trainer refuses to see this.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:57:57 PM EST
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Time Out:

Don't let hero-worship get in the way of that fundamental point.

Hero worship?  Is that what all this boils down to for you?  

Look, I'm not an Ohio voter so I didn't have a dog in this race but the will of the people was actively subverted because their opportunity to choose who would represent them was taken away.  

I'm all for increasing our political apparatus and seriously pressuring Establishment Democrats but to dismiss it as just "hero worship" is asinine.  There's a bigger issue and the hero worship angle is a distraction.


by KimPossible on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:00:04 PM EST

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Look, I'm not an Ohio voter so I didn't have a dog in this race but the will of the people was actively subverted because their opportunity to choose who would represent them was taken away.  

First of all, the will of the voters in poll after poll seems to have been for Brown, not for Hackett.

Secondly, that choice was taken away alright... by Hackett.

By withdrawing, he let the "party insiders" decide the race instead of the voters.


by tparty on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:11:01 PM EST
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The process is dominated by money. This simply underlines that simple fact. The Democratic party, while less beholden to money than the GOP, is still crushed by the weight of its domination.

Why do you think the press can get away with characterizing Abramoff as more or less evidence of a bipartisan scandal? Because the topos for that characterization exists. Why does it exist? Because there is more than a little grain of truth to that characterization. Playing hard-ball with Hackett simply serves to underline that kernel of truth, that money buys both parties, and there you have it in a nutshell why average American's see this lobbying scandal is more or less bipartisan.

So sure, we can go ahead and "try to work from within," or, since 3 decades of that have not worked, just let your lot be crushed under the rot your complicity in the system has engendered.

Reform will come, and it is unfortunate the Dems will need to be pushed out of the way to see it through.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:02:42 PM EST

Well said ... I mean written ... Matt (none / 0)

I think you pretty much nailed it.

Thanks for a healthy dose of reality.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:11:33 PM EST

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The Democratic party leadership surrounded by loser consultants have lost election after election and have zero track record of success.

Instead of supporting open democratic primaries and encouraging many candidates and allowing Democratic party voters to decide who best to represent them, these DC politicians use backroom machinations as they are afraid of losing their patronage system. They don't really care if they are a permanent minority as long as they get to share in the looting of the taxpayer.

What is interesting is that unlike the Repubs that play to their base at all times and as a result engender unswerving loyalty even when there is clear evidence of corruption and abuse, the Dems leadership always stomp over their base by wanting to move to the "center". The electorate are no dummies. They would always prefer the real deal in comparison to Repub-lite. They prefer candidates with courage of conviction than weather vanes.

As the recent MyDD polls and other polls show, there is no "center" in America today. The electorate is deeply divided. There is no way in hell any Democratic candidate will ever get the Repubs to vote for them. So, in my opinion the only way Dems get elected is by playing strongly towards their base and getting them energized and excited to go out and vote. And by the way as these polls show the majority of independents support liberal positions.

Since the Dems DC leadership are afraid of standing up to the Repub slime machine and actually taking the fight to the political opposition, they are quite happy acting tough with their base who have behaved in an incredibly masochistic manner over the past few election cycles. These DC leaders are quite happy winning "safe" Dems seats and playing their patronage games.

The netroots need to keep up the good fight despite the DC crowd. We must support fighters in the primaries not just those "annointed" in DC.


by ab initio on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:14:30 PM EST

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This is an excellent post Matt.

Here's what I wrote earlier about the Hackett scenario and netroots support.

One of the things I found specifically with the Hackett situation is how some with little voice in the party, the region or state but lots of time for commenting in weblogs can be whipped into such an almost messianic fervor about a candidate and then drive forward without the need for reality checks.
I live in OH 02 and have given money to Hackett. A few times when I would post about conditions on the ground here in Southwestern Ohio I would have people blast me for not being a real progressive or a real democrat because I didn't report what they wanted to hear. People from Oregon or New York who knew nothing of this area yet KNEW that Hackett would win overwhelmingly if I would only believe harder or not report on what I was hearing in the neighborhood or district.  Unbelievable vitriol from people who had passion but no knowledge.

There were many people in this district who felt Hackett should have run again for the 02 and that he was not ready for the bigger stage.  There were people here who took down Hackett signs from their yards in '05 because his outspokenness was becoming profane and personal. I don't mean the activists, I mean people in their 50's to 70's who still voted for Hackett but began becoming uncomfortable with his increasingly personal attacks. The possibility that Hackett's "Said it, Meant it,Stand behind it" attitude would have garnered a lot of votes from people in their 20's to early 40's but little support from the traditional money pots was very real. You can't win in Ohio that way. As the potential reality that he was losing to Brown in the pre-primary polls, some feared he would start going for Brown's blood and fatally hurt the eventual candidate for the general election.
The enthusiasm for Hackett from activists around the country does not change the reality on the ground.  Ohio is a moderately conservative state and that conservatism is also reflected in the way people express themselves.  The blogosphere may like loud and proud and confrontational but my lifetime experience in Ohio informs me that the confrontational part isn't such a big draw in our neck of the woods.
Maybe the netroots would like a shooting star that goes down in spectacular flames but at the end of the day, for those who want to defeat the current legislative majority, a loss is a loss.  We need wins.
Perhaps the netroots were projecting their hopes on a candidate they sorely felt should be in Washington but they seemed to be overlooking that you need to get there by winning elections... and that in the major leagues they play hardball.
DeWine wouldn't have forgotten that. I'm certain if he were to face Hackett he would have been sitting in regular meetings strategizing how to provoke Hackett into an off-the-cuff inappropriate comment while on camera. And then sit back and grin as they waited for the inevitable, "Said it. Meant it. Stand behind it." and the sound of the whiff of the bat as the candidate went down swinging.


by carsick on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:22:47 PM EST

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I have to agree with much of what you say. As I said earlier, the whole thing has been unfortunate from the start. I live in Sherrod Brown's district, I've met him and I like him. I also was excited by Hackett's '05 campaign so I was in a quandary from the start. I didn't know which way I would go and hoped that as time passed I would get a better sense of things based on the activities of the respective candidates. I was also concerned that they would be forced to damage one-another to a degree that would be hurtful to whoever won the primary.

But I'll tell ya, Hackett's way of handling this is very disappointing. It just is. However much the powers-that-be were pressuring him, his job was to keep going. Had he kept going he would have won yet more respect for going the distance even with the odds against him. Instead he chose not only to exit the contest but to be petulent about it.

I am in complete agreement with many of the others that have posted that the party has got to be revolutionized from within, and that the power has to be brought back to the people and away from the current power structure. Some of the burden for this change was laid upon Paul Hackett - which may not have been his choice at all. His decision to quit indicates to me that he did not see that as his purpose. But I think he should recognize that he was representing something bigger than his own personal contest - he was representing the hopes of many people who saw him as an agent for needed change. And he did not serve them well by walking off the field in anger and inciting this internecine hostility.


by aahhgh on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:38:17 PM EST
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So who runs against mean Jean?

If Hackett would put his ego aside, apologize for blowing up, and lay out the situation in an objective honest way, would he still be mean Jean's biggest threat?

It's not like the GOP numbers are going up in Ohio.  The Noe scandal is still perculating; Ney is step away from an indictment; Blackwell trails Strickland by a good margin.

The one comment I'm not sure about is:

" Now, with a perfect storm, Hackett couldn't win this seat, and in 2006, turnout among Republicans would be higher than it was in a special election in 2005."

All turnout will be higher.  I would also predict that there's not much there that would motivate the fundies to turn out en mass this time.


by Dick Tuck on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:36:54 PM EST

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I'm afraid his recent comments won't help him in the 02 now even if he enters that race. She was beatable before but only by him.  Now maybe not.


by carsick on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:41:49 PM EST
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I'm trying  to reserve judgement. Ed Schultz is charging that Brown's people "Swift-Boated" Hackett by spreading rumors about Hackett's time in Iraq. He's going to have Hackett on his show.

Also, I'm genuinely confused. Why are the authors of "Crashing the Gate" siding with the Washington, D.C. establishment? I'm not trying to be snotty I really don't understand. I thought this kind of thing was what we were against.


by jondevore on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:22:18 PM EST

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Heh, if Dems lose Eddy Schultz, and it sounds like they might have, they may as well kiss goodbye the following:

1) MT

  1. VA
  2. NV
  3. AZ
  4. MO

Good job guys.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:25:10 PM EST
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Why are the authors of "Crashing the Gate" siding with the Washington, D.C. establishment?

Because they're being realistic. At least, that's their reasoning.


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by LiberalFromPA on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:28:47 PM EST
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Yeah, I'm going to keep reserving judgement on the whole thing. I don't always buy the veracity of talk radio hosts, although Schultz is clearly steamed.

Naturally judgements about who is most electable happen all the time at every level, and they often lead to bruised egos and anger.

I think one of the points of "Crashing the Gates" is supposed to be that when the people making those decisions keep losing, then we have to stand up to them and wrest control away from them.

I don't have a problem with people making political calculations about who is the most electable. I really don't have a problem with candidates being muscled out of the way when needed.

I would have a problem if Schultz's charge about nasty rumor-mongering turned out to be true. And again, I really don't know.


by jondevore on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:35:29 PM EST
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Honestly, I can't get fired up about Hackett dropping out, though it does disappoint me that he's leaving politics altogether. If rumor-mongering was involved, I won't exactly be fired up about Brown's candidacy either, but I still want him to take out DeWine.

However, I'm curious as to what this means in the long-run for the netroots. Will there be a lasting backlash? Or will people be pissed, and then get hit with reality come the general that we could have another 2 years of Republican controlling all three branches of government?


TAKE BACK OUR PARTY: Democracy Bonds
by LiberalFromPA on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:43:30 PM EST
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I think this is the best analysis of l'affaire Hackett I've read so far.  There are solid lessons we can take away from this, if we can move beyond the vitriol and finger-pointing.


by looty on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 04:53:11 PM EST

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What I have a problem with is the image that that running for the house, then running for the senate, then dropping out to run for the house presents. I think that would look pretty bad, and reflect badly on Hackett and the party. You could cast it as desperation.

My other problem is that the way Hackett went out damages us in the PR wars. I would have rather him just bowed out and I hope this isn't spun badly.

My advice to Hackett? Run for your local political office, city commissioner, mayor etc. I think you can make a real difference at a local level without the kind of hard-core pressure cooker that a statewide or district wide race would require.


by MNPundit on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:10:31 PM EST

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Matt, much of what you say about Hackett's being one down in the primary could be considered a self-fulfilling prophecy. Donors ask where to go, the progressive "aristocracy" tells them not Hackett, he gets no money or support from the party and then looks "disorganized", and the cycle continues.

As per Chris's post, you're simply repeating the "aristocracy's" logic.

I contend it's that kind of logic that got Democrats where they are in the first place.  Look at George Bush.  One paper, he's the worst, stupidest, idiotic candidate anyone could possible put up.  But the Republicans did.  That's because the political genius of Rove can read the political/cultural landscape, matching the candidate meta-message to the voting public.  It drives Democrats crazy because it's illogical.  But guess what?  They win.  Do you really think Brown has a meta-message advantage over Hackett in the relatively conservative swing state of Ohio?  

I've written about this until I'm blue in the face.  I'm a lifelong (35 years as a registered voter) Democrat who is seriously considering going independent.  The Democratic establishment gets not one cent more from me, and I've given literally thousands.

Politics is about passion.  If the reality-based Democrats can't figure that out, they'll only win if the Republicans are even more incompetent.  After all, Karl Rove has to retire someday.


by greyhair on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:39:10 PM EST

Mike Miles (none / 0)

The name I reference above belongs to a veteran Ranger who ran in Colorado in 2004 against the party-backed favorite, Ken Salazar. After Ben Nighthorse Campbell (the incumbent R) withdrew from the race, Salazar wasted no time jumping in. In the process, the party establishment essentially backed Salazar, depriving Miles of the funds needed to compete.

Did this stop Miles? No. He went on to campaign in the primary, gain the top-line on the ballot by out-organizing and beating Salazar at the state convention. He ended up losing badly in the primary (73%-27%), but even that didn't deter him; he went on to found an orgazniation called Be the Change USA, which has been rather successful in presenting his message.

What was stopping Hackett from doing the same thing? Where does it say that he had to have backing? If you say you're going to fight, then fight.


by Arkhangel on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 06:22:51 PM EST

Very well said. Thanks. n/t (none / 0)


by mike20169 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:30:45 PM EST

Re: The Hackett-Brown System (3.00 / 1)

I think we need to channel this anger at the party power structure towards structural change. We need to get to work on public financing of campaigns, state by state. As long as the structure remains as is, there will be people at the top who can control how funding is decided. As long as they control it, they call the shots, period.

After we get our anger off our chests I'd like to see us get to work on structural change. Repubs are abhorrent; much of our Democratic leadership is incompetent. But very, very few human beings voluntarily cede power once they have it, and politicians are by nature egotistical.

Public financing of campaigns could accomplish 2 critical objectives: it could negate the power of lobbyists and special interests, and it could enable candidates to rise based on their merits rather than their war chests.

We have seen how horribly awry our country can go when power is concentrated. The same forces are at work within our party as well. A lot of things that are wrong politically right now can be addressed by means other than electing specific candidates. We need to explore those avenues with as much ferocity as we support individual progressive candidates. Because, no matter what the candidate believes, they are human. We can't put our eggs in one basket.


by aahhgh on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 12:26:54 AM EST


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