Hackett Out of Politics?

This is ugly:

Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran and popular Democratic candidate in Ohio's closely watched Senate contest, said yesterday that he was dropping out of the race and leaving politics altogether as a result of pressure from party leaders.

Mr. Hackett said Senators Charles E. Schumer of New York and Harry Reid of Nevada, the same party leaders who he said persuaded him last August to enter the Senate race, had pushed him to step aside so that Representative Sherrod Brown, a longtime member of Congress, could take on Senator Mike DeWine, the Republican incumbent.

And Hackett's response?

"This is an extremely disappointing decision that I feel has been forced on me," said Mr. Hackett, whose announcement comes two days before the state's filing deadline for candidates. He said he was outraged to learn that party leaders were calling his donors and asking them to stop giving and said he would not enter the Second District Congressional race.

"For me, this is a second betrayal," Mr. Hackett said. "First, my government misused and mismanaged the military in Iraq, and now my own party is afraid to support candidates like me."

Mr. Hackett was the first Iraq war veteran to seek national office, and the decision to steer him away from the Senate race has surprised those who see him as a symbol for Democrats who oppose the war but want to appear strong on national security.

"Alienating Hackett is not just a bad idea for the party, but it also sends a chill through the rest of the 56 or so veterans that we've worked to run for Congress," said Mike Lyon, executive director for the Band of Brothers, a group dedicated to electing Democratic veterans to national office.  

Ugly.

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UPDATE2: I removed the first update b/c I'm going to make it a separate post.



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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 4)

Idiotic, hapless, dimwitted, clueless Democrats.  Is it too much to ask that party elders like Schumer and Reid should have understood that this needed to be handled carefully and privately, given that Ohio is crucial and we might have a shot at winning both of those seats?  Where was Dean in all of this?   I would have thought that he was smart enough to do it right.

Jeezus, we need a housecleaning.


by global yokel on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 11:47:42 PM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

The STUPIDITY OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERS !

Whatever reasons they had, WHY IN THE WORLD YOU handle it the way they did.

Hackett, the 1st Iraq vet to run as a Democrat,in a time when we AS A POLITICAL PARTY are trying hard to deflect attacks by the GOP right wing machine on our commitment to national security & terrorism. And to do this in such a crucial Red State like Ohio.

Unbelievable !

And to SAVE FACE by offering him a DISTRICT that is almost impossible for any Democrat to win.

THIS IS ABUSE by party leaders.

This also proves that the Party annoints people regardless if your a Moderate or a Liberal. As long as you're party of the establishment, you're in. A life long Liberal Sherrod just got annointed over a Progressive Anti-War awesome Democrat in Hackett!


by fightingLadyinblue on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:55:54 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

And to SAVE FACE by offering him a DISTRICT that is almost impossible for any Democrat to win.

Hackett came within 4% of winning the special election last summer.  It is not outside the realm of possibility that Hackett could win OH-02 this year if he chose to run.


by KTinOhio on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:25:40 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

"Hackett came within 4% of winning the special election last summer.  It is not outside the realm of possibility that Hackett could win OH-02 this year if he chose to run."

It's also not outside the realm of possibility that George Bush could go on national TV today and apologize for being totally incompetent and dishonest, then cast himself into the freezing cold Potomac River because he can't live with himself anymore.

Of course, that doesn't mean it's going to happen either.

Hackett did as well as he possibly could have in OH-02 last year.  The circumstances were absolutely perfect for him to perform as well as he did in the special.  Repeating that, or improving on it, is only slightly more likely than the Bush scenario outlined above.


by Politicalhack06 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:44:32 AM EST
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stop buying their rhetoric (3.00 / 1)

02  ALREADY HAS 5 CANDIDATES RUNNING and PAUL PROMISED he wouldn't do what Sherrod did-Reneged his refusal to run for the Senate and support Paul for the Senate.  Only one hypocrite and traitor here.  


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:32:06 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

I would describe it more as a needed gutting and rebuilding process, rather than a housecleaning.  

Reading how this played out, two things were in my mind.  Harry Reid's "deer in the headlights" look when asked who the party leader was.  He stuttered like he was caught cheating on his taxes, "well, you'll have to ask my accountant about that deduction."  

And the general failure of the Democratic party to stand up for anything substantive and offer a broad, mainstream platform of opposition to current administration policies.  My thoughts.  I saw this failure as political cowardice.  Now, I dont think that is that case.  It's not cowardice, it's confused apathy and personal agendas and ambitions and strategies overriding a coherent message.  It's concensus by closed-door committee, and trying to be all to everyone, and an unwillingness to take political risks.  It is backroom deals and political patronage and payback.  What a waste.

The party has at its disposal cadres of intelligent, generous and dilligent citizens willing to work their asses off in the name of a greater good.  And the Democrats cant use them as part of a broad opposition.  The party has no leaders to articulate a passionate and inspiring message that can resonate with the people.  And potential resources are wasted.  The idea that we can see a political realignment in this atmosphere, as Bowers would have it, is fantasy.  


by Winston Smith on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:09:36 AM EST
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I wrote the following letter to my Senator Schumer (3.00 / 2)

I chose this topic as I want to express not only my disappointment but absolute anger and sense of outrage at Senator Schumer for his DSCC work regarding Iraq Veteran Paul Hackett of Ohio.  This off My Due Diligence Blog site:

Hackett Out of Politics?
by Matt Stoller, Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 11:40:42 PM EST

This is ugly:

Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran and popular Democratic candidate in Ohio's closely watched Senate contest, said yesterday that he was dropping out of the race and leaving politics altogether as a result of pressure from party leaders.

Mr. Hackett said Senators Charles E. Schumer of New York and Harry Reid of Nevada, the same party leaders who he said persuaded him last August to enter the Senate race, had pushed him to step aside so that Representative Sherrod Brown, a longtime member of Congress, could take on Senator Mike DeWine, the Republican incumbent.

And Hackett's response?

"This is an extremely disappointing decision that I feel has been forced on me," said Mr. Hackett, whose announcement comes two days before the state's filing deadline for candidates. He said he was outraged to learn that party leaders were calling his donors and asking them to stop giving and said he would not enter the Second District Congressional race.

"For me, this is a second betrayal," Mr. Hackett said. "First, my government misused and mismanaged the military in Iraq, and now my own party is afraid to support candidates like me."

Mr. Hackett was the first Iraq war veteran to seek national office, and the decision to steer him away from the Senate race has surprised those who see him as a symbol for Democrats who oppose the war but want to appear strong on national security.

"Alienating Hackett is not just a bad idea for the party, but it also sends a chill through the rest of the 56 or so veterans that we've worked to run for Congress," said Mike Lyon, executive director for the Band of Brothers, a group dedicated to electing Democratic veterans to national office.  

Ugly.

As a NY resident, voter and past Senate contributor I am disgusted by this type of wine dine and serve him up for dinner attitude Senator Schumer and the DSCC took toward Paul Hackett. The Senators short sightedness may well damage the valuable political alliance forged between Military Veterans and Iraq veterans in particular and the Democratic Party during this election cycle!  Please inform Senator Schumer that I am discontinuing my past practice of donating to Senate candidates through the DSCC and will pick and choose individual campaigns to direct my donations to in the future.


by politics64 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:06:56 AM EST
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Hackett Grandstanding (2.33 / 6)

He is the guy going public with the "I'm taking my ball and going home" stuff.  Hackett read too many of his own clippings.   The fact that the guy ran one close race doesn't put him above the party.  

Brown is the best guy to take on DeWine.  Hackett would make a great House candidate.  Unfortunately, he wants it all and he wants it now.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:11:04 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Grandstanding (none / 0)

He wanted a fair shot.  He wasn't asking for anything else.


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:54:40 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (2.00 / 2)

Hackett aired the dirty laundry, not Reid and Schumer. The article is pretty clear. so don't blame them for something you don't like, but they didn't do.

Paul Hackett (who I gave $100 to) decided to gripe in public.  He took his ball and went home. How absolutely Bushian of him!

Flame away.


by rhinsker on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:26:22 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

They CALLED HIS DONORS.   This was Schumer and Reid telling the netroots FUCK YOU, WE RUN THIS PARTY.  

Paul hackett knew that no matter how much $$ Emanuel raised for him in OH-2, he could not win, the Senate was his chance and Schumer and Reid threw him under the bus, and the netroots as well.

Fuck Schumer, Reid and the DSCC.


by sjs1959 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:23:07 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

They CALLED HIS DONORS.

Welcome to the nuts and bolts of politics. He's not the first candidate that's happened to, nor will he be the last. Some donors when approached in this fashion will say "take a hike", others won't. It's a tough world and you have to be tough to function in it.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:09:39 PM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

And down the drain goes any hope of cooperation and party unity.

But then again, when are we gonna fight for the soul of the party if not now?


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 11:48:14 PM EST

Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 7)

First Schumer forces a Theocon on Pennsylvania and now he fucks up the second battleground state? What a disgrace. Total fucking disgrace.

If anyone bumps into Schumer, tell him to buy a conical hat and follow the wall until he finds a corner.


by blogswarm on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 11:53:46 PM EST

Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 2)

You beat me to it re: PA.  

What kind of message are the 'leaders' of our party sending to the grassroots?  We will quash your candidates if they don't listen.  Fuck them.


--
Albert Yee
Philadelphia, PA
http://dragonballyee.com/blog
by Albert on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:21:14 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (none / 0)

I'm grassroots. And I'm for Sherrod Brown. He's done more for working people than Paul Hackett ever has.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:38:42 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 1)

Here here.  What a joke.


by Josh Orton on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:39:37 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (none / 0)

BTW, most people may not realize it, but Air America was HUGE in the Special Election.


by blogswarm on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:03:08 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 1)

And the problem with that little nugget is that come November 2006 Air America can't clear it's programming day to concentrate on Ohio.

Hence the real reason the Democrats wanted a contest primary is to get more people invovled, register more new voters and get new donors. Hackett and Brown have different bases and if these bases hang tight in the general, prospects look good for the Dems. If they don't it's pretty ugly.

If Schumer was truly not worried about fundraising, he should have let Hackett run his course. The worst that happens is that Brown cleans Hackett's clock and then Hackett helps him in southern Ohio. Now we have Kerry Lite for an Ohio strategy with no way to break through the "noise" in southern Ohio. Air America has 49 other states and can't replicate their valiant effort from previously. Moreover, that election occured in the low ratings nadir of summer when AA had more freedom to do wall-to-wall coverage on any topic, let alone a special election.

Chances of a Democratic takeover of the Senate are evaporating by the minute.


by risenmessiah on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:32:55 PM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 1)

Why don't you look at the facts before you go off.

Go educate yourself: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2 /14/0135/82714

"To make something clear, Hackett is complaining about betrayal. Yet Rahm was trying to get him to become one of his candidates. In other words, Rahm was recruiting him. That's not a bad thing. That's a flattering thing.

To be clear -- Hackett didn't stand a chance. He had a tenth of Brown's money, and that was before party people allegedly tried to stop Hackett's donors from giving. His field operation in the special election was literally put together and implemented by Dan Lucas. Who is Dan Lucas? Sherrod Brown's campaign manager. Hackett's netroots effort in the special election was put together by Tim Tagaris. And while Tim is now at the DNC, he helped put together Brown's netroots operation.

So it was Brown's people who helped put together the nuts and bolts of Hackett's special election campaign, and they were now working for their boss -- Sherrod Brown.

To be further clear, Brown announced his candidacy before Hackett did. Yes, Reid and Schumer were urging Hackett to run, but he wouldn't commit to running. Labor Day, the traditional announcement day for most candidates, came and went with Hackett refusing to say what his plans were. So after waiting and waiting and waiting, Brown essentially said "fuck it" and got in. It was only after news of Brown's impending announcement were leaked that Hackett decided to commit to the race.

Bottom line? Hackett didn't stand a chance, he wasn't backstabbed by his party since Brown's candidacy was announced before his was (if he'd only committed sooner, Brown might've stayed out), and the party wasn't out to screw him, they were out to get him to run in the House."

-kos


by zt155 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:44:09 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (none / 0)

I don't buy it.


by Josh Orton on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:52:54 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 1)

That's bullshit, and Kos should know it.

Rahm wasn't begging him to run in OH-02 to get a candidate there. He was paying back his buddy Sherrod Brown. Maybe Brown will pay up the money he owes now. When Hackett lost the special, Rahm was not begging him to run in '06. He didn't think Hackett could win the first time.

Kos and Jerome can tell this little fairytale about Brown setting up Hackett's whole campaign, but the bloggers onb teh ground there, i.e. OH-02 blog Editor and Bob Brigham don't buy it and neither should you.

This is a dirty DC insider deal and not respectable blogger should put theri stamp of approval on it. I'm sorry now that I shelled out money for Kos's book. He's clearly given up crashing gates.


by dantheman on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:27:14 AM EST
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Re: To ask him to run in a a NO WIN DISTRICT! (3.00 / 2)

Why in the world would Hackett run again in a district that IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY DEMOCRAT TO WIN!

Hackett was done with sybolisms & making a statement. He has been there, done that.

For Rahm & Chuck to make it come out that they were doing Paul a FAVOR? FUCK THAT!

All they had to do was Allow a primary & let the best man win. Was that so hard that you had to arm wrestle Hackett.

IF YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT & YOU DO NOT SEE HOW BIG OF A LOSS HACKETT IS FOR FUTURE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW TO WIN !


by fightingLadyinblue on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:01:44 AM EST
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I disagree -- (3.00 / 2)

Schumer may have pressured Hackett to drop out, but the decision is Paul Hackett's to make.

And even more to the point, saying he's dropping out of politics is both impulsive and unwise.

Reconsider, Paul -- there are lot's of opportunities in Ohio!


by ck on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:48:49 AM EST
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Re: I disagree -- (3.00 / 3)

it seems to me some of you have to realize that you can't have it both ways. you can't kick a man in the nuts and tell him well get over it cause you are on my team. Maybe some of us aren't in this for the team. Maybe it's because we want to see a bit of character and in the process a change of politics as usual whether that person is on the left or to the center of the party.


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:56:38 AM EST
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Re: I disagree -- (1.40 / 5)

Doesn't seem to be much character to pull a hissy fit and say you are out of politics for good now.

No one forced Hackett to quit the race.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:43:29 AM EST
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Casey is up double digits on Santorum (none / 0)

...and yet you whine.

Would you prefer Santorum to Casey?


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:11:52 AM EST
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Re: Casey is up double digits on Santorum (none / 0)

my thoughts exactly.

I was a Dean supporter. But when he got dragged through the mud I didn't decide to support Bush in the general election. And I didn't decide to not vote or help out the party either.

Politics means something folks. This is rooting for one sports team over another.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:52:45 AM EST
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Re: Casey is up double digits on Santorum (none / 0)

you'd rather another CT Joe? no, actually, Casey is worse.
--
Albert Yee
Philadelphia, PA
http://dragonballyee.com/blog
by Albert on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:37:16 AM EST
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Re: Casey is up double digits on Santorum (none / 0)

Except in Ohio, they kicked out the more moderate candidate to let the progressive have the clean shot. Go figure.


by Adam B on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:08:35 AM EST
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Re: Fuck Chuck Schumer (3.00 / 1)

Schumer is also backing Suozzi in the primary against Elliot Spitzer here in New York. Are you kidding me?

Fucking moron.

My automatic vote for his re-election just went Green.


by Tod Westlake on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:28:09 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 6)

Absolutely inexcusable. A disgraceful failure on the part of the Democratic leadership. This is a stain on Dean, Schumer, Emmanuel, and everyone else in the leadership. What a disgusting display of ineptitude, classlessness, and downright idiocy. I wasn't a Hackett supporter or a Brown supporter, I saw it as win-win for Ohio Democrats and the national party. Now, we have blown it.


"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America"- Bill Clinton
by bluenc on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:00:12 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 3)

exactly. if this was played well by both candidates, it wouldn't have mattered who ultimately won. now it's totally blown and the race is going to be about Democratic ineptitude.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:19:34 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

If this is where it is, the Democrats have just kissed their asses good bye.

And I got news for the new Chair Mr. Redfern.  If this is your idea of bringing in the grassroots, you just poured weed killer all over them.

You all have just made the ultimate, serious mistake.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:01:35 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 5)

Oh my dear God, what a horrible way for things to wind up for Hackett. I have a few immediate thoughts about this.

1. Kos is right: "Sherrod Brown better win this."

2. What a crappy way for the establishment to be treating talent they really ought to be nurturing.

3. Hackett ought to realize that, in leaving politics, he's selling out a whole lot of folks around the country who believe in him and what he represents.

4. From the start, the whole Ohio Senate race has been a mess. I'd say that things like this only happen to Democrats, but... Jeanine Pirro isn't a Democrat.

5. I hope Hackett's supporters realize this means they need to get more engaged in Democratic Party politics, not less. There are ample opportunities to take over the party, and they really ought to be taken advantage of.


by Scott Shields on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:07:19 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Re: #1 ... That was Adam B at dKos, not Kos. Doesn't matter -- I still agree with the sentiment and am relatively confident that he will.


by Scott Shields on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:12:03 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

"5. I hope Hackett's supporters realize this means they need to get more engaged in Democratic Party politics, not less. There are ample opportunities to take over the party, and they really ought to be taken advantage of."

Yeah, Scott, all those Reagan Democrats who've voted GOP since 1980 but were crossing back in droves for Hackett, they're really interested in taking over the party.

This was about changing attitudes, moving the f'in' needle. But it ain't no more.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:53:11 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I'm talking about Hackett's supporters, not his voters. You know there's a difference.

Anyway, I think everyone's too damn angry to understand what I'm saying here. I want Hackett back in politics for the same reason you do -- that he brings new people to the table. I wasn't against a contested primary. I'm not happy about the way things went down. The Democratic Party has done a million stupid things, and I refuse to jump ship over this, of all things.


by Scott Shields on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:21:51 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Scott,

At what point do we stop enabling stupidity and allow the DSCC/DCCC/DLC to hit bottom and wake up to their errors?  If not now, when? If not here, where?  If not us, who?

I am sick to death of the DC establishment shooting themselves in the foot (and us in the ass) time after time after time only to be told each time, "don't leave, we need you! We're all you've got!"

Bullshit.

They think they can't win with us, they need to learn they can't win WITHOUT us.


by sjs1959 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:46:17 PM EST
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Dropping out (none / 0)

I don't think he'll drop out of politics alltogether. It's hard to stay away unless you've been really badly burned or are totally burnt out. While I'm sure he's pissed (and rightly so) about this pressure, it doesn't strike me as the kind of thing that would totally turn the man off.

On the other hand, I'll bet the next thing he does will be targeted to knock someone's block off.


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:12:12 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (2.33 / 3)

3. Hackett ought to realize that, in leaving politics, he's selling out a whole lot of folks around the country who believe in him and what he represents.

4. From the start, the whole Ohio Senate race has been a mess. I'd say that things like this only happen to Democrats, but... Jeanine Pirro isn't a Democrat.

5. I hope Hackett's supporters realize this means they need to get more engaged in Democratic Party politics, not less. There are ample opportunities to take over the party, and they really ought to be taken advantage of.

WRONG!!!

BROWN WILL NOT WIN

3.  The Dem's did this, not Hackett.  The only sell outs are the ones that claimed they were Dem's and they played such dirty games and tactics.  

4. The Ohio Race only got messy when Sherrod Brown Saw Poll Numbers showing Paul Hackett winning in a match up to DeWine and decided to get in the race 2 months after saying he wouldn't seek it.

5.  I will be working opposite these Dems.  They never seem to learn.  They keep making these same mistakes and the last time we fell in line for them when they squeezed out the CORRECT guy, their guy FAILED again.  No more getting our vote when it's not earned.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:16:57 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

bitterness isn't especially practical.  Brown is better than DeWine, sad though it may be. Working "opposite these Dems" means what? that you're switching parties?


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:22:22 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

3. You know what I meant there. By quitting politics, Hackett is turning his back on his supporters.

4. How is that in refutation to what I wrote?

5. You're going to work for Mike DeWine? My point is that if you're losing a fight, you either need to fight harder, fight smarter, or some combination thereof. You're never going to win if you turn your back and walk away from the fight.


by Scott Shields on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:32:10 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

And again, the moronic "carrot and the carrot" approach. Let me ask you something, if someone bends you over desk against your will...is your solution to make sure you dress sexier for the next time you encounter them?


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:25:00 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

What a perfect metaphor! There are two Democratic Parties. There are the voters, who are looking for justice and leadership. And there is the professional political establishment who are only concerned with preserving their own power and wealth. For their own aggrandizement they sell out their constituents and keep the keys to the kingdom locked up. They talk of democracy but are afraid of a stand up choice by the voters so they stack the deck against people like Hackett and Cegelis.

They are indeed bending us over the table and yelling,"Do it better bitch!"  And those who say that it only matters if a Dem wins are like women in an abusive relationship who resolve to not make him angry again.


by antiHyde on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:40:51 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

It's easy to say that he's "selling out" his supporters, but it wasn't YOU who was double-crossed so egregiously.  If I were him, I would have told the Dems to F-off too.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:17:44 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

You're right. It wasn't me who was double-crossed. But it also wasn't Hackett's numerous grassroots Democratic supporters who double-crossed him, either. Chuck Schumer isn't the one Hackett's hurting by leaving the party. That's all I'm saying.


by Scott Shields on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:27:56 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

I was an online supporter- and I got to say I am with Hackett with this. At this point, I think the only thing that will shock the Democrats back into reality is to let those in charge fail completely so that they don't have anyone to blame but themselves. The efforts to convince people "hey it's not the crazy left" who is saying these things, but moderates, and left of center of types as well, has gotten old. I was flirting with getting involved with Democratic politics after spending a lot of years being apolitical- but this last year has been a reminder of why I am not meant to be doing more than voting Democratic. Namely, the party will take a generation to fix. My guess- and here's my real concern for your chances of winning- is how many people who are frustrated with the status quo does Hackett represent?


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:34:37 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

The one issue that is VERY important in Ohio that Hackett had over Brown was being pro-gun.  In fact, Hackett could have received a coveted endorsement from the NRA (very important in Ohio).  But, alas, DeWine is preferable to Brown for many of these gun owners, whereas they could have voted for a guy like Hackett.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:54:11 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

For me, this wasn't about brown or hackett- so much as a change of direction. I think the party will lose again this fall. I am not great political scholar- I just feel this based on the choices we are making. They are all too safe, too much emphasis on staying the course that will allow the Republicans to play us. The thing is- we often think the Republicans are brillian in the form of guys like Luntz and Rove. it's not so much they are brilliant, as much as we are a predictable foe. It's easy to win a war when you know every move your opponent will make before he makes it. I dont want to use war metaphors, but I think they apply here. I look at the Democrats- and I can't imagine any of them truly surprising anyone with strategy. For the 50 state strategy to work- for example- I would think would require fielding unpredictable candidates that Republicans can not easily brand. The idea- that scandal alone will win in Ohio seems dumb- at least if anyone has listened or read what Republican leaning voters int eh state have said. I have read some of the reports, and they all seem to suggest the scandal is not enough.


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:02:59 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I don't think you've heard Sherrod Brown.
He's not really a "DC Democrat"

I understand people are frustrated by the way this happened, and I really expected there to be a hard fought primary and whoever won I would support (even though I came in as a Brown supporter). But this is life folks. Shit happens. And now that Hackett is out, it's time to see what kind of senator Sherrod Brown would make.

The blogosphere loves Russ Feingold right? Well Sherrod is A LOT like Russ Feingold. Everyone needs to put personal loyalties aside and look at what Sherrod will do for the movement (i.e. creating a progressive, egalitarian society).

That is what we're in this for isn't it? It's not just hero worship or the cult of personality is it? Because if it is, I think people should rethink why they're involved in this fight.

I can understand being really really pissed if the party was backing a Joe Lieberman or someone who has no political skills. But that is not the case here. We could have one of the best Democratic senators EVER if Brown is elected. So you can stand up and work for a better country or you can sit in the mud and cry.

Which is better for our country?
 


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:56:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

You MISS THE POINT.

Sherrod Brown is a good guy, no one is arguing that; this is about HOW THE WASHINGTON DEMOCRATIC PARTY TREATS NEWCOMERS.

This is about crushing the netroots and telling them to get in line.  If Sherrod Brown couldn't beat Hackett in a primary, how the hell could he beat DeWine in the general???

FUCK THE DSCC.


by sjs1959 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:31:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

So your going to punish the state of Ohio and the working families that Sherrod would fight for because the DSCC doesn't take "the netroots" seriously enough?

Sounds a little petty to me.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:55:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

you can choose to ignore the real point at your peril. for me, honestly i dont think who wins matters


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:57:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Integrity (none / 0)

eom


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:39:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

What did the primary numbers between Hackett and Brown look like?


by falcon4e on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:01:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Scott, Scott, Scott (3.00 / 2)

Scott, Scott, Scott.

PLEASE. it is very easy for you as a NJ blogger to be accusing Hackett of abandoning his supporters.

Where you the one who spent hours making a decision with your wife & young children whether to run? Where you there when Hackett went around Ohio on a trailer?

Where you the one who was travelling across Ohio? Where you the one who received repeated phone calls of encouragement from Chuck Schumer & Harry Reid?

Where you there when Sherrod Brown said eye to eye that he was not running.

PLEASE SCOTT! The wounds are very fresh! You cannot blame nor should you even try to start questioning Hacket supporters on the anger that they feel.


by fightingLadyinblue on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:10:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Scott, Scott, Scott (3.00 / 2)

I'm not accusing Hackett of anything. He's said he's quitting politics. I think that's lame and I hope he reconsiders.

How is it any easier for me "as a NJ blogger" to say any of this stuff? You don't know what kind of obstacles I've faced in my life one way or the other. We've all come up against things like this in our lives, where the entire power structure (political or otherwise) is up against us. And, based on the situation, you can choose whether to tough it out or pull out. Hackett's pulling out. That's not an accusation or an opinion, that's a fact.

Like I said, I don't like the way this all went down. But I think it's beat for Hackett to talk about leaving politics. There are a lot of people who support him and if he does quit politics altogether, he's leaving them high and dry. I say this not as a critic, but as a fan.

And I don't buy into this sob story about the mean ol' Democrats. He's Paul Hackett, for pete's sake! He can take it! Look at Howard Dean, for example. When he didn't win in the primaries, he carried on and did something constructive with his support. He didn't move back to Vermont and quit politics, and he was treated far worse than Hackett. Dean's now the leader of the Democratic Party.


by Scott Shields on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:42:42 AM EST
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Re: Scott, Scott, Scott (none / 0)

Scott you made me want to get out of my chair and scream hallelujahs with this post.

EXACTLY!

It'd be wonderful if you put this comment into an entry on the front page. The Dean comparison I think should really get through to people that are understandably frustrated and upset right now and think it's alright to quit and go home.

They're not hurting just harry reid and chuck schumer by doing that. They hurt working people, they hurt the environment, they hurt the poor and the sick. Because everyday the republicans are in charge, we sink a little further. And we can't lose sight of what we're (supposedly) all fighting for: a progressive, egalitarian, ecologically sound society.  


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:50:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Not only is this totally fucked up, but I'm loving the patronizing "get over it" comments being made on that Kos thread. Consider all obligatory Who quotes as made.

THIS should get interesting, though: Hackett's the Weekly Guest Blogger at TPMCafe's Table for One this week. Ooosp.

http://tableforone.tpmcafe.com/


by tatere on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:13:38 AM EST

Democrats=Doublecrossers (3.00 / 2)

I sure hope that the free-for-all to kiss Sherrod Brown's behind was worth it to the national Democrats who have just taken a rising star Dem and threw him down the drain.  The GOP is smarter than that.  They would have embraced him instead.

Btw, for Emmanuel and Schumer to coax the man into the race when they had no one running, only to DUMP him once God, er, Sherrod Brown entered the race.  Wow, that is disgraceful.  Talk about doublecrossing.

Brown will not and CANNOT beat DeWine.  There goes our shot at the Senate.  Brown will NOT be getting a dime from me (and I am one of the few around here that actually gives money) because he has no courage.  This isn't about issues or Brown not being ideologically pure.  It's about decency.

He waited until the perfect scenario to "risk" his current House seat to run for the Senate.  And who the hell is he to expect a red carpet roll out when he decides to get off his ass, screwing over Hackett in the process.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:15:37 AM EST

Re: Democrats=Doublecrossers (none / 0)

Didn't Hackett bow out? If anyone is flushing it down the drain it's him..


by falcon4e on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:02:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hackett - Brown (3.00 / 5)

1) Paul Hackett is only finished as a Democrat in Ohio if Hackett wants to be finished. He'll have supporters in the Democratic Party waiting on him when he decides to return. I hope he returns. His post today over at TPM Cafe was typical straight talk that more of America needs to hear. I hope he stays involved and stays in the party.

2) Sherrod Brown is infinitely better than Mike DeWine and will be a more progressive Senator than many Democrats currently in office. We as Democrats all need to make sure he is elected.


by Curt Matlock on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:21:09 AM EST

Re: Hackett - Brown (none / 0)

Trying to slap lip stick on a pig . .. Backstabbing leaves a bad taste.


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:35:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett - Brown (none / 0)

Yes it does. I can't blame Hackett for being steamed. Yet I also believe that when you go for a Senate seat, one of the most powerful positions in the United States, that you'd better be ready to play rough and tumble politics.

Having said that, as a party it needs to be about more than power politics. Hackett is someone we need and is someone who has a dedicated following of activists. For the party to not get behind him is foolish and speaks poorly of the Democratic leadership as a whole.


by Curt Matlock on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:17:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Exactly (none / 0)

Great post Curt.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:13:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If Brown Loses... (3.00 / 0)

Will Jerome, Schumer, Reid and Redfern all apologize?

I'm not hoping for it (well, maybe for a minute after I read the news). But Brown has an uphill climb.

Isn't the point of avoiding a primary avoiding allientating part of the base?

Didn't the Dem insiders just accomplish that in a single stroke?


by dantheman on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:24:36 AM EST

Re: If Brown Loses... (3.00 / 1)

No, they'll blame the netroots for not supporting them enough.


Editor
Ohio 2nd Blog
by ignatzmouse on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:37:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

They can blame who ever they want.. (none / 0)

That seems to be all the Dem's can do.  

But as they have so carefully pointed out, they are the ones IN CHARGE of our PARTY, just like Begala hi-fiving when the results came in on Iowa Presidential caucus.  They can fully accept responsibility for the way things are.  MMM, something to aspire to.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:33:49 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

As pointed out at/by kos, Hackett's campaign was put together by Brown's people who are back working for Brown, Hackett was way behind in money before the supposed sabatoge, and Brown actually entered the race before Hackett. I'm not gonna get too upset about this except for the recognition that half the networld is about to pitch an incredible fit over the terrible injustice of it all.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:30:32 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

and the fact that Hacket's potential donors were being called up by the party leadership has nothing to do with his money drying up?


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:36:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

He was already down by a huge margin before that.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:35:23 AM EST
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Uh...no (3.00 / 1)

Cash on hand yes, primarilly due to Brown having accumulated a huge warchest safely sitting is his seat, too afraid to run for higher office until it was almost a shoe-in.

But in fundraising numbers they came our near even...which actually really hurt Brown. The Ohio papers were having a field day with a long time playa being unable to beat Hackett in fundraising.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:48:41 AM EST
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Re: Uh...no (none / 0)

I disagree but it really doesn't matter at this point. I never thought that Hackett was the Jesus of the party like so many people and I'm not particularly heartbroken (nor pleased mind you) to see him leave. It wasn't the most elegant way out, but I also don't think that, aside from the efforts to undercut his fundraising (which is ugly), trying to get the two biggest democratic names in Ohio to go after DIFFERENT Republicans is such an evil thing.  Paul Hackett taking his ball and going home says a lot about his character also, even if people don't want to admit it right now.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:06:21 PM EST
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Re: Uh...no (none / 0)

Yeah, it says he has a sense of pride and integrity. You do know that by running, Brown is basically handing his seat to the Reps, right?

So much for the vaunted "two seats" canard.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:32:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

Hackett raised as much as Brown in the 4th Quarter, despite the backstabbing and lacking Brown's connections to DC lobbyists.

He would the Barrack Obama of 2006.


by dantheman on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:30:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I think Hackett's showing in the House race was hardly because of the "campaign . . . put together by Brown's people."  They may have helped to alert the netroots about what Hackett was saying and that helped him to get him some money, but if he was a dud he wouldn't have gotten close.  People respond to the candidate and all the consultants in the world can't make up for a dud candidate (and I say that as a former field organizer and current Democratic fundraiser).  The reason Sen. Obama won is that he's a compelling candidate, not because he had great consultants.  Hackett seemed to me to be that sort of candidate as well.  I'm disappointed that the DNC forced him out.


by Flatiron Dante on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:24:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Obviously the government is being overrun with people who had great ideas but poorly funded and poorly run campaigns. I don't know how I forgot that.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:36:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

A good consultant can help to optimize a candidate's strength (and a bad one can definitely tank an otherwise winnable race), but to imply that the main reason anyone has heard of Hackett is because two guys who worked for some Congressman deigned to pluck him out of obscurity seems a stretch.  How many races did Carville lose before he worked for Clinton?  And I think of him as one of the best consultants of the last 20 years, but even he's no miracle worker.  Yes, the Harris Wofford race was close enough that the consultants and campaign operatives may have made the difference (and I think they did), but that's the exception that proves the rule that consultants if they're moderately competent matter at most at the margins (though I can think of a number of races where the consultants were so bad they lost otherwise winnable races).  One way to tell who's for real and who got lucky is to follow the consultants to their next gig and see how well they do there with more ordinary talent.


by Flatiron Dante on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:27:40 PM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

Kos doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Hackett had a solid campaign long before a few Brown people waltzed on down.

As for their netroots contributions, Brown's people came down there looking for people to recruit for Brown's Senate bid. Hackett's team built Hackett's run. Brown just tried to take credit for it.


Editor
Ohio 2nd Blog
by ignatzmouse on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:42:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

What are Schumer, Emmanuel and Reid afraid of in a primary? Why not let these guys compete and see who has more support?

These types of backroom political machinations led by the Dems loser consultants is why the Dems are a minority party and at this rate will be a permanent minority. The Dems leadership spend way too much time on triangulation and process and way to little time standing up with courage and fighting the Repubs.

So what's next force Ned Lamont to withdraw against Loserman?


by ab initio on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:36:49 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 6)

Calm down, take a step back and think about the purpose of politics: as Paul Wellstone said, the improvement of people's lives.

Paul Hackett's obviously an admirable guy, and he ran a heckuva campaign in OH-02. He nearly won that race in part because the netroots swooned over him, but also because Sherrod Brown's people ran his ground game.

Brown stands to the left of Hackett on probably everything, he's a genuine progressive who actually has experience legislating, and he's apparently the core of the Ohio progressive network, what there is of it.

Brown was our best chance to win this seat in every poll, from what I saw, when we thought we had a contested primary. Hackett has far less name rec among people who don't read political blogs, and less access to the Ohio ground game machine, and less experience (does he have any?) working with communities of color, who need to turn out in an off-year election for Dems to win a close race, than Brown.

If I had been working for the Ohio Dem party, or for any other organization that tries to get Republicans out of power, I would have tried to convince Hackett to drop out of the Senate race and run for OH-02.

He could, and should, run for state or local office if he wants to stay in politics. And I hope he does.

But for him to pick up his marbles and go home because the folks who actually see the numbers rightly think our best chance of winning the seat is to avoid giving Brown a primary... well, I'll just say I now have doubts about Hackett's ability to pass legislation, should he ever find himself elected to a legislative body.

And yes, Brown better win it.


by accommodatingly on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:53:49 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 3)

prediction: brown won't win. I predict also that as of now we won't win congress - simply based on the approach of being too safe that the democreats are taking. It smells of Kerry 2004


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:05:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I'm not happy Hackett got bigfooted.  I gave him money last time around.

But in the end I'm with kos on this one.  

What's more, Hackett's chip-on-the-shoulder reaction, which we have loved him for in other circumstances, is not serving him well tonight, even if his ire is understandable.

I hope he runs against Schmidt.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:07:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, that's just dandy you're with Kos (none / 0)

on this one.

Maybe you'll both be able to cry together asking why you let your heads swell so much to sell out the very thing you were pointing out was wrong with the Republicans.

They did just lose the midterm.  This was a very big mistake made by them.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:25:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well, that's just dandy you're with Kos (none / 0)

Actually the very thing that is wrong with republicans is that they are creating a corporatist regressive oligarchical state that only serves to further the interests of the rich and powerful while grinding the working class and the environment into the ground.

Don't think Sherrod Brown stands for that. But you will if you skip town and let the republicans win. And please no copping out with, "they've already won now that Hackett is gone."

that's bullshit. Do you want change in this country to make it a progressive society or do you want to hero-worship? If you want change then suck it up and maybe actually look at what Sherrod Brown fights for. You might even like what he stands for.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:36:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

An impressive deconstrcuction (none / 0)

in a few short lines.


by Teaser on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:54:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: An impressive deconstrcuction (none / 0)

Thanks,

Now if we can only get the DNC to realize that republicans can be boiled down to that, we'll be sittin' pretty.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:06:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

An impressive deconstrcuction (none / 0)

in a few short lines.


by Teaser on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:54:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well, that's just dandy you're with Kos (none / 0)

In other words, "look peon, either do what I say, or I'll have Bruno down the block on you. And you know he's meaner than I am."

This sort of blackmail is so over.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:51:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 0)

Hackett couldnt run for OH02:

Mr. Hackett said he was unwilling to run for the Congressional seat because he had given his word to three Democratic candidates that he would not enter that race.

"The party keeps saying for me not to worry about those promises because in politics they are broken all the time," said Mr. Hackett, who plans to return to his practice as a lawyer in the Cincinnati area. "I don't work that way. My word is my bond."


by Winston Smith on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:51:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (2.00 / 1)

Really classy.

Do you really think the party said,

"The party keeps saying for me not to worry about those promises because in politics they are broken all the time," ?

So you're pissed Mr. Hackett, I understand that. So you'd rather drag the entire state of Ohio down with you and sabotage Sherrod Brown? I don't get it.

Do you think that food stamp bill would have passed if there was a democratic senate? How about the 50 billion in capital gains tax cuts? So you're hurt Mr. Hackett, that's fine. But do you need to hurt the rest of the country by keeping republicans in power?


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:05:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics (none / 0)

Now is not the time to fight. The netroots are the reason that Paul Hackett came so close last summer and the netroots can get him into the Ohio Second race. I think that everyone should contact Hackett as ask for him to enter the race. Also, contact the candidates who are currently in the race and ask them to tell Hackett that they would step aside for him. The candidates in that race are not part of the party establishment and they probably understand how  important it is for Hackett to reach Congress so they may defer to him. We only have two days; fighting and cursing about Hackett's Senate decision will not do anything productive. The Hotline, a non-partisan political newsletter gives him a better than fifty percent chance to win this race, and with the help of the grassroots, he will win it. An overwhelming show of support is what is needed so everyone should stop yelling online and start emailing and making phone calls.  


by SwarthmoreDem on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:11:15 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I was initially outraged at the party "establishment".

But kos' explanation makes me think that he really should consider running for OH-2. I think he'd be an asset to have around.

In any event, the calling donors part was disgraceful (if true; it probably is).


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:17:31 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

I have no opinion on the Ohio race. What I do know is that no one candidate matters more than the PARTY taking back Congress. For executive offices the individual matters but in a legislative body it is which party controls the levers of power (and investigation) that matters. Perhaps Hackett would have been the better candidate; if so, I'm sorry he dropped out. But anyone who decides to walk away because Hackett isn't running has a seriously skewed set of priorities. Personally, I'd vote for a cup of slime mold if it would wrest control of Congress from the GOP.


by tdraicer on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:30:34 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

Wrest control of Congress with a bunch of wimps! None of these Dems leaders have the balls to stand up and fight. They are so worried about being in the "center" when the MyDD poll showed clearly there is no center. The Repubs base hangs in even when Bush has FUBARed everything, why because their leaders play to their base. The Dems do the opposite. Run away from their base. And when strong candidates come along they scheme to get them out. What was the issue in a contested primary. If Brown had more money and a better organization he would have won. Hackett would have been defeated fair and square. The crticism that I have is that a bunch of guys in DC who have lost election after election and have zero track record of success feel they know better than the Dems primary voters in Ohio. That's why the Dems continue to get whipped by the Repubs despite all their screwups.


by ab initio on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:50:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It matters taking back CONGRESS? (none / 0)

For WHO?  The people like Reid and Schumer voting AGAINST OUR INTERESTS and VALUES.

NO THANKS.  They deserve their demise.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:08:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It matters taking back CONGRESS? (none / 0)

Brown is a progressive and he votes that way.


by Curt Matlock on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:40:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It matters taking back CONGRESS? (none / 0)

Their demise.. is our demise. I don't like the prospect of having an even higher majority for the GOP in Congress.


by falcon4e on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:05:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

Some food for thought:

Brown had a huge money lead over Hackett.
Recent polls showed Brown crushing Hackett in the primary, and both of them doing equally well against DeWine.
I hear people bitching about how our leaders abandon true progressives in favor of the safe candidate.  Well, I challenge anyone to find a more dedicated progressive than Brown.  He ain't exactly Joe Lieberman.  People like to say Hackett is a fighter- they should watch Brown fight against things like CAFTA, the Iraq War, and the Medicare prescription drug debacle.


by TommyBoy on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:55:24 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

OOPS, too late.  YOu had him.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:06:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

The choice rightfully belongs to us, the voters of Ohio.  It does not belong to Schumer and Reid.  I do not want candidates who are annointed and appointed by the Democratic leadership.  My vote was never intended to be a rubberstamp of the Democratic leadership, but an expression of my own choice.

And I guess I have skewed priorities.  Because everytime we go along and vote for a candidate just because he/she is a Democrat we affirm and sanction just the kind of action we saw against Paul Hackett and against Cegelis.


by SusanD on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:58:08 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (1.50 / 2)

Paul Hackett is a great and honorable man, with enormous contributions to the country and to Ohio.

But in my first post on MyDD, allow me to go against the grain: His departure from the OH SEN primary is a good thing and his failure to run in OH 02 is the true betrayal here.

We have a chance at two OH pickups, if he runs against Mean Jean in OH 02. With fresh evidence of just how Mean she is given her outburst against Congressman Murtha, Hackett is uniquely positioned to kick her out. But he refuses? And for this refusal, he gets our sympathies?

Regardless of the timeline of events that got Brown into the race, Hackett was the only Dem who can run in OH 02 and make it a race.  He should have done so.

I am sad for his departure from politics, if it holds true. I wish he would run as a Dem in OH 02 and win that seat. But it doesn't look like he will.  And now Paul Hackett has hurt the very party for which he claimed to be fighting.


"for with a country, as with a person, what is a man profited if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" ...lbj
by JasonCGW on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 03:35:26 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

You may be right, Jason, but my first reaction as a non-Ohioan on seeing this headline was Oh Crap. Hackett was one of the few promising, electrifying new voices to come along for the Dems in long time. Evidence that there was still some life in the moribund, walking corpse after all. This kind of person, lightning rod though he may be, can electrify a whole party and give it a rejuvenated view of itself. Instead, it looks like rigor mortis is setting in for real and our chances of a genuine overturn in 2006 are suffocating under the weight of conventional thinking and consultant-swaddled, play-it-safe, please please please don't let's offend anyone leadership.


by DrBB on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 07:27:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Look, Sherrod is not chopped liver.

His district ain't the most liberal in the world, and yet he wins it by huge margins every time. Why?
Because working people know that he fights for them. So even though he's pro-choice and for reasonable restrictions on weapons, and doesn't support Bush EVER, people still vote for him because they he fights the rich and powerful.

Who was the first guy in the fight to stop media consolidation? Sherrod Brown. That was way back when move-on.org was just getting started (2002), and most people had never even heard of a blog.

He'll fight for what's important. And we should be too. Fighting for a progressive country, not for a cult of personality.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:13:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

OH ANOTHER SHERROD PROPAGANDIST (3.00 / 1)

BETRAY BY PAUL HACKETT, for HAVING THE DIRTY TRICKS BEING PLAYED ON HIM BY THE INSIDERS?

Come on Jason...you really are Karl Rove, right?  You mean like it's Whittinger's fault for Cheney shooting him?  Oh...how Republican.

THERE ARE ALREADY 5 CANDIDATES IN THE 02 DISTRICT CONGRESSIONAL RACE YOU IDIOT. UNLIKE SHERROD BROWN, PAUL HACKETT KEEPS HIS WORD TO THOSE CANDIDATES THAT HE WILL NOT RUN.

YOU"VE GOT BALLS.  GO SHINE YOUR NAILS ELSEWHERE.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:05:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OH ANOTHER SHERROD PROPAGANDIST (none / 0)

LOL.. Since when was politics ever about keeping your word?


by falcon4e on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:07:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OH ANOTHER SHERROD PROPAGANDIST (1.00 / 1)

Well glad to know that the concepts of dissent are alive and well in the Democratic Party. I'm truly honored to belong to a Party where valid, though unpopular ideas, are discussed without resorting to the Republican tactic of vicious name calling.

Oh, right, but you're no longer a Democratic so I guess that doesn't apply.

1. Yes, I really am Karl Rove. I know, I may just appear to be a 23 year old from New Jersey, but no it's true, I'm Karl Rove. How ever did you find out?

2. Which of the currently-declared candidates in OH 02 won 48% of the vote last time?

3. Ohio, like most (all?) states, has a primary filing deadline. That means that until that filing deadline, anyone can run for any office, providing they follow the apporpriate rules. Paul Hackett should've never provided "his word" that he was going to run but, until that filing deadline passes, he has every legal right to run. He should  do so.

4. If you are no longer Democrats "because of this," then I'm sorry to hear that. You should remain a Democratic and realize what's truly at stake here: an alligence to Paul Hackett, who just took himself out of the running to help this country, or supporting the only Party that even has the chance to do so.

5. Happy Valentine's Day.


"for with a country, as with a person, what is a man profited if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" ...lbj
by JasonCGW on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:09:30 PM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

This is sick. We should start a bring Hackett back blog?

Anyone up for it?


by saurabhgupta on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:05:12 AM EST

sorry to hear that (none / 0)

Then you might as well join the republicans. Because this is exactly what they want. They want all social justice to be in the form of private charity. Because that way, they know very little actually ever changes. If you want real social justice, then you have to work through the only entity that can marshall 2 TRILLION dollars a YEAR.

Ain't no soup kitchen that's got that much power.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:16:42 AM EST

Re: sorry to hear that (none / 0)

Yeah but the republicans are the ones benefitting from it.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:30:05 AM EST
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Re: sorry to hear that (3.00 / 1)

But the Dem's in office are the ones to blame for it.  They NEVER seem to learn.  WHAT THE HELL DID THEY DO, Borrow the DLC PResidential handbook of 00 and 04?

No more falling in line.  Sorry, I have a brain.  I'm not a sheep.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:35:39 AM EST
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Re: sorry to hear that (none / 0)

But you are being a sheep. You are falling in line with the republicans. What do you think would make them happier? People dropping out and not working to get a true progressive elected to the senate, or actually working to get Brown elected, someone who stands up to the corporate machine and this neo-liberal sickness that is overtaking the world?

Which senator would do more for the poor, the sick, the environment, the state and country as a whole? DeWine or Brown?

Brown is the anti-DLC. Give the man a shot.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:43:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

I'll promise Hackett my home savings if he runs as a Independent.  Right here right now.  Paul, you'll get flooded with donations if you run as an Inde'.

Because as of today, my husband and I are no longer Democrats.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:28:29 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Thanks for effectively voting for Bush and the war.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:45:53 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

You mean most Democrats in leadership roels in the senate voted against the war?

Please, I'm all ears. Tell us about this.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:29:08 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Running as an indy would be irresponsible and stupid. The split vote would kill any Democratic chances. I think the way Hackett was treated sucks but I'll be dang if I am going to advocate the equivalent of campaign suicide over it.


by Romberry on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:55:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Crypto-Christians Sellout Democracy Again. (none / 0)

This sin was wrought by the anti-Christ, crypto-Cristian, neocon worshipers of the God of Riches. The evil barons (the Democratic wing, in this case) made damn sure that Brown had the money. So their God was on his side. Pure and simple.

American Heritage® Dictionary

NOUN:    1. Bible Riches, avarice, and worldly gain personified as a false god in the New Testament. 2. often mammon Material wealth regarded as having an evil influence.

ETYMOLOGY:    Middle English, from Late Latin mammon, from Greek mamns, from Aramaic mmon, riches, probably from Mishnaic Hebrew mmôn. See mn in Appendix II.

It ALL begins and ends with the God of Mammon. Anti-Christ. CRYPTO-CHRISTIANS.


by blues on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:41:53 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 0)

Nothing to say here other than I'm honestly shocked.  In the old days, this stuff would have been confined to the state.  This is not the old days anymore, the world has changed.  


by howardpark on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:42:00 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

Democrats in Ohio were surprised that Brown entered the race because the congressman had earlier indicated he was unlikely to run, said Brian Rothenberg, communications director for the Ohio Democratic Party.

Among those caught off-guard was Paul Hackett (D), the Iraq war veteran who had formally announced his own Senate bid two days earlier.

Hackett's campaign manager, David Woodruff, said Hackett entered the race with the expectation that he would not face a primary.

Woodruff noted that leading Democrats, including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), had urged Hackett to run.

"Their wives called Mrs. Hackett," Woodruff said.

Woodruff hinted that Democratic leaders in Washington should encourage Brown to exit the race.

"What they told me was they did not seek Sherrod Brown to run for U.S. Senate," Woodruff said, referring to unnamed Democratic Party officials. "[Brown] came to them. [With] Paul, they came to Paul.

For the idiots from dK's


by S Squirrel on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:32:05 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 2)

Does anyone notice the incongruity of the situation?

People rightly flame the party for being disorganized and lacking in strategic smarts.

Then the party wants a proven candidate to run for statewide office while the newcomer goes for a dictrict, making a coordinated, strategic choice, and gets hammered for it.

You can't have it both ways.  The criticism here of the Hacket situation comes from two sources:

1.  Some people resent the decision and thinks it's stupid strategically.  To me, that's a fair, if arguable point.  I like Steve Gilliard's take on the matter, myself, even if I understand the plan from the party.

2.  Other people resent any party coordination and control.  I call bullshit on those people.  You can't have it both ways.  If you want a coordinated strategy, you have to accept when the structure does not exactly go with what you like.  And in this case, Brown is a super progressive candidate and proven winner, and it's not as if the party was not recruiting Hackett for another race.

I reiterate my point above, made well (albeit less sharply) by Scott and Matt as well:  Hackett is going out on this like a punk.  Dean got treated worse and made new opportunites for himself, because he is more about making a difference than about pushing his own stardom.  If these are Hackett's true colors, then it's better he go now than later.  I say that as one who has sent him money and still hopes he will run against Schmidt.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:44:14 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Blow smoke up someone else's  ....

If you call this smarts, you all deeply screwed.

Sell your propaganda to your sheeple.  We don't buy what we flush here.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:12:55 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Like I said, you can argue the strategy, and call it stupid.

Just don't reject the notion that a national party should attempt to be coordinated.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:27:33 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I'm inclined to disagree with the "whiny" crap and regard the "best shot at beating Dewine" as not relevant. If Brown has all the money (as Kos says), I don't see why anyone should have worried about forcing Hackett from the race. That would have taken care of itself. I don't much believe in the idea that "chosen" Democrats should be free to run in primaries unopposed when they are not the incumbent. PauL Hackett was a breath of fresh air. He was a plain talker. If he's gone for good, I think it's a loss for the party and for us.

As far as "cult of personality" and "putting your faith in one man instead of yourself and participation in the system", isn't that what the leaders who forced Hackett to withdraw are guilty of doing? Perhaps if they really believed in the "system", they'd have kept their noses out and let the "system" and those who believe in it work it all out.


by Romberry on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:45:38 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

You're right. A primary would have been fine.

But it still is whining and counter-productive for the movement for people to say that they're not going to keep fighting now that one man is out of one race. You are helping the republicans that way. That is what they want.

Scott said it best up-thread when he talked about Gov. Dean. He was treated much worse than Hackett, but he didn't pack his bags and go back to being a doctor in Vermont. He's fighting for a cause, not for power, not for an office, and not for ego.

If Hackett really is a breath of fresh air and not just out for his ego, then he should keep fighting for the cause rather than going back to chargin $300 an hour as a lawyer.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:16:34 AM EST
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Contested Primary would be good for party (none / 0)

The primary is the time to fight over our differences, show strength or weaknesses in ideology, and hopefully influence the future of the party.  The general election is the time to unite and fight like hell.  The inside the beltway types don't like contested primaries because they  are riskier and have the potential to erode their own centralized power and are more difficult to predict.  From where we stand, historically, this party needs to have these internal primary fights in Ohio, Maryland, Conn., and elsewhere even if it means losing in 2006.  Change won't come with out internal struggles.  They were wrong to pressure him to quit.


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 09:53:12 AM EST

Re: Contested Primary would be good for party (none / 0)

"The inside the beltway types don't like contested primaries because they  are riskier and have the potential to erode their own centralized power and are more difficult to predict."

No... the 'inside the beltway types' hate them because they're an incredible waste of money, particularly in a state like Ohio that has three major media markets (Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus), as well as mid-sized markets like Dayton, Youngstown and Toledo (which is partially shared with another major media market, Detroit).

As a result, huge amounts of money that could be spent on winning in November end up being blown on a primary fight, which puts the November candidate at a competitive disadvantage against the Republican candidate who, surprise, doesn't have a primary.

I don't have a particular dog in this fight because I'm not from Ohio.  All I care about is having the best-equipped, best-funded candidate who has the best chance of winning against DeWine.  

Either candidate would have been fine in my book (though if it was my state, I would probably prefer Brown by virtue of the fact that he has a perfect or near-perfect labor record, a perfect record on choice and a near-perfect record on the environment).

Regardless, romanticizing primaries is just silly.  

When they can be avoided, they should be.


by Politicalhack06 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:23:52 AM EST
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Re: Contested Primary would be good for party (none / 0)

So who exactly gets to decide which is the better democratic candidate??  You?  Me?  Ried? Emmanual? Shrumer?  

Or the voters on primary day.  

This is a progressive insurgency scraping its way into the room wanting a seat at the table.  


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:48:03 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I am some what releived that Hackett dropped out of the Ohio Senate Race. Ohio Democrats can now focus their attention on defeating Mike DeWine. instead of worrying about a primary between Brown and Hackett. Hackett should follow Patty Wetterling's lead and run for US Congress against Mean Sh!+


by CMBurns on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:00:35 AM EST

ha, ha. Aren't you funny (none / 0)

you what?  Well, you can now kiss the race good bye


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:10:29 AM EST
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Re: ha, ha. Aren't you funny (none / 0)

Why would anyone in their right mind want to give to Brown, who for all his liberal credentials is nothing more than a school bully?

Gimme a break. Don't care which idiot wins in Ohio. Bye bye.


by saurabhgupta on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:13:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hang on there (none / 0)

Politics shouldn't be about cults of personality, and you shouldn't put your faith in one man instead of yourself and participation in the system.

This isn't a cult of personality.  It's about letting the voters decide between Hackett and Brown.  And the fact that someone people took it upon themselves to decide who the voters in Ohio should support.

We're supposed to be all about the Democratic process and part of that process is "the system." How can anyone put their faith in "the system" when "the system" put pressure on a candidate to drop out?

It's Kerry and the "electability" argument all over again.

So are you going to tell me next that "We the people" now just an empty phrase?


by KimPossible on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:06:27 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

This is precisely why I refuse to consider myself a Democrat, and refuse to give to the party.

I call bullshit on tops-down beltway corporate Democrats who refuse to get in line behind a grass-roots candidate who is a proven cross-over progressive, and it'll be a cold day in hell before any democrat of any stripe gets any of my money.

Waiting for a real progressive movement, and willing to wait a long time...

John Redmond


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:07:12 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I like how these bloggers are attacking Hackett -- i.e. MyDD, DailyKOs. Would love to hear how they'd react if in the same position -- first they are asked to join the campaign and then backstabbed by the same people who wanted him to join.

What a joke. Good to be indy these days.


by saurabhgupta on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:09:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

*yawn* (none / 0)

scratches self


by Teaser on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:13:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't need you (none / 0)

We don't need people who "are waiting" for a progressive movement. What, are you waiting for it to fall in your f*ing lap?

You got a lot to learn about social movements. You think Dr. King waited for the movement to come to him? How about going out and making the movement happen.

And you know what, Sherrod Brown is doing that. He is a movement progressive.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:11:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't need you (none / 0)

Now you're comparing your bully to Dr. King?

How much are you getting paid?!


by saurabhgupta on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:14:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Forget these clowns (none / 0)

They just want their li'l personality cult.  Cause they're in luuuuvvv.


by Teaser on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:14:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sherrod is a movement (none / 0)

OY VEY.  Yep, you're right there.  But I don't like to talk dirty.

Unfortunately, Sherrod's movement is of nonparticipation and strong arming.  A Movement of not being heard and having your vote count.  A movment of intimidation and deals.  IF YOU CONSIDER THIS PROGRESSIVE, you must be a Republican.


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:17:12 AM EST
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Re: Sherrod is a movement (none / 0)

<sigh>

No Linda. This whole thing sucks, but Sherrod is not the gestapo. Let's get a little perspective here.
go check out growohio.org (you probably did during the Hackett race). Go check out Sherrod's website. Don't look at what Sherrod says he WILL do. Look at what he HAS done. All his time in public office he has fought for working people. Look at his progressive scorecard.

He will be a senator in the mold of Russ Feingold, Paul Wellstone, Bob LaFollette, and <hopefully> Bernie Sanders. This is not the end of the world. The movement does not die with one person.

And by the way, the reason I support Sherrod Brown is that I know that he fights for the working class. I have followed him for a few years now, before Paul Hackett even thought about politics (and thought the war was OK). Sherrod fights for things that most politicians don't even think about. We probably wouldn't have even had a fight over CAFTA if it hadn't been for the likes of Brown, Sanders, and George Miller. If we can replace Dewine with Brown, it won't just be another Democratic vote for senate majority leader (which is about all Lieberman is good for these days), it will be the addition of a true progressive in the senate.

Adam


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:30:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't need you (none / 0)

"You got a lot to learn about social movements. You think Dr. King waited for the movement to come to him? How about going out and making the movement happen."

Well, when you got the establishment out there undermining you, there's a bit more to this story, isn't there.

"And you know what, Sherrod Brown is doing that. He is a movement progressive."

Who didn't have the balls to run until Hackett showed what could be done last year. Real progressive, play-it-safe in my congressional district Congressman, lifetime politician, yup, that's a movement there.

You soul-less Dems are why the party alienate average people looking for someone with convictions they are willing to give voice to, and you unfortunately also alientate the base, which is what I was part of until recently.

Good luck with that movement. Something tells me it won't go far with beltway Dems like your guys in charge.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:30:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't need you (none / 0)

Hah! I wish I was a beltway Dem. I'd have a lot more influence than I have right now.

"Who didn't have the balls to run until Hackett showed what could be done last year. Real progressive, play-it-safe in my congressional district Congressman, lifetime politician, yup, that's a movement there."

How do you know that? It may have appeared that way. But do you know that? Brown always talked about waiting on family commitments and trying to stop CAFTA before he decided for sure.

Look at Sherrod's record, tell me one instance where he has not spoken up for working people in this country. That's why his blue-collar district always votes for him.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:33:57 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I have to agree that Chuck and Rahm and Harry screwed this up royally.  What was the harm in letting Hackett stay in the primary?  He'd run a clean positive campaign against Brown, get Democrats excited, and do all around good things for the Party.  

If Kos and Matt are right that he had no chance of winning the primary, then, really, the insistence that he drop out really makes no sense because he wasn't even threatening Brown.  If they were right...


by GreenlaborMike on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:19:13 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

I spite of my criticism of Hackett above, I totally agree with this.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:34:03 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

because this was and is about control. no one here, including kos and others is willing to admit the obvious 800 lb fact in the room.


by bruh21 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 08:01:29 PM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

...and once again the Democrats snatch Defeat from the jaws of Victory.

When you have these kind of moronic decisions being made, it is time for the Democratic Party to either change or die. Or, simply put, if they don't change, they will die.

As an Ohioan, I can tell you that Hackett was Ohio's best chance for US Senate. Now they'll just have to contend with the weak sacrificial-lamb candidates they always send up to lose the election.

And the chances of an Ohio pickup go flushing down the toilet...


by T Dubya Ault on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:23:42 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

"We don't need people who "are waiting" for a progressive movement. What, are you waiting for it to fall in your f*ing lap? "

What the f*ck?

Hackett falls into our lap, and look at the shabby treatment he gets.

F*ck 'em all, they're either rhetorically incompetent (witness Teddy Kennedy in the Alito hearings - this is all you got?), strategically incompetent (Kerry calling for a filibuster from Davos without moving opinion before-hand, huh? you think we're idiots?), and now this. Brilliant.

You don't need me? Fine. But I think that I owe it to myself to throw my hands up in disgust, as I have volunteered, I've given money both to the national party and locally, and I've been precinct chair in my caucuses for the past three elections, all while the corporate beltway schmucks with no balls have lost elections after election.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:26:09 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

No, we do need you.

We need everyone desparately. But I don't know how you expect to bring about a progressive society, if you do throw up your hands and give up. That's not what Wellstone would have done. That's now what Bobby Kennedy would have done. That's not what FDR would have done.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:38:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

No, you all can kiss this former Dem goodbye.  I watched with dismay while the only credible opposition to Dubya's war in Irak was given in the French language, setting up beltway Dem election '02, I choked down bile to vote for the worthless putz of an establishment Dem in 2004, I'm out.

My money goes to Bernie Sanders now. All of it. He doesn't need it, but he'll know what to do with it.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:04:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (3.00 / 1)

Kennedy and Roosevelt were ultra rich, and could by their way to power. We're peons whom those in power use as mini-ATMs.


by ElitistJohn on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:21:07 PM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

 To be clear, I agree with Kos. I'd even go further. This is not some 'betrayal' by party leaders. Someone announcing they are out of politics because they don't get what they want is babyish, unprofessional behavior.  

well, it took how long.....two years?....before Kos, Stoller, Jerome and the rest of the "netroots" leaders sold their souls.

Because that's what this is really about -- sucking up to Party Leaders at the expense of NET ROOTS candidates.  

"Crashing the Gates" my ass..... yeah, you "rebels" crashed the gates, but only so you could belly up to the trough full of Dom Perignon....

What precisely was the harm in having an open Democratic primary in Ohio?   Was there any indication that Hackett planned on hiring Karl Rove to smear Brown?  

You people make me sick


by plukasiak on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:33:04 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Paul, I love your work, but I just disagree with you.  No one is getting champaign.  People have strategic differences, sure, about how to build a movement with impact, please reconsider your ad hominem stance.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:24:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Correct me if I'm wrong:
  1. Hackett was encouraged to run for senate by the Democratic leadership.
  2. At some point afterward, Sherrod Brown decides he wants to run.
  3. Both candidates poll well against DeWine
  4. Brown outpolls Hackett
  5. Same Democratic leaders who asked Hackett to run, now ask him to step aside.

Why is it assumed that all bad behavior is Hackett's? It seems to me that either the Democrats should have let the primary run its course OR the Democrats should have pressured Brown not to run against Hackett before it became a public issue.

I say this because it seems Hackett had made a name for himself, his polling against DeWine was good, and this result would have everyone looking good. Why should Brown suddenly decide there's an opportunity to move up after Hackett did the groundwork?

Saying Hackett was being recruited by Rahn Emanuel is nothing but a formulaic red herring.

Applying some principles and standing by them would be a really refreshing outcome for the Democrats.

BTW - Steve Clemons has an interesting post on this issue.

There aren't many silver bullet solutions to America's political problems broadly or to the problems in either the Democratic or Republican parties. Hackett's war service profile, near win in the last election, and general attitude about policy and politics was refreshing to a progressive grassroots constituency that wants to change the course of the Democratic Party.

Let's presume for a moment that I endorse that impulse.

To accomplish what is essentially a hijacking of the party -- or at least to wrestle away the helm of party control -- the insurgents who were behind Hackett need to have weight in a good 25-30% of other key races that Democrats are wresling with (if not more). The 25-30% is enough inside the party to play a controlling or significant co-stakeholder role in party decision-making.

Furthermore, to win this battle for control -- some candidates, like Hackett, will have to vigorously run until the end, even if their candidacy looks doomed, or cash-strapped. It is certainly true that a slug-fest between Sherrod Brown and Paul Hackett may have harmed the Democratic Party -- and may even help Mike DeWine -- but to win a seat at the table and to chair the meeting when decisions are being made, the insurgent Dems will have to line up behind a number of candidates willing to go all the way.

One can't change the Democratic Party establishment if one remains dependent on that party's good graces and preferences. In this case, Rahm Emanuel and Co. began to choke Hackett because he wasn't playing ball the way that Rahm wanted or needed him to.

A successful insurgency won't care what Emanuel does. The insurgents will see victory behind both short-term defeats and short-term wins. Hackett needed to go all of the way -- win or lose -- to give the insurgents validation and strength in the Democratic Party.

So, maybe Hackett should have told the Dems to go to hell and continued running.

by workingclassanna on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:35:34 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

This is a great point.  And this is why you will see Mfume stay in the race through the bitter end even after Kos and Matt and the DNC and the rest of the dem party say it is a lost casue.  

We won't know for sure until the primary.


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:23:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Yah, I basically agree.  As I've said before, they should not have squelched a primary.

But Hackett's response to this is not right either.


by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:26:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, Babyish (none / 0)

And unprofessional.

He's a whiner - won't take on those who he says are making politics worse - if that's the case, why on Earth should anybody miss him? I mean if he won't even take on old school Democrats what kind of fight would he give the Republicans.

If he's going to just fold his tent, take his football and go home or whatever metaphor you want to use - good riddance. We need someone who'll really fight for progressive values. Not somebody who just complains and is unwilling to take a chance to secure a better country.


by ScottC on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:37:32 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Hackett is a loss.  The latest Pew Poll shows Dems have a real chance in the midterms and are already probably throwing it away.  

I've checked out of the Democratic Party, stopped all contributions except to specific progressive candidates, am part of what I see as a vital and growing group of reform progressives.  I'm glad to be free of supporting a party which has moved well to the right of center and lost its moral standing.  Meanwhile, it looks as though both parties are fragmenting, each in its own way.  We live in interesting times...


by Bean on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:37:44 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Your decision would make sense if Sherrod Brown was not a staunchly progressive democrat.


by adamterando on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:39:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Divisive (none / 0)

The whole point of not having a primary is to avoid the divisiveness and bad-blood that a primary contest can generate.

It seems to me that these behind-the-scenes moves to avoid a primary have created more bad feelings than a primary would have, at least amongst the netroots and other activists.

But the negative feelings might only have an impact on the netroots -- it might not affect the average voter, especially come Nov. I guess that's what Brown's campaign is counting on.


TAKE BACK OUR PARTY: Democracy Bonds
by LiberalFromPA on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:48:06 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Hackett was either going to become a Cuellar-like rep or a Ben Nelson-like senator.

He'd have done less damage as the first.


by Davis X Machina on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:51:39 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

People with your judgment gave us defeats in every election since 2000.

Forgive us if we were keen for another take on strategy.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:11:09 AM EST
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we will never know.. (none / 0)


by aiko on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:19:39 AM EST
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Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

Is that Steve Elmendorf on Sherrod Brown's campaign staff?

You guys sure like talking him up as a progressive, but I ain't biting. Elmendorf being on a campaign gives off a a steamy scent of Vichy spas to me, I'm afraid.

And the fool is going to lose on top of it.


by redstar66 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:40:16 AM EST

What Polls do people claim (3.00 / 1)

Hackett is ALWAYS THE WINNER

January 19, 2006

Hackett Crushing DeWine

The new Zogby/WSJ poll out today has Paul Hackett crushing Mike DeWine 41.9%-35%. Ahead of the incumbent by 7 points before the campaign starts is impressive.

Sherrod Brown is beating DeWine 41.3%-37%.

Anyone notice PAUL HACKETT PULLS SEATS FROM DEWINE?

Putz's the lot of them.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/d ocuments/info-flash05a.html?project=elec tions06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd =1&mod=blogs

Gee, even the Jan Rasmussen showed Paul pulled more seats from DeWine

DeWine  43%  Hackett 39%
DeWine  45%  Brown 40%

Everyone really should stop trying to spin.  The Insiders have them out in FULL FORCE don't they?


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:43:40 AM EST

What polls are claimed? (none / 0)

Hackett is ALWAYS THE WINNER

January 19, 2006

Hackett Crushing DeWine

The new Zogby/WSJ poll out today has Paul Hackett crushing Mike DeWine 41.9%-35%. Ahead of the incumbent by 7 points before the campaign starts is impressive.

Sherrod Brown is beating DeWine 41.3%-37%.

Anyone notice PAUL HACKETT PULLS SEATS FROM DEWINE?

Putz's the lot of them.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/d ocuments/info-flash05a.html?project=elec tions06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd =1&mod=blogs

Gee, even the Jan Rasmussen showed Paul pulled more seats from DeWine

DeWine  43%  Hackett 39%
DeWine  45%  Brown 40%

Everyone really should stop trying to spin.  The Insiders have them out in FULL FORCE don't they?


by LindainCincinnati on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:50:59 AM EST

Re: Hackett Out of Politics? (none / 0)

This is one of the most outrageously stupid turn of events I could imagine happening this year.  What a momentum-killer.  The only thing that keeps me from crying is that it happened in Ohio where things are already a hopeless zoo.


by gheimdal on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 12:46:55 PM EST

Unstable Crybaby? (none / 0)


Whew.  It seems like a really good move to get Hackett out now if he is capable of this kind of blow-up. It's embarrassing.  I have no use for a whining crybaby and that's exactly how he sounds.

Hey Paul!  No one's forcing you out of anything!  If you want to run in the primary, GO AHEAD.  No one can stop you.  But you may have to raise a lot of money and run against a Progressive Democrat with a record as a Congressman and a lot of support--in Ohio and nationally.

It's politics.  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen but please don't try to muck it up on your way out.  We're trying to retake the Senate, ya self-servin' egomaniac!  


by Thaddeus on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 01:03:29 PM EST

hotheaded move (none / 0)

This seems like a hotheaded move on Hackett's part. My impressions:

(a) Hackett was completely outclassed by Brown's organization, which is probably the best org to be found in Ohio.

(b) Hackett was simply less predictable. He may or may not have been a better candidate -- I certainly liked his fire, and would've had no qualms whatsoever voting for him. But I can understand that from the party's POV he was much more of a gamble. He was potentially vulnerable to all sorts of things: wrong moves, rookie mistakes, hidden skeletons in the closet that come out at just the wrong time. If you think both men have a roughly equal shot at unseating DeWine, then it makes more sense to go with Brown -- he is a known quantity. Any good soldier would tell you that it's far better to control all the variables you can.

(c) Hackett is clearly pissed off right now. He needs time to cool off. Pulling a Cartman screw-you-guys-I'm-going-home isn't exactly indicative of leadership. Politics unfortunately involves deals like that sometimes, and you just take stock, regroup, and make your move later. How he handles himself over the next few weeks will tell you a lot about his character.

It would've been great to see Hackett and Brown in the primary together. I think that was a mistake on the part of the OH party -- a primary battle would have seasoned him and given him additional experience in organizing and running. But maybe they were afraid of Brown (who was likely to win because he had the better org) getting friendly fire from Hackett.


by drewthaler on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:06:33 PM EST

Political Suicide (none / 0)

This is political suicide for Hackett. He's a good candidate for the House. Not for Senate, not yet.

What sucks is that he decided to be a suicide bomber and hurt the other fighting Dems. We can turn this into a positive by sticking to the message that These Fighting Dems are a New Breed of Democrats. Say nothing of Brown. This is a story about how great the Fighting Dems are.


by dereau on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 05:32:32 PM EST


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