Racial Politics This Week -- Obama Edition

Obama: Keep Hope AliveIt seems whenever people talk about Barack Obama, they talk about hope. Here's what Shakespeare said about hope:

"The miserable have no other medicine but only hope". - (Measure for Measure: Act III, Scene I)

Enduring what will likely be seen as one of the worst U.S. presidencies in history has been miserable for thoughtful, observant Americans. Perhaps this is what makes this the right time for a man like Obama to dazzle us with his Audacity and Hope. Isn't he in many ways the anti-thesis of Prince George the II? Obama was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He's not stupid. He doesn't stumble over his own tongue. His career has not been pre-programmed and handed to him on a golden plate. Obama represents all that Americans would like America to be -- the land of opportunity in which it does not matter who your parents were or where they came from or how much money or friends they had. The America we all want to believe in promises that the content of your character is what will ultimately determine your success.

Quite a few other things happened this week. Like the Iraq Study Group release, for example. Or the fact that U.S. history was made when a Native American tribe bought a major multi-national corporation for the first time. The most diverse space shuttle crew ever is about to launch. Oh and by the way, the Iraq war is the number one issue for Latino U.S. citizens and non-citizens. That might be in part because Latinos account for the highest number of minority soldiers killed in Iraq.

But when the going gets tough, many Americans like to starfuck. Obama has caught fire as an antidote to what ails the nation. So let's do a quick roundup of what people are saying about Obama at the crossroads of race and politics in America. Embrace the Obamarama.

Latino Bloggers and Obama

Kos wrote this week that "If Obama runs, he wins." It's not an endorsement, just an analysis. It sparked a fair amount of discussion online. Still, does Obama have a problem ahead with Latino voters? Even in Illinois, he took heat for his Nov. vote for the border fence.

Obama defended his position, saying "I am confident that, if you look at my track record, there hasn't been a stronger friend to the Latino community than me." Chicago's CBS2 reports that Obama met with Latino leaders in Illinois and assured them that the vote was "part of a larger strategy". (Source: VivirLatino)

A strategy perhaps to piss off Hispanic voters?

Black Bloggers and Obama

Progressive: African-American Opinion wonders if Obama will end up like Jesse. "Keep Hope Alive", indeed. Republic of T has a good piece on the Obama Bandwagon:

And as it looks like Barack Obama is morphing into the Democrats' Great Black Holy Hope for 2008, I guess I should start now working my way up to a rousing, enthusiastic, heartfelt, "He'll do. Maybe."

Hip-Hop: Byron Crawford takes a poll among his readers and finds that Obama has moved the needle on the possibility that an African-American could become president, but that most still think Hillary would beat Barack.

Conservative: Booker Rising discusses the complex relationship between the descendants of slaves and African immigrants that Sen. Obama's rise has begun to highlight.

White Bloggers and Obama

Much of the Obama-mania writing on the progressive side seem to blend admiration and frustration. Each post has a little of both. Here are some examples. Feel free to disagree with me which way the posts seem to be leaning overall.

The Love: Jerome Armstrong, ArchPundit and Pastor Dan

Pastor Dan:
Changing the conversation is leadership for Obama. It changes the political situation - in a way that traditional partisans like the netroots might not grasp. People talk about Obama's limitless ambition coupled with his odd lack of apparent passion for controversial topics. It's all there, but the ambition isn't to build a stronger party and the passion isn't to craft legislation. It's to fundamentally change the way Americans talk to one another, and the way they go about solving problems.

The Fear and Loathing: David Sirota, Chris Bowers and Matt Stoller

Sirota:
And true, Obama is not nearly as much of a party back-stabber as McCain was perceived to be in 2000. Additionally, he hasn't won or lost a presidential primary, so we have no idea if the progressive movement will start thinking like a movement or not, or alternately, whether Obama will start using his platform to push a real agenda before he ignites a progressive backlash.

Asian Bloggers and Obama

I looked high and low for Asian-American opinion in the blogs on Obama and didn't find much just yet. I did, however, find this letter to Time magazine right after the election:

To explain the mania surrounding Obama's political career, Joe Klein quoted Shelby Steele, who said that "it's all about gratitude" and that white Americans are enthusiastic about the Senator because he allows them to forget about "racial guilt." As an Asian American who strongly supports Obama, where do I fall? Once again, a conversation on race has been reduced to white and black. I am energized by the Senator because he is smart, thoughtful and pragmatic. He represents me, a Democrat with strong Christian values. He knows the struggle of trying to attain the American Dream and the difficulties of being an ethnic minority in America. It's as simple as that.

Chong-Hwa Lee
Derwood, Maryland, U.S.

I suspect this is a popular viewpoint among Asian-Americans, but you tell me: what's up?

Finally, hip hop blogger Asian Provocateur out of New Orleans says: "oh yes Barack Obama should run for president. He's all that AND A BAG OF DONUTS."



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Re: Racial Politics This Week -- Obama Edition (none / 0)

A month after the 2006 election, and I'm suffering from Obama '08 burnout already. 2007 is gonna be a long year.


by Mullibok on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 04:57:03 PM EST

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Of course Obama could make all the friction with Latinos go away if he picked Richardson as his running mate.  Plus it would probably put latinos in the D column for a long time.


by DemGenii on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:00:39 PM EST

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Are you kidding me!  At least in terms of their resumes and executive experience (including on foreign and domestic issues) any Richardson/Obama ticket would only make sense with Obama as the VP.  And, frankly, as a progressive Latino, I'm more likely to stick with Democrats as long as Dems don't continue to give us triangulating fools at the top of the ticket.  I would've been happy with a Dean or a Feingold as the Dem candidate, rather than the triangulating pair that we've been saddled with: Hillary & Obama.


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by bedobe on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 08:07:23 PM EST
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Hillary triangulates... Obama does not.

As far as a Richardson/Obama ticket... while Richardson is VASTLY more experiences than Obama, the general thought and perception would be that in a race with CLinton and Obama, very few candidates could emerge in the press and fundraising world and would really get nowhere between the two (the MAIN exception to this is Al Gore... and if Gore, Clinton and Obama are in this race, I don't think any of the other hopefuls have a chance).. possibly Edwards or Kerry who still have the infrastructure in place.  

So while from an experience stand point Richardson would be an outstanding choice, there is a MUCH better chance to see an Obama/Richardson ticket than a Richardson/Obama ticket.  


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:17:13 AM EST
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Re: Racial Politics This Week -- Obama Edition (none / 0)

Both Hillary and Obama triangulate. Just look at the example of Obama's triangulation on the 700 mile long US/Mexico wall that Republicans push for and that, unfortunately, Obama decided to support:

"I am confident that, if you look at my track record, there hasn't been a stronger friend to the Latino community than me," Obama said on Monday.

But Hispanic leaders say he has betrayed the trust of the people who always gave him their votes.

"He's lost his vision; he's lost his feet on the ground," said Hispanic leader Carmen Velasquez.

Obama is being criticized after siding with Republicans in the Senate to approve a 700-mile wall across the Mexican border. The vote happened almost two months ago.

But CBS 2 News has learned exclusively that Obama has met privately with Hispanic leaders in an effort to convince them that his vote is part of a larger strategy. (Link: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story _324192245.html)

So, what's the "larger strategy," if not cynical triangulation?

As for the Richardson/Obama comparison, yes, it's obvious that the Obama bandwagon is getting fuller by the minute.


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by bedobe on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:45:41 AM EST
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by pupail on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:05:31 AM EST
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What others say is not as important (none / 0)

as what the man really does, says and is about.

Why so much account given to what people say.

It's doesn't matter what people say.

All of the hype about Obama reminds me of all those who voted for Bush and how they jumped on the Bush wagon to elect the worst President that I know of.

People need to learn to look to what a man does and says before they jump in the fire with him because everyone else is.


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by dk2 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:04:06 PM EST

Gonzalez (none / 0)

I just cannot understand how people can be so excited about someone who voted to confirm Abu Gonzalez

Obama's voting record is no great shakes. Who cares what a man says, only his actions matter


by Alice Marshall on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 08:15:18 PM EST
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Re: Gonzalez (none / 0)

So you don't like Obama and now feel the need to make things up.  Or were you simply pulling that out your ass.

Do your research Alice.  Obama did not for for Gonzalez.  He voted for Condi, but voted no on Gonzalez.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro ll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=109&session=1&vote=00003

Funny I don't see you demonizing Feingold's vote for Roberts (another one Obama voted against)... that vote is far worse for this country than 4 years of Gonzalez.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro ll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=109&session=1&vote=00003


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:12:30 AM EST
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I stand corrected (none / 0)

I feel better about Obama. The vote for Condi was pretty bad, but at least he did not vote for Abu Gonzalez.

I was never a Fiengold supporter.


by Alice Marshall on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:15:33 AM EST
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Re: I stand corrected (none / 0)

Fair enough.  My apologies for the harsh tone.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:18:09 AM EST
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Re: What others say is not as important (none / 0)

I would say many who back him DO look at what he says.  I have also noticed that someone can post an Obama soundbite or speech and there will be 70 different posts on the meaning of said soundbite.  You see something he says and might think it is a slight against aethiests.  Others see the same speech and think it is a call for Democrats to be as inclusive as possible of all types of people (a call Howard Dean has made as well).  


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:21:05 AM EST
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Wish in 1 Hand, Shit in the other, see (none / 0)

which 1 fills up first =

the poor people's hope.

I hope he isn't just another Ivy blowhard fuck who takes we the peons hopes and throws 'em out the fucking window, BUT

doesn't lose his home or vacations on the Vineyard or Nantucket,

like clinton or kerry.

hope ... are we going to start playing "don't stop thinking about tomorrow" with Fleetwood Mac?

rmm.


by seabos84 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:04:18 PM EST

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i can't believe the left is already talking about a backlash.  you've got to be kidding me.

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by theshelldog on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:05:58 PM EST

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RunObama.com will be up in New Hampshire blogging Sen. Obama's first trip up there tomorrow.

Be sure and check out the runobama blog (http://runobama.com/blog) and we will be posting on MyDD also.


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by Adam Conner on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:08:49 PM EST

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I would bet there are several people who could be considered stronger friends to the Latino community.  I would also bet that he should stop making dumbass comments like that if he wants to be president.  Just tell the truth.  If he thinks the vote is defensible, defend it.  If he thinks that it's ok to screw Latinos sometimes as long as he helps them other times, say that.  But he just looks dumb saying things like that.


by Lucas O'Connor on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:10:59 PM EST

Obama (none / 0)

is the only major candidate who was against the war from the start.  That's one of the many reasons why I support him.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:12:48 PM EST

Re: Obama-Clark was against war (3.00 / 1)

Don't forget Gen. Wes Clark. He was very outspoken from the very beginning. He made several announcements to counter Gen. Powell's presentation for war during the heated debates.

As for Obama, yes, he was against the war. But it's much easier saying you're against the war if you did not have to vote on it on the Senate floor.

I'm sure there were some Democratic Senators who had doubts about the war privately but at that time, there was so much public pressure to vote for the war.


by livyoga on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:34:31 PM EST
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True (none / 0)

but Clark was also not in Congress and he certainly wavered more on Iraq than Obama.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 06:07:54 PM EST
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Re: True (3.00 / 1)

Baloney!

Wes Clark did more than just mention in a speech that he was against the invasion, he testified before congress that he was against it.

http://www.house.gov/hasc/openingstateme ntsandpressreleases/107thcongress/02-09- 26clark.html

And although he lauded the troops, whom he knows and loves, for a job well done, he never wavered from his POV that the invasion was a mistake.


by pelican on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:17:46 PM EST
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Re: True (none / 0)

I'm an Obama fan and supporter, but you are wrong on Clark wavering... and to be fair, Obama was not in congress when the war started.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:22:59 AM EST
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Being against the war from the git go (none / 0)

doesn't make him perfect.
It could just be a fact that the man doesn't like to commit to anything, maybe he would like to stay on the sideline and ride the middle where everything is safe and just wonderful.
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by dk2 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 06:12:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

I keep seeing statements that Obama was against the war from the start. He was not in the Senate at that time. Did he make public statements, are there any interviews, etc. of his opposition to the war? Did he participate in anti-war rallies?
I would like to see something to go on regarding his position. I remember in the start of the anti-war efforts there were very few voices out there like Robert Byrd and others.
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by robliberal on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:16:56 PM EST
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    Obama is popular among Democrats because he is African American, and seems to have liberal values. On the whole, I don't think it really matters too much. If its a Hillary/Obama contest, I think Hillary would win because people would see Obama as non electible because he is black. If he does get the nomination, he might win, but I am unsure. However, I am suspicious of this; WHY THE HELL IS THE REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE (i.e MSM), in favor of Obama??????


by alexsycara on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:42:33 PM EST

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Well, I still haven't made up my mind about Obama; but the MSM just likes dramatic stories. They could give a rat's ass about the truth or, for that matter, which side their skewiness helps or hurts. The right-wing has been doing a good job pitching their Hollywoodized version of reality recently, that's all.

And the MSM is excited by the idea of a woman or a black man becoming President for the first time, because it's a cool story arc they can entertain viewers with without having to work too hard at it, whereas Senator Brownback will make it hard for them to keep people from turning the channel. It's no different than when they got all excited about the possibility of a black quarterback winning the Superbowl for the first time. The media really just is that shallow.

I don't think it says anything about Obama's quality or electability either way. It just says that the media thinks "good-looking young mixed-race guy trying to break down a barrier" and envisions not having writer's block for six months.


by tjekanefir on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:22:58 PM EST
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And a Hillary being a woman makes her that much more electable... OR being Hillary Clinton for that matter... Lets be honest, she was never as well loved as Bill was.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:24:54 AM EST
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Re: Why no one talks about White voters (none / 0)

What I find interesting is there is so much analysis about how Latinos & Blacks would react to Obama.

But very little discussion is being made about how White Voters will react to Obama.

What's ironic is come general elections, it will still be White Voters in Middle America, the so called Purple & Red states who will decide this election.

It may be uncomfortable for some to talk about something that is real & will be an issue in 2008.

Yes, white people in Mydd, Kos & whites in the whole progressive netroots community would have
no problem whatsoever in voting for a Black man for President. That's already a given.

The only problem is .... the views of white progressive netroots members are not the views of your average White voter in middle america.

You may be okay with a Black man being President, but you would be almost in denial or pretty ignorant if you cannot acknowledge that there are still millions of White voters, in both Blue & especially Purple & Red states who Will Not Vote today for a Black person for President.

Remember, 95% of members of Mydd, Kos are without a doubt to the Left & much more Liberal than middle white american voters.

If Webb was black, you think he would have beaten Allen ? If Obama is the nominee, you can pretty much take states like WV,VA,AR,NC, TN,MT,MO off the battleground states.

Its hard enough to get blacks elected on a statewide level, putting someone as President Obama & First Lady Michelle will take a lot, much more resistance than people here care to admit.

That's the reality on race that people here should think about. Winning the nominee is not the main battle.

And people here who say America is no longer hang-up about race is being Extremely Political Correct. I wish it were true but its not.

And this is not a White Republican issue alone. There are millions of White Independents & even Democrats out there who will have an ISSUE about Barack's race if he gets to the general election.

Talk about it instead of pretending that we are way past that. This country is not past that. Not in 2008.

Even electing a Woman for President is a tough nut to crack. A Black man?


by livyoga on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:54:26 PM EST

Re: Why no one talks about White voters (none / 0)

Actually, I suspect voters today are more ready to accept a black or Latino president than a female one. I just see so much discouraging reaction to Hillary and Pelosi. There's still this perception that women are weak, yet women who act tough give people a negative impression that they're "bitchy" or "cold" or "scolding" even though a man doing the same thing wouldn't catch the same flak.

I don't think we're past racism by any means, but at least people don't think black men are weak. For the presidency, "strong" is like the #1 thing you have to convince the average voter that you are. I don't think the ugly stereotype that black men aren't as intelligent would be as damaging in a presidential race as the ugly stereotype that women aren't as strong and steady.

It seems entirely feasible to me that Obama could energize turnout among non-whites enough to offset votes lost from otherwise swingable racists. It would be dependent on Obama actually energizing people, but if he could do that, then sure, he'd be electable.


by tjekanefir on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:44:40 PM EST
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Doug Wilder (none / 0)

Virginians elected a black Lt Gov in 1985 at Gov in 1989

We are ready for a black Pres, I just hope we will not choose Obama given that he voted to confirm Abu Gonzalez

We need an anti torture President


by Alice Marshall on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 08:23:53 PM EST
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Re: Doug Wilder (none / 0)

I know you call the stand corrected above, but again for the record, Obama did not vote to confirm Gonzalez.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:26:04 AM EST
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Re: Black race will be an issue everywhere (none / 0)

By the way, people here who think Obama's race will only be an issue in so called battleground Purple & Red states are dreaming.

There will be many White voters in the West, Southwest, Midwest, even the Northeast region among all parties-GOP, Independent & Democrats who will not support a Black man for President.

Someday yes, but today or 2008- I don't think so.

Some here keep on forgetting the Mydd, Kos are not your typical white voter when it comes to many social issues such as Race or Gay Marriage.

I can already predict that even in the Primary, it will be a UNSPOKEN issue in some Democratic States in the South,Midwest & Rocky Mountain states.


by livyoga on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 05:59:48 PM EST

Re: Black race will be an issue everywhere (none / 0)

15 years ago Virginia elected a black Democrat as governor. It's still an issue, but I think progressives tend to overestimate how much of an issue it is as a coping mechanism for impending defeat, because a lot of black candidates in southern states lose from things aside from race.

Undoubtedly there are people who won't ever vote for a black candidate, but I suspect most of them aren't ever going to vote for a Democrat either. Running a black candidate would probably reduce our share of the independent vote, but not by anywhere near an overwhelming margin.


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by Englishlefty on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:10:51 PM EST
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Re: Black race will be an issue everywhere (none / 0)

Here's the thing though... we don't know that.  There has NOT been a major female or black candidate running for President since Jesse Jackson (if you can honestly call him a major candidate with a realistic shot).  And even then, I would say some of Jackson's comments sunk him rather than skin color.  

Until we have a major candidate with a realistic chance we won't know.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:28:38 AM EST
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1) I am an Asian-American with a blog (not updated too much recently), although I suspect those of Filipino descent such as myself are going to view things a bit differently compared to those of Vietnamese/Chinese/etc descent in part due to Filipinos usually being strong Catholics.

Personally, I am intrigued by Obama and would tentatively support him over Edwards/Clinton/Clark/Kerry, although I reserve the right to change my opinion based on future actions.  Of course, I was intrigued by Howard Dean based on other issues before I knew his stance on Iraq. So, I think that Obama has an upside.

2) As I've pointed out, so far, Obama seems to have a problem with specifically white evangelical Democrats and seems to be doing best among secular Democrats.

3) So far, Obama is the current flavor-of-the-month as the anti-Hillary, telegenic where Hillary is not, creating an impression of sincerity where Hillary comes across as calculating.


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by Anthony de Jesus on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 06:06:27 PM EST

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Thanks Anthony -- the religious split among Asian-Americans is not talked about much but is an important factor to consider.

In terms of white evangelicals, I think Obama would possibly be able to take some of those votes from the GOP in a way that Hillary might find difficult.


by Jill Tubman on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:06:50 AM EST
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Personally speaking, I'd love to see a Gore/Obama ticket.

I don't think Gore should be ruled out--if he runs as the "real" Gore, rather than the "canned" Gore of the 2000 election (which he won by a sliver), no one would/could beat him.  And Obama would be the icing on the cake, so to speak.  Obama has great potential, but I don't see him as presidential material...just yet.  He has a long life ahead of him, but he needs a little more mentoring imho.  


by daimones on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 06:20:09 PM EST

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I don't think of Hope when I think of Obama.


by Bob Brigham on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 06:58:02 PM EST

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Next year this time no one will be thinking of him as a contender for President. Too much brilliance, not enough real fire. Feels too much like being in the entertainment industry which is good for this sort of thing.


by bruh21 on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 06:59:43 PM EST

I think you got it all wrong on Obama and race... (none / 0)

What Obama represents is the ultimate argument against racism since he so clearly transcends race as an issue.

Obama isn't about race...he's about America looking at its problems with a clear vision and solving those problems with a hard intelligence.

The appeal is the same as JFK.  Someone from the future, not the past.

1. "But when the going gets tough, many Americans like to starfuck."

The more appropriate term is "looking for the man on a white horse".  People want a visionary leader who can take them to the promised land but that has been universal in human societies and has nothing to do with race.

2. "The America we all want to believe in promises that the content of your character is what will ultimately determine your success."

Well of course...another kind of universal hope but that has nothing to do with race either.

That Obama is black is an a la carte issue.  He's not running as a "racial" candidate.  Had the upcoming young US Senator who so clearly and passionately articulated the reasons for liberal policies been Latino, white or Asian the effect would have been the same. Whoa!  Who is this guy?

Obama didn't come out of US civil rights movement. In many ways, he's the ultimate product of it.  A smart, articulate liberal politician who has the vision for moving America forward whose black ancestry is entirely incidental to his success not the central issue of his success.

Are there people who will make an issue of his ancestry? Yes.  Are there people who will vote against him because of his ancestry? Yes.

But race isn't what Obama's candidacy is about at all.


by BrionLutz on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:22:00 PM EST

Re: His Race is an Issue whether he makes it or no (none / 0)

Barack Obama's race is an issue & will be an issue whether he, you or I like it or not.

We are in December 2007. We are in the infancy stage. Very early. He hasn't even declared. But once Sen. Obama declares & runs, you will see a 180 degree difference from the media & the voters.

Does he transcend race? Yes, absolutely. He has the gift of making people at ease & is very impressive.

But will his charm & wit be enough for White swing voters across america in states like Iowa, WV,AZ, NC, AR,VA,TN,MT,CO,MO,OH,LA,IN,WI? We're talking about electoral rich, critical battleground states that is hard enough to win for any Democrat because of its right leaning views on Social issues on Religion, Gays, Race & Guns.

Will his great speaches be enough even in some Blue states with Very small % of African-Americans such as NH,OR,VT,ME. These states have never had or being exposed to African-American candidates in their respective states.
Now you're asking them to vote for a Black man for President.

Now if our goal is to make history by running the 1st black nominee, then, lets go for it.

But let's just make it clear that Barack Obama is not & will not be the strongest candidate for the Democratic party in the general election.

No matter how charming & sharp he is on the stump, he will be a Major Liability in Purple states & battleground Red states.

Just like Hillary Clinton would also be.

The effect of a Obama or a Hillary is it will negatively impact our House & Senate candidates in many of these Red & Purple states.

This will be Kerry & Gore all over again. They will only be able to realistically campaign & be effective in Blue states & several Purple states. The whole South & several Mountain states & a couple of midwest would be a waste.

Again,netroots White voters do not reflect nor share the views of your average White American voter out there when it comes to some controversial issues in religion,race, and gays.


by livyoga on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:11:05 AM EST
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Re: His Race is an Issue whether he makes it or no (none / 0)

I think you've missed the point as did the originator of the discussion.

Obama isn't about race.  He hasn't run as a "black man".  For example, the New Orleans congressional race, was very much about race. Candidates ran on being black. Jefferson won largely because of racial issues.

Obama's political career has been inspite of race.

"Barack Obama's race is an issue & will be an issue whether he, you or I like it or not."

Of course it will be and is an issue as we see here.  Those who bring up Obama's race fall into two camps. The "I'll never vote for a black person" type.  And the "We can't nominate a black person because some people will never vote for black person" type.  The message is the same in the end.

We would see that same dynamic if the candidate were Colin Powell or Barack Obama, neither of whom come out of the civil rights movement.

Obama's candidacy is based on being really smart, on being a leader who can clearly articulate the liberal position on issues.  Who can clearly explain the American position on issues, what's good for America and why it needs to be a common goal for all Americans.


by BrionLutz on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:41:18 AM EST
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Obama..... (none / 0)

This whole Obama hysteria is out of control.

The man cannot be elected due to the fact that America is one racist damn country.

He has no record to speak of.

The man is not a progressive.

Stop thinking he's progressive because he's black.

He's not. Read what he's said. Read what Stoller and Sirota have written about him.

We need a person in the office of the Presidency who knows how our executive works not somebody who just blew into town.

He's part of the Joey the Liarmann and Hillary triangulation cabal and as such will never offer anything not approved by the Corporate Masters of same.

Let's move on.

Nothing to see here.
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by Pericles on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 08:58:42 PM EST

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"Read what Stoller and Sirota have written about him."

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That doesn't help your argument


by v2aggie2 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:51:47 AM EST
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Even if the entire cast of the Progressive netroots community give their ringing endorsement of Obama- that does Not mean a thing.

We as a net community is to the Left of 70% of americans. We are the Left of center in many major issues especially on social issues like Race, Gays & Religion.

Always remember that. Every person here is speaking to the choir.

Its already a given. No one among us has a problem with a Black person being President of this great nation.

The problem is we are not everyone. We are not even close. Whites here are not your typical white moderate/Conservative Democrat or Independent in states like AZ,MT,NC,AR,IA,TN,AR,MT, etc.


by livyoga on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:17:26 AM EST
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Asian Americans support him becuase of the racial factor. They also support an Obama Presidency more than a Clinton Presidency.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:36:05 PM EST

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"They also support an Obama Presidency more than a Clinton Presidency."

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What makes you say that?


by v2aggie2 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:50:13 AM EST
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First of all, who designated you as speaker of the entire Asian-American community?

Secondly, Obama's victory will not be determined by Asian voters. It will still be the swing white voters who will ultimately decide his faith.

Even if Blacks, latinos & Asians gave him an overwhelmingly victory in the Democratic Primary ( what more the general), it would still be not enough to put him over the top. He will still need a strong showing among white voters.

Asians are not the problem. I am talking about White voters as the problem.


by livyoga on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:22:44 AM EST
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I came to this conclusion reading Asian American political blogs. Asian Americans need to comment more on progressive political websites. It's not my fault only two commented on this thread.

Personally, I would like a Clinton presidency.

Obama's victory will not be determined by Asian voters. It will still be the swing white voters who will ultimately decide his faith.

Jill specifically asked what Asians think of Obama.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:17:38 PM EST
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The miserable have no other medicine but only hope.

Hmmmn.

So the miserable have no medicine that is based on experience with a particular bad situation that brings about good results.

The miserable, apparently, have only hope --- or should I say --- faith.

So in trying to decide who we should vote for as president, let's weigh the two sides.

We can make our vote be a faith-based initiative --- or we can make it be based on looking at what "medicine" has demonstrated experience in fixing bad things.

If we choose faith, I have to say, it's no wonder we're miserable.  It's all we deserve to be.


by catherineD on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:11:56 AM EST

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Barack Obama, on Hillary:

"You know, I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's the most disciplined--one of the most disciplined people--I've ever met. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence. And she is, she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children. So it's not clear to me what differences we've had since I've been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test."


by marycontrary on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:04:10 AM EST

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Senator Barack Obama is Senator Hillary Clinton without the legislative experience and without the tested ability to withstand pressure and mud-slinging.  Hillary started out being unpopular, even detested, and ended up maintaining a 68 to 80% favorability rating, nationally, among Democratic voters.  She will wipe the floor with Obama, mark my word.  I have no doubt that her strategy team is already crafting the ads against him.  Then Barack Obama will discover what it is like to try fighting for support, rather than have it handed to him.  And he has nothing on Hillary Clinton.  In two separate interviews, he has basically said he might also have voted on the war authorization if he had been in a position to do so.  This man is full of it.  And full of himself.  I am already tired of his speeches and his dozens of "ancecdotes".  


by marycontrary on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:12:21 AM EST


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