Obama hype is a win-win for Democrats

The next Clinton?  The next JFK?  Lincoln?  Alexander the Great?  We're hearing a lot of wonderful things about Barack Obama lately.  Whether any of this hype turns out to be true remains to be seen, but because the hype is coming so early in election season, we have plenty of time to figure the guy out.  I see two possibilities:

1) It's just hype.  He's an inexperienced freshman Senator who looks good in a suit, but he doesn't have what it takes to survive a grueling campaign season, much less run the country.  If that turns out to be the case, then we have plenty of time to find a stronger, more experienced candidate.  Good for the Democrats.

2) He's the real deal.  If he can keep the hype going for a full year, survive the media scrutiny, the inevitable backlash against the hype, challengers of every stripe, take on Mrs. Clinton, and still be our golden boy come convention time, then I have every confidence that he's our strongest candidate and can beat whoever the Republicans serve up.  Good for the Democrats.

If this hype had sprung up just before Iowa and NH, I could see us being suckered in and then finding out we backed the wrong horse (not that that's ever happened before, #cough# Kerry! #cough#).  But we have a full year to figure out whether Obama's got what it takes.



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Re: Obama hype is a win-win for Democrats (none / 0)

All good points. Personally I think Obama holds up. The "hype" on Obama is now two years old after his wake up call speech at the Democratic Convention in 2004.

A solid primary run should give opponents (Democrats and Republicans) a chance to turn up some kind of show stopper background info. after that it's on to the White House.

McCain's painting himself into an "angry old man with a gun" corner on Iraq and Iran.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:39:36 AM EST

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Agree.

And is some of it about race?  Yes.  I really think Americans are sick of 16 years of fighting (Clinton, then Bush).  They want someone they can stand behind, unified.

And Obama's race is symbolic for a lot of other healing.  

I agree- this is why we have primaries.  If Obama can survive the stage with Hillary, Edwards, Clark, Richardson, all of whom will have valid and interesting things to say (i.e. Richardson's credibility on foreign policy, Clark on the military)... if he pulls that one off... wow.


Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?
by jgkojak on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 11:19:22 AM EST

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Or, third option, the hype doesn't fade but someone like Hillary still beats him out, and Democrats are suddenly the gang who can't even nominate their rockstar.

That said, Republicans dealt with that to some degree in 2000 and seemed to do alright, so we'll see.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:27:47 PM EST

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"Republicans dealt with that to some degree in 2000"

Uh...nope...in 2000 Democrats nominated Gore who was the "standard bearer" not the "rock star" so no real comparison to 2000 if Obama runs.

If Obama runs, it totally reshuffles the deck.

Does America continue with the tired, failed policies of last century (McCain) or do we break out and start building a 21st century America (Obama).


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:41:50 PM EST
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I think you misunderstood (3.00 / 1)

What I think he meant was, McCain was the GOP's rock star in 2000, but they ran the establishment guy instead and still won.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:45:06 PM EST
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Re: I think you misunderstood (none / 0)

that's the one.


by Lucas O'Connor on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 07:43:11 PM EST
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Re: I think you misunderstood (none / 0)

Uh, Al Gore won in 2000 by 543,895 votes while being outspent 3 to 2. You give me $193,088,650.00 and I could get put any idiot in the White House - wait, oops, that's already been done. Sorry.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 09:10:46 AM EST
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Re: Obama hype is a win-win for Democrats (3.00 / 2)

Well, if history's any judge, he'll wind up running the DNC and getting us gains in the next midterm...


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:43:29 PM EST
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I'll take #1 (3.00 / 1)

Since Obama has shown nothing to merit any discussion of him as a serious presidential candidate (other than blow smoke up our liberal butts) I think it's a win for everyone to focus on him. That way, when Gore announces it will catch the beltway pundits by surprise (I would also add the Republicans, but I think they're smart enought to see that the Obama-rama has very little substance to it).

Besides the vote on screwing us over via reduced class action lawsuit rights, Obama also voted for the following horrendous bills (from here: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congr ess/members/o000167/key-votes/):

Vote 213: H R 6: Offered tax breaks and incentives in what supporters said was an effort to spur oil and gas companies to provide innovative wasy to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, conserve resources and reduce pollution.

3/2/06     Vote 29: H R 3199: Reauthorized a slightly modified version of the 2001 USA Patriot Act.

He also voted to build that damned fence along the Mexican border.

This is your shining knight?


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by Alex Urevick on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:10:55 PM EST

Re: Obama hype is a win-win for Democrats (3.00 / 2)

I agree with your general point. Looking back at 2004 there is this unsatisfactory sense to the sequence of events: the Dean campaign imploded largely due to lack of understanding of the territory, Clark was horribly underprepared, Edwards was young, new and while he grew over the course of the primaries he wasn't ready. So Kerry got the nomination because he was the only competent contender and then it turned out that despite being a really honourable guy, he wasn't a great campaigner.

This time around, whoever gets the nomination out of Obama, Edwards and Clinton (or Gore if he runs) will have had to do more than simply show up. And for Clark, Richardson, Bayh or one of the others to get the nomination they will have had to have run one of the most amazing campaigns ever.

If the race is going to be over by early March 2008, then you want to see candidates tested during 2007. Clinton, Edwards and now Obama seem to be running and I think we will learn a lot about them this year.

Though I would say that Clark, Richardson and Bayh have already failed my competency test (which is to take the race seriously and do enough preparation to give yourself a chance) and Gore is getting dangerously close too.


by kundalini on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:37:22 PM EST

It won't be Gore or any Liberal... (none / 0)

I'm sorry to say it but read it and weep:  It won't be Gore or any other traditional liberal.  It might even be someone we haven't thought of yet.  But one thing is for sure, it'll be someone with REAL experience, so that eliminates Edwards and Obama.

The election-based euphoria and daydreams on here are embarrassing.  Bush REALLY sucks and STILL we could only just BARELY eek out enough wins to take the house and senate.  There has been no major realignment:  America is still a conservative country (notice everyone including Pelosi proclaiming that there will be no "liberal" programs proposed).

And, let's face it, on Iraq we were bamboozled by our own people.  The dems have no solution to Iraq and Bush's "stay the course" is what we will continue to have.


by The Last Liberal on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:43:12 PM EST

Actually Obama is a liberal. (none / 0)

"But one thing is for sure, it'll be someone with REAL experience, so that eliminates Edwards and Obama."

Like...oh Bush Jr with one term as Texas Governor?

History is against your theory if you are basing it on some kind of seniority system.  US works on "new man" basis, not the "old Europe" senior man system.

JFK had less "experience" than Nixon...and won.

Obama will have less "experience" than McCain...and win.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 06:15:46 PM EST
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What the hell is liberal. about him? (none / 0)

OK, he is (purportedly) anti-war. But then why did he endorse Lieberman over Lamont? What else?


by Libron on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:55:14 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is liberal. about him? (3.00 / 1)

Habeas Corpus, Supreme Court, Iraq, Oil/Energy, Health Care, Deficit/Debt, Education.

You know...the big issues our time.

PS Lamont is not one of the big issues of our time.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:05:10 PM EST
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What exactly would you consider major realignment? (none / 0)

No party has ever had an election year in which they didn't lose a single seat.  Yes, the Democrats have slim majorities in both houses, but that was after being in a huge hole in both, and running in a system where gerrymandering makes only a handful of seats competitive.  I can't imagine how the Democrats could have possibly had a better election than they did - I mean, what the hell did you expect them to do?

And Pelosi downplaying "liberal programs" is BS.  "Liberal" has become such a scare word she's distancing herself from it, while making her first order of business raising the minimum wage.

And Bush has made such a mess of Iraq that God himself couldn't provide an easy solution to it.  But the Democrats have had more ideas (phased troop withdrawl, partition, turning everything over to NATO) than the Republicans endless chorus of "stay the course."

The only part of your post I agree with is that it might be someone we haven't thought of yet.  Clinton came out of nowhere.  Then again, this is a much stronger, more crowded field.  If someone can come out of nowhere and push aside Clinton, Edwards, Kerry, Obama, possiblly Gore, and a few well-known governors, they'd be the greatest politician in decades, and would well deserve the nomination.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 01:58:27 PM EST
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"Strongest" is not "Best" (none / 0)

Being a GQ model and charming does not make a good president. He is 1/2 of the reason we have Lieberman with Bill Clinton the other half. Note the common denominator of the Dem elites? This guy is a old line professional pol. An empty (expensive) suit and no substance.


by Libron on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:50:59 PM EST

Re: "Strongest" is not "Best" (none / 0)

he's half the reason we have lieberman? dude come on. you can make the argument that they were symbolic of the democratic party as a whole of not coming to Lamont's aid but the candidates themselves are the ones who win, or lose, a campaign. Not the surrogates.
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by Adam Conner on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:39:17 PM EST
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If Barack was really worth 5 points in a CT senate race, then maybe the hype is underselling Obama?


by LPMandrake on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 09:23:04 AM EST
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by Libron on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:51:17 PM EST

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by Libron on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 08:55:56 PM EST

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It's just hype.

So is all the cheerleading for Hillary.

The people who are actually qualified for the presidency and would make good ones is very short.

Bush's presidency has shown us that we can't just pick someone with a message and an image who promises to put together a "good team."

The short list, in my opinion:
Al Gore
George Mitchell
Nancy Pelosi

I picked Nancy because she's probably going to be the next president, and she has a ton of experience in government.


by taraka das on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 03:40:34 PM EST

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Umm... don't you have to run in order to be the next President?  Or are you expecting Bush and Cheney to be killed in a freak accident?

> Bush's presidency has shown us that we can't just pick someone with a message and an image who promises to put together a "good team."

Au contraire.  The fact that Bush made it into office at all showed us that we can't depend on someone who's incredibly qualified, experienced and smart to win if they can't sell themselves.  And does anyone seriously believe that Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, would surround themselves with a rogues' gallery of incompetents and crooks like Bush did?  Come on!

I'd rather have an "empty suit" who can run a winning campaign, that leads to four years of signing Reid and Pelosi's bills, putting liberal judges on the Supreme Court, and putting competent, principled, experienced people in positions of power throughout the federal government, than have another experienced, qualified candidate who tanks the general election and keeps the GOP in power for another four years.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 02:05:24 PM EST
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Wheels are in motion. Pelosi will be the next president.
Wait six weeks, and then tell me whatever objections you have to this idea.
As for your question about Obama: I think we could just as easily have incompetent rogues who are liberals. I don't think Obama is a rogue, and I haven't seen him do anything that suggests he is incompetent, but at this time, he IS an empty suit, and if you are suggesting that we should go with another one of those just because he tells us what we think we want to hear, my answer is NO THANK YOU.
I don't share the confidence in marketing that so many establishment Democrats and Republicans seem to have. Call me one of the skeptical, marketing-strategy-averse, members of GENERATION X.
by taraka das on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:14:18 AM EST
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Well, I'll believe that Pelosi stuff when I hear it.  She's been Speaker of the House for, well, negative one month - I'd imagine she'd actually like to start that job before she sets her sights on the next one.  I don't have any objections whatsoever to her running; I just think it seems unlikely.  Why run for Speaker if she's not planning on staying in the job?

And my point about Obama wasn't that he is/isn't competent, or rougish.  It's that he's not going to appoint people like Cheney or Rummy.  I can't think of a notable Democrat who would, unless you still count Lieberman as a Democrat.  And no President or candidate operates in a vaccuum.  Whoever wins, Dr. Dean is going to have influence; Pelosi and Reid will have tremendous influence - which is my whole point.  And if our candidate is relatively inexperienced, I think odds are the aformentoined will have even more influence.  Whereas if we run someone who doesn't know how to campaign, and loses, then Karl Rove is the one with the influence.  And I think we should do whatever it takes to avoid that scenario.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 11:56:27 AM EST
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