Barack Obama is the next generation

(cross-posted at Daily Kos)

In October of 2004, a couple weeks before the election, I had the privilege of attending a rally for the Democratic challenger to Senator Arlen Specter, Joe Hoeffel, at which Barack Obama was present. Ostensibly a rally for the Kerry/Edwards ticket and Hoeffel, the then-candidate for the U.S. Senate in Illinois overshadowed the home state candidate with his inspirational life story and his recounting of the beginning of a campaign in Illinois that had been a long shot before he won the primary. After his speech finished, Obama lingered to sign autographs and to take pictures with students like myself who had skipped class to attend the rally.

A lot of the debate in the blogosphere has centered around various aspects of Obama as he ponders whether to run for president in 2008. But there seems to be one observation that a lot of people are missing in the blogosphere: his appeal to those in my generation.

One of the main tools that anyone in the blogosphere should use to evaluate youth sentiment are the social networking websites that have sprung up. There is MySpace, but it is a much more loosely structured website than its counterpart, Facebook. Facebook is now open to anyone in the public (it had previously been a website for college students only, and its main members are still predominantly in college), so feel free to sign up and verify any of the statistics I cite. The main way of evaluating a politician's popularity in general is to search the groups that are present and see how many members are in each. If one does a search for Barack Obama, you will see that almost all of the groups that exist - most of which call for Obama to run for president - are highly positive. One group in particular, Barack Obama for President in 2008, has over 26,000 members - a huge number for any politically-related group on Facebook. The group has spawned its its own website, complete with a blog. For good comparison, the official Democratic Party group has just over 4,000 members. Take a look, on the other hand, for the results that turn up when one searches for groups related to Hillary Clinton. At an initial glance, the anti-Hillary groups far outnumber those who support her.

So why does there seem to be such an overwhelming contingency of support for Obama among younger Americans - those deemed to be not as interested in politics? Simply put, he represents a much different voice in politics than many of us are used to. I grew up during the Clinton years and have become involved in the political process during the Bush administration, and the memories I have of both are overwhelmingly negative. Granted, most of the negativity has come from the GOP and its right-wing minions, but as a 20 year-old, the rhetoric I have heard in the political arena has been near-devoid of positive thinking and optimism. Obama represents a change from the usual rhetoric, no matter how empty it may seem to those of us who wish to scrutinize his record. I recognize that much of the blogosphere has possibly had a chance to live in a time when political discourse wasn't so hostile, but young adults like myself haven't had a chance to experience that yet.

Another reason why many young people support Obama, aside from his relative youth to the rest of the field, is that we see, in him, the embodiment of the real America. The Senate consists 94 Caucasians and 6 minorities - Obama being one of the six. It's obviously not reflective of the changing demographics of the country. Popular music, no matter how good or bad one thinks it may be, is populated by minority musicians. Younger Americans are the product of multiracial families. In a nation whose face is changing, Obama is the person who represents this change. Perhaps it's a symptom of being what John Heilemann of New York Magazine calls a cipher, but in Obama, many do see the senator as someone who has the opportunity to reunite the country. But in a time where there's a lot of despair in the country and around the world, Obama inspires hope because to people like myself, he relates much better to us than many existing politicians do.

This brings me to my next point, one I think Chris Bowers gets it right on when he looks at Obama in the context of the 'culture wars' stemming from the 1960s.


I have to admit a powerful, internal hunger to see the ground shift within the "culture wars" away from the long-standing paradigm of the 1960's. As someone born in 1974, as is probably the case with everyone in Generation X and forward, I just can't identify with all of that. As we have seen from 1992-2006, every single Baby Boomer based election will probably continue to be about Vietnam, the "counter-culture," the south as a distinct region, single-issue advocacy, "electability," and old, linear and single-issue based discussions of ideology. Enough already!

The fact that social issues always seem to be brought up in elections turns a lot of youth off. Why? Because young adults are overwhelmingly liberal when it comes to social issues. Taking a look at a CIRCLE fact sheet (PDF link) compiled 2 years ago, and it's no wonder that young Americans my age wonder why the hell people seem so consumed about battling over supposed hot-button issues. Here's a short summary of some of the findings:

* Over 80% support equal protection in housing and employment, and from hate crimes; 63% support civil unions; 56% support gay marriage; and 70% oppose job discrimination against homosexuals. These findings would seem to be supported by a cursory look at Facebook again, where a group, Legalize Same-Sex Marriage, has 100,000 members.

* Countering the xenophobia that seems to be latently present in discussions about immigration in the present, an overwhelming supermajority (76%) of young voters believe immigrants should be offered the same rights as everyone else.

In a Bloomberg/LA Times poll conducted this summer, the pollsters seem to agree that the issues that so-called 'values' voters care about are ones that are turning younger Americans away from the GOP:


Bush's 2004 re-election strategy also may have damaged his party's standing with younger voters by stressing things intended to drive religious voters concerned about social issues to the ballot box, such as opposition to gay marriage.

"The very cultural issues the president wants to use to rally his party's base are exactly the issues that are alienating younger voters," said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey. "Across a broad swath of social issues, younger Americans see the administration as being out of line with what they believe."

Perhaps it's wrong of young Americans to be turned off by the discourse, but there's a very strong streak of social liberalism that exists today - and whenever these social issues are discussed in the public arena, it's in the context of the past, particularly the 1960s, that many of us don't have an understanding about. Therefore, there's a strong inclination to tune out a discussion because it doesn't make sense to the young adult who didn't grow up under those circumstances.

Booman has his own take on Obama; he doesn't associate with the senator for different reasons:


I am not really post-Vietnam. I don't come from the 1990's MTV multi-ethnic, major urban center, cosmopolitan, post-identity politics type of place that Chris comes from. And that might strike Chris as strange since I am highly educated and cosmopolitan and live in a major urban center. But, that is not how I experience politics. I see just as much appeal in John Edwards's little mill town upbringing as I see in Obama's eclectic experiences. And I don't at all think that the majority of the voting public (which is older than me) is going to go all ga-ga over Obama's multi-cultural post-identity politics identity.

The fact of the matter is that very few political pundits, bloggers, or any other observers of politics can understand the Obama phenomenon unless you are one of the youth in the present. Adam Conner, part-time guest blogger at MyDD, blogger at RunObama.com, and someone only a few years older than myself, had this to say about Obama's appearance in New Hampshire:


First, the energy in the room today was absolutely incredible. I've really never seen anything like it, particularly when you consider that the New Hampshire primary is at least a full 388 days from now (the final date hasn't been set yet).

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Another word on today's sizable audience of 1,500. If you're an active Democrat in New Hampshire, you're pretty much constantly inundated with opportunities to see Presidential candidates speak. And to pay $25 dollars to see someone...forget about it. So for an event to gather this much attention, it seemed consensus among folks from NH that I spoke to that this wasn't just flavor of the month kind of attention. There's definitely something there. And holy shit, I've never seen a political candidate be mobbed in a crowd like Obama was. Rock Star might be the most accurate description because I can't think of anything I've ever seen that even comes close to comparing.

Bill Clinton also has a rock star persona, but when he was president when I was growing up, many of us didn't get a chance to see it firsthand because he had to defend himself from rabid right-wing partisans. Al Gore and John Kerry, during their respective presidential campaigns, didn't have it. But in Barack Obama, what you see is what you get - someone who is a riveting speaker from the stump, making a public park in downtown Philadelphia or a crowded hall in New Hampshire go silent when he speaks. Like many others, I'd like to hear a little more substance on the issues from him, but for many youth, this won't be an issue. Take the matter of Darfur, for example - an issue that many young Americans care about (a Facebook group called 400,000 Faces, for the number of people who have died in the genocide there, has about 348,000 members). Obama has a grade of A+ on Darfur legislation.

I think that for many youth, it won't necessarily be the definitive record of the past 2-4 years of legislation under Obama's belt (2 of which were in the Senate minority). Instead, it will be the potential that the senator brings to the table that will inspire many. When RFK ran for president, he had only been a senator for 4 years. But it was the possibility of what could be done, the hope that he brought out in Americans back in 1968 - it was that passion that drove his campaign. For many of my peers, it's the same passion that exists now for Barack Obama. To us, he represents the best of the next generation of America.


Poll
If Barack Obama ran for president, what would be your level of support?
He wouldHe would be my first choice be my first choice
He would be in the top 3 (but not first choice)
He would gain my support only if he is the eventual nominee
He would not gain my support, regardless

Votes: 45
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

I really can't see any other candidate motivating young voters en masse as easily and naturally as Obama.  I'm not wild about that, but it certainly seems to be true.  

Since no potential candidate has particularly distinguished themselves for me just yet, I've been focusing on the ways in which each potential candidacy could change the party as a whole in ways that would outlast even a potential 8 years, and Obama might just be the guy.  Infrastructure and new voters are tough to beat.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 08:09:59 PM EST

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If you're looking at how a candidate alone can have that big of an impact, it'd probably be Obama. It's hard to see anyone matching the impact that Howard Dean had during the 2004 cycle, though.


by PsiFighter37 on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 08:22:55 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

Not necessarily the candidate him/herself as their candidacy and campaign.  For example (quite possibly), if I thought Obama's campaign would only temporarily excite young voters but that the manner in which his rockstardom would empower the ideas and tactics of the Beltway experts, I'd be less excited.

As it stands, I'm feeling optimistic and I realize that it's all a game of potential now anyways, so I give him the benefit of the doubt.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 08:30:52 PM EST
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I could see Obama's impact in 2008 exceeding Dean's in 2004.

And really, I'm in the minority on this, but I thought Edwards' 2004 impact was greater than Dean's.  He went from a nobody candidate to the #2 performer in the primaries and the VP nominee.


by v2aggie2 on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:47:55 PM EST
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but what did that do for the party as opposed to for him?


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:27:57 AM EST
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It appears that Obama's impact may transcend party


by v2aggie2 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:44:53 AM EST
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Obama may have a wider impact, but John Edwards in 2004, sad to say, didn't really do much for the Democratic Party. I don't think that his 'Two Americas' theme can necessarily be credited for the nationwide push on the minimum wage (although I'm sure his support for the issue of the country post-election has helped).


by PsiFighter37 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:59:16 AM EST
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I could see Obama's impact in 2008 exceeding Dean's in 2004.
You mean he might win more than just his own state?


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:10:01 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

Ah, nice one.
The Deaniacs may get you for that one!
by v2aggie2 on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 12:32:31 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (3.00 / 2)

If Obama's right about his message, and this "I'm a progressive, but we have to treat everyone with respect and pursue common goals" thing really takes off, we could be arguing in November '08 as to whether we'll win 39 vs 40 states, and not whether we've got our 17 + OH or FL.  No other candidate on our side can be that transformative.


by Adam B on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 09:28:39 AM EST
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Exactly. (none / 0)

2006 was the set up.

2008 is the followup to achieve total realignment to teh Democrtic Party.

Obama may not be as "safe" a choice as Hillary, Gore, or Edwards but we have a once in a half century opportunity in '08 so it's time to go all out and nominate Obama if he can withstand the inevitable scutiny duringthe primary season.


by Sam I Am on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 10:07:42 AM EST
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Re: Exactly. (none / 0)

Yawn...

I hope you don't become disalusioned when the best candidate--Gore--trounces Obama. Don't worry, Gore is more prepared to lead us anyway.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:12:44 PM EST
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I don't think Gore trounces Obama... he could beat him definately, but trounce is unlikely unless you see a big Obama Gaffe... I will concede though that he is probably the best prepared to be President of any of the candidates in either party.... I still don't think he is running though.

However, if Gore does run and beats Obama in a respectable showing, a Gore/Obama ticket would be a very powerful thing.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:40:52 PM EST
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I definitely agree that a Gore/Obama ticket would have an amazing amount of appeal. I also think that Obama's story would make him an ideal VP candidate, I just don't think that with all of the problems we face today and in 2008 that a relatively unkown politician will be able to carry the day.

I could be 100% wrong, but I feel strongly enough to place a wager or 100 on Gore's victory.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:00:55 PM EST
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Re: Exactly. (3.00 / 1)

Gore to me is a bit of an unknown.  His biggest problem will be introducing those that look down on 2000 Gore and associate him with that person to Inconvenient Truth Gore.  National polls have not been super kind to Gore, but we all know they mean nothing at this point.  There are those who love him, and those who absolutely distrust him.  His biggest hurdle is to overcome those views and show the new Gore, who is a personable, inspiring leader.  

As I said, I would easily take a bet on Gore trouncing Obama.  If he gets in, I think you see a fairly tight race until at least Super Tuesday... which may tip it to one or the other.  But I just don't see a Kerryesque run as seen in 2004.  

Now betting on if Gore can beat Obama, then no I wouldn't bet, because it could happen just as Obama can beat Gore.  Gore had campaign experience and most negatives on him have come out.  Obama is more charasmatic, which despite what it seems you feel, does tip voters many times who are on the fence.  Both can easily raise money.  Both have a netroots presense as does Clark and Edwards... although if Obama, Hillary and Gore are in, Clark is probably done and Edwards will have some trouble as well, although a good Iowa showing could help immensly.  SO to me, the race will be close, with Both candidate having advantages and disagvantages.

I think our opinion on what people want is the difference.  I think a change from the current political climate and nastiness is what many are going to look for; I think they want a positive leader who will listen to everyone's opinion and then come up with a good solution the problem, vs a cowboy who goes on his whims.  I think they know it isn't just the president but all his advisors and congress that factor into decisions, so the lengthy experience is not necessary.

You feel that after the fuckups the current idiot in office has portrayed, they will want someone with experience in creating good government to help lead us out of this mess, even if there is some nasty bitterness on the way.  

Whichever opinion is right, will ultimately decide who the candidate will be.  I like Obama and will be supporting him in the primaries... I trust him, I think he will create some excellent policy as he did in Illinois and really hasn't had the chance in the senate the last two years (the next year though my thoughts are he will work on some big bills).  Regardless of what some feel on here, I think he embodies most progressive principles... he even goes to a progressive church... the UCC, which is the only national church body to come out and pass a resolution in support of Gay marriage and allowing gay marriage in UCC churches.  I feel this way after seeing him speak, having met him and reading his most current book.  I feel he is a change from our parents Generation, a group I think has screwed up a lot of things, which would be a good thing.  I think he would be an excellent President and an excellent VP and welcome him to the race.

On the flip side, I think Al Gore was a wonderful VP and a great person.  I think he ran a crappy campaign in 2000, but I think he has learned from that, which shows he learns from his mistakes.  I think he would be an excellent President as well.  

Long story short, I would be disappointed if HRC gets the nom.  If Obama loses to Gore, I will be a tiny disappointed, but not too much and would support him as vigorously as i did Obama starting a week after Obama would have dropped out.    


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:30:06 PM EST
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Re: Exactly. (none / 0)

Gore won't be running for President on MyDD and DailyKos.  And he has a lot of work to do with the electorate at large before he can be considered an invincible candidate.  His image with the average voter is still very strongly based in his 2000 persona, which I am not sure that he has truly repudiated


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 02:23:39 PM EST
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Gore (none / 0)

There is no doubt that Gore would make an excellant President but given his Presidential campaign performance in '88 and '00 it certainly remains to be seen if Gore is capable of "trouncing" anybody.


by Sam I Am on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 02:39:54 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (2.00 / 1)

What a sad commentary on the next generation.

But anyone who has risen as fast as Obama is bound to fall just as fast.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 09:13:57 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

Sad how?

Please elaborate -- that response is just condescending


by v2aggie2 on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:49:53 PM EST
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"Sad how?"

Because, at this point, Obama is a two dimensional image with no record of populist substance to flesh him out (and in fact, he's governed as an anti-populist since his election). He's just the latest video game everyone's playing.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:08:34 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (1.00 / 0)

Well, when the main metric of enthusiasm and support cited is facebook, it's appropriate--a two dimensional and hollow medium if there ever was one.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 03:15:21 AM EST
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Given how popular it is among young people, I'd say you have a pretty low impression of young voters.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:03:05 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

1) I'm twenty six.  

2) Half of the people who are enthusiastic about mySpace and facebook will be embarrassed about it

3) Those sites just aren't very good--they have an ugly layout, and they genericize one's personality--a photo and a bunch of lists of one's likes and dislikes.

4) I have a quite neutral opinion regarding younger voters.  They are what they are, just like any other voter--there are some good ones and some bad ones.  I do like that they tend to break so heavily Democratic.

5) It's a horrible claim to say that because I don't like something that has taken off in pop culutre, for whatever reason, then I have a low opinion of the people behind it.  If I think the Black Eyed Peas are hackey, that doesn't necessarily mean that I think that everyone who listens to them is stupid.  It's just my opinion based on one thing.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 02:18:59 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (3.00 / 1)

No record?  Have you looked at what he did in Illinois?


by Adam B on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 09:29:04 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

What did he do for working people and the environment while he was in Illinois?


by adamterando on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 10:11:17 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (3.00 / 1)

Mind you, this is from an article which criticizes Obama:

During his first year in the state senate--1997--he helped lead a laudable if quixotic crusade that would have amended the state constitution to define health care as a basic right and would have required the Illinois General Assembly to ensure that all the state's citizens could get health insurance within five years. He led initiatives to aid the poor, including campaigns that resulted in an earned-income tax credit and the expansion of early-childhood-education programs. In 2001, reacting to a surge in home foreclosures in Chicago, he helped push for a measure that cracked down on predatory lenders that peddled high-interest, high-fee mortgages to lower-end homebuyers. Obama was also the driving force behind legislation, passed in 2003, that made Illinois the first state to require law-enforcement agencies to tape interrogations and confessions of murder suspects. Throughout his campaign for the U.S. Senate, Obama called for social justice, promised to "stand up to the powerful drug and insurance lobbies" that block health-care reform, and denounced the war in Iraq and the Bush White House.

Since coming to Washington, Obama has advocated for the poor, most notably in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and has emerged as a champion of clean government. He has fought for restrictions on lobbying, even as most of his fellow Democrats postured on the issue while quietly seeking to gut real reform initiatives.


On the environment, Obama won the primary endorsement of the League of Conservation Voters, which said:
LCV will launch a new TV spot, titled "Rising Star," beginning Wednesday night and running through Election Day in the Chicago media market. The ad focuses on Mr. Obama's extraordinary record of protecting the environment - standing up to Bush Administration efforts to weaken the Clean Air Act and working to reduce Illinois' high asthma rates. The ad buy is a significant, six-figure purchase.

"We are excited to be working on behalf of Barack Obama, a rising star who will be a champion for the health and safety of Illinois citizens in the U.S. Senate," said LCV President Deb Callahan.

Mr. Obama is one of only six members of the Illinois State Senate to receive a 100% Environmental Voting Record Award for 2003 from the Illinois Environmental Council. While serving in the State Senate, Mr. Obama, co-sponsored legislation to promote renewable energy, worked to clean up the Lake Shore on the South Side of Chicago, and strongly supported Brownfields cleanup with the Illinois First environmental program.


by Adam B on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 11:24:39 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

Thanks.


by adamterando on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:28:55 PM EST
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Teddy Rosevelt (none / 0)

rose even faster.

San Juan Hill to the Oval Office in little over three years.


by Sam I Am on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 10:09:21 AM EST
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Re: Teddy Rosevelt (none / 0)

I love the story behind Teddy getting the VP nod.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:45:29 PM EST
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Re: Teddy Rosevelt (none / 0)

When someone's main strength is from being compared to others, it's another sad commentary.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 09:53:28 PM EST
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I find it interesting that Senator Obama is being hailed as the "Next Generation" candidate.  In what way is this candidacy different from that of Adlai Stevenson's machine driven campaigns against Eisenhower?  The high flown rhetoric and Senator Obama's undoubted personality only disguise the facts here.  The Chicago Machine politicos are pushing this for all they're worth.  Dick Durbin is doing everything but renting clowns to push Obama into the race.  They would all like for their junior senator to focus nationally so life can go on as usual in Cicagoland.  This has always been their modus operandi, any politician who might be a problem, focus them on national aspirations.  Obama for UN representative in 2008 anyone?


by Demo Dan in Dayton on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:22:08 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

He's the Next Generation candidate because he's from the next generation after everyone else that's running, more or less.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:29:29 AM EST
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Dan actually brings up a point.  Doesn't change my opinion, I support 100%... but the machine politicians in ILLINOIS (not just Chicago) are as corrupt as they come.  Them pushing Obama into the race could be a little of what he said.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 11:42:13 AM EST
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Excellent Diary!

I was 21 when Bill Clinton became President and he struck a chord with me as a young man.  I can relate to what you are feeling now, I think.

Barack Obama has also struck a chord with me, though I'm an old man now at 35.


by v2aggie2 on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:38:39 PM EST

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Adam Conner, part-time guest blogger at MyDD, blogger at RunObama.com, and someone only a few years older than myself...

Only a few years older, shit I'm lucky if I have a year on you PsiFighter. Fantastic diary though, much props.


www.adamconner7.com
by Adam Conner on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 11:24:21 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

Well, I wasn't sure exactly how old, so I took my best guess. I figured it'd be better to err on the side of increased age...er, wisdom. :)


by PsiFighter37 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:00:01 AM EST
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This is right on. I am a college student, and would absolutely love to work on Obama's campaign for all of these reasons.


by Ozymandias on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 04:27:41 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama is the next generation (none / 0)

I couldn't answer the questionnaire. At this point, I'm not committed to anyone; he's among my top three and may or may not be the top one.


by joyful alternative on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 07:49:41 AM EST

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Nice Job on the Diary... Outstanding piece!


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 11:43:20 AM EST

The delusion bus rolls on... (none / 0)

Psifighter, I know you're about the same age as me, but I think our experiences with other young voters bring us to very different conclusions.

You say:

I think that for many youth, it won't necessarily be the definitive record of the past 2-4 years of legislation under Obama's belt (2 of which were in the Senate minority). Instead, it will be the potential that the senator brings to the table that will inspire many. When RFK ran for president, he had only been a senator for 4 years. But it was the possibility of what could be done, the hope that he brought out in Americans back in 1968 - it was that passion that drove his campaign. For many of my peers, it's the same passion that exists now for Barack Obama.
First of all, our generation is alergic to exactly the type of persona crap that you think is appealing. You think our genenration wants another candidate with "promise" to win and then do jack shit about all of the problems that face us? I'm not saying that Obama will do jack shit, but that's about what he's done so far. Instead, our generation will be looking for people who have long track records, whose words can be matched up with past actions, and Obama is simply outgunned by, in order, Gore, Edwards, and Clark. Edwards and Clark also benefit from their aggressive grassroots outreacch over the past 2+ years. Gore will be the favorite, however, in my mind, and I would guess in the minds of those who research public opinion, because he has a track record as well as a great narrative. All you have to point to are some pretty useless visual and mental cues, that I believe most of our generation will flat out ignore.

Second, I think that it's pretty obvious that most people on blogs, and most people at Ivy League schools, are pretty disconnected from the realities of the vast majority of people. Do you think Obama is inspiring most young people? Do you think that even a third of young people even know who he is? Not that Obama can't inspire young people, but your presumptions and perceptions are far from the reality at the moment.

Don't place your excitement for an unkonwn candidate at the feet of our genenration, we are too big, too diverse, and way too smart, to be tricked by a good looking candidate with reltively few accomplishments. I think it's great that you're excited, but not all of us have started sipping the Obamania kool-aid. At least not yet...

Last- can you please tell me who you consider your "peers"?


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:07:18 PM EST

Re: The delusion bus rolls on... (none / 0)

First, I should probably state what I did over at dKos: I'm not endorsing Obama with this post. Instead, it's meant to be an observation of the politician from the eyes of a 20 year-old. Like yourself, I would much prefer if Al Gore ran. That being said, I wanted to examine Obama from the standpoint of a younger generation (which is who I consider my peers - just about anyone aged 18-25).

Take a look at the 'Barack Obama' Facebook group I referenced, for example (or any of the dozens of similar groups that support him for president). These are not only 'Ivy League' students; these are students at colleges and high schools around the country. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he has wide popularity throughout the youth demographics.


by PsiFighter37 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:26:56 PM EST
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First, the reason I brought up "peer group" is that I felt you were misusing the term (I believe that you may be talking about "generation" which is much different). Think this first sentence in the Wikipedia definition speaks to what I mean (I would add "identity" to the list):

A peer group is a group of people of approximately the same age, social status, and interests.
This is why I brought up the Ivys, since those who are undergad Ivy students do not share the same social status as most young people, and I would guess the same could be said about interests.

Second, I appreciate that Obama has excited a certain political subset within the young, involved, and middle to upper class demographics. However, when you start talking about "generations" then you are way off. Most people in  the generation(s) that are under 30 (and a generation is not fixed soley by year of birth, but also by shared world events, so "our generation" may be more like those between 12 and 35, and there is definitely more than one generational unit in our nation at any given time. Anyway, it's prob. pretty hard to tell at the moment, since the standard measures that I've seen used won't pick up on a generational cohort until they are well into their 30s, see Schuman and Scott's Generations and Collective Memories).

Maybe I'm just being nitpicky with the terms you are using, but I do believe that you are overgeneralizing to such a degree that it's hard for me to take your overall hypothesis too seriously. I guess we'll see, but I suspect you'll find a very large Al Gore group emerge once he announces and the seperate Gore '08 efforts merge (or one emerges as the main effort).

Anyway, I am suggesting that our differing experiences with those under 30 bring us to different conclusions. My experiences tell me Obama will not have a very wide appeal, yours tell you something different...


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:57:21 PM EST
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I'd love to put a little money on that... I think you are mistaken, but we shall see.  Again though, I don't think Gore is running so unless he does it is an argument that can't be solved.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:01:28 PM EST
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I don't think you know our age group as well as you think you do Alex.  I disagree with pretty much everything here you have to say.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:58:03 PM EST
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OK. Well, I don't know what to say to that other than I've done the research/received an advanced degree, I've done the work, I've walked the walk, etc. What have you done, outside of explore the feelings/thoughts of yourself and those who you have direct contact with?

If you really want to delve into the research with me, or discuss our differing experiences in youth political outreach, then by all means go ahead. But neither your response nor your past behavior give me much reason to believe that you are interested in an actual discussion on the subject.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:09:59 PM EST
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That came out wrong, my apologies...I wish MyDD had an edit function for comments. I went back and read it and it didn't sound how I meant it to sound.  Again, I apologize.

I do think sometimes you feel like you speak for the generation and you feel you know everything about us... I could be wrong, but sometimes your statements give that air.  That is not meant to be insulting, simply constructive criticism.  

In truth their is no really right or wrong answer.  I can tell you that I am not part of the Ivys, nor the affluent class.  I have contact with many people 20-30 and so I base some of my opinion on relations with them.  Other opinions are based on experiences with people during campaigns, experience with people online, experience with social workers, etc, all from very different backgrounds, economic areas, races, etc.

I would love to hear your research.  I think it would be very interesting.  What have you done in this regard?  What work, walking the walk, etc?  This is a genuine question... please don't think it is sarcastic or anything else as it isn't meant to be.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:45:32 PM EST
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I have to run to do some errands, so I can't go too far into the research side, but you can find a good deal on the youth voting blog I help run: Future Majority

As far as the work I have done goes, I have been involved in youth outreach since 2004. You can read about my experiences in 2004 here : Keys to a Future Majority (my masters thesis, which contains a good deal of research reviews). I have been posting my post mortems from this past election here on MyDD, which can be found by clicking on my name. Basically, I did culturally bound youth outreach in Philadelphia for Philadelphians Against Santorum, mostly at concerts and on Temple's campus.


Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 02:12:26 PM EST
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To further add, the statement that I misspoke was in regards to your first statement not your second... Specifically, I disagree with you that Obama has done shit... or rather, I'm curious how much you expect a freshman senator to do in his first two years as a member of a minority party.  I feel he did do a lot in the state senate and has at least tried in the US Senate.  I think 2007 will be a big test year for him in this regard.

I disagree that Obama appeals only to rich kids and bloggers and yes I would personally say more than a 1/3 know him... of course this is based on experience, so I do not have hard numbers to back it up and I could be wrong... I do know many under 30 that know him, like him and are not bloggers or rich or even white for that matter so based on that I think a good number know him, although not at Al Gore levels.  

I also don't totally agree that bloggers are seperated from politically reality... although I will say that some definately are and others are definately not.  

I am not sure where you are from, your background or status and maybe our opinions and experiences are different based on that.  

Again my apologies for earlier... did not intend for that to sound insulting like it came out.  


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:55:48 PM EST
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I'm curious who wouldn't support Obama at all... I mean i understand in the Primaries, but to not support the Dem candidate at all?  Even HRC and Bayh would have gotten my support in the national campaign.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 01:57:32 PM EST

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I think that Obama has some growing to do. If he grows in the nominating process, and win some debates and primaries, my support will and then change.


by olawakandi on Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 10:01:12 AM EST


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