By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Congress

In two and a half weeks, Democrats will shift from being a party with virtually no power in Washington D.C., to one that controls the legislative branch. It would be foolish to expect a perfectly smooth shift, since there will inevitably be some bumps in the road as we move to, among other things, setting the legislative agenda from responding to it, to crafting large numbers of bills and away from primarily crafting doomed amendments, and to getting nearly equal media time instead of being virtually ignored. Further, in the House and Senate combined, we will have roughly fifty freshman members, our highest numbers in three decades, which will also mean a hoard of new Democratic staffers. Thousands of lobbyists who were, as of just two months ago, the core funders of the Republican "majority," will suddenly pay a lot of attention (and, they hope, money) to Democrats as well. There is just no way a transition like this can be perfectly smooth.

We will also need to make a transition online. For example, at MyDD, we brought on Nancy Scola because, among other reasons, she has professional experience on the Hill that none of our existing writers have (we are mainly just campaign people). However, the change is not restricted simply to the topics we will focus on, and the people who are writing on those topics. Instead, the change also needs to take place in the focus of our criticism. The latest blogswarm on Harry Reid is a particularly good example of the ways in which we need to transition ourselves. Simply put, our behavior today is not how we should be acting anymore.

During the past four years, Democrats had virtually no ability to impact public policy at the federal level. In that environment, when it came to figuring out the type of public policy Democrats would propose if they were in power, the news junkies and activist Democrats of the netroots and the blogosphere had little else to go on except the public statements Democrats made, and the number of times Democratic members of Congress defected to support Republican trifecta legislation (which, in a sense, were also just public statements, since we rarely had any chance of stopping the legislation in question). In most cases, all we could really hope for was a loud and clear message that we opposed current policy and that we would do things differently. It made perfect sense to demand strong messages from our leaders during those years. We needed to oppose Republican trifecta policy as vehemently and cogently as possible in those circumstances, and we needed to whip Democratic members of Congress when they said something stupid / conservative movement enabling. If all you have is the message, then the message must be protected at all costs.

However, times are about to change. What our leaders say in public will quickly mean quite a bit less than what types of legislation and oversight they propose and conduct. For example, if one of our leaders makes a misstep in an interview on a staid, Sunday morning talk show about Iraq, that means a lot less than what that leader does or does not do to facilitate oversight, and what legislation that leader passes to help actually change course in Iraq. In eighteen days, we will possess quite a bit more than a message, and thus we need a new standard of measurement to which we now must hold our leaders. Compared to our new power, one poorly worded response to a "gotcha" type question on a Sunday talk show is virtually meaningless.

I am not saying that message discipline isn't important. I'm not saying we shouldn't do everything we can both to oppose troop increases in Iraq, but also to make sure that the Democratic Party is loud and clear in its opposition to such increases. What I am saying is that when it comes to holding Democratic leaders accountable, our sticks should no longer be focused on stupid public statements, and they should instead be focused on policy and oversight. I seriously doubt Harry Reid will pursue a course of policy that will lead to troop increases. If he does then that is when we need to oppose what he is doing as strongly as possible. However, if we instead throw all of our might against one poorly phrased sentence, we won't be able to mount a more serious opposition to a far more serious development. I mean, if we go apoplectic all the friggin' time, we quickly turn the movement into a bunch of little boys crying wolf. It is by the fruits of the new Congress--legislation and oversight--that we shall know the new Congress. Our old standards are virtually useless when held up to the light of our new power.

Now, all that being said, in the future, here is a simple answer to questions concerning support for troop increases: "it is time to start bringing our troops home, not sending more in." Less than 20% of the country supports increasing troop levels in Iraq. Even leaving aside the issues of bad policy, undermining your own caucus, continued escalation of an immoral war, internal D.C. politics, unfortunate media performances and potential alternative readings of Reid's statement earlier today, numbers like those should make it clear as day to any Democrat that public statements in support of increased troop levels are a terrible idea, even if conditional and qualified.



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I agree, but... (none / 0)

I hope the democratic blogsphere dosn't become a giant talking-point amplifier for "the left" in the same way the republican pundit system was.  We need an independent voice and we need to keep congressional democrats on their toes.

disagreement is a good thing we don't want to be a bunch of talkingpoint spewing robots like the right.  It's ok to have disagreements with "the leaders."

The most important thing is that the democrats govern well. It was the failure of the congress in the early 90s that swept the republicans into power, not some longing for conservative governance (other then in the evangelical community).  As long as the dems don't fuck things up, they should be OK.


by delmoi on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 01:53:52 AM EST

Re: I agree, but...--Question (none / 0)

What is, "the left?"


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by liberal elite on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 11:20:33 AM EST
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Re: By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Co (none / 0)

Point taken, let's keep our eye on the ball.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

...make it clear as day to any Democrat that public statements in support of increased troop levels are a terrible idea, even if conditional and qualified.

[chuckle] I can't remember the last time I saw an elected Democrat say something that wasn't conditional and qualified.

I hope the democratic blogsphere dosn't become a giant talking-point amplifier for "the left" in the same way the republican pundit system was.

Ok now, that's laugh-out-loud funny.

delmoi, I can't see that happeining, even if Kos, Atrios, everyone at MyDD and the Rude Pundit all sold out, there's millions of blogs, people would just route around the shills, or, more likely, do lots of snarky posts about what shills they were.


by justathought on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:12:57 AM EST

Re: By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Co (none / 0)

Interesting Chris.  In some ways this ads up to a SYFP and allow the Dems on the Hill some latitude.  I am not disagreeing with you.  In some ways we need to trust that they will do the right thing over a long period of time, when we are used to working in rapid fire quick response.  We will have to find ways to be useful with our speed for a different purpose.

I am not sure how organized the blogosphere is right now to be able to shift towards that like you have done by hiring Nancy.  I see Markos's promotion on Kagro X in the same vein.  We need people to be able to translate what is happening and give those of us who are used to working on the campaign time to learn the ropes.  We came a long way in the last few years and we have the capability to learn this too.

There is a lot of anticipating building up to the Democratic takeover and right now I fear that expectations will not be matched and it will cause discord.  Legislation moves slowly.  It was one off the first things I learned when I got to DC as an intern.

This should be an interesting discussion.


by juls on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:17:13 AM EST

Re: By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Co (none / 0)

It'll be interesting to watch the blogosphere transition into a governing force.


by Matt Stoller on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 09:43:39 AM EST
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Re: By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Co (none / 0)

I was gonna disagree until I came to your last paragraph.

Reid blew it. Even though I believe his aim was to get a timetable, that's not the way to do it.

1. We don't have the ready troops to send and we need to replace those there now because they're damaged. Please see this.

2. Just because Bush commits to a timetable doesn't mean he'll honor it. He doesn't honor the Geneva Convention nor the Bill of Rights.

3. Its still playing politics with people's lives and that's flat wrong.


by SPIIDERWEB on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:40:11 AM EST

Re: No can Do (none / 0)

What Reid proposed allowing is impossible for the Pentagon to perform.

They said they require 2 to 3 months for the initial buildup they are requesting.  Reid said he wouldn't agree to any build up beyond that period.

In other words, he basically told them they can't send in more troops without actually saying the word, "No."


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by liberal elite on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 11:24:05 AM EST
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That's not what Reid was doing (none / 0)

The reality is (as Reid later stated on C-Span yesterday) that he will back 20,000 additional troops ONLY IF THEY'RE USED TO COVER FOR THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE REST.  This is to avoid what's called "a fighting retreat".

If you want to know what Reid wants to avoid a fighting retreat, go and Google "Chosin Resevoir".


by Phoenix Woman on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 12:47:22 PM EST
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Re: That's not what Reid was doing (none / 0)

And if you want to know why it doesn't matter what Harry Reid says his reason for backing additional deployments is, Google "AUMF" and "domestic surveillance."


by Kagro X on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 01:53:57 PM EST
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Kagro, did you read what I posted AT ALL? (none / 0)

Of course not.

The thing is that if we're going to avoid trying to make a mad overland dash to Turkey or Syria, fighting all the way (don't even bother asking Iran if our troops can go there, not after Bush's saber-rattling), we're going to need to go through the port of Basra in southern Iraq.

And the Brits are barely hanging onto Basra.  They're going to need help to hang onto the port long enough to get us all out.


by Phoenix Woman on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:37:42 PM EST
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Oh, and nice non-sequiturs, by the way (none / 0)

Is that what you do whenever you're losing an argument?

For the people who actually care about facts in context, here's what Reid said on ABC's This Week:

The Senate's top Democrat offered qualified support Sunday for a plan to increase U.S. troops in Iraq, saying it would be acceptable as part of a broader strategy to bring combat forces home by 2008.

[...]

There are about 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and about 5,000 advisers. Combat troops make up less than half of U.S. forces in Iraq.

Incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose party campaigned in the November congressional elections on changing course in Iraq, said he would be open only to a short-term increase.

"If the commanders on the ground said this is just for a short period of time, we'll go along with that," said Reid, D-Nev., citing a time frame such as two months to three months. But a period of 18 months to 24 months would be too long, he said.

"The American people will not allow this war to go on as it has. It simply is a war that will not be won militarily. It can only be won politically," Reid said.

Now, when I saw Reid say that, I immediately realized, as did folks like OneCrankyDom over at DKos, that what Reid was talking about was what BarbinMD called a "protection force" or whatever term one uses for troops sent to cover other troops for a planned withdrawal to avoid things like a desert replay of Chosin.

And sure enough, OneCrankyDom posted this in BarbinMD's diary (and I missed his post until this morning):

Harry was asked about supporting more troops after this weeks show. He was asked on a C-Span interview and he made it clear that he was not going to support more troops for anything over than cover for those troops pulling out. Short term in a way that really means no way. We need to stop jumping on Reid and Pelosi before we know exactly what they are doing. Harry is playing things a little more cagey then most give him credit for.
 

To prove that neither I nor Senator Reid is making up the "cover for a withdrawal" concept out of whole cloth, here's an example from 1996 of how 5,000 American troops were sent to Bosnia to cover the withdrawal of US  forces there.


by Phoenix Woman on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:53:20 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and nice non-sequiturs, by the way (none / 0)

Great. Wonderful.

But speaking of non sequiturs, where's the guarantee that troops committed for a covered retreat will actually be used that way?

That's what I'm actually talking about.

I'm not in a position to dispute how a withdrawal of troops is engineered. So I didn't do it.

What I asked was very, very limited, and very, very simple: why would anyone at this point feel assured that the mission for which the president seeks to commit these troops will remain the one and only mission for which these troops are ever committed?


by Kagro X on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 09:35:35 PM EST
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Also to watch: when actions don't match words (none / 0)

I'm definitely in agreement - we will soon have a lot more of substance to judge the performance of Dem's, instead of merely relying on their words.

We should also be watching out for the great talkers who don't walk the walk.  Being in the minority gave Dem's the ability to pretend to be everybody's friend if they wanted to (eg. "I'm voting against this tax giveaway to corporations, but don't worry Mr. Lobbyist, it's for appearances only and my vote won't stop the bill from being passed...").  

In the majority, they'll be forced to commit to one side or another and make enemies of some people.  And that's how we'll find out whose agenda they actually support.


by PeterB on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:50:37 AM EST

Re: By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Co (none / 0)

Instead of saying "polls say no more troops so more troops is a bad idea" can we instead say "more troops is a bad idea, and the polls say we don't have to listen to this bad idea, we don't have to bargain with this bad idea, we just oppose this god-awful, incredibly unpopular idea."

With the latter logic, I don't feel like my values are just poll numbers.


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by msnook on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 04:47:35 AM EST

I would disagree (none / 0)

With all due respect, there is a huge difference between tactical leadership and strategic leadership

the Democratic congress will have 100 hours to define itself - I think they will do fine

up until this point all you have seen is strategic vision, leadership and talking points - tactics are the province of the party in control

so the mil. leaders are discussing a ramp up tactical to pullout.

thats like saying they want to put out a raging fire before they send the firefighters home, to be sure,

but it is also like saying they need someone there to help them pick up their luggage and put it in the car

isn't that so?


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by heyAnita on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 06:11:56 AM EST

Absolutely (none / 0)

From the start of the 110th, attention will rightly be focussed on the Capitol.

I just wonder how the lefty sphere - and our friends at DKos in particular - will adjust.

My sense is that, on the whole, the sphere does not do detail. Parliamentary manoeuvers, whip counts, rule books - that sort of thing is too petty as the stuff of the enormous surges (to coin a phrase!) of emotion that fuel the megacomment threads that are the marquee events of the #1 venue in the lefty sphere.

Fortunately, we here don't have the numbers to do one of those tsunamis of Onan - attempts come out more like dribbles.

But - well, when it comes to maturity and ability to cope with the detail of government, it's not only going to be the Congressional Dem leaderships who will be under the microscope in the coming months.


by skeptic06 on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:21:57 AM EST

Re: By Its Fruits Shall You Know the Democratic Co (none / 0)

And how can rapid responders fit in here?

Analysis of pending legislation would help us in rebutting dumb newspaper articles, and for urging our reps to vote pro or con.


by joyful alternative on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 10:48:11 AM EST

Re: By Its Fruits (none / 0)

A tree is known by it's fruits.

It will be great to stop parsing everybody's televised utterances syllable by syllable for a change, and actually change the focus to some tangible results.

However, we're going to have to work harder, as you say, in bearing good fruit instead of generic, tasteless, mealy, genetically-engineered for machine picking garbage.

First of all, nobody's mentioned the contractors in Iraq.  They're also talking about SCWOT (So-Called War On Terror) like it actually justifies $800-$900 billion in total funding this fiscal year.

What's the point of listening to politicians who aren't even raising the issue that the Industrial War Power has virtually taken over our government, media, and economy?

What blogs are also excellent for, beyond reporting-critiquing, is coordinating mass actions by the grass roots.

If we want some ripe, juicy, delicious fruit out of this Congress, we may have to plant, cultivate, and harvest it ourselves, together.


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by liberal elite on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 11:34:59 AM EST

Again, Reid wants the 20K ONLY to get the rest hom (none / 0)

Here's the scoop:  http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/12/18/124 36/545


by Phoenix Woman on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 12:48:26 PM EST

Applause (none / 0)

Big props to Bowers for sounding a mature note about seeing the forest instead of obsessing about the trees.  

If only his fellow first pagers will now follow suit, MYDD will be well positioned to take the lead moving forward.  

DailyKos, I fear, is far too past the shark to unjump it.


by Disputo on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 01:22:18 PM EST


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