Dems Must Say No to GOP Strongarm Tactics on Organizing Senate

With Democrats potentially ceding control over the Senate with the loss of just a single seat -- whether as a result of a defection, a resignation, an expulsion or, God forbid, a death -- there has been some discussion that the Republicans should hold out for concessions in the agreement organizing the Senate, specifically ensuring that should the composition of the Senate change during the course of the 110th Congress to create a Republican majority (with the tie-breaking vote of Vice President Cheney) that the Republicans would be able to take over the responsibilities and powers generally afforded to the majority. As precedent, the resolution organizing the Senate in 2001 is often cited. Charles Babington has the details on page one of Friday's issue of The Washington Post.

In 2001, Republicans controlled a 50-50 Senate, thanks to Cheney's tie-breaking authority. The chamber suddenly shifted to Democratic control when Sen. James M. Jeffords (Vt.) left the GOP and caucused with Democrats.

Republicans might have managed to thwart the power shift had they not agreed earlier to an organizing resolution granting majority privileges to Democrats if they achieved a numerical advantage. Without that agreement, Republicans might have been able to filibuster or otherwise block Democrats' efforts to reorganize the chamber in their favor.

Daschle negotiated the 2001 deal for his party. Asked if GOP leaders are likely to seek similar language in the next Senate's organizing resolution, Daschle said via e-mail that "it is reasonable to expect that the precedents we set in '00 and '01 will serve as a guide in '07."

To provide more context, which this article is lacking to an extent, Babington leaves out an important aspect the 107th Congress, during which the resolution cited by Sen. Daschle was reached, that is notably missing from the 110th Congress. During the 2000 election cycle, Democrats picked up enough seats in the United States Senate to force a 50-50 tie with Republicans in the chamber. As a result, when Congress organized on January 3, 2001, the Senate was under Democratic control as then-Vice President Al Gore -- who would remain in that position for 17 more days until the inauguration of the next administration -- cast the tie-breaking vote in his own party's favor. Though likely politically untenable, the Democrats could have attempted to hold on to control over the Senate even after the Republican Vice President, Dick Cheney, was sworn in. True, the Republicans would have likely filibustered and generally worked to shut down the chamber in response. But the Democrats did have precedent for maintaining control over the chamber even while technically being in the minority. Babington and Jonathan Weisman explain in another article in the Thursday issue of The Post.

A different scenario unfolded in 1954, after the deaths and replacements of several senators over two years. Republicans remained the majority party even though Democrats eventually outnumbered them, 48 to 47, with one independent. Democratic leader Lyndon B. Johnson did not challenge the GOP's control, in part, historians said, because the independent, Wayne L. Morse of Oregon, warned that he would caucus with the Republicans if need be. That would have led to a 48-48 chamber, and Vice President Richard M. Nixon would have broken the tie in Republicans' favor.

As a result of Democrats' control of the Senate for the first two plus weeks of the 107th Congress and their ability to at least attempt to continue in that position, Senate Republicans, under their then-leader Trent Lott, had no choice but to accept the Democrats demand to temporarily alter tradition by writing into the Senate's organizing resolution that control over the chamber would switch should the Democrats somehow gain another seat.

This is far from the case today, however. Barring a change in the makeup of the Senate before the first week of January, the Democrats will be in control of the chamber from day one of the session and thus Republicans will have no claim whatsoever to preferential treatment. Although Republicans could try to mount an unprecedented power grab by slowing down the Senate or even refusing to agree on an organizing resolution, they understand that such a move would not only be seen as improper by voters, who sent a rather clear message that they did not want to see Republicans in control of either branch of Congress anymore, but also as rather distasteful given the unfortunate events of this week. As such, both Democrats and Republicans understand that the GOP leadership in the Senate does not have the leverage to demand such concessions from the Democratic leadership.

The implications of this reality are important, not only as a result of the excessive and premature speculation by many this week that the Democrats would not be in control over the Senate during the next Congress but also because of the potential that a member of the Senate who intends to caucus with the Democrats might later change his or her mind over the course of the next two years. Should said member decide to caucus with the Republicans after the first week of January, the absence of the aforementioned special concession in the Senate's organizing resolution would mean that the Democrats could remain in control of the chamber -- even as Republicans would technically have the majority with the tie-breaking vote of the Vice President.

So the Democrats must not follow the suggestions of Tom Daschle by using "the precedents we set in '00 and '01 [...] as a guide in '07" but should instead follow the longer-standing and more pertinent traditions of the Senate by crafting an organizing resolution that fully protects their rights as the majority in the Senate.



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The plain fact is (3.00 / 1)

it is not just their majority they are protecting.

It is the ability of this government to function the effectiveness the American people, and the world on the brink.

Republicant bipartisanship is an elusive quantity.  It's invisible until they need a convenient beard or  they can feel your foot on their throat.

And not one moment before or after.


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by boadicea on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 03:03:14 AM EST

Strongarm Tactics on Organizing Senate (none / 0)

Republicans would have to be drunk AND high on meth to think that any Democrat in their right mind would cede that in case of a tie, they win - even though they lost the election BIG TIME.

"..should the composition of the Senate change during the course of the 110th Congress to create a Republican majority (with the tie-breaking vote of Vice President Cheney) that the Republicans would be able to take over the responsibilities and powers generally afforded to the majority."


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by dkmich on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 06:26:11 AM EST

Re: Strongarm Tactics on Organizing Senate (none / 0)

"Republicans would have to be drunk AND high on meth to think that any Democrat in their right mind would cede that in case of a tie, they win - even though they lost the election BIG TIME."

Unfortunately, you have to keep in mind a particular someone we'll call "Joe L."  Any threat to switch caucuses becomes much more dangerous to Democrats if that compromise is in place.  Considering that this could give him a ridiculous amount of power, I can't see him opposing it.


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by Shocker Jim on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:22:59 AM EST
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Re: Strongarm Tactics on Organizing Senate (none / 0)

Unfortunately, as illustrated in the diary, some Democrats -- in the name of so-called bipartisanship and comity -- would be unwise and willing to give into republicans' demands... just look at Dashle's comment, "it is reasonable to expect that the precedents we set in '00 and '01 will serve as a guide in '07."
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by bedobe on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:27:38 AM EST
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Concur (none / 0)

what more can one say of such a complete, and tactful post, but simply that - we concur.

speaking from my own personal experience however there is great cause to be optimistic about the recovery of sen. J


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by heyAnita on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:34:33 AM EST

Dems need to figure angles (none / 0)

Let's suppose Johnson is too ill to carry on, resigns after the votes for organization the Senate and Rounds appoints a GOP.

And there's no sort of 01 Lott/Daschle agreement.

The GOP will want to use a mixture of parliamentary shenanigans and public opinion to get the Dems to agree to something like Lott/Daschle.

All sorts of filibuster-style tactics available, of course; but appearing merely obstructive sore losers wouldn't do it.

They need to make the Dems look the bad guys for using a parliamentary trick of their own - ie, that the organization is once and for all for each Congress.

And make it the CW that any obstruction springs from the fundamental unfairness of the Dems not agreeing to recognize changed realities.

Because the doings of the 110th are really just preparation for the big fight in 08 - a Dem victory in the 110th would be Pyrrhic if they damaged their chances of retaining control - possibly in a trifecta.


by skeptic06 on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:36:03 AM EST

Why Should Johnson Resign???? (none / 0)

This is crazy.  As pointed out yesterday, there's no precedent for it, no reason for it.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:10:54 AM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

...let's say the doc says he's got another 30 years in him if he retires, a year if he doesn't.

There is absolutely nothing legally to stop him continuing to draw his salary from the comfort of his armchair for the next couple of years.

As you say, it's been done before.

But, clearly, the GOP are not going to give him a restful retirement.

They'll say that, what Carter Glass or Karl Mundt did decades ago is of no relevance to politics today.

I don't know Johnson - if he's a ward heeler at hard, it'll be water off a duck's back.

On the other hand, weakened (as I'm hypothesizing he will be, for the sake of example) by his illness, with a wife who's a breast cancer survivor, and a family whose concern for the political fortunes of the Democratic Party will rank somewhat below that for their father (hard as that may be for some to credit), Johnson may well be tempted to make a clean break.

Or, perhaps Johnson makes a full recovery, and it's some other Dem senator who croaks, who represents a state with similar rules to SD's on appointment of US senators.

The angles need to be figured.


by skeptic06 on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 11:02:04 AM EST
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You're Still Playing In Their Frame (none / 0)

and the more work you do to justify it, the worse you make it.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.  So, here's Nancy Reagan's truth:  Just say no!


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:24:03 PM EST
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What?! (none / 0)

I'm not much into either sports or warfare.

But I'd rather got the impression that anticipating the strategy and tactics of one's opponents or enemies was a pretty important part of preparing for the game (or battle).

It's certainly essential in politics, for anyone who isn't content with the prospect of going down as a quixotically unsullied loser.


by skeptic06 on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:46:59 PM EST
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I Need To Be Clearer (none / 0)

It's not the anticipation I have a problem with.  It's the articulation.

And as for the anticipation part, I think you're missing the big picture, which Kargo X dissects quite well over at Dkos.  It's a heck of a lot more about reorganizing the Senate at the start of the term than about anything else.  And that's done by a straight majority vote.  50-49 is a majority, just as much as 51-49 is.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 02:33:50 PM EST
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A horrible idea (none / 0)

I agree with most here; allowing some sort of power sharing agreement vis'a'vis Lott/Daschle would be a "non-starter" in that it would it would render our 'takeover' of the senate moot.

It is vital for us to have a majority on all committees, so that we can stop bad judges and bad legislation before it gets to the floor. Further, it would hurt our electoral chances in 2008 as the American people would gaze with confusion at why the democrats couldn't get things done in the senate after 'taking over' the chamber in 2006.  

Even if Johnson is not fully recovered anytime soon, he should refuse to resign until 2008 at the earliest. As a front page post mentioned yesterday there is some precedent for him to stay in his position despite any illness or incapacitation.


by bjschmid on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:52:14 AM EST

Re: A horrible idea (none / 0)

I see no difference between Johnson's condition and time needed for recovery and Joe Biden's ordeal in the 80s.

The only difference I think is that Biden's surgery was elective (was it?) while Johnson's was an emergency.

Biden took 6 months to recover. If Johnson needs that long, then there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to resign, just so Republicans could take over the senate.


by adamterando on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:15:53 AM EST
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Re: A horrible idea (none / 0)

most stroke recovery , what of it, that can be completed is done in six months to a year however some stroke survivors power on for two years and make progress.

one japanese woman took six years but won back her ability to swim after a massive debilitating stroke.

"Tim Johnson has continued to have an uncomplicated post-operative course. Specifically, he has been appropriately responsive to both word and touch. No further surgical intervention has been required.""


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by heyAnita on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:28:06 AM EST
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Re: A horrible idea (3.00 / 1)

Arlen Specter underwent 8 months of debilitating chemo within the last year and no one suggested he should resign.


by phillydem on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:41:51 PM EST
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Re: A horrible idea (none / 0)

Yes, where are all the news reports talking about how the incoming Governor of PA could replace Specter with a Democrat?  


by RickD on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 03:10:30 PM EST
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Re: A horrible idea (none / 0)

This isn't the huge deal that the media is making it to be.  Even if Johnson doesn't show up, it's still 50-49.  If necessary, he can resign in mid-2007 to force an election in 2007, pending any quirk in SD law.  In the meantime, Dems should show the people of the US (and especially SD) that there is a clear choice between what Dems and R's offer for governance.


by brooklynmfs on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:21:26 AM EST
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Re: A horrible idea (none / 0)

This isn't the huge deal that the media is making it to be.  Even if Johnson doesn't show up, it's still 50-49.  If necessary, he can resign in mid-2007 to force an election in 2007, pending any quirk in SD law.  In the meantime, Dems should show the people of the US (and especially SD) that there is a clear choice between what Dems and R's offer for governance.


by brooklynmfs on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:21:41 AM EST
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Lieberman (none / 0)

If Lieberman is smart and he wants to keep his leverage, he will try to force the Democrats to make this deal again (by threatening to defect immediately). That way, he will have more power over the next two years, since he can threaten to throw control to the Republicans at any time.


by pualo on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:18:47 AM EST

Let's stop demonizing Lieberman (none / 0)

He has voted with the leadership much more often than many of his Democratic colleagues.  There are several members of both parties who might switch but probably won't.

Jeffords switched because he was treated intolerably by his party.

We obviously need every single Democrat and will for a long time, so let's support Reid in respecting the conservatives and moderates in the caucus.


by stevehigh on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:28:58 AM EST

For The Umpteenth Millionth Time... (3.00 / 1)

We're not demonizing Lieberman.  He's demonizing us.  And that's what's the matter with him, not his voting record.  It's not about being moderate or conservative.  It's about consistently attacking the party and giving cover to Bush on national TV.

He demonizes us.  We tell the truth about it.  Lieberman defenders go crazy, and accuse us falsely of not tolerating moderates and conservatives.  And we tell the truth again.

Like this.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:07:57 AM EST
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We need ALL 50 votes (none / 0)

Paul, I would much prefer that Ned Lamont were Senator from CT.

Nevertheless, he isn't.

Are you suggesting that Lieberman has somehow offered Bush and the Republicans cover on the issue of organizing the Senate? I don't believe he has.

We are in a very precarious battle of wills between our 50 and their 49; I don't think anyone here should post anything gratuitiously critical of Lieberman or any other Democrat right now.

Speculating about what we fear Lieberman might do is, I submit, gratuitious.


by stevehigh on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:28:21 AM EST
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The WHOLE Discusssion Is Gratuitous (3.00 / 1)

Senators resign when they choose to. Not before.  And they don't resign just because they are gravely ill.  They just don't.

The GOP is trying to hold onto power by making up new rules one more time.  And we legitimate them by taking it seriously.

The correct response is that of Nelson Muntz:  Ha-ha!


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:29:35 PM EST
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Re: Let's stop demonizing Lieberman (none / 0)

I agree.  Let's stop demonizing Lieberman.  He'll do it himself pretty soon.

Democratic control of the Senate is relatively unimportant.  The Democrats hold the House, with tough guys like Waxman and Dingell running oversight committees.  There's no real hope of passing any good Democratic legislation anyway, until Bush is finally gone.

If the GOP controls the Senate, idiots like Stevens and rubber men like Specter will still be committee chairs.  But so what?  Fascist Bush legislation won't pass the House anyway, so how much does it matter?  McCain and Specter can't work their phony "compromises" with the White House, because the House won't play along.  And all it takes is one actual traditional Republican like Lugar or Collins to defeat ravening Winger appointees like John Bolton.  Or, the Dems could filibuster.  Nuclear option?  The way the zeitgeist tide is running, no way.  The voters might actually be paying attention.

For the Democrats to hold on to their one-vote majority requires kowtowing to Joe Lieberman, instead of horsewhipping him as he deserves.  It's not worth it.


by drlimerick on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:23:46 AM EST
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Re: Let's stop demonizing Lieberman (3.00 / 1)

Democratic control of the Senate is relatively unimportant.

Well, it's the difference between Barbara Boxer or James Inhofe being in charge of global warming policy, among other things.  Those stakes are rather high.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:36:57 PM EST
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Re: Let's stop demonizing Lieberman (none / 0)

As long as we're speculating about who is ill or ailing or old, I would much rather have a slim dem majority in the Senate when/if JP Stevens decides to retire. Remember, judges get approved by the senate and it would be nice to have a slim defense against the worst of the worst.


by jujube on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:13:50 PM EST
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And, of course... (none / 0)

Not ONE sitting Republican is talking about switching to Dem, not even in exchange for keeping the chair of their subcommittee.

Remember that, those of you who think there is such a thing as a "moderate Republican".  They are ALL fanatics.


by admiralnaismith on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:44:44 AM EST

That's more than I know (none / 0)

Reid has a better record than McConnell in this regard.

The Republicans have held their caucus together with threats and bribes, and they are running short of both these days.


by stevehigh on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:32:25 AM EST
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Re: Dems Must Say No to GOP (none / 0)

It's in situations like this why having a backbone matters. if you can't even fight for what is right here, then when are you ever going to fight for anything. No one who claims they want to govern should even entertain the idea, and yet, I suspect some would out of fear of not appearing bipartisan. There is nothing bipartisan about bending over to be screwed by the other side. The difference between the GOP and the Democratic Parties can be seen here as well. The GOP is willing to do whatever it takes to gain power, and simply put, we aren't. We don't need to become them, but we do need to realize who we are talking about that they would even use such a circumstance to argue such a position. If anyone wants to think of a difference, two words: Strom Thurmond.


by bruh21 on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 09:57:06 AM EST

Can We FINALLY Stop Hearing Talk Of Daschle (none / 0)

As A Presidential Contender?

He doesn't even understand the special circumstances of the deal he brokered, and gives the GOP all the rhetorical support they could possibly want.

I know we haven't talked about him running around here.  But you do hear it mentioned from time to time.  If there's any silver lining at all to these stupid remarks, that should be it.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:03:42 AM EST

Rest easy (none / 0)

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles /2006/12/04/news/south_dakota/4f6337fa60 ad9f028625723a0019db69.txt


by stevehigh on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:35:57 AM EST
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I'm A Buffy, The Vampire Slayer Fan (3.00 / 1)

I don't believe that burial is enough.  I believe in driving stakes through their hearts.


by Paul Rosenberg on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:25:25 PM EST
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Re: Dems Must Say No to GOP Strongarm Tactics on O (3.00 / 1)

The difference between now and the "precedent" of 2001 is that, by insisting on a special clause in the present Senate, Republicans are seeking a resolution that says "if Sen. Johnson drops dead, we get a do-over."  That's ghoulish and horrifying.  No similar situation presented itself in 2001.

This doesn't even have to be spun by the Democrats.  The issue is self-evident.  It's completely disgusting to start writing rules based upon the possibility that a specific member of the body might DIE, for heaven's sake.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:40:29 PM EST

On Organizing the Senate (none / 0)

Jonathan,

Is it clear that the Vice President votes on the organizing resolution if there's a tie vote?  I have seen it said that he does not.  


by David in NY on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 01:51:53 PM EST

Re: On Organizing the Senate (none / 0)

It seems pretty clear from the Senate Rules and from Riddick's Senate Procedure that the Vice President gets to vote on any tied matter. I can't find any mention in those sources of any tie vote in which the V.P. is disallowed from voting.


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by bschak on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 02:18:35 PM EST
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Re: On Organizing the Senate (none / 0)

I'm not sure - but I'm interested!

I've looked at the section on the VP in Riddick's - nothing there to suggest that he can't vote on an organizing res.

The res that governed the (to start with) 50-50 107th Senate, that is, S Res 8, was passed by UCA.

I assume the res governing the 83rd (Ike's first, and the one mentioned as a precedent for a party starting out as the majority, losing its majority, but without ceasing to organize the Senate) was also passed by UCA, since Voteview shows no sign of a roll call vote on such a res.


by skeptic06 on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 02:30:02 PM EST
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