How To Depress the Youth Vote in 2008

For so many reasons, this is strategically unwise.

Hot on the heels of the release of the Iraq Study Group Report -- and a day in which 10 U.S. servicemen were killed and at least 84 Iraqis were blown up or shot -- prospective presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will join with Joe Lieberman to hold a press conference today at 3 pm ET to announce the launch of a television PSA campaign about... video game ratings.

If there's any way to ensure that youth feel no reason to vote in 2008, this is it.  Remember, Senator Clinton is on record saying that young people today "think work is a four-letter word".

A progressive American is necessarily going to be composed of the largest and youngest generation of progressive voters that have ever existed.  It's not a good idea to insult them out of the process, unless, well, you're not progressive.  



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Apparently (3.00 / 1)

her daughter thinks work is a six-figure word.


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by Nonpartisan on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:18:42 PM EST

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On the bright side for Chelsea, her nether regions have yet to show up on the internet, unlike Jenna Bush... Girl either needs to shave better or was a little late on the waxing.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:23:35 PM EST
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I agree with matt.  as for jenna - and the rest, don't know. thats kind of wierd. I guess she could show up, but she wouldn't be named hillary. probably 'amber' don't you think.


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by heyAnita on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:30:23 PM EST
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I think it was a lot more innocent than say Brittney Spears... It looked like she was at the beach and had a wrap on and had taken her suit off.  She was then putting on sandals and brought her legs up too far and someone got a million dollar shot.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 10:29:10 PM EST
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I like that....

The Clintons wanna be like the Bush's sooooooooooooooooooo bad....

Hereditary aristocracy and all ya know.


by Pericles on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:13:34 PM EST
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Youth vote?  The average gamer is 33 years old. This is gonna turn off some middle aged voters. The last time gamers were predominantly minors was like 1988, not 2008. Hey isn't that when Joe Lieberman was first running for senate?

Really, the fuddy-duddy caucus needs to shut its stupid mouth.


by fwiffo on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:19:16 PM EST

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Truly a diasterous move. This is the sort of crap that makes me less open minded about the PResidential field every day.
by Chris Bowers on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:19:45 PM EST

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Now that Matt, Jerome, Markos, and Ariana have decided to load upon Hillary accentuating all her negatives and downplaying the positives, I have a question for them. Have they thought about what would happen the day after primary? Have they thought what happened to Lamont in Connecticut? We ended up with a bitter and divided democratic party with 35% still committed to Lieberman.

If they continue their vicious attacks against one of their own candidates, they will loose that candidates loyal supporters in the general election. Remember, McCain or Rudy are not that polarizing to the general electorate like Bush. These loyal voters could easily switch to McCain or Rudy in the general election if they are disgusted with how some people (note the language used in some of the blogs:note huffingtonpost) in their party treated their candidate.

Of course, this only matters if people here care about winning the general election, and not the primary alone.


by rakk on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 10:52:33 PM EST
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I don't know... A lot of gaming blogs have been going political as of late and promoting that readers vote out and not vote for the people in congress trying to suppress first amendment rights...  They won't even type Jack Thompson's name... he has become the bumbling version of Lord Voldemort to the Gaming community.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:21:33 PM EST

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I think Iraq is a four-letter word.

Here's an interesting protest - a man is logging into the Army recruiting video game, America's Army - and posting the names of the dead in the chat feature of the game.

http://www.unr.edu/art/DELAPPE/Gaming/De ad_In_Iraq/dead_in_iraq%20JPEGS.html

Videogames are free speech. The internets are free speech. Some of that speech is for adults. Parents, act accordingly. If Democrats want to help parents they should make healthcare universal and portable. I know so many parents where one person works solely to get good benefits. Video games? Please.


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by joejoejoe on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:24:41 PM EST

When will they hold a press briefing (none / 0)

on the cost of college educations?

That's where we need action, and action right away.

The costs of college are going through the roof.


by dataguy on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:25:26 PM EST

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Boy HRC looks horrific in that pic...


by yitbos96bb on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:28:41 PM EST

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All I can figure is that Hillary thinks she's appealing to the old vote.  Over 65 is a key component in Iowa but then again the video poker crowd is claiming they were the ones who shot down Jim Leach in an Iowa congressional race.  This is what gives people the creeps about Hillary.  PS- I still hold it against Tipper Gore that she crusaded against song lyrics back in what the 70s or 80s.  The harm lingers, ladies.


by David Kowalski on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:31:01 PM EST

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How The Left Lost Teen Spirit by Danny Goldberg is a great account of the music circus that Hillary, Lieberman and Bayh seem intent on repeating.

It's just depressing how culturally isolated our leaders are.


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by Josh Koenig on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:08:23 PM EST
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A light goes on (none / 0)

It hadn't ever occurred to me that Tipper and Co.'s stupidity in the mid to late 80's might have had a hand in those my age (in high school then) being so heavily  attracted to republicans.  I had always assumed it was all from Reagan/Rambo/"Greed is Good"/Alex Keaton stuff during their formative years.


by Ugluks Flea on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:41:40 PM EST
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That's one of things that cost Gore a wide margin (none / 0)

Lieberman and Tipper Gore's censorship brigade.


by Fro on Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 09:06:23 AM EST
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I don't know if it made people attracted to republicans, but the big disconnect between Boomer Democrats and Gen-X citizens certainly depressed left-leaning teenagers in the 80s. A lack of any culturally-authentic political leadership leads to cynicism and apathy and and 5% of the under-30 vote going for Nader in 2000 with Bush and Gore splitting the rest.


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by Josh Koenig on Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 04:23:12 PM EST
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A lot of responsible gamers... (none / 0)

...would have no problem with raising awareness of the ESRB ratings.

That's what the system is for to give you a general guideline for the game if you don't have a chance to learn more about it. I don't think gamers would be upset if parents were actually responsible and actually took the time to read the ratings and if stores actually followed the ratings at least roughly. A public awareness campaign of the existence of the ESRB and that you should use them might be a waste of money, but as far as I know it's not a First Amendment issue unless you think it's a good thing for 12 year-olds buy Leisure Suit Larry.

(I know the last is hyperbole, I'm trying to make a point.)


by MNPundit on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:33:54 PM EST

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IFIAK the real thrust of this is to get some harder legislation penalizing retailers. You don't need to pass a law to run some PSA's. While this alone isn't a 1st amendment issue, it's still a bad idea, and the general direction is chilling especially given how clueless these reactions seem.

IMHO there's nothing wrong with the current rating system for movies, even though it's always been easy for kids to rend and get tickets to R-rated films.


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by Josh Koenig on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:11:17 PM EST
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I think it's a good idea to penalize retailers. Parents can still buy the games for their kids if they think they should have them. Of course this assumes most parents know a few things about gaming...

...all I can say is that when my kids are 15 I'll still be better at them at video games.


by MNPundit on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 07:06:24 PM EST
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I'm no HRC fan but as I recall, Hillary apologized for her "work is a four letter word" comment. The so-called "Youth Vote" will be usurped by Obama and Edwards. The question is: will they show up to vote in the primaries? If they do, Hil will be "toast."


by randron on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:35:12 PM EST

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While at first impression I completely agreed with this post... I actually bothered to read the article and the comments on the gamers' blog. Which apparently Arianna Huffington didn't, because this is a press conference NOT to denounce violent video games and the industry, but to partner with them to raise awareness of the ratings system among parents.

Small potatoes and not exactly the large-scale leadership on more critical issues that Hillary ought to be demonstrating? Heck yeah. A reminder to us younger voters of the fact that she's chosen to triangulate here and trumpet it loudly, rather than more constructively address the concerns of parents from day one and realize this wasn't such a huge issue? Absolutely.

But it seems that at least on this particular thing, we'll see Hillary and Joe talking about how the industry listened to them rather than making loud noises and embarassing themselves. The past record gives folks every reasons to  be skeptical, and a its reminder that Hillary definitely does not currently have much youth appeal (especially compared to Obama, Edwards, and even Clark). But THAT's where the relevance of this ad campaign lies, not in its actual content.


by sip1983 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:44:35 PM EST

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Substantively, the bill looks better than what they were doing before.  But it's the nannyish disapproval and posing for the cameras that really matters here.


by Matt Stoller on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 05:49:35 PM EST
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I work in the video game industry for one of the most controversial game publishers out there.  (props to anyone who can guess...)

We hate Lieberman because of his sanctimonious and ignorant crusade against us.  When Clinton teamed up with Santorum against us she quickly fell out of favor with pictures of her photoshopped into various... shall we say, less than flattering positions, all over our office.  

That said, the ESA is incompetent.  What did they do when we were made a scapegoat for the ills of society?  They started the Gamer Voter Network or something as ridiculous sounding.  Voters don't vote based solely on the issue of video games.  The ESA needed to go on the offensive and educate consumers about our industry.  People associate gamers with kids, but the median age of a gamer is 28.  We're after the 18 - 34 year olds.  

I think this move is good.  They are finally EDUCATING consumers about the ratings.  They aren't demanding that we change our games.  At least, not yet.  They are showing PARENTS what to look for.  

I was showing off a super violent, gory and bloody game I was working on at a consumer event one time.  We built a closed off theater so we could manage who sees it.  We weren't letting anyone in under 17 unless they were accompanied by an adult.  I couldnt begin to tell you how many parents brought their small children in after we tried to tell them not to.  

Many of them started crying from what they saw.  

People like that should be sterilized.  No doubt their parenting skills are making each generation less than the one before.  


by dayspring on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:15:57 PM EST

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Rockstar


by Abraham Running For Congress When I Turn 25 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:24:05 PM EST
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I don't know... (none / 0)

Doesn't seem to fit...  I don't think a company that would produce a game about table tennis would do something so gory it would make small children cry.

Sure, GTA's were violent, but not particularly gory.

I guess THQ.


by Ugluks Flea on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:51:11 PM EST
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Which GTAs were you playing... they are pretty gory.  I would bet though he is referring to Manhunt, which was pretty graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Ga mes

Thare are several gory games here.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 10:35:40 PM EST
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Kinda sorta.  I work for 2K which is a subsidiary of Take-Two, Rockstar's parent company.   I used to work in the R* office.

Regardless, the game I'm currently working on which won't come out until next Spring is pretty gory.  It's definitely not shy about blood.


by dayspring on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:07:30 AM EST
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Yeah, as a parent, I really like those ratings. I've been dissatisfied with the rating information on movies several times, but -- knock wood -- never yet on a video game.

Sounds to me more like Hillary's trying to extend an olive branch to teenagers with this (I wouldn't imagine most older gamers are single-issue voters about gaming, but kids can get incredibly PO'd about authority figures acting condescending towards them, if you know what I mean.) It actually sounds like she's saying the rating system is responsible and things are under control. Maybe she's closing off old, unnecessary battles in preparation for her presidential run?


by tjekanefir on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:33:36 PM EST
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I was surprised when I found out how many parents completely ignore the ratings and buy their small, 7 year old child, games like GTA: Vice City.  The excuse?  "Oh, he doesn't understand, he just likes to drive around."  

It's this patronizing view of children that I dont understand.  Also, Vice City has a movie-like script replete with "fuck" and "shit" peppered throughout.  

The only parents I know of that follow the ESRB ratings are parents who work in the gaming industry.


by dayspring on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:09:56 AM EST
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This is why I don't think she is listening to Daou, because I would hope that he would tell he this is stupid.
by Bob Brigham on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:17:00 PM EST

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Interesting point.


by who threw da cat on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:44:18 PM EST
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Shades of Tipper Gore and the PMRC (none / 0)

This brings to mind Tipper's work with the PMRC. I think however, the youth vote really doesn't care about these little excursions. This is not a top line story.

Hillary will likely weather this and the youth vote won't suffer. And the young kids will just ignore it as they have most of the rating schemes.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but sine the new rating scheme went into place, isn't there now a game where XXX sex is a part of it?

The internet and games that can be modded are immune to this kind of thing, I would say.  Hillary is somehwat irrelevant, however, wouldn't you agree?


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by heyAnita on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:33:03 PM EST

I'm starting to think (none / 0)

that even running Dodd or Vilsack will be better for the longterm health of the party.


by Skaje on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:08:04 PM EST

D. O. A. (none / 0)


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by msnook on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:23:17 PM EST

This kind of idiocy... (3.00 / 1)


  ...is what breeds naderites.

 I don't condone becoming a naderite. But this is how they happen -- by Democrats wasting time and political capital on self-serving, mind-numbing banalities like this. This is what makes the Greens look so much more serious than the Dems in the eyes of so many young people.


by Master Jack on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:23:30 PM EST

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Hillary is the Lieberman of 2008.


by wayward on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:52:03 PM EST

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Please keep trashing democrats in the primary and stop whining when republicans take it all in 2008. Looks like 2008 will be a repeat of what happened to Lieberman (win the primary in a bitter fight and the divided democratic party will loose to a republican).

Keep up the good work!


by rakk on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 10:36:37 PM EST
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  Hillary Clinton thinks work is a four letter word uh?  What a bastard. Guess she can have the luxury of working in the US senate, which never meets or does work anyways, while I'm going to be working 60-100 hour weeks until I retire or drop dead at some pain in the ass professional job. Nice to know our politicians have their priorities straight.


by alexsycara on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:09:28 PM EST

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Even though HRC retracted that stupid comment.  I have to second this.  I am 26 and have been teaching for 5 years now, and getting teacher wages while she has spent her time raising ungodly sums of money by hanging with her friends, and making whatever stupid pay raise she voted for herself, and condoning this god-forsaken war, and supporting No Child Left Behind without the funding (which by the way added about 2 hours of bureaucratic bull a week to an already 65-70 work week for me, and not giving me the funding required) and working something like what 3 days (with Tuesdays and Thursdays as half days) a week in Congress for about like, what, 10 weeks a year (God it is like their in college, and considering the sex scandals.....).  You don't need 42 weeks to hang out in Oneonta to figure out what an upstate apple farmer needs (no offense toapple farmers).  She and anyone else who thinks people my age don't work our asses off can go to hell.

I don't mean to complain, because I love what I do, but come on.


by bhirsh26 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:57:39 PM EST
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With the caveats that actually reading the posts show this isn't the terrible thing that you make it out to be, I have to agree with the general idea.  My distaste for both Lieberman and Hillary was initially formed while I was in high school, not because of Lieberman's impeachment sanctimony crap or Iraq, but because of their video game sanctimony crap.  And I'm not alone in this.  Not that it seems like Hillary CARES to try to capture or motivate the youth vote in the first place.


Yours for the Revolution, Erik || Hope will heal us all.
by notapipe on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:16:36 PM EST

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I believe your going to see alot more of hillary and lieberman together.I think shes decided the way to win the pres election is to piss off the net roots and suck up to the lieberman republicans.lieberman won becouse of repugs.


by idahojim on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:29:21 PM EST

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At first glance, this makes me mad, but, after the contextualization, I do not have as much of a problem with it.  I think there should be an age/irony requirement on many games I enjoy (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and Destroy All Humans come to mind).  What concerns me is the pattern that Hillary is establishing.  And I think this is Stoller's point.  

Hillary has run as fast as she can to small stupid topics that can paint her as a moderate or allow her outflank conservatives on their right- the flag-burning amendment, her GTA: San Andreas flap, this, whatever the hell she isn't doing on Iraq. While at the same time she has failed to stake a position on anything substantial.  She is not an inspiring personality on television, like her husband, and she is not setting herself up to be inspiring on a policy front either.  Obama may lack substance right now, but at least he gives a good speech on TV.  I would want her to be inspirational in at least one of those ways if she were the Democratic nominee, but as of right now, I can see neither.

Having come of voting age in '98, I am more familiar with the incremental, "moderate" Bill Clinton of post-1995 (Welfare Reform, FCC deregulation,yuck) as opposed to the bolder 1992 campaign version (Universal Healthcare, Gays in the Military).  HRC seems to be following the later model.  I started paying attention to politics in 1996, and could not understand why any true liberal would have really cared to have voted for Clinton(then, I came to understand the repugnant nature of the GOP, and accepted the lesser evil argument about the Democrats).  Anyways, the point is HRC makes me not care.  I will still go to the polls because I hate the modern GOP, and that has defined my voting patterns and voting interest for the forseeable future.  But it is just not that way with others my age.  

You have to give them a reason to go vote.  Hillary has yet to do that, and she is amassing a track record which indicates that she won't give them a reason to go vote, much less become a part of the generational alignment that has been bandied about the left blogosphere.  Her politics are based on a pre-Iraq, pre-Katrina, pre-Bush mentality that assumes you have to moderate your message to win.  People my age aren't idiots, most of us can see when you are trying to moderate, and it just looks like you have no conviction, and lust for power.  If you are truly a centrist, great, but show some conviction to earn my respect.  Don't run around doing small symbolic stuff to try to thread a politic needle that doesn't even seem significant enough to have conviction about (OK that was convulted).  

So yeah this is foolish, but not destructive on her part.  Her general course is more cause for concern.  As someone who plays games, I could not care less as long as they don't start taking them off the shelves (which she did advocate for San Andreas), but I would assume I am even in the minority there.  My complaint isn't that I have generational beef with soccer moms. It is just that I want a vibrant party with an inspirational leader with the courage of her or his convictions.  Here endeth the rant.


by bhirsh26 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:41:13 PM EST

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The interesting thing about the small topic legislation focus is how this contrasts with Barack Obama.  Barack Obama has focused on a lot of small topics (e.g. the Obama-Coburn Transparency Act), but in contrast to Hillary's methods, he doesn't position himself on the right/establish his moderate(/anti-left) credentials via these topics (see this post for reference).  This difference, I think, is a lot of points in Obama's favor (relative to Hillary).


Yours for the Revolution, Erik || Hope will heal us all.
by notapipe on Fri Dec 08, 2006 at 01:39:41 AM EST
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