Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy

The legacy of Bill Clinton's presidency is a complicated one for the progressive movement, and for the Democratic Party. On the positive side, he was a Democrat who actually occupied the White House, something that not many Democrats have been able to do since 1968. He also gave the Democratic Party a very strong branding of fiscal responsibility (a brand that has only improved under the last six years of the Bush administration), and as a reality-based, problem solving party. On the negative side, there are virtually no examples of good legislation he passed that have not since been wiped away by the Bush administration. Further, his most important legislative initiative, universal health care, failed. Also, when Clinton took office in 1992, the Democratic Party had a solid trifecta in DC and a clear majority in the states. When he left office eight years later, the situation had entirely reversed, and Democrats were struggling on the electoral front virtually everywhere. There is also an interesting paradox where the sense among progressives during the 1990's that we were no longer welcome in the Democratic Party played a key role in reviving the progressive movement, which has in turn helped to revive the Democratic Party.

I bring all of this up because with potential nominees such as Gore and Hillary Clinton, the 2008 campaign could largely turn on a debate about America in the 1990's versus America in the 2000's. At first I didn't think there is anyway we can lose this debate (I mean, does anyone like the direction of the country over the last six years more than they did during the 1990's?), but now I wonder if those most closely associated with Bill Clinton's legacy and Presidency are taking the right approach in discussions of that legacy. Will we have the right frames to talk about his Presidency in the event of such a debate? Consider, for example, Mike McCurry in a recent speech at Princeton:
Striking a tone of slight frustration, President Bill Clinton's former press secretary Mike McCurry '76 characterized the Clinton presidency as a period of significant achievement marred by an increasingly adversarial press and partisan Congress in a lecture to students and visitors in Dodds Auditorium yesterday morning.

Despite Clinton's many domestic and international advances during his two terms as president, McCurry said, above all, "the record and legacy of the Clinton presidency is, dare I use the word, 'stain.' "

"In some ways, he had enormous potential and political gifts. But, they didn't arise because of his lack of discipline," McCurry added.
While it would be useful to have a transcript of the speech before passing judgment upon it, I can't help but think that the use of the word "stain" to summarize Clinton's legacy by a member of his inner circle is, well, anything but bizarre. Stain? This might even violate one of my rules of Realpolitik, where Democrats are not supposed to criticize other Democrats in the same manner as Republicans. I am not convinced of that, however, since I doubt McCurry would say something about Clinton in public of which Clinton himself would not approve. Why he would approve of it? I have no idea.

Further, I am not really sure how I would use a quick frame to put the Clinton years in a positive light. Somehow, that is something we never developed. The problem seems to be that we, as both Democrats and progressives, have not done a very good job of defining the Clinton legacy. It is not entirely our fault--I don't think we have been offered very good ways to define the legacy from Clintonistas like McCurry. Remember the "bridge to the 21st century?" What did that even mean? It was pretty weak, which is one of the reasons why even though Clinton was a very popular President, his time in office escapes easy definition.

It isn't the most immediate priority, but I think we need to do some work better coming to grips with how we would define the Clinton presidency. Any thoughts on how you would define his legacy would be welcome in the comments.



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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

The way I'd like to see his legacy discussed is this: Competent Centrism.

Not only because I think that's accurate, but because branding a Democratic President as 'centrist' (and competent, but mostly the former) strikes me as very useful indeed.


by BingoL on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:48:08 PM EST

Noooooooo!!!! (none / 0)

The unstated implication to touting "centrism" is that liberalism/progressivism is too extreme. We should be defending and promoting liberalism and progressivism, and not maligning it as the other side of the extremist coin from conservatism. Goddammit, when are we going to start promoting our own brand like conservatives have for decades?!!


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by miasmo on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:55:16 PM EST
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Re: Noooooooo!!!! (none / 0)

no it isn't. The underlying belief behind centrism is that the middle might be the best way to govern.


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:13:32 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

If Clinton's legacy is "a stain", what say we of dubya's? A shredded Constitution is just the start.


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by Michael Bersin on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:49:51 PM EST

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"The problem seems to be that we, as both Democrats and progressives, have not done a very good job of defining the Clinton legacy."

Name three things Clinton did in office that progressives could be proud of.


by craverguy on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:51:44 PM EST

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1. balanced the budget
2. embraced science, education, rationality
3. performed with a level of competence requisite of the job
4. invented the internet (Seriously, I remember the speeches promoting the building out of the "information superhighway" and not knowing what the hell they were talking about. They promoted policies that nurtured the high tech boom that really did raise incomes for average Americans and transform the world economy.)
5. that national service program thing
6. cut the military budget
7. raised taxes on the rich (see #1.)
8. made a valiant attempt to deliver universal healthcare (that was foiled by evil Republicans conspiring with big evil insurance companies)
9. didn't get us into any disastrous quagmires

What did they fuck up?

1. "free" trade i.e. NAFTA, GATT, etc.
2. did nothing substantial on energy independence

We should play up the positives. On the negatives, Republicans can't blame Clinton for behaving like a Republican without trashing their own ideology. Although I do think that, along with healthcare, fair trade and energy independence should be at the heart of any '08 platform.


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by miasmo on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:18:06 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

In addition to all these things Clinton vigorously enforced the Fair Credit Act and Community Reinvestment Act, which had the effect of sending millions of dollars in capital into black neighborhoods.

Clinton reformed FEMA into a well functioning agency. Alas, a reform that was tragically undone.

Clinton also came up with the idea of having the BATF audit gun dealers based on the number of their guns which would up used in crimes. He also came up with the idea of sharing BATF licenses with local governments, so that NY City and others could shut down those who were operating gun dealerships in violation of local law. Thus thousands or irresponsible and outright criminal dealers were shut down. There was a fanstastic drop in the homocide rate within a year of Clinton taking power.

The Family Medical Leave Act.

I think the most important part of Clinton's legacy is that he killed the myth that you cannot have full employment and low inflation at the same time. Because of his prosperity no one can ever say that again.

Clinton was best President of my life time, it makes me sick that those who cast themselves as progressives feel a need to dump on him. We cannot build a movement if we feel called upon to dump on every success we win. Clinton's two terms were a great victory. Let us rejoice and see how we can repeat it.

Where would Mike McCurry be without Clinton? That he dumps on Clinton gives me a really really low opinion of him.


by Alice Marshall on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:49:29 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (3.00 / 2)

You left out two: Real wages went up.  Poverty went down.  To me, these are the two most important things that can win back the middle/working class and white suburbia for Democrats.  It completely erases the notion of "Reagan Democrats," because Bill Clinton met their needs better than Reagan did, even if Reagan sold his narrative better.


by gas28man on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 04:43:31 PM EST
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Clinton is really a progressive (none / 0)


by jasmine on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 09:40:47 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

For his legislation; it is not his fault that this administration has dismantled what he tried to do. That should NEVER be judged against him.

Universal Health Care as well should not be held against him as the people rejected it.

As for majorities, sure some blame can go on his shoulders but at the same time, where we lost a lot  of ground was in the south and that was inevitable.

I would argue the "progressives" had very little to do with the re energizing of the party and probably did not win us anything this year. Not casting stones, just don't think so.

So to judge his legacy is kind of hard. I think legacy wise, he doesn't have much (at no fault of his own). Presidentially, I think he did a great job. His fiscal oversight is not something that will get written up in history with breathless praise.

Kosovo was a great success but unfortunately incompetence after his involvement soiled the result of his efforts.

I'm frankly tired of progressives whining about Clinton etc. I don't think the progressive movement has much resonance with voters (see UHC above). But to answer your question, he proposed UHC which is a good thing. He had fiscal responsibility which progressives love. He appointed a ton of minorities and women to high level positions. He successfully intervened in one human rights crisis (which is our best human rights record to date). Oh wait, you only wanted three examples.


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:03:25 PM EST

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Universal health care damn well should be held againt him.  He very publicly farmed it out to Hillary, and then came out with a proposal so insanely complicated that noone could understand it, and then didn't lay the necessary groundwork with congress, causing it to be rejected in committee from within a Democratically controlled Congress.  It was a collosal fiasco from start to finish, and the degree to which it was a fiasco had a lot to do with how it was sold and put forward


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:26:17 PM EST
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healthcare (none / 0)

Like all she needed to do was come out with a simple efficient plan and then the insurance companies and healthcare industry would all hold hands and sing Kumbaya. She had immensely powerful corporate interests in league with the entire Republican caucus fighting her the whole way. She tried to come up with something that could get passed. Sometimes political reality means the only possible solution is a complicated solution that compromises with the powerful interests involved. I am no fan of Hillary, but I am not buying into the idea that the failure was Hillary's fault. It was the fault of those who successfully killed it.


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by miasmo on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:29:18 PM EST
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Re: healthcare (none / 0)

There is some truth in what you say, but in reality what drove the stake through Clinton-care's heart was the political maneuvering that Hillary tried to use to get it passed (i.e. instead of positing it as a stand-alone bill, tacking it on as an amendment to the appropriations bill, which is a must-pass, minimal-debate, small-time-window piece of legislation).  It was a power move to make sure it passed with minimal changes.

The Congressional power elites on both sides of the aisle -- rightly I would say -- deeply resented not being allowed their say.  It was seen as an arrogant and disrespectful rookie move, particularly in the Senate, where they like to have you come kiss their rings first, so to speak.  It was a pretty good bill, and Bill did not "farm it out."  He had every confidence Hillary had the brains to sell it, which was true.  Call it naivete, call it political tone-deafness, or call it arrogance, or maybe a mix of all three.  That was what effectively killed Clinton-care.


by gas28man on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 04:53:10 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (2.66 / 3)

that's easy: Peace & Prosperity


by alarabi7 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:12:37 PM EST

Peace & Prosperity (none / 0)

precisely so


by Alice Marshall on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:25:25 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

And a growing sense of spiritual/existential emptiness in society.

That is how I see it.

Then Bush came and gave us something to fight against, and life in America became meaningful again. Life is best lived under times of progressive leadership or fascist hardship. The bland centrism is just so... bland.  


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:59:49 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

I wonder if the family members of those who died in Iraq or Katrina feel that way.


miasmo.com
by miasmo on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:32:50 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

that's exactly what I was going to post, if no one else had yet.  are you remembering the same onion article I am?

the "peace" part is especially important.  terrorists wanted to attack america in during the clinton administration (remember seattle at the millenium?) but bill clinton helped protect america.


by terry312 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 06:05:00 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

I think we should define Clinton's legacy as "peace and prosperity".  During the Clinton years we weren't at war with the world and (especially Clinton's second term) most people were making more money, not just the rich.

If I had to name three progressive achievements from Bill Clinton, I'd say:

1.  Balancing the budget (or increased tax fairness)

  1.  Better relations with our foreign allies
  2.  Shared prosperity

Even though Clinton could have done better in a lot of ways, overall, he still did a very good job and most Americans were helped by his leadership.


by econlibVA on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:13:37 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (3.00 / 2)

Peace, prosperity but not much progress.  Not getting anything on health care hurt his legacy but was worse for the millions of Americans who continued to be left out.  But Peace & Prosperity? Not bad.


by howardpark on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:18:58 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

Bridge to the 21st Century? Interesting that you thought that it was weak. I've long thought that it was quite brilliant narrative framing of the middle class progressive agenda as seen from the perspective of 1992/3.

Clinton would probably use the phrase peace and prosperity to sum up the outcome of the clinton years.


by blueflorida on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:28:00 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (3.00 / 1)

the thing that really bothers me about Clinton is how little he did to rein in big business during his time in office--the culture of corruption in corporate America certainly festered during the nineties, and Clinton casually signed off on the weakening of the SEC that the Republicans pushed for in 1994


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:30:13 PM EST

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If he was Republican lite or whatever other BS people throw at centrists, then I don't think he would have been as despised by them as he was. nor would he dislike repbulicans as much as he has his ENTIRE CAREER.


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:33:47 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (3.00 / 0)

The more conservative the democrat, the more republicans rail against them--if they let the word get out that there are centrist democrats out there, then their whole 'left wing bias' meme goes down the toilet.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:41:19 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

Howard Dean? Nancy Pelosi? Cynthia McKinney? Should I go on?


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:45:07 PM EST
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Dean, Pelosi, McKinney (none / 0)

Howard Dean was a centrist governor. Do you consider him a leftwing nutjob for being right about Iraq? Nancy Pelosi is really not far left. Like most Dems, she is on slightly left of center on cultural issues and slightly right on economic issues. McKinney is indeed a genuine leftist.


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by miasmo on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:43:59 PM EST
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Re: Dean, Pelosi, McKinney (none / 0)

OK then, Teddy Kennedy doesn't get rile GOPers? Don't mess around with the facts. Dean didn't get GOP angry over his governorship, it was his presidential campaign which was NOT moderate/centrist. And the ocean is not that wet...


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:26:27 PM EST
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Re: Dean, Pelosi, McKinney (none / 0)

let's look at centrists and conservative Dems and see how much hatred the GOP has for them...

Ben Nelson-not so much
Lieberman-not so much
Zell-not so much

I can continue if you would like...


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:27:29 PM EST
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Legacy: What NOT to do (3.00 / 0)

He won, we lost.

His legacy would be considered a complete disaster except for the fact it coincided with the whole internet/tech thingy.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:37:54 PM EST

Re: Legacy: What NOT to do (none / 0)

such insightful analysis. Tell me why Clinton was bad for anyone.


by edhula3 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:45:44 PM EST
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Re: Legacy: What NOT to do (3.00 / 1)

If you live in the Midwest, you'd know that the 90's weren't so great if you worked in a factory.  While nothing like the the utter collapse of manufacturing in the first half of this decade, it wasn't pretty.  

Clinton passed NAFTA, against the objections of Congressional Democrats.  Whatever things you may through at Dick Gephardt for the Iraq War, Gephardt stood solid on labor and environmental protections in trade deals.  

Our current Speaker voted for the passage of PNTR  for Vietnam against the majority of her caucus.  This gives an important clue as to how we can expect the current leadership to respond when Fast Track comes up for renewal next year.

The new set of Democrats elected to the House aren't free trade lovers in the way that Pelosi (Voting against CAFTA when the press was on it doesn't make you a voice for fair trade it means she know which way the wind was blowing.) and so many others have been.  


by ManfromMiddletown on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:21:56 PM EST
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Ummm.... (1.00 / 1)

There's a lot to like Clinton for but let's not make things up.  Any student of politics, any casual student knows that the "fiscal responsibility" you refer to as Clinton's was crammed down his throat against his will by the Republican Congress.  They cut EVERY budget he ever submitted and he never submitted a balanced budget.

Now,being the canny politician that he is he later tried to claim responsibility for the Republican's budget balancing just like he tried/tries to claim responsibility for the Welfare Reform bill he fought tooth and nail and vetoed twice (until Dick Morris told him if he vetoed it again he'd lose his re-election bid).

There was nothing particularly "fiscally responsible" about Clinton...sorry...


by The Last Liberal on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:40:46 PM EST

Re: Ummm.... (3.00 / 1)

His first budget passed without a single Republican vote.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:49:15 PM EST
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Re: Ummm.... (none / 0)

What changed between 1992 and 1996?

Clinton campagined as a populist, talking about national health insurance, but governed as an economic conservative. What happened beween 1992 and 1996 that led to Clinton to stop talking about national health care, and start saying things like the "era of big government is over"?

It's this legacy of being promised one thing and given another that makes people suspcious.  And here in the Midwest the economy wasn't so great in the 1990's.  The pace at which the factories where being shipped overseas was slower than now, but everyone was pissed at Clinton for NAFTA.


by ManfromMiddletown on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:30:26 PM EST
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Re: Ummm.... (none / 0)

Clinton raised revenue by raising taxes on the rich. He cut the military budget. He supported pay-as-you-go rules that helped constrain spending. While his spending priorities were obviously different than Republicans, he was on board with the goal of cutting the deficit. This was probably due to the influence of Robert Rubin.

Cheney, on the other hand, famously said to Paul O'Neill that, "Reagan showed us that deficits don't matter."


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by miasmo on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:51:51 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

One thing I would object to is the common assertion or at least association of Clinton with the Democrats losing Congress.  I don't think that's the case.  The Democratic House just prior to 1994 wasn't exactly a shining example of the Progessive Movement.  Newt effectively campaigned against their flaws and beat them.  Had there been another Democrat in the White House or a Republican I think their decent from power was inevitable.  The balance of power in the Senate was  more delecate. Perhaps Clinton should have done more to maintain it.  


by blueryan on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 03:29:26 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (3.00 / 1)

This would be the same Mike McCurry who tried to kill net neutrality on behalf of Big Telecom, yes?  'Nuff said.  I don't give a rip what that corporate-sellout douchebag thinks about anything.  


by ChicagoJason on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 04:10:42 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

amen.


by the wanderer on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:14:00 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

Clinton had a Democratic understanding of what was important, and his policies were naturally miles better than they would have been under even the moderate Republicans of the past.

Even so, all I can ever remember about Clark was how he felt he needed to spend all of his political capital persuading a Republican Congress to vote for NAFTA --- even though NAFTA was something he really had no need to do, as he could be assured that any Republican president would have ushered it in.  (I'm not commenting on its content, just saying that it was a Republican issue.  And that was what he chose as a signature piece which required him to dole out favors to numerous members of Congress.  That.)

Oh --- there's no way that "stain" remark was vetted.  I assume we're talking about Monica's dress here.  And that McCurry was just expressing his frustration with press coverage.  But no, that's not the kind of thing we want repeated.


by catherineD on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:35:17 PM EST

Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (none / 0)

Oops.  Clinton not Clark.  


by catherineD on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:35:55 PM EST
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Re: Trying to Understand Clinton Legacy (2.00 / 1)

I think the Clinton legacy is largely irrelevant unless Hillary runs. Because I talk to many people offline, most who are non-activists, the things that stand out are these:

1) He gave good funerals.

2) He played the sax, which gave him a 'coolness' factor to boomers.

3) He had massive appeal to Black voters.

4) Women liked him. I recall many in an odd collection of celebrity women who publicly expressed a desire to 'do him', even women much younger.

5) He passed the family leave act, which surprising numbers remember.

6) It was a prosperous time for the country, for sure. Homelessness dogged Reagan and Bush, not so for Clinton. Serious wage gains occurred for many, for the first time since the 60s. Despite losing the manufacturing base, most of the country will credit him for the prosperity they were experiencing.

7) Hillary gets most of the heat for the botched healthcare plan, as 70% of the country wanted an affordable healthcare plan.

8)He did okay with Bosnia. And he clearly contained Hussein sufficiently to make that a selling point.

But the fact remains that a majority of white male voters didn't like him and in two elections - even while handily defeating Dole - he could not gain 50% popular support. When you consider that a major strength is his capacity to campaign (and he was the first master campaigner I've seen since Nixon, and will always be the go-to guy for campaign advice like the retired Nixon was) it's telling that he couldn't gain 50%.

I'd maintain that the electorate was badly polarized well before Bush. Bush just capitalized on the divide and made it more vicious, but it really preceded him.

So again, I don't think it's critical to anything to define his legacy for this race, unless Hillary's the candidate. And the key to success for her will be how well she polls in heartland bellwether states like MO and OH.

Since the GOP tends to anoint guys 'when it's their turn', what I see shaping up is a divided conservative base (Brownback/Romney/others) and moderate Republicans going for Giuliani. But it's really McCain's turn, and he knows how to run a national campaign.

The best counter the Dems have is to put up young vs. old, much as the nation faced in Clinton v. Dole. Which means Obama and Edwards still offer the best visual display of that.

That being the case, I don't think the Big Dog's legacy will matter much at all. But if it did, 'prosperity and human rights' would be the best sell, despite some glitches in the actual record (Nafta, Gatt, don't ask don't tell).


by KevinHayden on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 03:44:00 AM EST


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