WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES

The Field of candidates in the 2008 election is becoming truly horrible. . I  don't think I could put aside my beliefs and vote for someone like Hilary Clinton. I would probably grudgingly vote for Obama, not sure I could motivate myself to do anything for him. I'm not sure i could stand looking at Kucinich for 4 years. All the people I would feel strong reasons to do things for keep dropping out.There has to be someone anyone out there to run better than these people, that are currently running. This country is greatly in need of a Highly motivating unifying figure. That transcends party labels, I don't see anyone on the field that is like that. We need better than these people I just don't think we are going to get it.  



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Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (3.00 / 1)

Please suggest at least one person that meets your qualifications. Otherwise this conversation is a non-starter.
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by bedobe on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 04:35:02 PM EST

I'm going with Edwards. (none / 0)

He wants the troops out of Iraq, he wants fair trade, he wants universal health care, he wants public financing of elections, he wants an end to poverty, he wants to restore fairness to taxation. And he's Southern.

Would I have liked Feingold a little bit better? Certainly. But I've decided to forget about the fact that Edwards is coming to the party late, and celebrate the fact that he's the only major candidate to come at all.


by craverguy on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 04:36:14 PM EST

Re: I'm going with Edwards. (none / 0)

Funny, he didn't advocate any of things when he had 6 years in the Senate to do it.  He even voted FOR the war.


by Sandwich Repairman on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 05:29:25 PM EST
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Re: I'm going with Edwards. (none / 0)

Name one candidate for President who voted against the war.


by craverguy on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 01:40:09 AM EST
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Re: I'm going with Edwards. (none / 0)

Kucinich


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by hoose on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 03:04:23 AM EST
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Re: I'm going with Edwards. (none / 0)

Would you vote for him?b


by craverguy on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 03:16:20 AM EST
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Re: I'm going with Edwards. (3.00 / 1)

IMO, if you've defined yourself as a Feingold supporter over the last couple of other years, there's really no other choice.

A Feingold supporter would have to be able to put aside "electability" to some extent.  As much as I love the guy, the twice-divorced Jew issue never went away.  Kucinich is a member of the House and nobody's idea of a movie star.  But the jump's not that huge.

I have a pretty expert knowlege of Feingold's issue positions and haven't found a single palpable difference between his positions and Kucinich's.

Looking at most of the other candidates, Fair Trade separates most of them from the Feingold position.  The Gulf War separates most of them.  The PATRIOT Act and Wiretapping separate most of them.  Death penalty and 3-strikes laws separate most of them.  Bizarrely, the Mexico fence separates some of them.

So, yeah.  I'll vote for Kucinich.  I don't think another Senator will jump into the race.  Of the three Governors that might, I don't see them being able to make a more credible argument that they're more committed to progressive principles than Dennis.

Unless something bizarre happens, my vote's gotta go to Dennis.


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by hoose on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 11:56:28 AM EST
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Re: I'm going with Edwards. (none / 0)

Funny, the twice-divorced schmuck issue never comes up for Gingrich...

Obama was on the record opposing the war in 2002.  That's more than even Howard Dean can say.  Feingold was my 1st choice short of Obama, but as I noted elsewhere, I refuse to vote for Kucinich after wasting my time volunteering my time on his crock of a campaign in 2004.


by Sandwich Repairman on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 04:37:03 PM EST
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Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (none / 0)

We'll That's the point Clinton is going around behind the scene and strong-arming people out of the race.


by orin76 on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 04:55:42 PM EST

Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (none / 0)

I'm sorry I was not impressed with Edwards either in 2004. We really learned nothing about him and the only thing he seemed to be in the 2004 was a personality tutor for John Kerry and he didn't do a very good job of it.


by orin76 on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 05:06:13 PM EST

Re: I'm waiting for General Wesley Clark (none / 0)

I'm waiting for General Wes Clark. If he runs, it will be either Clark or Edwards for me.


by livyoga on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 07:18:16 PM EST

Re: WANTED BETTER REASONING (3.00 / 1)

You say you couldn't work for Obama and then you say, "This country is greatly in need of a Highly motivating unifying figure. That transcends party labels."

I really do not get it. At all.


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by demondeac on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 08:34:35 PM EST

BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (3.00 / 1)

Waste of diary space.  "I can't stand anyone, from Clinton to Bayh to Kucinich..."  You've been asked at least once, who would you like to see run?  Who fits your epic qualifications?


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by Vox Populi on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 09:08:58 PM EST

sounds like a lead in to one of the Governors. (none / 0)

I wonder which one meets the bill, Richardson, maybe Bredesen?

No for me I will take John Edwards anyday, he has been working hard than any of the rest of them for minimum wage, unions, poverty.

Voting for the war wasn't really the issue, how the war was run is the issue. How Bush and his crew completely made it a mess and destroyed the image of America.  They are the ones who are responsible for the disaster the war has become, Not John Edwards.


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by dk2 on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 09:46:05 PM EST

straw man alert! (none / 0)


You say you want better candidates, but then you only list three, and one of them Kucinich!  Edwards is announcing within the week; we'll almost certainly get Bill Richardson - who has both governing and foreign policy experience, and could wind up being our come-from-nowhere success story.  Gore's eternally waiting in the wings...

If Warner and Feingold hadn't dropped out early, this would be the strongest Democratic field I can remember.


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by schroeder on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 09:54:24 PM EST

Re: straw man alert! (none / 0)

Richardson is a sexist fuck with skeletons in his closet.  He ain't goin any higher than statewide office.

Oh, and he's fat.  We live in the TV age.  In fact, we have been for a good 45 years now.  Fat people don't get votes for president.


by Sandwich Repairman on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 04:38:45 PM EST
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The story of my life (none / 0)


by Reptile on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 11:01:51 PM EST

Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (3.00 / 1)

That's the point of the diary not that I know of someone or that there is someone out there that I know. The point is none of these people are a JFK(Kennedy not kerry), Jimmy Carter(1976) or Bill Clinton. Each of those Candidates is missing something. I take offsense to you claim that this is a waste of Diary space I'm sure I am not the only person that finds these candidates lacking.


by orin76 on Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 11:37:43 PM EST

Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (none / 0)

Edwards seems to be running as RFK... which suits me just fine!

I agree for the most part though.  There is no perfect candidate.  Some have voting records that can used against them/that progressives find troubling, some aren't from the most helpful regions, some are uncharismatic, etc


by mbcarl on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 12:43:57 AM EST
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Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (none / 0)

I've written repeatedly on The Fix that I'd rather see a Carter comeback candidacy than Al Gore.  

But what's so appealing to you about Carter and Clinton??  Even JFK was a pretty weak president.  In all honesty, his assassination was his greatest contribution to making progressive laws.


by Sandwich Repairman on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 04:40:22 PM EST
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they are affable likable people.They have a personality that I simply don't see in any of the candidates that have run yet.  Let me quote Saturday night live this was skit on Saturday night live starting George bush to bob dole. right before he lost to Bill Clinton "He's like the uncle who gave you beer when you were underage and he's going to make you his bitch and your going to like it" What Bill Clinton,Carter and Kennedy were is Populists. It's what the county wants. Not ideologs, on either side it's what we didn't when we nominated Kerry, or Dukakis  or Mondale or McGovern. I ask you to look at who won without much help from the dccc or sdcc in the beginning. Who were the candidates that lost    
the extreme ideologs. Bush is only starting to fall apart now because it's clear that's what he is. I have no Idea why people thought Kerry was some sort of compromise candidate.  
by orin76 on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 05:37:11 PM EST
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Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (none / 0)

A lot of people thought Paul Wellstone was an extreme ideologue...and George W. Bush most certainly was one in 2000.  He got a lot of votes because people found him more comfortable to have a beer with, even though Bush is a teetotaler and Gore isn't.

You don't buy Edwards' populism?  You don't think Obama is a populist?  Are you sure Tom Vilsack isn't one?

Wasn't Dean a populist in 2004?  He didn't fare so well.


by Sandwich Repairman on Tue Dec 19, 2006 at 09:12:59 PM EST
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Then... (none / 0)

Why don't you run?

It'll just take a huge commitment of time, toughness  - both mental and physical, a thorough knowledge of the intricacies of governing (well, okay, dubya is a quite spectacular exception to this one), and a real belief that you can make a difference (okay, again, dubya was just looking to enrich his cronies). Just a few examples among many more. As for the rupublicans, they ain't got nothin'.

See how it works, grasshopper?


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by Michael Bersin on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 08:00:28 AM EST

Re: Then... (none / 0)

I'm not old enough


by orin76 on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 05:37:05 PM EST
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Re: Then... (none / 0)

It's never too early to start.

Lay the ground work.


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by Michael Bersin on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 07:26:26 PM EST
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Re: WANTED BETTER PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES (3.00 / 2)

This diary reminds me of the whiny tone that The Economist used in it's 2005 endorsement of Tony Blair:

If the Conservatives, or indeed the Liberal Democrats, were offering an alternative government likely to combine superior fiscal management, fewer burdens on business, liberal policies on immigration and civil liberties, and a foreign policy geared toward further progress in the Middle East and a constructively critical approach to the European Union, The Economist would switch its endorsement.

In a perfect world I'd have a candidate I agreed with 100% of the time and who inspired me every day to do great things. But for those of us living in reality, we'll do our best to affect change as best we can and continue to hold candidates from the democratic party to the highest standard and help them live up to it, instead of whining about unicorns and other mythical creatures like "perfect candidates."


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by Adam Conner on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 01:03:33 PM EST


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