Primary Open Thread

Calitics is doing good work tracking Ellen Tauscher (including video).  She's a real problem for Democrats, and should face a serious challenge.  As I see groups like Third Way gaining more influence on Capitol Hill, it's becoming increasingly clear that the progressive movement is way behind in some critical infrastructure areas.  At the same time, we cannot stop putting pressure on people like Tauscher, who empowers Third Way style policy people.

By the way, the President of Third Way, Jonathan Cowan, was a strong advocate of privatizing Social Security, saying that "this entire discussion is really a discussion that's at the heart of whether there's a future for the Democratic Party."  Now, I don't know if the Democrats are really going to work on Social Security 'fixes' with the White House, which would be incredibly stupid.  I've spoken with one high level business-friendly Democrat who really wants to modify the program in a bipartisan manner, seeing it as a matter of political bravery to do so.  

It's a really really awful idea, and it's terrible politics.  That said, I don't think it's completely off the table.  It's the kind of stupid trick that centrist Democrats will want to run in parallel with very hard core investigations of the President as proof that they aren't one of us hippies.  That's why pressure on people like Tauscher is really important.  

This started off as an open thread, but it's turned into a warning about Third Way and why primaries are critical.  

So to get back to the open threadiness spirit, who else should be primaried?  



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Ellen Tauscher to a great extent reflects her district, which is the suburban East Bay east of the  Berkeley-Oakland Hills. There are a lot of nominal Republicans there, and she tends to appeal to them.


by publictransit on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:23:13 PM EST

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are Sandia and LLNL in the district?


by dblhelix on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:47:28 PM EST
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Yeah, Livermore is in CA-10

But here's the deal. Tauscher ran in a pretty evenly split district when she beat Bill Baker, who was a conservative.  However, after the 2000 census, CA-10 was redistricted into what is now a Dem safe seat.  Much of the iffy areas in the district (including Danville and Pleasanton) were shoved into CA-11 (Jerry McNerney's new seat).  CA-10 went for Kerry at about a 59% clip.  That my friends, is a safe Dem seat.

Now, Ms. Tauscher has a perfectly acceptable voting record.  But she belittles the grassroots and undercuts her party.  That is not acceptable for any Congress member, let alone a safe Dem seat.


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by utbrian on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:06:54 PM EST
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Correct! (3.00 / 1)

Voting record is only one part of the picture.

A person with a good voting record, but who's constantly working to move the party closer to K-street and farther from the people should be thought of in terms of the latter, using the former as a shield.  And that's Ellen Tauscher in a nutshell.

She seems to have realized she's shot herself in the foot a few times.  So she might stop doing that so much.  But that's just adding insult to injury.  The real damage is the injury, not the insult, and stopping the insult doesn't stop the injury.


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 09:41:59 PM EST
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'. . . who else should be primaried?'

Max Baucus, Mary Landrieu, Al Wynn.


by edwardpig on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:25:31 PM EST

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if we primaried Landrieu, we'd be sure to lose LA, instead of just leaning towards losing it.  If we primared Baucus, it'd be a disaster.  I'm all for primarying Al Wynn though.


by Terryus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:29:19 PM EST
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Jane Harman ?


by Arthurkc on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:52:50 PM EST
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Wynn, definitely.  Baucus, definitely NOT. I'd rather go for the at-large House seat instead.

Landrieu, I'm not sure about.  Show me a Democrat who would be more likely than Landrieu to hold the seat for the Dems, and then we'll talk.


by admiralnaismith on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:00:02 PM EST
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We aren't going to win the at-large seat with Baucus on the ballot, his triangulation against other Democrats undercuts their campaigns. In fact, we lost the seat with Baucus on the ballot.


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by Bob Brigham on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:41:57 PM EST
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Schwietzer will be on the 08 ballot too.  I'd expect him to focus on statehouse races, but if an at-large candidate wanted to run hard, he/she could team up with Schwietzer and ignore Baucus.

I kindof doubt Baucus will be in a real race anyway, though I could be wrong.  Also, our presidential candidate will probably have more influence on how the at-large Dem is able to run than Baucus.

In 2010 neither Tester nor Schweitzer nor Baucus nor a president will be on the ballot, just the at-large race.  That might be the time to go for Rehberg.


by texas dem on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:00:08 PM EST
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I think Rehberg is going to run against Baucus, which makes a primary all the more critical to set up a sweep because I don't see how we could even win an open seat with Baucus on the ballot (ie 96). You can't ignore Baucus, he'll have the most money so he'll own the coordinated campaign and even Schweitzer will have a tough time with the way Baucus campaigns.

At the very least, all of the heat Baucus is receiving from Montana Dems will hopefully keep him from being the swing vote for Cheney.

What I'm hearing is that Baucus is going to get primaried and if so, I think it makes a lot of sense for the netroots to pile on.


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by Bob Brigham on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:09:04 PM EST
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Baucus?  No chance.

Landrieu?  Worry about keeping the seat in Democratic hands; she barely won in 2002, and the Louisiana Democratic Party has been consistently weakening over the last few years.


by v2aggie2 on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:31:59 AM EST
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I say we should primary Alcee Hastings, Bill Jefferson as many times as it takes, Al Wynn, maybe Alan Mollohan if we can find a winning candidate.

We should primary Sylvestre Reyes too, since that retard thought that Al Qaeda was Shia, and didn't know what the fuck Hezbollah/Hezbullah/Hizbullah/Hizbollah was.


by Terryus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:31:14 PM EST

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I'm uncomfortable with four of five targets being non-white...


by CT student on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:17:37 PM EST
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I'd be uncomfortable if their challengers were all white, but those ones in particular stand out as corrupt or stupid to me.  

Anyways, it's practically a certainty that Hispanics and blacks will hold those four districts.


by Terryus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 06:30:44 PM EST
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Minorities and Corruption (none / 0)

I agree with you on their general crumminess, but there's definitely a willingness (that I don't think originates in blogs) to see minorities as corrupt faster than we see whites as corrupt.

I can't imagine that the MA or NJ delegations would hold up to the kind of scrutiny the CBC gets.


by CT student on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 09:18:33 PM EST
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True, but (none / 0)

I just took the first ones to come to mind.  And Wynn and Reyes weren't about corruption, if they were white I'd nail em just the same.  We don't need a congressman who gives Bush BJs (metaphorically of course) or one who doesn't know shit about terrorists.


by Terryus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 10:44:16 PM EST
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Reyes ignorance, although shocking and lamentable, is not grounds for primarying him if he makes an effort to be more informed in future.

Also, you haven't got a hope in hell of unseating an incumbent in a primary if your best argument is "He doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia."

My vote would be Marty Meehan, if he doesn't run for Senate.

However, we should take care not to become a sort of bizarro Club for Growth. The impetus for primaries should generally come from within the constituency. I'm all for supporting the most progressive candidate with a chance to win the general, but trying to start a challenge where there's no stomach for it is a) unlikely to be a productive activity and b) playing into the urban elites talking point of less than beloved memory.


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by Englishlefty on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 06:55:19 PM EST
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He at least needs to be off intel (none / 0)

make Rush Holt or somebody the chair, not that idiot Reyes.


by Terryus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 10:40:49 PM EST
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Silvestre Reyes doesn't need a primary, he just doesn't need to be chair of the Intel Committee.  He's a former border patrol agent and he knows how to represent El Paso Texas just fine.


by texas dem on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:02:44 PM EST
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You're REALLY Clueless About Hastings (none / 0)

There's a damn good reason that Hastings was elected to Congress after being acquitted.  It was a big F-You to the powers that be.  And that's because there's a long, l-o-n-g history of whites doing everything imaginable to destroy black leaders.

Does this provide cover for corrupt politicians?  Absolutely, it does.  But the way to fight back is not with a blunderbus--and that's exactly what you're suggesting.

Jefferson is actively involved in ongoing corruption, and he should be--God willing--indicted very soon.  In which case, all the efforts at distancing from him will be all to the good, nationally.  There will be resentment locally, but that, too will pass, particularly if they get a good, competent replacement who reallyt makes things happen in the crucial rebuilding department.

Hastings is an entirely different matter.  There is no evidence whatsoever that he's involved in anything shady.  Going after him looks like a purely racial vendetta--whether you intend it that way or not.  It's one thing to keep him from being a high-profile face of the party, but to try to get rid of him will breed buckets of bad blood like you wouldn't believe.

And it would all be well-deserved.  It shows just an incredible degree of historical insensitivity.


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 09:54:48 PM EST
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Your analysis on Hastings is kind of belittled by the fact that John Conyers was the one to initiate impeachment proceedings against him.

I agree with you on Jefferson though.


by Terryus on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 10:42:21 PM EST
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Re: You're REALLY Clueless About Hastings (none / 0)

I invite you to go try and sell this to the people of Hasting's district.

I really do.

My only regret is that I would not be there to watch, with my bag of Orville Redenbacher's in my hand.


by Paul Rosenberg on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:19:04 PM EST
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Thanks for the hat tip Matt.  We have gotten a lot of attention from it.  Hotline was on it today.  Things are progressing nicely to have a real challenge to ET.


by juls on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:35:07 PM EST

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I will shred this later, but Marinucci of the Chron wrote this today.


by juls on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 08:28:02 PM EST
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Bipartisan (1.00 / 0)

Finding a bipartisan solution to fixing Social Security- which eats up more of the national budget than any other program- that doesnt include privatization is a stupid trick? Ha. Haha.
No wonder you dont like Obama, Stoller.
by AC4508 on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:38:25 PM EST

Re: Bipartisan (none / 0)

Social Security is pretty much self-funding, and really only needs some tweaks to keep it solvent out beyond 40 years, and through the Baby boomer "crisis" years.

And it's always there for the government to tap into to fund tax cuts for the rich and people who like to type, "Ha Ha Ha" instead of offering any kind of evidence in support of, or to counter an argument.

That's a stupid republican trick.


by JohnGor0 on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 04:49:24 PM EST
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Re: Bipartisan (none / 0)

Social Security was aimed at giving people over 65 pensions 60 years ago. The problem is, my friend, that people live a lot longer now than they did in the 1940s when this plan was hatched. That combined with the stagnant population growth means there are fewer people working today to support the larger elderly population. So there is a twofold problem: one being that this program has bloated beyond what it was supposed to, and two that there is going to be a fiscal problem in the future. The system will not collapse as the President said, but it will not continue to pay out in full if changes arent made.
So whats the problem with raising the retirement age/encouraging private accounts outside the system and eliminating the Social Secuirty tax barrier on those earning over, what,m $120,000? Thats a plan that could draw bipartisan support, and just 10 years ago a majority of Democrats under President Bush supported it. But guys like Stoller insist on fighting fire with fire. We cant work with Republicans, we have to out-Republican Republicans with intense partisanship. Compromise is a vice not a virtue according to some of the "leaders" of the progressive movement; earlier in the year Sen. Feinstein showed interest in promoting private accounts outside of the system and was branded as a traitor on this website. That IS laughable!
I understand the sentiment that compromising on universal health care or getting out of Iraq is just wrong, but to slight the opposition on every issue? Thats stupid. Since when did pragmatism become such a horrible idea? I hope dearly that our party doesnt go the way of Stoller and become liberal Tom Delays. Obama wants to move away from that style of slash-and-burn politics, which Stoller reads as weakness (or not being able to stand up for yourself in a bar fight) and thats essentially the crux of his opposition to Obama.

by AC4508 on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 06:17:47 PM EST
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Do some research (3.00 / 0)

The Economic Right is lying on Social Security. Not just wrong, or ideologically hostile. Lying.

Read the financials. Social Security is more likely than not to be overfunded going forwards. People who gained all their knowledge about Social Security from the MSM kind of overlap with those who gained all their initial knowledge about WMD from the MSM. In each case they don't and didn't 'know' things they thought they knew.

If you haven't examined the tables and figures and come up with an independent decision about whether Intermediate Cost is more or less likely than Low Cost you quite literally do not know what you are talking about.

It is not broke. And I base that not only on ten years of reading the Annual Reports and examining how the projections were systematically fixed around a specific curve.
What is the Low Cost Alternative But also examining the balance as of Oct 31st and comparing that to either Intermediate Cost or Low Cost dollar projections for 2006.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/dfi/dfit rustfundreport.htm
Or you can trust me when I say we are running well ahead.

Social Security is not broke. At all. Any attempts to compromise simply come from a position of ignorance or malice. I can't do much for malignity but I have a whole website set up to supply links to the numbers.
http://bruceweb.blogspot.com/

For that matter I have 8 MyDD diaries on this dating from November of 2004 to January of this year.

The Republican Party is lying to us about Social Security. Just like they lie about everything else. The American economy has not and will not perform down to the degree required by Intermediate Cost.

We don't compromise on Social Security because we don't need to. Simple as that.


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by Bruce Webb on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 06:45:02 PM EST
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Well hold up a second. I think the "no compromise, no change" on social security right now would be very bad. Social WILL be a problem, beecause the presidents of the past have dipped into it and taken some 2.4 trillion from it, so yes, something DOES need to be fixed here.

The solution I think should have been implemented, and would have if another SCOTUS justice had voted another way (O'Conner), would be the Clintonian plan of using the ~200 billion surplus of SS each year to pay down the National Debt, which would do 2 things: Reduce (or eliminate) the 10% of our federal budget each year that goes to paying off interest on the national debt, which would then give us more discretionary spending in the future to pay back our debt to the SS Trust fund, without reducing benefits or really screwing anyone else over. This solution would also have another economic impact - lowering the interest rates of the future (see: The Crowding Out Effect). Unfortunately, we had Bush, who of course squandered every surplus in history and put us into extreme debt. This political solution cannot be pursued until there is at least a $200 billion surplus, which we haven't seen since 2000, and in todays world, would require tax raises and spending cuts, both which would be unpopular. I think that if this strategy were to be pursued, it should be under a Democratic president in '08, under a Democratic Congress in the beginning part of the session.

Another strategy would be to invest the surplus each year into the market (this is done by state governments all across the nation), where the interest generated would be enough to pay for the boomer retirement in the future. In addition, since big businesses would benefit, they would be paying more taxes via corporate taxes. Perhaps to further compensate for their successes, you could add another top-tier tax bracket for businesses, and through that not drastically increase the deficit, while not being too big-business happy.

But for now, our best solution at this point seems to be things like raising the retirement age, to perhaps 68, and raising the income cap. This by no means solves the problem whatsoever, and I think further legislation should be approved saying that the extra income generated should stay in a "lock box", but it would give us more clout to do whatever once we win back the presidency in '08, for true social security reform in '09.


by KainIIIC on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:28:01 PM EST
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There Isn't A Problem With Social Security (none / 0)

Well hold up a second. I think the "no compromise, no change" on social security right now would be very bad. Social WILL be a problem, beecause the presidents of the past have dipped into it and taken some 2.4 trillion from it, so yes, something DOES need to be fixed here.
That's not a problem with Social Security.  That's a problem with Bush's homongous deficit.

And even whispering that it has anything to do with Social Security helps provide cover for the evil weasles of the GOP who should rot in hell for what they've done to this country, not to mention what they'd like to do.

So just cut it out. Talk about the problem with Bush's deficit, and the need to (a) balance the budget, (b) make the rich pay their fair share of the taxes, and (c) repay the Social Security trust fund all the money that's owed to it.


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 10:02:03 PM EST
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No, the 2.4 trillion comes from the 2 decades since the SS Trust fund was set up (in early 1980s), and over the past 20+ years, we've taken the surplus and spent it on discretionary spending, and entitlements. So basically the 2.4 trillion I'm talking about comes from IOUs to the SS Trust fund which needs to be payed back at a later date.

Certainly Bush is hugely to blame for this, as he spent the SS Surplus on shit like tax cuts for the wealthy, needless wars and bridges to nowhere in Alaska, and the fact that this problem could have been fixed or on the right track with an Al Gore presidency. But unfortunately for us, we will ALL be riddled with the ~800 billion taken from the SS Trust fund in addition to the trillions of dollars of debt piled up under the last 8 years. So how do we best get rid of this? We've got to raise taxes, cut spending (hopefully a lot in the defense area), stop making useless wars, etc. But we've still got the 800 billion in the last 8 years in addition to the almost 2 trillion piled up before hand to take care of.

Clinton's plan involved taking the SS surplus and paying off the debt, so that instead of tax dollars going to pay off INTEREST, which by the way, I might add, is around 10% of our entire federal budget, we reduce that debt yearly, so that by the time where the SS surplus is gone, we'll have freed up much of our federal budget to go towards paying back those IOUs. So basically, we reduce our national debt significantly, and save SS. Win-win?


by KainIIIC on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 11:14:54 PM EST
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THERE IS NO SOCIAL SECURITY CRISIS!!! (none / 0)

If the government raids the Social Security trust fund for other budgetary purposes, that is NOT a problem with Social Security.  It is BUDGETARY problem.

Did other people contribute to this problem before Bush came into office?

Yes.

But under Clinton we were paying the money back.  In 2001, the CBO projected a $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus that would have completely paid all that back.  In fact, Bush himself promised that his tax cuts would not prevent replenishing the Social Security trust fund.  It was a lie, of course.  But it was part of the premise that allowed Bush to sell his tax cuts to the moderates, whom he needed in order to get it passed.

So, yes, the problem existed before Bush.  But Bush is still 100% responsible for it, because it was on a glide path to being solved before he disrupted it.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL SECURITY.  IT HAS TO DO WITH BUSHES SUPER-DEFICITS.

PERIOD.


by Paul Rosenberg on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:49:00 PM EST
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Re: Do some research (none / 0)

Ok, well I wouldnt lie and say I'm a policy wonk, but I've done a little research here.
According to the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees's "A Summary of the 2006 Annual Reports", Social Security will not be able to pay out in full after 2040. Furthermore, they do not believe, "the currently projected long-run growth rates of Social Security or Medicare are sustainable  under current financial arrangements." Finally, the percent projected defecit over 75 years has risen steadily since last year- common sense, because as I said before, people are living longer and this system was designed to pay people over 65 when the average life expectancy was much shorter 60 years ago.
So, unless the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees is an evil GOP group in disguise, there is a long-term problem. Now, the group makes it quite clear that there's no IMMEDIATE crisis as the President tried to say, but the long-term problem is undeniable in the facts. The group believes that in the long run, "greater adjustments in scheduled benefits and revenues will be required" basically, we will need to slightly raise the retirement age and remove the tax cap. Whats so horribly, horribly wrong about discussing this? Kaine is right when he says that Gore's "lockbox" idea was smart, but that doesnt seem feasable anymore.
Again, I think the ultimate point I'm making here isnt about policy but semantics. Honest people- honest Democrats- may have differing views on how to deal with Social Security, but that doesnt make those people any less of Democrats or "stupid" as Stoller said. Stoller is an ideologue, but ideology does not always translate into good government. Yes Democrats believe strongly in Social Security and social justice. But that doesnt mean improving the system is a bad thing.
by AC4508 on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:52:39 AM EST
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Negotiate with the GOP? (none / 0)

Fine. But there is nothing to change in the way of private accounts. People have private accounts. They're called 401K's and IRA's.

Social Security is a system that works, and with it's financing of our country's debt, has a proven successful track record. No problem, no fixes needed. If we're worried about payouts, then maybe a hike of the retirement age from 65 to 66, make the rich have a higher ceiling. Those are acceptable. We don't need to rework it into a system where someone who doesn't know what they're doing might have big dreams, go high risk, and end up on the street with no safety net.

Social Security is a safety net. As a society, we have decided we don't want our elderly out on the street, or eating generic cat food to live. Social Security isn't a money stream for the vocal, greedy, cynical 10% of society who want to put their dirty paws on everybody's physical and projected money.


by JohnGor0 on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:51:24 PM EST
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Re: Negotiate with the GOP? (none / 0)

The full retirement age has already been hiked past 66, which is now the retirement age for those born in 1945. How high would you like to hike it?


by joyful alternative on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:02:51 PM EST
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Stop Drinking The Kool-Aid, Dude! (none / 0)

There's been a sustained attack on Social Security over the past 25 years or so.  It's been so intense and so successful that they've managed to stack the official commissions and study groups, and even change the basis for making projections.

So, unless the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees is an evil GOP group in disguise, there is a long-term problem.
Not evil, per se, as a group. Just ideologically blind.

But the one thing they haven't been able to do is alter reality.  And the reality is that the doom-and-gloom scenarios are based on an absurdly low rate of economic growth, which the US has repeatedly surpassed.  Not every year.  Not during economic downturns.  But over every business cycle, which is the natural measuring unit to use.  That's why the so-called "bankruptcy" date has moved farther into the future since the beginning of Clinton's first term.

The real problem, as every sane person knows, is Medicare, not Social Security. And the reason for that is the incredibly wasteful nature of our entire health care system, within which Medicare operates. If, OTOH, Medicare were expanded to cover everyone, and all health insurance payments were replaced with Medicare taxes, the end result would be surpluses as far as the eye can see.

No need to make 70-year olds keep digging ditches, either.


by Paul Rosenberg on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 01:47:49 PM EST
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Tracking primaries - others might want to try this (none / 0)

With the primaries starting so early, it can be tough to keep up with them. We are especially seeing this in CA-10 with multiple posts each day on the race.

To make it easier for people to stay up-to-date, I've created the Ellen Tauscher Weekly.

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by Bob Brigham on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:12:31 PM EST

Re: Tracking primaries - others might want to try (none / 0)

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by Bob Brigham on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:28:15 PM EST
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Re: Primary Open Thread (none / 0)

I'm an advocate of the netroots devoting a lot of time, energy, and money to primaries.  That's where we can have a bigger impact, because primaries don't require huge capital expenditures the way general elections do, and the media focus on primaries is less intense.  Primaries offer progressives an opportunity to sneak up and pull off some wins to a greater extent than a general election.


by global yokel on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 05:14:55 PM EST

Re: Primary Open Thread (none / 0)

as you were saying that the third way people's influence is growing, nancy jacobson, after ditching bayh, signed on to clinton's campaign.  jacobson comes right out of third way.  she's mark penn's wife though, so the move is no surprise.  but now the third way has insinuated itself into the heart of the primary.

the jacobson move is mentioned on hotline today.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/a rchives/2006/12/nancy_jacobson.html


by beyondo98 on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 06:34:55 PM EST

Russ Carnahan (none / 0)

Remember our guy Tim Smith?  The one that almost beat Carnahan when he ran for the open seat?  He's now a State Representative.  I'd love to see a rematch.


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by Nonpartisan on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 07:52:34 PM EST

Jeff Smith (none / 0)

Jeff already has some problems

Hey, at least Jeff won't end up like the Democratic enemies of Bob Griffin. Like the one person who challenged Griffin for Speaker, lost badly, and ended up in a windowless office.

I could tell the story of the Temporary Speaker vote some other time too.

As for Russ Carnahan. He's not really impressive, but he's not going to lose a general election and he's not hurting the Democratic Party either. He doesn't appear to have any really bad policy stands either. I say "let him be".

And in 2012, maybe the Dems have a better shot in Missouri if they create a StL City district where the Dem candidate only tops his statewide percentage by 25 points instead of 28 points. Moving some of the Democrats there into Akin's district too.

Then again, rethinking the Missouri districts may not work out for some people on our side. After all, it's vital that Lacy Clay have a district where Democratic candidates win by 50 points, right?

But that's a topic for another time too, right?


by RBH on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 09:12:10 PM EST
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Re: Primary Open Thread (none / 0)

What I don't see is why these people who are republicans in democratic clothing don't just switch to thier real party.


by vwcat on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 09:00:02 PM EST

Pick one and do it right (none / 0)

I say put a bounty on Tauscher's head, recruit a good candidate, and beat her in the primary. We could lose the seat, but so be it.

The important thing to remember from the Lamont effort, however, is just how goddamn difficult and undertaking this is. The chron said Kos is bringing "long knives"; but, remember, this is a gunfight.

I think if the netroots can make an example of one shitty Democrat--and she is--that would have a very salutary effect. Challenging people all over the country, however, is a distraction.

It is not enough just to blow smoke out of our asses; we have to win.


by stevehigh on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 10:08:55 PM EST

Re: Pick one and do it right (none / 0)

This district was drawn to allow Tauscher to lose in a primary, but there is almost zero chance of us losing it in the general.


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by Bob Brigham on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 11:22:35 PM EST
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I live here (none / 0)

The chance is not zero. Primaries are vicious, destructive, and a waste of time. Some are even more vicious and destructive than others. If Tauscher lost and endorsed the Republican or ran as a write-in or simply threw enough mud in the primary, we could easily lose the seat.

The Lamont-Lieberman case was very unusual; the GOP won't nominate a palooka in this race.

Nevertheless, I think it's a chance worth taking, but not all over the United States. The Netroots wants to share in the leadership of the Democratic Party, but if we are constantly talking up primary fights, we are going to find few friends among incumbent Democrats.


by stevehigh on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:21:37 PM EST
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Re: Primary Open Thread (none / 0)

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