Retaking Offensive Language

At some point over the last three years, being a progressive ceased to just be an answer to a poll for me. By this point, it is an integral part of my life, and cannot be separated out from other facets. Even most of the people in my life who I would consider friends work in politics pretty much full-time. Sometimes, when we are just hanging out with one another and holding conversations that are akin to bullshitting, we will make jokes that are variations on the following themes:
  • It is because we hate religion so much that will lead us to do x.
  • It is because we hate America so much that we mention x.
  • It is because we don't stand for anything that we fight for x.
  • It is because we hate the troops that we support x.
  • It is because we are such liberal elites that we enjoy x.
Regular readers of blogs might see humor based on these themes appear in the blogosphere from time to time as well. Basically, we are taking the slurs the Republican Noise Machine has thrown at progressives for decades and transforming them into internal jokes. While the invectives tossed our way are nowhere nearly as damaging and dangerous as the hate-speech the African-American and GLBT communities have dealt with for decades (or even centuries), the spirit of taking those hateful words and re-claiming them as your own is nearly identical. The idea is to take those words and rid them of their power. Or at least that is the idea.

Last night, I was watching Dave Chappelle on Inside The Actor's Studio. During the interview, his use the n-word came up. Chappelle talked about how he used the word in his comedy, and he used it among his friends and, yes, he believed he was helping to remove some of the power from the word when he did so. However, he was still extremely upset when any white person would use the word, no matter the context. Now, I want to make it clear that even though being a progressive political activist has somehow settled into the core of my being, I am fully aware that the slurs sent toward progressives are not nearly as vicious toward my entire human persona as the n-word has been toward African-Americans (or many other words toward many other groups). Still, after the discussion on left-wing strawmen last night I at least felt I understood where Chappelle was coming from on this (even if I could never appreciate the intensity, given our differing situations). When I make jokes of the sort I listed above to my progressive, political activist friends, or even when I make them in public on MyDD, that feels fine to me. But whenever I hear someone outside those groups making the same comments--whether or not they are meant as jokes--it makes me really upset.

Left-wing strawmen of the sort I list above were developed and perpetuated by the conservative movement over the last thirty years as a means of tarnishing the entire left with those stereotypes. The stereotypes were used not to depict fringe left-wing positions, but rather to try and identify anyone who identified as a liberal, a progressive, or even as a Democrat with those positions. Bill Clinton is a good example of this. He governed absolutely as a centrist, but was still identified by the right with every single one of those stereotypes. The right-wing does not use these stereotypes to help the vast majority of Democrats seem reasonable compared to a fringe left, but to make the entire left the equivalent of the fringe left, no matter how much any individual Democrat, liberal or progressive sought to distance himself or herself from those stereotypes. Bill Clinton will be hit just as badly, if not worse, than use crazy, military-hating, religion-hating, extremist, vulgar, anti-American, overly partisan bloggers.

When wielded by someone outside the left, these stereotypes serve no other purpose than to tarnish the entire left, and to give the right power over the left. Whenever anyone on the right or in the established media brings up those stereotypes, then that is the exact purpose that person is serving. Whenever anyone who is implicated in those stereotypes--Democrats, progressives and liberals--wields them in public and is not joking, I fail to see how that person is not doing exactly the same thing. Personally, it feels worse to me when that happens, because I feel betrayed by that person. It makes me feel as though that person, who is personally damaged by those stereotypes and strawmen, would rather have the favor of the people who invented those stereotypes and strawmen, instead of with his or her fellow Democrats, liberals or progressives. It also helps make those brutally unfair stereotypes and strawmen real, because conservatives can point to yet another Democrat, liberal to progressive who has validated whatever ridiculous invective that was being used.

Are there people on the left who take these extreme positions? Yes. However, they have no national presence, and no national microphone. It is virtually impossible to find any prominent Democrats, liberals or progressives who states that any mention of God was a theocracy, that the war in Iraq was just about oil, that American soldiers are baby killers, that the free market should be abolished, that America is itself an evil empire, and so on. The reason it is impossible to find any Democrats, progressives and liberals with a prominent role in Democratic, liberal or progressive politics who make any of these statements is because virtually none of them hold any of these positions. Further, these stereotypes are almost more effective because they are hurled at a general population, but referring to a specific and very small population that has no means of talking back. Right-wing news sources will of course find a couple willing stooges to speak on behalf of these positions (same random professor, blogger or person who brings a lawsuit against saying the pledge), and hold them up as someone the entire left must defend. This is because, for some reason, the left is responsible for the statements and beliefs of every single person who has ever shown up to one of our events, while the right-wing is not even responsible for the outrageous statements of officials who have been elected to federal office statewide. The lack of equivalence is astounding.

All of this brings me to a few thoughts for further discussion:
  • I don't know if making internal jokes based on the stereotypes and strawmen the right wing hurls at all Democrats, liberals and progressives helps us diffuse the power of those stereotypes. I'm not convinced it works for other groups either.

  • Having people implicated in those stereotypes repeat those stereotypes in public and for serious does in fact hurt all Democrats, liberals and progressives. We are all implicated in these stereotypes and strawmen. These stereotypes and strawmen exist only to implicate all of us. When they are repeated by anyone in a serious manner, that is exactly the purpose they continue to serve. I agree with what Des Moines Dem wrote in the comments last night:

    I'm Jewish. How do you think other people would like it if I went on tv and said, "All too often Jews are greedy and try to cheat other people. We need to remember to be honest in our business dealings, whether our customers are fellow Jews or gentiles."
    I can't imagine that would improve the image of Jews in general.

  • Maybe this doesn't, and won't, bother most Democrats, liberals and progressives because they do not identify with their politics as strongly as I do. Maybe when they hear other Democrats saying this, some actually feel reinforced. However, it hurts them none the less.

  • Even if the use of stereotypes and strawmen of this nature is not a large or frequent part of a prominent Democrat, liberal, or progressive's public speech, we all have to realize that the media is desperate to pounce on any use of these strawmen from Democrats, liberals and progressives. The frequency with which the media misquotes Democrats in this regard is proof positive of this. They want to see these statements, even when they are not there. It will be worked into the overall media narrative about you, even if it is not at all prominent.

  • We have to change the incentive system on the use of this language. The established media, certain centrist Democratic groups, and the right-wing are extremely eager to reward Democrats for making public and serious use of these stereotypes and strawmen. Democrats who make these statements will be granted a meager form of power, typically on Sunday morning talk shows or on cable news nets, in return for making these statements. A series of leaders on the Democratic side, both among party leaders and among presidential candidates, need to make a series of public statements indicating that this sort of behavior is unacceptable and that we can't run against our own party and still hope to lead it. If the netroots and party leaders both make it clear that the use of these stereotypes and strawmen will result in a loss of power within the party, then we can de-incentivize the use of these strawmen and stereotypes. And that will be good for all Democrats, liberals and progressives.

  • Expect me, and many other activists like me, to continue to be offended when Democrats wield these stereotypes against themselves. I will not chill out, and it will affect my behavior in intra-party matters.

  • Expect the right and the media to continue to salivate over the possibility of Democrats using these stereotypes and strawmen against other Democrats. For example, Instapundit immediately jumped on the Obama bandwagon for one of his comments the other day:
    "One good test as to whether folks are doing interesting work is, Can they surprise me?" he tells me. "And increasingly, when I read Daily Kos, it doesn't surprise me. It's all just exactly what I would expect."

    Unlike Clinton, who had to show his independence from the urban black base of his party, Obama will have to show his independence from the urban white base of his party. . . .
    The right desperately wants a Democratic hero to Sistah Souljah the netroots. They will pounce on any opportunity to make it happen.
Over the long-term, I don't really know what can be done to fully remove the damaging impact of language of this sort. For that matter, I don't think that anyone knows for certain what is to be done to solve the far more serious and long-standing problem of the use of speech such as the n-word. But I do know that this is a big problem, and I am not wrong to focus on it. I don't see anything remotely equivalent to this on the right, and I think it is one of the big reasons why Democrats have not buried Republicans in terms of partisan self-identification, and why liberals have not further closed the ideological self-identification gap on conservatives. Given that self-identifying liberals are the second most likely group to vote for Democrats, and self-identifying Democrats are the third most likely, accomplishing both goals are essential to all Democrats and to a long-term Democratic governing majority. We need more Democrats and we need more liberals, and but we won't get them by reifying stereotypes about either group. This is a major roadblock to our goals, and we have to deal with it head-on.

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Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

Shorter version: Take it to the republican opposition and their "conventionl wisdom" enablers, not to each other.


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by Michael Bersin on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 02:22:24 PM EST

Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

great follow-up from last night.  I'm glad you came back with a focused post on your main point.

I thought the criticism on you in yesterday's post focused too much on specific phrases you quoted, rather than the overall point that Democrats repeating right-wing stereotypes is never a good thing.

Also, I thought there some implication that because Obama was making these statements, he understands the "nuance", and thus he is allowed to use them.  I think that's bs.  There is no need for any Democrat, liberal, or progressive to ever use a right-wing stereotype for personal gain.


by Ian Campbell on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 02:45:44 PM EST

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Do right-wingers do this too?

I have a feeling the answer is no, but maybe I just don't know.


by JoeFelice on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 02:47:19 PM EST

What Obama did not do (none / 0)

Regarding Obama's answer to the church-state separation question I have come to the conclusion that he did not attack the left. Also, he never meant to do that.

Obama is a former professor of law and used to debate issues in a highly abstract way. What he did is common among academics - you stake out theoretical extremes and then you position yourself in relation to them. He did not single out any specific group or person when talking about the extreme position of outlawing religious talk, because he did not mean to refer to any such group. He was only referring to a philosophical position.

I am 100% certain that Obama has noble intentions and he must learn to be more careful when discussing theoretical issues, so that his arguments are not misunderstood. Like they were in this case.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 03:03:27 PM EST

Re: What Obama did not do (none / 0)

I'm certain that what he's doing is inadvertant. It doesn't change the fact that he's doing it, and it doesn't change the fact that it's hurting us.


by pluto101 on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 03:30:26 PM EST
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Well (none / 0)

Whether or not "he's doing it" is what we are debating here, so your comment begs the question. He is not attacking anyone, that is precisely my point. He is not "doing it".


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 05:01:51 PM EST
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Re: Well (3.00 / 1)

No, he's not attacking anyone, but he's reinforcing a stereotype.

He's not singleing anyone out, but his words evoke a certain characature of the left. For us, that characature only applies to our commie friend in college, but to many out there, his words evoke an image of us, and even of major leaders of the Democratic party.

What he's saying is that "I'm not like that. I'm not one of them," instead of simply "I'm not like that." Even better, why doesn't Obama just choose to act as an example of a progressive who isn't afraid to evoke God?

This is what made his 2004 speech so great - he stood up for progressive values while making the point that no one isn't afraid of God, that they just have different ways of expressing it. Same goes for all the other bogeymen of the left.

Now I see him activly using these strawmen to distance himself from the left. He may think he's saying, "I'm not some crazy left-wing nut, I'm just like you." What they're hearing is "I'm not some blogger, some Hillary Clinton type, I'm just like you."

And frankly, considering how his speeches are all I have to go on for the past two years, his words are making me wonder if he really is like us.


by pluto101 on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 06:25:11 PM EST
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It's not what you say, it's what they hear (none / 0)

He didn't say anything that directly attacked the left. But what people did hear reinforced the worst of the attacks on the left, strengthened them, and damaged the left's ability to attract anyone who has ever contemplated the veracity of those attacks.

I don't care if you didn't feel directly offended -- you were forsaken so that Barack Obama could look good (and by "good" I mean "not-left") for the middle 10% of the electorate.

The real debate is about just how many of our party's leaders don't realize that there is no such thing as a middle 10%, there is no such thing as the fabled 50.1%. Downs was wrong about USA2006 -- and so, it seems, is Barack Obama.


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by msnook on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:02:58 PM EST
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Re: What Obama did not do (none / 0)

when i read obama's comments, i never would have thought in a million years that anyone would take offense.

maybe it's because, as chris said, the LGBT community is used to far worse.


by eddersen on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 04:05:38 PM EST
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Re: What Obama did not do (none / 0)

I wouldn't say I take offence, exactly. But certainly I don't see these comments as productive, I actually see them as detrimental. They remind me of Lieberman's disdain for the left.

If he's actually using language like this, when I have nothing to go on for the past two years but his speeches, then I'm not sure he's the kind of Democrat I want running in '08. I don't want our Presidential nominee to be willing to evoke imagery that harms the party in order to improve his own image.


by pluto101 on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 06:28:51 PM EST
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Who defines the terms? (3.00 / 2)

Part of the problem with self-identification is that liberals have unilaterally disarmed in the fight to define the other side. Conservatives have very successfully defined the liberal label by using the very strawman techniques that you describe. Yet liberals have a maddening tendency to accept conservatism as the admirable ideal that conservative marketers have branded it as. I can't begin to count the posts and comments in the liberal blogosphere where conservatives are criticized for not really being conservative, as if conservatism is actually an admirable and principled force for good, and Bush's problem is that he's not truly conservative.

We need to define conservatism. Conservatism sucks. At its root it is fear-based authoritarianism. It is at odds with the noble ideals upon which our country was founded. This is a game we can win if we just show up and play.


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by miasmo on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 03:04:16 PM EST

Re: Who defines the terms? (none / 0)

Conservativism is nothing but a more insecure and more selfish aristocracy.


by One Hand Clapping on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 07:32:42 PM EST
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"Pre-1776" Mentality (3.00 / 1)

Russ Feingold used this phrase to describe president Bush's wiretapping scheme. It's a great start for defining conservatism.


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by msnook on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:09:27 PM EST
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Re: Retaking Offensive Language (3.00 / 2)

Chris-

Why do you hate America?

(it's actually my favorite response to anyone about anything...slowly renders the phrase meaningless)


by Natural on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 03:42:52 PM EST

Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

I noticed this stuff happening on another forum except with a slight difference.

Instead of using it to defuse the power of those words it was generally used to insult conservatives.  One thing to keep in mind as a difference is that the people who used that stuff are seen to have lost and the power has shifted.


by sterra on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 04:09:35 PM EST

Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

An interesting idea. Could you expand on it a little more?
by Chris Bowers on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 04:26:05 PM EST
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My father taught me a saying (none / 0)

My father taught me a saying when I was growing up in india. It is an old buddhist saying

"Words, are merely a finger pointing to the moon"

Chris, you seem to be assigned the job of dealing with numbers. What I find interesting is how this job has never repelled you from the inherent lack of meaning that we discover when we switch our language from words to the more powerful art of math

I have two masters degrees, one in physics, the other in computer science.

I like to write children's stories, but thats about it. I dont get bent out of shape either way when someone is using boorish language.

In the early days, better language simply meant better breeding. Now, people can copy and emulate almost anything but the core of them will be empty if they themselves are not truly all there.

Its better we just simply move on


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by heyAnita on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 04:38:16 PM EST

Re: My father taught me a saying (none / 0)

I have a master's degree, and completed everything biut the dissertation, in English. Along with avant-garde poerty, my focus was on critical theory, including the philosophy of language.

Just sayin'. I know much more about language than I will ever know about numbers.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 04:52:09 PM EST
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Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

You're right about the power.  If you give them the power, they will use it to hurt you.  


by dkmich on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 06:43:11 PM EST

We can't use those attacks against them either (none / 0)

the way real progress happens is not to take the power for yourself, but to diffuse it.

To get past this era in which these sorts of attacks work, we must make the attacks themselves seem vain and primitive.


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by msnook on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 08:32:26 PM EST

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I'm not only progressive but, half french.  I have been doing inside jokes with my siblings for years about being french but, in the past few years it's in the same league as progressives in a righties mind.  I'm not sure which they concider the worse...


by vwcat on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 09:28:28 PM EST

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Exactly demonstrating Chris's point!  These "freedom fries" republicans seem to have conveniently never heard of a Frenchman named Le Pen...


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by CranesAreFlying on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:16:24 PM EST
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roll your eyes if you have to (3.00 / 1)

But here's a good Chomsky excerpt on the use of straw men language in politics:

""Support our troops." Who can be against that? Or yellow ribbons. Who can be against that? Anything that's totally vacuous.

In fact, what does it mean if somebody asks you, Do you support the people in Iowa? Can you say, Yes, I support them, or No, I don't support them? It's not even a question. It doesn't mean anything.

That's the point. The point of public relations slogans like "Support our troops" is that they don't mean anything. They mean as much as whether you support the people in Iowa. Of course, there was an issue. The issue was, Do you support our policy? But you don't want people to think about that issue. That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything. Its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from a question that does mean something: Do you support our policy?"

I stumbled across this while researching a paper a couple weeks ago.


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by CranesAreFlying on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:41:06 PM EST

Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

How about, "That's just the type of traitor I am.  Afterall, I oppossed the Iraq War from the beginning?"

I think that's what Ann Coulter calls us--traitors.  At least that's what I heard.  I try to stay as far away from her as I can.

The one problem with the Bowers--Chappelle approach is that some people don't or won't get it.  If you aren't a racist and you hear Dave Chappelle saying the N word, it can be a real shock, especially for an unsophisticated guy like me, who didn't get it at first.  I thought the black people I heard using this word were nuts.  Finally, someone explained it to me.

This is why I like the above statement.  It tells the right-wing noise machine. "You can't hurt us by calling us traitors and oh yeah, you were wrong when you did call us traitors over our opposition to the Iraq War."  

So, we need phrases that the right used against us, where we were it is undebatable that we were wrongly libeled and every reasonable person out there recongnizes that we have since been proven right.


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by gunnar on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 12:54:10 AM EST

Re: Retaking Offensive Language (3.00 / 1)

This reminds me of the way in which conservatives have also demonized feminism. They are constantly setting up feminist strawmen (women who hate men, sex, whatever) in order to discredit work for gender equality. There is a very common phenomenon known as the "I'm not a feminist, but..." problem that has been discussed within gender studies in which many young women who have grown up with the negative stereotypes of feminism but believe in gender equality refuse to associate themselves with the feminist movement. The same thing has happened with liberalism/leftism. The words "liberal" and "the left" have become so tarnished by people on the right that too many otherwise liberal/leftist people fear to claim the title for themselves.

The way in which feminists have begun to deal with this problem is to loudly claim the title "feminist" for themselves. Their visibility itself helps undermine the stereotypes as most feminists do not hate men or sex or any other random BS thing that conservatives throw out there.

The problem that I see with what Obama is doing is that he offers a liberal/leftist vision, but is afraid to claim the title. He is pulling the "I'm not a liberal, but...". In so doing, he helps perpetuate the stereotype, because  then his obviously liberal/leftist ideas become disassociated from liberalism, but the negative stereotype remains. Its not about whether he is pinning himself somewhere on the "liberalism scale". By refusing to claim the title for himself he is essentially repudiating liberalism itself. When he does so, he legitimizes the idea that liberalism is "icky" and something to maintain distance from. He is not helping us by doing so. And he's probably more likely to do things that undermine liberals in order to prove his distance from the term.

Maybe he doesn't think that that's his job to help reinvigorate liberalism; maybe its not his job. But I personally would prefer someone who is proud of their liberal stands and who will embrace the term. Stereotypes flourish when there is no one real to point to that shows how inaccurate they are. We need candidates who we can point at and say "this is what a liberal looks like". That is the only real way that we will be able to undermine the right's characterizations of us.


by taraleigh on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 01:48:25 AM EST

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well.  stereotypes are always sensitive topics.  there's the irish drunk.  but sure enough, you go to ireland, and while you might get your ass kicked to make comments in support of that stereotype to them, the thing is.   and while a great many of them aren't drunk.  you look around.  and.  well.  there's more pubs in a 1 mile radius than there are starbucks here in america.  

so.  yes.  while it's perfectly understandable that the netroots would be offended by some of obama's comments, the thing is.  dailykos is predictable.  the comments.  the opinions.  the tone.  etc.  there is very little one would see on some liberal blogs where one would go "wow.  i didn't expect to see that."   precisely.  these forums do exist to provide a comfort zone for lierals.

just like FNC and conservative blogs provide a comfort zone for conservatives.

i would suggest to obama.  amend your comment like this:  

"One good test as to whether folks are doing interesting work is, Can they surprise me? And increasingly, when I read blogs -- conservative or liberal -- they don't surprise me. It's all just exactly what I would expect."


by Stewieeeee on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 01:12:58 PM EST

Re: Retaking Offensive Language (none / 0)

Great post!


by jimpol on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 01:49:51 PM EST

Can they surprise me? (none / 0)

"Can they surprise me?"? What kind of  a bullshit arbitrary yardstick is that? There's nothing particularly interesting about cleaning toilets, but it needs to get done. Is it surprising that Republicans are corrupt and are ruining the country for the sake of a wealthy few? Not at all. Well, I guess if it's not surprising, then it's not interesting, so then it must not be a worthwhile endeavor. Whatever. What bullshit! What smug elitist bullshit. As if the very fact of hundreds of thousands of ordinary citizens engaging with each other about politics is not in and of itself enough for Obama to find "interesting." Spare me.


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by miasmo on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 02:21:18 PM EST


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