No Leadership around New Orleans

Bush's treatment of post-Katrina New Orleans is outrageous, and it's curious why the city doesn't get more help, aid, and attention.  My gut on how politics works these days is that every issue requires a fight to push against the status quo, and every fight requires a set of leaders willing to work together to beat back the forces of inertia and wingnuttery.  It's almost always a tough and uphill battle, as the default right now in America is corruption, unaccountability, and error.

Apparently it was Sheriff Harry Lee (seen above in the Youtube snippet) who allowed William Jefferson's reelection.  

The final margin for Jefferson in Jefferson Parish was 71% to 39% - a margin that can be attributed to Sheriff Lee's furious political assault in the closing days of the campaign. Lee not only endorsed to Jefferson, but in the final days, urged Jefferson Parish residents to stay home and not vote. The final tally shows that while 28% of registered voters cast ballots in the primary, only 15% voted Saturday.

Lee was the Jefferson Parish leader who wouldn't allow fleeing residents to cross the bridge into his parish.  He exacted his revenge on Carter for drawing attention to him.  And then there were others.

Jefferson also had financial support from fellow members of the Congressional Black Caucus and the endorsements of many African-American ministers, including his own pastor, the influential Bishop Paul Morton of Greater St. Stephen Full Gospel Baptist Church. Also in his corner were the Greater New Orleans AFL-CIO and the local teachers union.

There is no way that Jefferson can effectively advocate for New Orleans.  The people in that city desperately needed leadership, but they voted out of spite, mistrust, and bitterness, all of which they have a deep reason to feel, and feelings no one has any right to begrudge them.  And yet at the same time, the political establishment in New Orleans, and the voters, have spoken quite clearly.  And what they said is that corruption is perfectly reasonable, and that they no longer expect or want help from the Federal government.  

It's very sad.  Residents must really have no hope.



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Jefferson re-election, the Marion Berry effect? (3.00 / 1)

Just a guess from afar but it looked like Jefferson played the race card effectively as a black guy getting prosecuted for getting caught doing what all the white guys were doing.

Marion Berry in DC was similar situation.


by BrionLutz on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:13:49 AM EST

White guys were CAUGHT, too, though (none / 0)


  Bob Ney. Duke Cunningham. Tom DeLay.

 LOTS of white guys got busted for corruption and deservedly had their careers destroyed. They didn't get away with it.

 The idea that Jefferson was "special" is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

 


by Master Jack on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:03:41 AM EST
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Re: White guys were CAUGHT, too, though (none / 0)

And if he is guilty of a crime (which I think he is) he will be punished for it, and this indigination here will become moot. As Stoller correctly says, the problem I see here with some commentators is a lack of ability to walk in another guys (the voters) shoes in this case.


by bruh21 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:33:09 PM EST
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My thought precisely (3.00 / 1)

All these poor bastards have got is what they think is the chance to stick it to Mr Charlie.

The impression they must have got is that the Federal government is happy to see NO lightened up a few shades, but not so much as to take the flak for making a policy decision to do so.

The result: malign neglect.

There comes a stage, though, when that kind of neglect starts to corrode the basic framework of the national government. That stage is now.

And the Dems's response? Underwhelming, so far as I've been able to gauge.

And the victory of Mr Cold Hard is hardly going to make the Dem leaderships more willing to expend political capital on the problem.

If the voters of LA-2 were dumb fucks to vote for Jefferson, how much dumber are the MCs of both parties (but especially the Dems, who are supposed to know better) for making such a victory possible?


by skeptic06 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:13:29 AM EST
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Defeat Lee (none / 0)

Find a qualified candidate to run against him with local,deep roots and raise funds.  He's got to come up in either the state or presidential election years '07 and '08.


by deepsouthdem on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:18:00 AM EST

Good luck with that (none / 0)

This isn't the first time Lee has had a central role in humiliating Louisiana; his constituents love this kind of thing and the more outrageous he is the more popular he gets.  And the post-K demographic shift is only going to entrench him further.


by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:28:12 AM EST
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Re: Defeat Lee (none / 0)

Qualified
Local Deep Roots
Presumably Clean

Do those pols even exist in LA?


by MNPundit on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:27:06 PM EST
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No hope is part of it (3.00 / 1)

After Katrina we got no visible help from outside.  A year later we're still getting no visible help from outside.  We've been stalled on getting aid, stalled on getting FEMA trailers (thousands of which are still sinking into the mud in Arkansas), stalled getting the flood elevations set, stalled on insurance.  The popular consensus is that the only real progress is locally driven.

Louisiana also has a long history of visibly corrupt but also effective leaders, from Huey Long to Edwin Edwards.  We also have a long history of using the vote to say "fuck you" to the rest of the country; after all over 30% of us voted for David Duke for governor.  So in the end it doesn't surprise me that District 2 was willing to overlook Jefferson's little freezer problem; the real problem, in an area that is living on the domestic security level of Maslow's Heirarchy, is the incident on the bridge.  When Karen Carter appeared in Spike Lee's film, those same voters who thought it was a hoot to pull the lever for Duke saw her as wanting to open the gates for the horde of torch-bearing N-----s to loot their neighborhood.  Mother Theresa couldn't have won against that.


by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:23:45 AM EST

Re: No hope is part of it (none / 0)

When Karen Carter appeared in Spike Lee's film, those same voters who thought it was a hoot to pull the lever for Duke saw her as wanting to open the gates for the horde of torch-bearing N-----s to loot their neighborhood.  Mother Theresa couldn't have won against that.

I was given to understand that Jefferson won the Africal-American vote overwhelmingly.  Cater won the white vote.  So it wasn't the Dukies fearing torch bearers reelecting Cold-Hard.

we got no visible help from outside.  A year later we're still getting no visible help from outside.

And yesterday you chose not to have a congressman.  Don't expect any help any time soon.


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by Brian Watkins on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:12:48 PM EST
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Re: No hope is part of it (none / 0)

I have no idea how Jefferson was able to manage that - running as the "real" black candidate while getting most of his visible public support from an unreconstructed racist asshole.


by libdevil on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:39:53 PM EST
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It's more complicated than that (none / 0)

Karen won the white vote that bothered to turn out. I believe this race was swung by the people who stayed home.

Both Carter and Jefferson belong to powerful, entrenched political machines. This is why Jefferson was able to even be a contender given his troubles. Had Carter been a completely neutral candidate I think a lot of suburban Jefferson would have turned out to send him packing on general principles. But these voters also think Harry Lee is a swell and effective guy and that it was a just and right, if hard, decision to turn away the crowd on the bridge (or, for a lot of them, not even that hard). For these people Karen's statement about the bridge was unforgivable, cutting as it did in a very paranoid time to what little sense of security they can retain.

Those voters stayed home. There are a lot of them in district 2, and my sense from conversations in the last couple of weeks is that that is the sentiment that put Jefferson over the top. But YMMV.

by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:02:37 PM EST
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The ministers... (none / 0)


   I can't believe that ministers, the moral leaders of the community, would endorse a politician utterly simmering in corruption and graft like William Jefferson. Theft and dishonesty are sins, after all. I would have thought that unlike the James Dobsons and Ted Haggards of the world, the African-American ministers in Louisiana were genuinely motivated by religious values, not political agendas.

  When sometimes progressives are criticized for "mocking religion", it's for incidents and attitudes like these. How can you take a religious leader seriously when he overtly endorses pondscum?


by Master Jack on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:46:48 AM EST

The same arrogance of power (none / 0)

that afflicts the Dobsons, Haggards, Falwells et. al. is sadly colorblind.  While most African-American ministers don't command flocks in the thousands like the mega-church dominionist types, they are still very much big fish in little ponds, and the same temptations and motivations that come with power hold just as true for them, but at a smaller scale.


by Ugluks Flea on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:29:25 AM EST
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Re: The ministers... (none / 0)

Well, it wasn't sekshul corruption.  That's really what matters.  Prosperity gospel and all that.


by jsw on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 06:09:10 PM EST
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They are an integral part of the political machine (none / 0)

Black churches in the South aren't just churches any more than white suburban megachurches are just churches.  In the years of Jim Crow churches were the only black communities that were reliably allowed to exist, and to this day they perform a lot of functions that are performed by other, more visibly disparate organizations in the white community -- including GOTV.


by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:01:19 AM EST

Then let's stop calling them churches. (none / 0)

 They're political organizations masquerading as churches. They have about as much relationship to religion as a football field has to croquet.

 The black ministers had two candidates to choose from -- two candidates who, politically, stood for the EXACT SAME THING (based on voting records), who belonged to the same political party, who were both African-American, but one was a thief and the other one wasn't.

 They endorsed the thief. All other things were equal, and they chose the thief.

 Those ministers have abdicated all claims to be moral spokesmen, at any level.
 


by Master Jack on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:11:47 AM EST
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Re: Then let's stop calling them churches. (none / 0)

Jefferson was running ads against carter's pro-gay, anti-life agenda towards the end.  All things were not necessarily equal.


by markc on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:24:54 AM EST
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Jefferson's voting record... (none / 0)


   ...was 100% "pro-gay" and "anti-life", as you call it. The two candidates were indistinguishable politically.  

  So you can add dishonesty and hypocrisy to Jefferson's other virtues. If the ministers couldn't see through that, they're completely worthless as religious spokesmen.

  Like I said, this is a data point in explaining why so many thinking people are so turned off by religion.


by Master Jack on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:28:40 AM EST
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Re: Jefferson's voting record... (none / 0)

Look, $ Bill brought bucks to these people - lots of it corrupt as hell of course, but they were voting their own interests the same way most other people do.


by lb0313 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:57:20 AM EST
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Re: Jefferson's voting record... (none / 0)

  I understand that. What I resent is that people who embrace corruption the way they do have the gall to pass themselves off as "moral spokesmen". They are not. Religious leaders are supposed to OVERCOME the bribery, the graft, the corruption and steer the community towards a better course. That's their JOB. If they don't do it, they have no credibility as moral leaders, and it's foolish to grant them that mantle. The fact that people can be on the take like that and still claim to be "moral leaders", and have others just nod and sign off on it as if it were perfectly acceptable, is part of the reason why organized religion's stock is so low among so many rational people. That's the point I'm making.

 They just had a chance to REJECT the corruption. They chose instead to embrace it. That's not moral leadership -- that's quite the opposite. I see no reason to pay any attention to what these ministers say from this point on. It's like those who opposed the Iraq war and still voted for Joe Lieberman -- who the hell cares what they have to say anymore?


by Master Jack on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:23:02 AM EST
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And just to clarify... (none / 0)


  ...I'm not saying this syndrome is unique to Louisiana, or to African-Americans. It's a nationwide disease. But this latest development is a good touchstone for this getting this idea out.
by Master Jack on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:27:10 AM EST
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Connecticut (none / 0)

I was going to bring this up and forgot.

Lamont's campaign appeared much more genuine than Karen Carter's; nobody around here thinks of her as a populist or upstart candidate or as the Great White Hope; at best she's the lesser of two very typical Louisiana evils. Nobody thinks that Jefferson is a stealth Democrat who consistently votes against his own constituents; like many visibly corrupt Louisiana politicos he has been fairly effective for his district.

So after the Connecticut election, where were all the people chastising the voters of Connecticut for their stupidity and hypocrisy for daring to vote that childish, petulant, arrogant person who regularly sabotages their stated interests back in? I remember a sense of disappointment (tempered by jubilation at how the rest of the election went) but I don't remember people bemoaning the lack of nutmegger sense. In fact I recall quite a few people lamenting that it was understandable if disappointing.

But the whole world seems to think NOLA is populated by ten year olds who shouldn't be permitted to live in a room without covers on the electrical outlets. Never mind that most of the people who think this have never been within a thousand miles of the place, they know what's best for us.

If you want to know one good way to make sure an electorate will vote against you -- and this goes for the entire south, and doubtless other places as well -- create the impression that The World Is Watching and that there are a bunch of outsiders getting ready to judge the result. That sort of thing doesn't help. It's for certain the reason David Duke was able to get 30% in the governor's race, and why a state district in guess which white suburban parish actually did send him to the state legislature.

Anyway, someone mentioned that it was a free vote (or abstention) since if Dollar Bill does get sent away there will be a special election and a do-over. And if $B pulls off a miracle and evades the charges he'll doubtless regain his privileges of seniority. And meanwhile we don't have to feel like the adults are telling us how we have to vote.

by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:19:34 PM EST
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Re: Connecticut (none / 0)

But Lieberman didn't have $90,000 marked bills in his freezer.  Damn, I wish he had.


by DrJohn on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:53:10 PM EST
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Re: Connecticut (none / 0)

DrJohn sums it up pretty nicely.  Joementum's a sociopathic scumbag, and he almost certainly violated election law with his $400k cash slush fun, but he hasn't been caught taking bribes.  Jefferson has.


by libdevil on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 05:59:47 PM EST
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Re: Connecticut (none / 0)

Some of us did bash CT voters.


by Pravin on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:06:54 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Note: Delay would have won if he had not been indicted.  


by markc on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:20:24 AM EST

Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Let's be honest.  Delay would have won his seat despite being indicted.  (Though republicans may have lost more seats elsewhere if he had run.)


by comotion on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:59:33 AM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Which is why I find all this indignation at the voters here who have been through far worse than most voters have in this country in the near past so over the top. Do I agree with the vote? No. Am I surprised that grabbed to anything they could that was familar with the hope that it would help them- who here is surprised by that? We can tallk all we want about being progressive, but when people are thinking about their basic lives, etc, and they aren't seeing the impact in real terms, how can we then get angry if they don't vote for us? is that even realistic?


by bruh21 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:38:04 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Good note, markc. We are a ship of fools down here but we don't have the monopoly on it.

I think the JP folks figured it was no risk - $ Bill will get indicted and they will get a do-over in the special election.

Of course, these are the same brain surgeons who turned down Truman's oil/gas lease offer and spent the next 50 years trying to get it back.


by lb0313 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:54:11 AM EST

The same? (none / 0)

I suspect most of the brain surgeons who turned Truman down are out of politics by now, and most likely out of life.  Not that the new crop of brain surgeons is much better...


by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 03:12:33 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

The final margin for Jefferson in Jefferson Parish was 71% to 39% - a margin that can be attributed to Sheriff Lee's furious political assault in the closing days of the campaign.

I would have so much more confidence in the accuracy of this article if those numbers didn't add to 110%.


by Califlander on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:37:26 AM EST

LOL (none / 0)

I didn't notice that -- but then this was a Louisiana election, so maybe...


by localroger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:44:27 AM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

New Orleans has always had a leadership deficit, even when white people controlled Orlans Parish. I'm white, and I've lived there two seperate times.

Part of the problem is racism and poverty, and part of it is an acceptance of corruption in order to survive and "get along." I'm not a Nagin supporter, but he stopped the process of procuring a business license where you had to always list a "silent partner' on your application, who then received either part of the "proft" or a "fee." This was standard practice for 50 years!

Where most cities would offer incentives for industry to locate there, New Orleans officials would demand a payoff before allowing them to come in. No Fortune 500 companies remain in Orleans Parish (maybe Shell still has something there.)

Read a description of the school system below, reaction to a book by Jonathan Kozol on segregated schools:

The Orleans Parish School system is an example. It has applied his theries for 30 years. The board is predominately black. With the exception of one Hispanic, all the superintendents have been black. Almost 100% of the teachers, administrators, and students are black. The test scores are the lowest in Louisiana. Armed guards at every school and sometimes in every classroom cannot stop the crimes, including murders and rape. At Fortier High School, the valedictorian failed the exit exam four times. The black power structure has looted more than $100 million from the system. These are the victims of Kozol's educational theories. You may have seen some of them at the Superdome and Convention Center after Hurricane Katrina. They were totally dependent on the government.


by rsb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:39:13 AM EST

Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

New Orleans has always had a leadership deficit, even when white people controlled Orlans Parish.

Um.  Dude.  Not cool.


by Matt Stoller on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:17:17 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

LOL. I knew somebody would misinterpret that.

Not "even" as in white vs. black, but "even" as in, decades ago, WHEN white people controlled... Has nothing to do with race, but rather refers to time and history. I should have said only:

"New Orleans has always had a leadership deficit."

Some folks in other blogs are calling N.O. voters morons, and the wingnuts are all but sayiing things like, "What do you expect" referring to racial makeup of New Orleans, making OJ comparisons, etc.


by rsb on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:46:20 PM EST
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He's their guy (none / 0)

I know I am talking out of my hat here, but it seems to me that the people of that district, at least the ones who care about who their congressperson is, identify Jefferson as their guy.  They are not endorsing corruption, as such, and they are not taking a stand on any particular issue.  The only issue is that they are going to fight to preserve what they view as their own.

Remember the voters of Youngstown, Ohio, who continued to support Jim Traficant long after it was clear that he was not only corrupt, but crazy?  Traficant was their guy and no "outsider" was going to take their guy away from them.

Jefferson's supporters, like Traficant's, know their guy is a wrong guy. They have to know it at some level of understanding.  But they are rationalizing that fact away.

Sounds implausible?  Seems ridiculous?  Consider the 25-30% of Americans who still think George W. Bush is a bold and courageous leader, a good, Christian man, the best president ever.  He's their guy.


by James Earl on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:46:23 PM EST

Re: He's their guy (none / 0)

At least voters always get a mulligan. After Traficant was stripped of his committee assignments, convicted in court, and expelled from the House, the people of the Youngstown area finally got their act together and elected a good young congressman in Tim Ryan. And it took three tries after Adam Clayton Powell Jr. was excluded by the House before the people of Harlem voted him out in favor of the great Charlie Rangel. New Orleans will get another crack at throwing him out in two years at the latest; hopefully, they'll follow the examples of Youngstown and Harlem and use their second chance wisely.


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by bschak on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:21:05 PM EST
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Re: He's their guy (none / 0)

But until then they are classed as political idiots... just like the voters of the other places you mentioned were until they wised up.


by MNPundit on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:32:43 PM EST
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Re: He's their guy (none / 0)

The best way to ensure they want is for people to keep calling them idiots which is the real basis for the us versus them mentality.


by bruh21 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:40:46 PM EST
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Re: He's their guy (none / 0)

Adam Clyton Powell, Jr. is an excellent analogy, thought of him immediately after Jefferson winning this. One of Powell's sons is a NY Assemblyman.


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by Predictor on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 05:22:46 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

First, Harry Lee was not the law enforcement officer who stopped people from New Orleans from crossing the GNO Bridge to the West Bank after Katrina. That was Arthur Lawson, who is the chief of police in the town of Gretna. Lee did, however, make an issue of Karen Carter's comments in Spike Lee's (no relation) movie about New Orleans in the wake of Katrina. He has a long history of racially provocative politics. He's also got long standing ties to former Governor Edwin Edwards, as does Jefferson. Don't discount the fact, though, that by helping Jefferson, Lee also helped the prospects of Democratic State Senator Derrick Shepherd (an African American) who ran a close third in the primary. Shepherd endorsed Jefferson in the run-off against Carter because he, too, figures Jefferson will be indicted and the seat will likely become open. Shepherd, like Harry Lee, is a resident of Jefferson Parish. Karen Carter was a well-funded, well-connected, establishment candidate with deep roots in the New Orleans social, civic and political communities. She was not a grassroots candidate. She did not run a "people first" campaign. Jefferson ran like the desperate man that he is. In some ways, his campaign was a typically successful Louisiana campaign run by an incumbent. My point here is that there was always much more to this campaign than was readily apparent from the national perspective, even with a reporter sent in a few weeks in advance to try to parse things for the net roots folks. Tip O'Neil was right. All politics is local, particularly in New Orleans. But, New Orleans' politics are no more and no less convoluted that politics in Chicago or New York or other established urban communities, where the internal dynamics can puzzle even locals. The fact that the rest of us are confused should come as no surprise -- nor should it matter.
"The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. -- Michelangelo
by Mike Stagg on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:33:26 PM EST

Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Interesting post. Your perspective provides an insight that I haven't seen anywhere in all this indigination against the voters of this district. What factor, if any, do you think Carter being labeled the "white" candidate played here?


by bruh21 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:44:08 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Well, I never thought it was as 'simple' as that. Karen Carter's father, Ken, is a big player in business and political circles. He was an Assessor at one time, ran unsuccessfully for mayor in the late 1980s, then moved on to business. Not being a current resident of New Orleans, I can only assume that Ken Carter has been instrumental in opening doors into the white-dominated business community in New Orleans for his daughter which helped get her elected to the state Legislature. I'm not saying she's not a good legislator or not a capable attorney, but having doors opened for you creates an entirely different mindset. The business community viewed Carter as one of their own. On the other hand, Harry Lee played the race card in neighboring (and predominatly white) Jefferson Parish when he focused on Carter's criticism of the incident on the bridge. So, Carter may well have been the 'white candidate' in Orleans Parish, but certainly not in Jefferson Parish.
"The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. -- Michelangelo
by Mike Stagg on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:57:32 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

Interesting, I am trying to remember if that jives differently from what Taegaris said on the subject. It's interesting to have the perspective of someone who appears to have a better handle on the local politics rather than just my opinion or those of others who are looking at this from afar. I believe you are right when you say all politics is local.


by bruh21 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:40:40 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (3.00 / 2)

And yet at the same time, the political establishment in New Orleans, and the voters, have spoken quite clearly.  And what they said is that corruption is perfectly reasonable, and that they no longer expect or want help from the Federal government.

I'm sorry, but really... hissy fit, much?

I wouldn't say the voters said any such thing, and it really would do a great service to your readers if you guys brought on maybe some local bloggers  - or asked them to do a retrospective to be posted here - to discuss what the issues actually were on the ground (as opposed to the DC/national political bloggers issues), as  well as why, while Jefferson is and was disliked by many, Carter was disliked equally if not more and some of the other little ins and outs of local politics, as this was a local election.

To not only speak for, but in the process completely demean these people who have already gone through more than most of us do in a lifetime, without even a hint that some of the underlying issues are even known, much less understood, (as parts of this post does - as well as some of the comments) just really is uncool. In my opinion.


by Nanette K on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:19:48 PM EST

Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

thx for this post.


by bruh21 on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:42:00 PM EST
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Put up a diary (none / 0)

So far I have seen comments where Carter was seen as a "white" candidate in one parrish but was resented by whites in another. So what was the overall effect.

I have seen comments where Carter did not run a grassroots effort. Was it because she did not even attempt it seriously, or was she shut out by the local political community with access to the neighborhood and she really had an uphill battle in that aspect?

What about her conduct turned off voters? Was she condescending?

It is clear she failed at reaching out to the grassroots(I hope our correspondents get better in the future at reading a situation instead of generating misplaced optimism in elections. )

The question is why did she fail? Was she at fault? Or did the local leaders and voters not give her a fair hearing?

Was she seen as privileged? And was there a resentment factor?

Was she seen as a kissup to the national establishment and was that rep justified?


by Pravin on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:55:08 PM EST
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Re: Put up a diary (none / 0)

I am not from New Orleans (or Louisiana and surrounding areas at all) and couldn't even begin to untangle all the various local issues. I have read the local bloggers and publications, however, and know that the corruption stuff (which neither candidate actually escaped) was only one part of things.

From observation, however...

So far I have seen comments where Carter was seen as a "white" candidate in one parrish but was resented by whites in another. So what was the overall effect.

Judging from the election returns, in areas where she was reportedly seen as the 'white candidate', the race was much closer - 48-52% at this time, in Orleans parish. Where she was reportedly resented by whites in the other, Jefferson parish, the results were very lopsided. Over 70% for Jefferson. What does this mean? Your guess is as good as mine.

What about her conduct turned off voters? Was she condescending?

Well, she generally seems to have been an uninspiring candidate, but I do know that in the beginning of her candidacy (which is when, apparently, she was designated the white candidate) she was courting white conservatives, the business establishment, others - who are generally not considered all that friendly to non white voters at the best of times. There is also the entire BOLD political machine thing, family connections, DLC connections, and all of that which I don't have a clear idea on, but which made a big difference in some people's minds (local white progressives as well as others). Dunno if she was condescending.

It is clear she failed at reaching out to the grassroots(I hope our correspondents get better in the future at reading a situation instead of generating misplaced optimism in elections. )

I don't know how much 'grassroots' reaching out she actually did. Perhaps the locals could shed more light on this - she didn't show up for the housing vote thingy, where Jefferson did, but I have no idea what other events, symbolic or otherwise, she appeared at. I don't think her actual constituency (from what I understand from far outside the state - I could be very wrong) was the grassroots, lower level people. More the business and upper level establishment.

Don't know the answers to your other questions either. I suspect that, in all of this, there are varied local opinions, different points of view from different areas of the parishes, and so on...  my objection is to the simplistic labeling of it as all about corruption, and thus the people voting for corruption out of ignorance, or out of not caring about it, etc, with no deeper analysis.

Oh, another point I have read at at least a couple of NO sites is that a good number of people hated both Jefferson and Carter... but if Jefferson got back in, he could probably be gotten rid of (being indicted, next election, so on), but if Carter got in, they'd likely be stuck with her for the next few election cycles, due to her political and family machine, so...  

Anyway, Mike Stagg above, and others are providing  some excellent "beyond the obvious" analysis, and hopefully some of the other nearby or local New Orleans bloggers/commenters will join in, or write diaries to balance out all this what I consider pretty simplistic and self-referential analysis.


by Nanette K on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 03:51:19 PM EST
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Re: Put up a diary (none / 0)

I am learning as we go along. I wish I followed this race more closely. I followed the Lamont race closely and so I put up a diary early on warning not to get too ecstatic. But with this race, I just took out bloggers optimism at face value since one can't follow every race if one's main profession is not politics. I will have to read all the old diaries and see how our bloggers totally misread this situation. Tim Tagaris seemed really optimistic , from the few excerpts I read of his reporting, and did not seem to relay any of the concerns about Carter brought up here. Then again, I will have to read all his blog entries to see if that is indeed the case before I judge the way this site reported on this.


by Pravin on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:12:35 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

I wrote that it was the political establishment and not just the voters that chose this.  At the same time, the electorate did choose a corrupt and cynical power hungry bad man to represent them.  There are a lot of reasons for this, and I am sympathetic to the voters.  They have good reason to vote based on anger towards outsiders, as outsiders do not have a huge amount of credibility.  The fact is though that this is what they chose, it's what they wanted, and we ought to show some respect to their will.  It was clear that Jefferson is probably going to be indicted and that he has no committee assignments.  That's what they voted for.


by Matt Stoller on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 05:44:27 PM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (3.00 / 2)

You guys are all right.  We're just a bunch of ign'rnt fuckmooks.  Because Jefferson Parish picked the wrong guy, you shouldn't rebuild New Orleans.

Rot in hell.


by DrAsh on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 07:34:51 PM EST

no your not! (none / 0)


by bob reid on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 08:55:01 AM EST
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Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (3.00 / 1)

     As far as the LA02 election is concerned, why the hell are you so condescending, uh Matt Stoller? Would you say that the American people asked for the Iraq War, being raped financially, unable to send their kids to college or get health care, uh? Thats the logic here. If you really are a liberal, stop with the rightious indignation. What happened was the result of local circumstances that really weren't there to be stopped. Even the idea that outsiders could do something about it demonstrates a notion of colonial superiority. Let bygones be bygones and try better next time, but don't say that oh, the African Americans are corrupt and the White nonhispanic suburbanites are sqeaky clean.


by alexsycara on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:14:50 AM EST

Re: No Leadership around New Orleans (none / 0)

"The people in that city desperately needed leadership, but they voted out of spite, mistrust, and bitterness ... And what they said is that corruption is perfectly reasonable, and that they no longer expect or want help from the Federal government."

This is the equivalent of suggesting that because Bush won two presidential elections, all of America said that a movement towards a police state and hypocrisy is perfectly reasonable.  It reminds me of people outside America who scoff at ALL of us because we have an idiot for a president, for whom almost 50% of us did not vote.

You should get a Pulitzer for journalism in which you write off a whole group of people because a majority (and not an overwhelming one at that) voted for a corrupt man.  

Do you know that some here put Jefferson back in office so that the feds can keep an eye on him, and that his indictment will be on the congressional front burner?

Stick to what you know.

- Maitri (a New Orleans blogger)


by maitri on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:03:22 PM EST


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