Late Night Thread

I'm finally emerging from my errands. Let me say this: any of you goody-two-shoes out there who favor campaign finance reform have never had to file a disclosure document with the FEC. I hate this stuff--it is like doing your taxes five extra times every year. This is almost single-handedly changing my views on campaign finance reform.

Anyway, enough of my whining. Here are some other items that have caught my eye:
  • TX-23: Does Ciro have more of a chance than previously thought? I wrote earlier today that if Latinos are 45% or more of the electorate next week, he probably wins. As it turns out, Latinos actually make up 65% of the new district, according to the census, not 55% as previously though. An enterprising commenter at Swing State Project discovered this little fact. The odds are still against Ciro, but it does give me more hope than before.

  • Mars: Turns out there is still liquid H2O on Mars. Awesome! Combine this with the talk of a permanent Moon base, and I growing excited about the notion of space travel again. Let's throw in at least one massively improved Hubble telescope and get back to exploring the stars. I know that when Bush rolled out the idea of going to Mars it was a crude political ploy to try and make him look visionary or something, and to district people from other problems. However, I do really like the idea of a permanent Moon base, and of going to Mars. Here is to hoping that one day soon the federal government can return to sound fiscal footing and then seriously pursue bold policies of discovery and wonder such as these. I think accomplishing either a permanent Moon base or a manned mission to Mars would be fantastic for both the country, and for humanity as a whole. The more bold moves we take to test the very limits of our abilities, the more we will learn about what we can accomplish.

  • Iraq Study Group: Senator Feingold states what desperately needed to be said on the Iraq Study Group on Countdown tonight. Check out Crooks and Liars for the video, and Dailykos for the transcript. I do love that man.

  • Obama: Digby, Pastor Dan, and Armando all comment on my Obama piece from Monday night. All are very sustentative, and worth a read. Democrats leaders of all types should read about this stuff, as it deals with the very heart of the notion of how we create a positive image for our party, stay unified, and seize the natural governing majority mantle. I will keep writing about this throughout the week, once I am freed from my FEC induced haze.

  • Adwatch: Why can't political ads look this good? Seriously. It would make a nice ad for a progressive candidate and a progressive message.

  • 2008: Kucnich might run again. I don't think he was exactly a very effective spokesperson for the left-wing of the party last time, but progressives are not exactly in abundance among the current crop of candidates. Still, I think his platform would have done a lot, lot better in 2004 if there was a more impressive candidate--even another member of the house--running on it.

    Markos has the latest, unstuffed, Dailykos straw poll. I know it was unstuffed because the percentages did not change form beginning to end. He also has his first cattle call. I generally agree with what he writes. I am not sure how I would separate what I see as clearly the top tier of Clinton, Edwards and Obama right now, as those three are very tight. I also think Richardson needs to be up with Clark in the second tier. Otherwise I think his rankings are on target.
This is a late-night thread. Discuss these and other topics.



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I think Markos may be close (3.00 / 1)

however, I think he left some important items out of consideration, and has grossly underestimated John Edwards draw.


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by dk2 on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:07:24 PM EST

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Russ was spot on!! Why can't he be running..arggggg.


Jeremy Bentham sucks!!
by Forward with Feingold on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:09:04 PM EST

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I absolutely agree about the space program.  The Bush legacy on space exploration, like many issues, may haunt us for years to come.  I strongly support the notion of a return to the moon, but the current vision for space exploration is effectively an unfunded mandate using Apollo era tech.  So it will all come at the expense of other NASA science programs.


by LPMandrake on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:11:20 PM EST

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That last sentence is the important one.

Space exploration is one thing, but when it defunds much more important scientific undertakings, then it's a bad idea.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 12:21:13 AM EST
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IMO it's even worse than that (none / 0)

Since Bush declared we wouldn't honor the strictures of SALT II (which was never ratified, anyway) the military has been licking it's lips at the broad range of space based weapons they will get us to pay for the research and deployment of.

NASA was formed during the Cold War with the underlying goal of fighting the soviets perceived technological space advantage by furthering technology and science, but the agency has had a hard time defending it's existance for the sake of furthering science to folks (read: republicans) who have no interest in furthering science whatsoever, unless it can make them a few bucks in the process.  

I'm looking for the military to be the ones running the show on the moon base thing, since there is very little gained, science-wise, from having one there that couldn't also be done on the ISS, since there is yet to be any solid evidence that there's any water to be had on the moon.


by Ugluks Flea on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 11:16:45 AM EST
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That ad was an expensive one to make. Really expensive. The shoot out in the field had a massive lighting crew, and the computer-generated stuff mixed in to match the outside stuff ... A progressive group probably would decide that a more rational use of resources would be to do a less expensive ad and spend the money on getting that ad seen by more people. I can't say that'd be an irrational choice.

I'd love for progressive ads to look like that, too, but ...


by BriVT on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:12:39 PM EST

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Definitely not too irrational.  Sure, it's good to spend some money on production to make your ads look good, but only up to a certain point.  Huge companies like the one that made this ad can get away with it because:

  1. They're huge and have lots of money to throw around
  2. Their advertising campaigns are much larger and target people in every part of the country, not just one congressional district - ie, they can spend the same percentage of their costs on production as a candidate would and they'd end up having a much nicer ad just because they're paying for a lot more ad time.

But I do agree progressives need better ads than what they've got now.  How about this one from BlueJersey's new Think Equal campaign, made on a budget of about $4000.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:30:05 PM EST
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woops (none / 0)

I screwed up the link: Think Equal


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:34:21 PM EST
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Kucinich Has a Purpose (none / 0)

In that he makes a solid liberal/progressive seem less nutty by comparison.


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by Anthony de Jesus on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:17:07 PM EST

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Re: campaign finance. the reason it is a pain in the ass is that it is a half-hearted baby step towards publicly funded elections. Just like medicare is full of annoying paperwork which would be streamlined by a nice easy single payer system.

Re: space. Returning to the moon without a good reason seems like a giant waste of money. It's going to take 20 years to do what apollo already did in 9. It doesn't inspire anyone to go back somewhere. Instead of spending countless billions on that, why don't we spend a few billion on useful science in an unmanned space program, and make our heroic and inspirational technology program, to spend countless billions on cleanly and renewably producing all our own energy by 2020.
Or we could rid the world of malaria and dysentary and AIDS.
(I bet for the price of one little war in Iraq we could accomplish all those goals, or at least suprecharge science education and American R&D in the effort)
I'm all for big inspirational science programs, but lets pick one that means something.


by jujube on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:37:21 PM EST

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Re: FEC disclosure - Ah, quit whining you big baby.

Re: Moon base - I guess we'll pay for all this with the money we saved by not invading Iraq. ...Wait a minute.


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by Stoic on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:37:33 PM EST

Space shows how government can (none / 0)

take on massive projects and make the country better for it.  The technological legacy of the NASA programs of the 1960's is with us still.  It reminds us that government can be more than a referee between interests in society.

It can provide us all with a purpose larger than our own personal self interests to pursue.  It's that vison thing.


by ManfromMiddletown on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:54:12 PM EST

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Feingold is really the most effective critic of the war in my opinion.  I hope we see more of him in the years to come even if he's not on the campaign trail to be Preident.


by blueryan on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 12:51:28 AM EST

Ranking the Candidates (none / 0)

I can understand why Hillary and Obama have been placed in the top tier.  I assume that's due to the heavy press attention they've been getting and the name recognition they have.

But why should John Edwards get the same billing and not Wesley Clark?  Sure, he ran for v-p, but despite that my recollection is he's way down in the polling.  And Edwards has had a much rockier time in internet polls than Clark over the last year, only now showing more strength with the withdrawal of Feingold and Warner.  And even then, he doesn't really pull into any kind of lead over Clark.

In the 2000 election, in fact, Edwards outperformed Clark during the time that they were both running.  

So what's the story?  


by catherineD on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 01:37:10 AM EST

Edwards has been working on many issues. (none / 0)

Minimum wage - actively traveling around the country,
Walmart - actively traveling around the country,
Unions - actively traveling around the country,

Poverty - with the Poverty Center at UNC and actively traveling the world, Darfur.

College for students who want it - set this in action in a county in NC.

Universal Health Care - traveling to Conferences

Internet and Blogging - traveling to Conferences

Improving america's image and international issues - several trips on the ground meeting with world leaders.

These are only a few the come to mind.

check out:

http://www.oneamericacommittee.com


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by dk2 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 09:50:56 AM EST
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No permanent base on the Moon. No Mars. (none / 0)

There is no way to establish a permanent base on the Moon or go to Mars without the ability to create a self-sustaining ecology in an environment where people can't even breathe without assitance.

We're not even close to knowing how to do this, even though people have been trying to do so, even using a very simplified ecology--like just shrimp and algae.  Remember the one attempt to do this in the US?  They couldn't sustain O2 levels, were suffering from CO2 surplus and most of the living things died?

Now this one was run by idiots.  But that's because only idiots would try this.

Getting to Mars is even harder.  You have to be able to create this self-sustaining ecology in a rocket ship.  You have to come up with some kind of propulsion system so that you're not trapped at burn and coast.  You need that, first, to simulate some gravity and second, to make the trip in a period of time that people can arrive in one piece and sane.

Oh, and you've also gotta pick people who will plan to stay there indefinitely, because there's no way to get back.

We're at least 100 years away from being able to make a round trip to Mars. And it may well be impossible. It may well require an entire planet and hundreds of millions of years to create a self-sustaining ecology.


by jayackroyd on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 07:49:12 AM EST

Re: No permanent base on the Moon. No Mars. (none / 0)

A moon base wouldn't have to be a whole lot more self-sustaining than the international space station is now. Might be feasible. But what's the point of starting such a project when the energy base and environmental infrastructure of our civilization down here on Earth is visibly going over a cliff? I would bet my house that this doesn't happen by 2025, and if it doesn't happen by then it won't happen this side of the next Dark Age.


by SqueakyRat on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 03:32:35 PM EST
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"Campaign Reform" a burden (none / 0)

I've hated it since 1974. The rich find loopholes; the poor get fined. Today's PACs-legalized bribery-are a direct result of older so-called reforms.

My proposals: The Reps raise and spend whatever they can get their hands on, but give us mandatory voting, like jury duty.

God must have loved the Democrats because he made so many of them.


by stevehigh on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:41:41 AM EST

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"Combine this with the talk of a permanent Moon base, and I growing excited."

Talk about health insurance for every American would be a lot more exciting. And until that's happened, and Halliburton's $2B/week boondoggle in Iraq is ended, talk of a moon base is just plain silly.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 12:47:48 PM EST


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