Final Thoughts on Obama and NH

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Just back from New Hampshire and just wanted to share a few thoughts with you before I crash.

First, the energy in the room today was absolutely incredible. I've really never seen anything like it, particularly when you consider that the New Hampshire primary is at least a full 388 days from now (the final date hasn't been set yet). Which is what I told the Manchester Union-Leader.

Second, it was a really eye-opening experience to be a member of the "credentialed" media. And being backstage with the press was really fascinating to watch. For instance, almost the entire media corps sat at their laptops writing stories while Obama gave his main speech, only occasionally looking up at the TV monitors in front of them. It's not what most of us would consider "watching a speech." The 20-ft difference between 1,500 screaming fans and the media was like being in an entirely different world. It reminded me of the difference between watching things during the 2004 convention from the floor and from backstage, those 20 feet changed the whole experience.

Mike from BlueHampshire and MissLaura from DailyKos

Luckily other members of the netroots were represented with MissLaura from DailyKos and Mike from BlueHampshire. Having been credentialed with DailyKos MissLaura was forced to explain several times that she was NOT Markos. There is a surprising lack of local blogs in NH and Mike and the rest of the BlueHampshire team are doing their best to fill that void, which should be a great source of information for the 2008 race.

Though my picture of it came out too blurry to use, the big-dogs really do sit up front, and at one point it was Maureen Dowd from the NYT, Adam Nagourney from the NYT, The Manchester Union-Leader, Jake Trapper from ABC, and John King from CNN all sitting next to each other in the front-row. From this picture it also appears that Carl Cameron from Fox News was giving me the Evil Eye during one of his live stand-ups.

carl cameron gives me the evil eye

As Obama spoke, the audience, 1,500 strong, watched in silence. Not quiet because they were uninterested, but the silence of an audience that is intent and engaged, as if enraptured. Obama spends more time on American history and context than any other political speaker that I have ever seen. More than any other politician that I have ever seen or studied, Obama's strength is turning a speech that is supposed to be about him into a speech about us. And about what it all means to us. And this is where he finds power with the audience. I also think one of the reasons that Obama finds himself so popular is that as much as people project what they want to see want onto, they simultaneously find a part of themselves to see in him.

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Another word on today's sizable audience of 1,500. If you're an active Democrat in New Hampshire, you're pretty much constantly inundated with opportunities to see Presidential candidates speak. And to pay $25 dollars to see someone...forget about it. So for an event to gather this much attention, it seemed consensus among folks from NH that I spoke to that this wasn't just flavor of the month kind of attention. There's definitely something there. And holy shit, I've never seen a political candidate be mobbed in a crowd like Obama was. Rock Star might be the most accurate description because I can't think of anything I've ever seen that even comes close to comparing.

I will say that I think the massive acceleration of the presidential primary process has had the effect of upping the expectations of some activists and media folks, perhaps causing them to expect more of a full campaign platform at this point and eliciting frustration when they see something less developed. But it's still really early in the cycle, particularly for non-candidate candidates.

Finally, and I'm probably reading too much into this, but as Sen. Obama finished his speech and exited the stage into the crowd the song "Better Days" by the Goo Goo Dolls came on. "Better Days" had became a sort of unofficial anthem for the city of New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Campaign theme songs have sort of an unofficial resonance (John Kerry had Bruce Springsteen's "No Retreat, No Surrender," Bush in 2000 briefly had Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down") and I think that Sen. Obama's theme of hope and the symbolism of that song complimented each other nicely.

Special Thanks to the RunObama.com, DraftObama.org, and Students For Barack Obama for making today's trip such a success.



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Great song, and great blogging Adam, Obama is riding the a wave of publicity that is not seen to often in politics, and he seems to have it all going for him right now.

Tonight, I've been reading back through the archves of Dean Nation, as I write a chapter for an upcoming book on Dean, and am trying to capture some of the excitement that was ongoing, especially from that blog in the last couple months of 2002, and the first few months of 2003.

Obama's presence on the internet, gaining 23K friends on facebook, 13k signing the RunObama/DraftObama petition-- that's a sign of real netroots support not seen since the days of Dean and the early strength he had with Meetup numbers, and then later with Clark. It's a thing of beauty to see happen again.


by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:24:33 AM EST

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Great to meet you today, Adam, and thanks for all of the great teamwork between RunObama and DraftObama. I'm sure it'll continue, and I look forward to working with you guys again soon!


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by acaben on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:43:36 AM EST

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ben you're an f-ing rockstar man. keep up the good work.
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by Adam Conner on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 10:30:19 AM EST
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Fix your Sig acaben... Obaman???  ;-)


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:44:30 AM EST
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Obama is genuine is the feeling... (none / 0)

"...one of the reasons that Obama finds himself so popular...people project what they want to see ..."

But didn't you feel that you heard Obama speaking, not someone giving a speech crafted to make people hear what they wanted to hear, as is the case with most political speeches and most politicians?

I think that's Obama's real appeal.  The genuiness, that you are actually hearing the person speak and that he believes what he says.


by BrionLutz on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:28:54 AM EST

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The thing they always said about Bill Clinton was that he made everyone in the room feel like he was just talking to them.  Every politician wants to have that kind of impact.  But to find one that actually can?  I had been hesitant to support Obama because of his lack of experience, but I'm starting to think it doesn't matter.  If he can connect with people, lay out a vision for making America a better place, and make a clean break from the do-nothing please-everyone Democrats of the past, the rest will take care of itself.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:57:57 PM EST
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Obama has the Clinton empathy... While he doesn't shed tears the way Bill does, you talk with him and you feel like this man knows you, cares about you and will help you in anyway you can.  


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 05:26:32 PM EST
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I saw Obama speak... (none / 0)

...stumping for Bob Menendez in Hoboken, NJ.  I actually had no idea I was going to see him - Menendez was holding an outdoor rally that I happened to walk by on the way home from work.  It took me a few minutes to realize I was hearing Obama, since I could hear him before I could see him.  My first thought was, "this is it?  This the guy everyone's crazy about?"

He didn't have much in the way of rhetorical flourish.  He didn't shout.  He didn't talk in sound bytes or slogans.  He just spoke conversationally, about American history, about the Democrats' place in it, about the way Americans have always struggled to make the country a better place and and have always succeeded in the long run.  By the end of it, I was thinking, "damn, no wonder everyone's crazy about this guy."

He doesn't have Clinton's smoothness.  He doesn't need it.  There was no sizzle there - it's all steak.  For years, our culture has been serving up an idealized US President - one who speaks his mind, stands up for what he believes in, is in touch with the common man, has moral authority and a vision of how to lead the country.  We watch Jed Bartlett and David Palmer and any number of movie commanders-in-cheif and think, "why can't he be the real President?"  Obama's closer to that mold - the idealized, movie President - than any real-life politican I've seen.  Which is why we're projecting so much hope onto him.

As I've posted in another diary, it's early to tell whether our hopes for Obama are well-founded.  But it's good that it's early.  If he's the real deal - if he can still capture people's imagination by the time Iowa and NH come along, and if he can defeat Clinton and whoever else is out there - then I think we've found our next President.  And if he isn't, well, it's still early.  There's plenty of time to find someone who is.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:45:18 AM EST
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Kick Ass Job Adam!


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:35:32 AM EST

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If Gore does indeed decide NOT to run, I am starting to STRONGLY feel an Obama/Richardson ticket will be an incredible Juggernaut... The more experienced Richardson will help Obama in the West (thus taking the South out of the equation), will give him someone who is strong on Energy policy and Foreign Policy and experience... Like a nicer, competent and intelligent version of Cheney or like Johnson was to Kennedy.  Combine those assets, with Obama's personality, charisma, empathy, and the ability to connect with people, and his ideas and we have a potential juggernaut.  Plus we set up Richardson for a run in 2016.  


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:52:44 AM EST

Obama/Richardson or Obama/Webb (none / 0)

I'm more for an Obama/Webb ticket.

VA has 13 electoral votes vs. 5 for New Mexico.

VA would be a conversion of a red state to a blue and the difference in the electoral map.

Plus Webb matches up better against a McCain/Guiliani ticket.

He gives the Democrats the decorated combat vet, Sec. of Navy heft to counter McCain.


by BrionLutz on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 12:55:05 PM EST
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Webb as VP has its appeal but Richardson as VP would reinforce the diversity impact of an Obama candidacy.
by Sam I Am on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:41:30 PM EST
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By that rationale why not Clark?  Even if Webb is asked, I don't see him running, plus I'm not convinced Webb can bring us VA, even with the ever BLUENING (YEP MADE UP WORD) of NOVA... look at NC and Edwards in 2004.  

Better to keep a potentially strong Senator in office than pull him for VP in a state we might win in but might not.  I think Richardson gives us NM, plus puts some others in play such as Nevada, AZ (provided McCain isn't the nom), and some of the other western states.

Plus I prefer the contrast of a Senator / Governor or General or something else vs a senator - senator combo.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:42:40 PM EST
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Obama/Richardson or Obama/Clark (none / 0)

Richardson's popular throughout the region, and the Southwest as a whole is on the verge of tipping blue.  NM, Arizona, Colorado - they were all very close in the last two elections.  Putting a popular figure from the region on the ticket could be the deciding factor.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:00:17 PM EST
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Sorry, hit "post" before I could get to the Clark part.  I don't like Clark as a candidate, since he's never won an election or held elected office.  But I love him as a VP - he brings everything Cheney was supposed to bring to the GOP ticket and didn't - gravitas, experience, respect, and most of all, he knows how to win a war and understands the grave responsibility of sending our soldiers into combat.  If he isn't on the ticket, whoever is would win a lot of points by announcing in advance that Clark is their choice for either Secretary of State or Defense.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:02:30 PM EST
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Yeah, that is my thought... Especially if the first few Primaries are HRC first, Obama a close second and Clark a distant 3rd.  He might team with Obama eith as VP or as Sec of State or Def and throw his support there, to launch Obama over HRC.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 05:53:33 PM EST
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That would be an amazing ticket, but is America ready for a ticket without at least one white guy on it?


by blueryan on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:36:45 PM EST
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Well...

Obama's mother and Richardson's father were Anglo so if you do the math....


by Sam I Am on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:33:09 PM EST
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THAT my friend is the million dollar question.  I would like to say yes... That the states who wouldn't support it are pretty much SOLID red... I would liek to the think the Blue states AND the purple ones will be open to it... and I would hope some of the Red ones are.  

I'm not sure, but I don't think New Mexico has a majority Latino pop (but I may be wrong).  

And during the Senate Primary, Obama's support wasn't just from the Black neighborhoods in the City, He led most of the lily white suburbs as well.  His appeal cuts across a lot of lines.  


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 05:57:24 PM EST
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If Richardson is so great, why couldn't the Dems carry NM in '04?


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 07:35:01 PM EST
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Same reason they didn't win in Virginia despite an immensly popular dem governor... John Kerry was a poor candidate and made a critical stupid mistake in not fighting back against the BS swifty charges, which led enough Independents in enough states to conclude he wouldn't be a good leader and thus went with the Devil they knew even if he sucked.  


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:48:54 PM EST
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Because Kerry was on the ticket, not Richardson and Kerry didn't relate to any mountain west state in the least.


by blueryan on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:05:55 AM EST
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Great blogging, Adam.

Here's the thing about the crowd. The hype has been building for years now about Obama. NH people, I understand, are unusually plugged in the presidential politics scene and pundit buzz and celebrity has an unusually powerful effect on them.

It's just important to understand that if Hillary Clinton were to show up in NH next week, she'd pull a crowd of similar or even greater size.  

Obama's enjoying a special moment in the sun, right now, but the contest won't be won at large gala speeches...but instead in living rooms and town halls.


by blueflorida on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:26:42 PM EST

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Hillary wouldn't have drawn half that crowd in NH if the tickets were $25.


by blueryan on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:38:57 PM EST
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Ok, whatever. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not in any way a Hillary backer but you need to come to grips with the fact that while Hillary is certainly controversial and not beloved as a presidential choice, she is very popular in general with the voting base of the Democratic party. She is one of three true political celebrities in the Party - Bill, Hillary, and Barack.


by blueflorida on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:41:38 PM EST
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I agree with you.  The question though is not whether she would sell out (she would) but rather she'd generate the same level of excitement among people... I know a lot of non political people who don't follow elections until around OCtober who would pay money to see Obama.  


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 05:59:20 PM EST
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Thanks Blue Florida,Glad you enjoyed the blogging.

It's just important to understand that if Hillary Clinton were to show up in NH next week, she'd pull a crowd of similar or even greater size.

I actually disagree with that but I think it will be interesting to see what kind of support turns out for Hillary. Its been a long time since she had an appearance like that that wasn't crouched in the pretext of her senate campaign, etc. and would be a good measure of what her support will look like.

Also, by Obama showing up before Hillary, it puts the bar pretty high for eveyone else who follows.


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by Adam Conner on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:44:02 PM EST
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Re: Final Thoughts on Obama and NH (3.00 / 3)

Here's a final thought on the Obama wave and why it exists...and no...Hillary Clinton would not get a similar reception...she's Adlai Stevenson to Obama's JFK.

When politicians get on the sports page...look out.

This from Peter King's NFL column at Sports Illustrated.com

Think of that. The real American dream. John F. Kennedy, Barack Obama, Pat Tillman.


by BrionLutz on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:34:20 PM EST

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and no...Hillary Clinton would not get a similar reception...she's Adlai Stevenson to Obama's JFK.

Fine, we have no way of proving how big a crowd she would get until she actually shows up in NH, but considering that she regularly draws crowds of over 1,000 for even mundane campaign appearances, a trip to NH (where she hasn't been in over 10 years) is likely to be quite large. Combined with the fact that polls show that Hillary not only still beats Obama by at least 10% everywhere outside of, say, Illinois, but is also simply known by more people than Obama, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that there are more people who consciously support Hillary than Obama in NH, right now, and therefore a Hillary event at least starts with a larger crowd base than Obama's.


by blueflorida on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:03:54 PM EST
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"Fine, we have no way of proving how big a crowd..."

Actually we do...Hillary has been in NH a lot and you didn't see the excitment or the crowds.

Hillary, like Stevenson, has our respect but not our enthusiasm.  Most who respect her, dread her running for president.  She's like Gore, a great technocrat, right on the issues but not an inspiritional leader.

She's a placeholder...right on the issues but not someone who generates enthusiasm.


by BrionLutz on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:54:25 PM EST
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You must be kidding (none / 0)

when you say "like Gore, a great technocrat, right on the issues but not an inspiritional leader."

Gore is the overwhelming favorite of the Grassroot and Netroots, as seen in the recent Daily Kos straw poll:


Who is your favorite potential 2008 candidate from the list below?

Tom Vilsack       78 votes - 0 %
Bill Richardson       227 votes - 1 %
Barack Obama       1844 votes - 12 %
John Kerry       124 votes - 0 %
Mike Gravel       32 votes - 0 %

Al Gore       8169 votes - 57 %

John Edwards       1533 votes - 10 %
Christopher Dodd       23 votes - 0 %
Hillary Clinton       292 votes - 2 %
Wesley Clark       1734 votes - 12 %
Joe Biden       72 votes - 0 %
Evan Bayh       142 votes - 0 %
 14270 Total Votes
Poll submitted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:59:41 AM PST

That doesn't happen if people are not inspired by what Al Gore represents. Al Gore has been a visionay politician most of his career, with far reaching accomplishments which include (among others:


   1.  lead the development of the internet and paved way to the Information Age
   2. was an integral part of one of the most successful administrations in recent history
   3. led the touted 'Reinventing the Government' initiative
   4. worked a lifetime to build political will towards reversing global warming

When the going got rough with the Bush/Cheney regime, Gore has also become a leading voice against the many excesses of the regime, including the Iraq war:

A Collection of Speeches by Al Gore

H/T to Dwight Meredith.


In other words, Al Gore has both delivered impressively as an elected official as well as stood up for the country with courage when needed. If that's not inspirational, we will need to redefine the word.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:00:25 PM EST
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> polls show that Hillary not only still beats Obama by at least 10% everywhere outside of, say, Illinois, but is also simply known by more people than Obama

Think maybe these two things are connected?  She's polling high because of name recognition.  Four years ago this month Joe Lieberman was the Democratic frontrunner, and John Kerry was polling in the single digits.  Everyone in America knows who Hillary Clinton is and has made up their mind about her.  She's hit her ceiling.  Obama's just starting to get his name out there.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:05:27 PM EST
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That's a good point about Hillary.  What's yet to be seen is where Obama's numbers go when he puts together something concrete.  His popularity doesn't seem to accrue from any particular stand on any issue--his public statments seem to be the usual collection of cliches, which is a good stategy for the time being.


by justinh on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:10:40 PM EST
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Hillary is a known quantity.  She's been in the national conscience for a long time.  Obama has been on the national stage for two years.  Even those two years he hasn't truly been national.  How is Hillary going to increase her support?  Face it, while she might be popular, she doesn't excite people.  Feingold excited people.  People were passionate about Russ.  You saw how people wanted him to run, and were disappointed when he said no to '08.  How many people that read MyDD or DailyKos would volunteer for Hillary in the primaries?  No where near the numbers that would have for Feingold, or will for Obama.


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 07:41:53 PM EST
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Forgive me... the worst pun of the day... but to steal the Rock's catchphrase...

"CAN YOU SMELL... WHAT BARACK... IS COOKING?"

Ok you can all groan :-)


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:53:53 PM EST

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No.  What is it?


by justinh on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:48:48 PM EST
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Excitement... Above all excitement... A LOT of people who are not normally excited about politics are getting excited about the man.  He is the closest thing to JFK that we have seen.  He makes many want to get involved in the process, pay attention to whats going on and help repair this country from 12 BITTER HARD years of Republican Partisanship politics that we have been witness too since 1994.  

Obama will set a time table on Iraq... something a lot of Dems will do, but that I am not 100% HRC would do and I know McCain won't.

Obama will fight for basic healthcare coverage for all people...  Once that is established, I like to think he will work toward Universal healthcare (baby steps).

Those are the two biggest things I see Obama doing to start his Presidency. Of course there will be other things, especially in helping out the Blue collar and middle classes, but these are the two biggies to see Obama work on in his first year in office.  


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 06:06:52 PM EST
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That's pretty much the generic Democratic platform, so the excitement doesn't seem to come from the issues.  Of course, most people support candidates for reasons other than their policies.


by justinh on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:07:32 PM EST
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If that's the case then as I said, his empathy, his charisma, his personality... just who he is.  You may not like him, but MANY MANY like him a lot.


by yitbos96bb on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:43:00 PM EST
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Which is my concern.  It's never healthy for the country when voters are enamored rather than thoughtful.  (We wonder why so many voted for Bush twice--same reason.)  


by justinh on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:53:34 PM EST
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Why They are Enamored (none / 0)

Justin does the Right Wing's work for them.  Democrats will try to destroy Obama.  Why?  

I won't even go near it.

From personal experience.  People respond to Obama because he can talk about issues that people care about.  Not some gay marriage crap or the impeachment.

People want things to change in this Country, and that what Obama offers.  Take your 20 years of experience and shove it.  We have seen it, and it sucks.  And what do the great liberal class offer, Dennis Kucinich.  Wonderful guy, right on about Iraq.  But he got one percent of the vote in the last election.  Does anyone on the internet even comprehend when they read.

Like I said, I worked for Obama.  First candidate I worked for since Jimmy Carter.  I was nervous. But people answered the door they were ready to blow me off.  When I said I was trying to get Obama on the ballot, they practically knocked me over trying to sign.

So could everyone please just give the guy a chance.  I would love Gore to run as well.  But why are liberals so afraid of Obama.  Please answer that question.  Bet you really have no idea.


by rapallos on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:34:11 AM EST

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"But why are liberals so afraid of Obama."

We aren't...I think Obama's big push is from liberals.

A good portion of the blogosphere also...we saw some of the punditocracy take a swipe at him for not kissing their keyboard but that will pass.

Obama is the natural, hope he runs. He'll win if he does. Right person at the right time.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:16:20 AM EST
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Re: Why They are Enamored (none / 0)

Huh?  How does any of that relate to what I've said?


by justinh on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:38:05 PM EST
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It's a marathon, not a sprint. (none / 0)

I'll be shocked if he doesn't run, but it's a long road.


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by MeanBoneII on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:16:03 AM EST

It's a sprint, not a marathon (none / 0)

18 months is not very long.

Obama can tell his wife. "Honey...18 months and then we can settle down in new house for 8 years, good schools for the kids, the works".

Plus all other candidates have been running for four years or more...The Tired Bunch.

The freshness factor is big plus for Obama...people are tired of the same old, same old on both sides (thought of McCain vs. Hillary is a bit depressing) and Obama offers fresh approach not bogged down with "old world" roots.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:46:40 AM EST
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We'll see. (none / 0)

You can definitely peak too early (ask Dean), and the potholes are bigger for those who haven't run it before.


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by MeanBoneII on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 11:00:50 AM EST
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Obama is silly hype... (none / 0)

Everyone is afraid to say the truth.  Obama's popularity is one-dimensional:  it's all about race.  We would all like to see a black president to prove that America works, so we grasp at straws.  Obama is a lightweight and a politician's politician.  He struggles not to make his position clear on any issue unless it is a very popular position.

He is deeply and embarrassingly inexperienced.  I hope he is enjoying his free build up by the media because if his chances ever look good, they will tear him down and ruin him.

Obama, a word of advice:  DO SOMETHING!  Get reelected a few times.  Run for Governor.  Actually do something!

Obama is a perfect fit for Marion Barry's line about Jesse Jackson:  "He's never run anything but his mouth".


by The Last Liberal on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 10:54:52 AM EST

Obama is world class (none / 0)

Hey...you posted same message on other Obama thread...here's same reply.

His Africa trip was headline stuff around the world. Think JFK does Ireland for the new millenium.

There's a reason international media almost outweighed US media at Obama's NH rally...I mean Democratic Party rally in NH.

If NH visit was to see if there's real interest in an Obama candidacy...he's running...you don't get any more "interest" than he did.

Loved the NH Democratic gov's comment (link is from UK newspaper in case you were wondering if Obama had a reach).

"We originally scheduled the Rolling Stones," he said, "but we cancelled them when we realised Senator Obama would sell more tickets." He was rewarded with an outbreak of ecstatic whooping. But behind his joke there was a truth. Barack Obama had indeed sold the tickets - the ballroom of the Radisson hotel in Manchester was packed, its 1,500 tickets sold out.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 11:06:36 AM EST

Re: Final Thoughts on Obama and NH (none / 0)

I posted this in another diary, but it may be relevant here, too:

It's not merely about his race -- it's the whole package... namely, his bio... the son of an African immigrant and a white Kansas woman; his reportedly mixed up youth, including the separation of his parents; his eventual entrance to an Ivy League law school, where he became the first "African-American" (some would argue that his label is now quite accurate, considering his father is an African immigrant and his mother white; though, arguably, his "experience" in America resembled that of a multigenerational African-American male -- given that observers see an "African-American," and not the first generation son of an African immigrant). Obama's bio makes many feel good about America, and about what he -- as a brand -- says about those that support him. The Obama brand, to his supporters, says, Hey, aren't I great, I'm open minded, I embrace diversity and I'm part of this great narrative by supporting the continued ascendance of this "American Dream" candidate.

Anyhow, this is my take on the Obama bandwagon that we're witnessing right now. Frankly, I'm not taken over by the "hype," since I find most his statements pure platitudes and, for my tastes, I've felt that on some instances he's pandered to conservatives in his "exploratory" quest to obtain the presidency (for example, his vote in support of the 700 mile wall along the Mex/US border).

As for his great bio narrative. I don't find it as compelling as a lot of his early supporters. I guess I don't find Obama's bio narrative compelling, because -- in my experience -- it's not as exceptional it is to many. Let me illustrate, on paper, some my find my bio compelling (though, granted, not as full of achievements as Obama's, since I don't have an Ivy League education, nor do I have the title of Senator before my name), at any rate: I was born in a small Central American country, my dad was killed when I was 9 during my country's civil war; my mother then immigrated to the US where she spent the next 2 years, till she could go back to her country to bring her three kids with her to the US; at age 12 I entered US schools not speaking a word of English (my first English phrase was, Sorry, I speak no English -- which I would tell people on the street to explain why I couldn't answer fully when they asked me something); at age 17 I joined the Marine Corps, which my younger brother joined too; after leaving the service I completed a BA at UCLA, and I'm now -- I would say -- fully immersed. Yes, as I granted earlier, my bio does not raise to Obama's stature, in terms of accomplishments, but some find it interesting. As I mentioned earlier, in my experience, I've known many folks who have similar bio narratives (immigrants that have put themselves through school; immigrant mothers, my mother, that washed other people's restrooms just so that their kids could eat, etc) and that's why Obama' narrative is not enough for me to buy into the current hype surrounding him. Now, add to that what I consider his mere platitudes and his, granted, alleged pandering to conservatives, and, frankly, I see all the hype as mere distractions.

I was disappointed to read that Feingold dropped out, and now I'm pulling for Edwards.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 11:32:42 AM EST

Actually it's not that relevant to Obama (none / 0)

not sure why you thought your "bio" would be relevant, much less "compelling".

You kind of missed the point of Obama's bio...he wasn't trying for Orphan Annie Award (your category?).  He's more of a middle class meritocracy thing...brains, hard work, good heart...succeeds in America.

As for "hype"...we are two years into Obamarama so it's more momentum now than hype...hype was 2004 convention.

"It's not merely about his race."

It's not at all about race, you missed the point of Obama again.

Ironically, many of those who can't figure out the Obama "hype" are puzzled because it is the hype they are trying to "analyze".

Obama's appeal is brains and speaking clearly and being a real person. When he speaks you are listening to Obama not some speech written by consultants, full of cliches and catch phrases.

Obama can explain what US needs to do and why and people can understand what he is saying and can have faith that he is telling you what he thinks.


by BrionLutz on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:26:53 PM EST
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Re: Actually it's not that relevant to Obama (none / 0)

In spite of your refutations, many on the blosphere and in my daily conversations, point to Obama's bio as a source of inspiration and a central reason to lend their early support to his candidacy.  So excuse me as I dismiss your refutation to the contrary.  As for his speeches, while you don't find them "full of cliches and catch phrases," I do.  I find his speeches, the ones I've caught, full of platitudes -- though I grant, he's a very good public speaker.  But, frankly, I know that at this point we'll be speak across each other without and missing each others' points.  So let's set your enthusiasm for Obama, and my lack of it, aside; and, in stead, let me present something I wrote in another thread:


As I've already explained, his narrative alone doesn't do it for me, and I find many of his speeches to be filled with mere platitudes.  But let's set that aside, since those are subjective matters.  I presume that you know about Obama's vote for the 700 mile Mex/US wall, and that -- when confronted by his Latino constituents about it -- Obama explained his vote as part of a larger strategy (link: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story _324192245.html ).  Can you, as a supporter, please explain to me why I should dismiss this, and not see it as a sign of inauthenticity in the face of criticism on contentious issue; and, how if he cannot explain himself on this one issue, how can we trust him to be a strong advocate for our progressive values?


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:37:02 PM EST
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Re: Actually it's not that relevant to Obama (none / 0)

Reposted for clarification:

In spite of your refutations, many on the blosphere and in my daily conversations, point to Obama's bio as a source of inspiration and a central reason to lend their early support to his candidacy. So excuse me as I dismiss your refutation to the contrary. As for his speeches, while you don't find them "full of cliches and catch phrases," I do. I find his speeches, the ones I've caught, full of platitudes -- though I grant, he's a very good public speaker. But, frankly, I know that at this point we'll be speaking across each other and missing each others' points. So let's set your enthusiasm for Obama, and my lack of it, aside; and, in stead, let me present something I wrote in another thread:

As I've already explained, his narrative alone doesn't do it for me, and I find many of his speeches to be filled with mere platitudes. But let's set that aside, since those are subjective matters. I presume that you know about Obama's vote for the 700 mile Mex/US wall, and that -- when confronted by his Latino constituents about it -- Obama explained his vote as part of a larger strategy (link: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story _324192245.html ). Can you, as a supporter, please explain to me why I should dismiss this, and not see it as a sign of inauthenticity in the face of criticism on contentious issue; and, how if he cannot explain himself on this one issue, how can we trust him to be a strong advocate for our progressive values?


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:41:25 PM EST
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Re: Actually it's not that relevant to Obama (none / 0)

Here's another example of why I'm skeptical about the Obama hype, which I find in league with Obama's vote for the US/Mex wall:

Obama got a "C" on the Drum Major Institute's Middle-Class Scorecard in large part because of his support for the ironically labeled Class Action Fairness Act of 2005.

And from the same MyDD.com diary:

As Obama-mania sweeps across the land and has Democrats everywhere buzzing, I find myself a bit wary of it all. Not that I'm a single-issue voter, but when it comes to civil justice issues, Illinois senator Barack Obama is a bust. His willingness to buy the corporate line about class action "reform" last year prevents me from joining the hallelujah chorus.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 12:53:13 PM EST
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Re: Actually it's not that relevant to Obama (none / 0)

What has he said that isn't a cliche or catch phrase?

What do you mean that he's a "real" person?  And which poltiican doesn't "speak clearly"?


by justinh on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:41:38 PM EST
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