An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News

From Newsweek's latest cover story on Obama and Clinton:
It's impossible to separate the abstract question of whether America is ready for a woman or a black from the concrete matter of whether we're ready for Hillary or Barack. Historically, the odds favor a woman over an African- American; psychologically and generationally, they may favor Obama over Clinton. Both are now expected to launch their campaigns early in the new year, which has created a level of political novelty and intrigue that goes beyond gender and race.
I know Newsweek wanted to dedicate several thousand words to unlocking the ever-so-difficult question of whether or not America could possibly elect Clinton and Obama. That is probably why they mentioned recent polling on whether or not Americans would be comfortable with a black or female President, but left out their own poll from early December, which specifically answered their question on Clinton and Obama:
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Dec. 6-7, 2006. N=864 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4

"Now I'm going to describe some different choices of candidates voters might have in the 2008 election for president. As I read each one, please tell me how you would vote if the election for president were being held today. Suppose you HAD TO CHOOSE between [see below], the Democrat, and [see below], the Republican. Who would you vote for?" If other/unsure: "As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward [see below], the Democrat; or [see below], the Republican?"

Clinton 50%--43% McCain
Clinton 48%--47% Giuliani
McCain 45%--43% Obama
Giuliani 47%--44% Obama
As the article reads, "it's impossible to separate the abstract question of whether America is ready for a woman or a black from the concrete matter of whether we're ready for Hillary or Barack." Well, with Clinton ahead of both McCain and Giuliani, and with the lesser known Obama well within the margin of error, the question posed by the lengthy article, Is America Ready?, could have been quickly and easily answered by Newsweek's own most recent poll. But strangely, there is no mention of this poll in the entire, seven-page article. We are treated to wonderful insights such as this one on the Clenis:
Hillary's big problem might be less her sex than her husband's
And here is an interesting insight on Obama's actual "problems:"
Obama's problem may be less that he's black than that he's green.
The Newsweek poll might have had an overly Democratic sample, just as the recent LA Times poll probably had too many Republicans (which would explain their oddly high approval rating for Bush). Most polls show both Democrats slightly behind McCain and Giuliani, for whatever trial heats this far out are worth. However, it does disappoint me that an article asking whether or not America is ready to elect Clinton and Obama leaves out virtually any mention of actual data to support it's vague, speculative, conventional wisdom premises. The is made especially disappointing when the news organization running the article ran a poll less than two weeks ago that tested that very subject.

In light of the post I made earlier this afternoon, I am forced to ask, "where is the accountability here?" Why does a trusted, established news organization that probably prides itself on adhering to various journalistic standards act as though it does not need to test its questions with actual data that is readily available? Surely, being a responsible journalist means more than just engaging in rhetorical questions, an endless stream of subjectivity, and giving equal time to spin from both sides. I, at least, like to believe that an institution trusted with presenting the public information actually values research and, well, actual information. We haven't sunk into an era where the way to be balanced is to give credence to any take on a political situation, no matter how absurd and in contradiction with actual evidence, have we? We do share a common reality, right? This isn't entirely post-modern relativism where both epistemology and ontology have no purpose, and everyone is equally correct, is it? And it wasn't actually conservatives, who so often decry our horrendous modern era of relativism, that actually brought this era into being through insistent demands that the conservative perspective on every story always be given at least equal time, and that all media should be as deregulated as possible? Surely, they would not be so hypocritical.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?



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Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

It occurs to me that ultimately, the only way to expose the hypocrisy of magazines, newspapers and network news organizations is probably going to be by getting their competition to pick up the story.

If you get the competition smelling blood in the water, they'll generally hammer away.  Of course, that just leaves us with fewer, more powerful media institutions.  So we better still be working towards making them either more responsive or more irrelevant in the meantime.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 04:49:53 PM EST

Keith Olberman: (none / 0)

We have a worse/worst story here for you.


by Arthurkc on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:04:16 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

The problem with the question is would you vote for a African American or Would you vote for a woman. The problem is sure i'd vote for a woman but not Hillary or sure i'd vote for an African American but not obama.(this is just what my view of these poll results are) It's sort of like asking would you vote for a White Christian Male for President. Yeah i'd vote for that one but not that one.


by orin76 on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:13:36 PM EST

Term Limits for Pundits (none / 0)

And media folks... it's what we need.


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by pacified on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:17:26 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

While I definitely agree that they should have at least mentioned their own poll, I believe that the poll doesn't really do much to answer the question of which candidate is more "electable."  As much press as Obama has gotten, he still must have much lower name recognition.  I think the main problem with the article was written much too early in the election cycle to have the possibility of any interesting insight.


by ryharrin on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:19:43 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

As a veteran magazine journalist (in the toy department--sports, but still) I could speculate thusly.

>> The "team" producing that cover story launched into it with the journalistic tingle attached to any Big Project. Their editors told them they had a Blank Slate---that they were charting new territory and should unleash their imaginations to frame the story's central questions with bold originality.

>> The fact that the polls Chris refers to are from Newsweek's own polling machinery (in a co-op with the WaPo, if memory serves) is deceiving. There are miles of cubicles between the one and the other. The mindset of NIH (Not Invented Here) is powerful. Enough to make the crack team come up with some methodology-based excuse not to use the info.

>> So yeah, having this blind spot in the Big Story's reporting pointed out might wreck all the fun.

Maybe the toy department is bigger than one would like to think.


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by ShagBark on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:24:19 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

I think you are right in some ways there. Chris never posted , in fact,a  single statistic on the races upcoming or any poll - from that article. Could it be that there was not a single poll mentioned anywhere in the article itself?

"(..) created a level of political novelty and intrigue that goes beyond gender and race."

the above is a quote, from the article. in my view, this kind of prose strongly suggests an op/ed piece and less of a state of the nation report. they seem to be focussed, as you say - on "bold originality".


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by heyAnita on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 08:52:31 AM EST
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Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

Only someone who doesn't exist would be so obnoxious as to raise questions about media accountability.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:26:12 PM EST

Newsweek? (none / 0)

Didn't they used to be a respected journalistic enterprise long ago? That is, before they went tabloid in 1992? I don't read it, but I usually see it at the supermarket checkout  line - sandwiched in between other hallowed news sources pimping Tom/Katie and alien abduction stories.


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by Michael Bersin on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:30:30 PM EST

Re: Newsweek? (none / 0)

Yeah, they used to be better, but the environment also wasn't as obviously set up to trip up the way they do journalism.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 06:50:33 PM EST
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Gender and Race bias are factors (none / 0)

As a people, we have never, ever, elected anything but white male presidents. All were Protestants except one.

What has happened to make 2008 different? And when did it happen?

Hillary will win if more people vote for her because she is a woman than vote against her because she is a woman. But that some people will vote against her because she is a woman is simply beyond dispute--and the numbers are quite likely higher than what market researchers are able to dig out.


by stevehigh on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:34:22 PM EST

Re: Gender and Race bias are factors (none / 0)

We haven't had any other candidates to vote for.

Your argument is flawed since there has to be a first time sometime. Things change you know.


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by Populism2008 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 04:08:25 AM EST
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Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

Accountability ended many, many years ago.


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by robliberal on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:54:03 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

This isn't entirely post-modern relativism where both epistemology and ontology have no purpose, and everyone is equally correct, is it?

Hey, I resemble that.
by Les Mots et les Choses on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 05:54:48 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

A couple years ago I noticed that Newsweek was better than the other major American news magazines only due to the consistent conservative bias displayed in Time and USN&WR.

Newsweek was different, it would have a story biased in favor of the GOP one week to balance it the next week with an article sure to tick them off.  In the last couple of months its "conventional wisdom" stance is evolving, less a weekly flip-flop and now flip-flops within the same story.

It's a theory.


by elemming on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 06:12:19 PM EST

They're Trying To Wear You Down, Chris (none / 0)

Something analogous to the factually dubious "compassion fatigue."

Call it "outrage fatigue."

That's their ticket.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 07:19:18 PM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (3.00 / 1)

I think the question and probing it is really silly.
I really don't think people go through alot of angst deciding if they will vote for someone based on whether they are black or a woman.
I am a woman and i would never vote for Hillary for any reason - no way.  But, I was estatic the night Nancy Pelosi became Speaker.  I think women are capable - if not more so - in being president.  Any woman but, Hillary.
I am white but am an Obama supporter.  I never thought about whether he was black or whatever when I voted for him for Senator.  He is awesome and that is that.
The other day on Washington Journal there were a couple of republican white men who called and said they would vote for Obama.  They were serious.  They were impressed and were very disgusted and tired of the rep. party and the partisanship.  They wanted someone new and with a vision.
Cross over appeal.
So, I think it's whoever speaks to someone.  Who makes them want to vote and makes them involved in politics and what is happening.
Some feel that way about Edwards.  They are passionate about him and excited.  Some are that way about Guilianni.
I feel lifted and like America can be great again when I listen to Obama.
So, I don't think people go thru all the garbage that newsweek and the pundits think.  It's emotion .
by vwcat on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 11:19:47 PM EST

Senator Clinton (none / 0)

One of the things that has impressed me about Hillary Clinton is the crossover appeal she actually has in the state of NY.  It is one thing to win over the majority in your own party, but she also won the approval of half of the State's Republican voters who give her high marks for the job she is doing as Senator.  She has been a great help to many New Yorkers, both urban and rural; and she will be an effective President as well.  I look forward to her actually getting in front of the cameras more and appearing on talk shows, something she has avoided until this week. Unlike John and Elizabeth Edwards and Barak Obama who are always on one show or another.


by marycontrary on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 12:49:19 AM EST

Re: An Era of Thoroughly Subjective News (none / 0)

I use to subscribe to both time and newsweek until I figured out that they care more about selling magazines than printing the truth.they cant be trusted and thats why I cancelled my subscription.


by idahojim on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 08:39:20 AM EST

Although I agree (none / 0)

I strongly disagree with this article as the forum for this kind of a battle.

This is an opinion article - a subjective article in and of itself. The question "is America ready?" for something could  be ontologically or epistemologically applied to the application of fact, it is a question of conjecture and therefore is not predisposed to such lofty ideal.

For example, suppose I wrote here "Is Chris Bowers Ready for Carefully Worded Disagreement, about his post here on Accountability?"

Then, I may say "Chris' problem is  etc. etc." and so use that literary device we all love and know so well, of trying to define or frame the conversation - as my way of simply expressing my own opinion.

So Chris, your error here is that you've chosen a piece which by its nature is set in the future, not the present - the time specifically discussed is not 2006 because there are no presidential candidates running in 2006 but instead, clearly , 2008 and for that, there are no polls.

-=-

It is hard to disagree with someone whose very idea is so sound, however, being something of a very thick skinned indie kind of anti-lobbyist person, I have to question  why choose this particular forum to battle this out. Its better instead to look at stories that have a stronger bias.

And chris, by the way, it is mydd's power to be objective that I think you will make your  money in! Don't forget google, they have more money than solomon and all they do is return accurate search


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by heyAnita on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 08:47:12 AM EST

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