Joke "all MyDD bloggers are really Jerome" post suckers MSM

Bumped from the Diaries -- Jonathan... Wow. Very amusing, indeed. Scary, though. These scholars and pundits profess to be on high but neither take the time to follow up with any of the bloggers in question from the New York Times piece nor do even a little reporting to realize that I was clearly being sarcastic in my post last week.

[Cross-posted from Blue Mass. Group.  Thought y'all might be interested in this both to see what happens when MSM pundits who lack senses of humor read snarky posts, and as yet another example of how the MSM punditocracy sees political blogging.]

If you caught "Beat the Press" on Greater Boston on Friday evening, you saw a taped piece on political blogging -- inspired by last Sunday's NY Times op-ed piece and op-chart on blogging-for-dollars -- which included a couple of snippets of an interview with yours truly.  And then you saw the usual live chitchat with Greater Boston's usual suspects, all of whom duly tut-tutted about political bloggers getting paid.  If you missed it on TV, you can watch it on YouTube (YouTube swears it'll be up soon).


Now, for the record, I don't really give a crap whether a campaign wants to pay a blogger to blog -- as long as the blogger discloses the payments.  Taking campaign money without disclosing, however, is astroturfing, and is a very bad idea that gives blogging a bad name.  And I don't think anyone seriously disagrees with that.


But "Beat the Press" made a couple of big, big mistakes in Friday night's piece, and they were bad enough that I'm not very happy that I appeared in the show.  (Unfortunately, I had no control over that -- I did the interview without having any idea what the rest of the taped piece would look like, nor, of course, what the live chat would cover.)  The gory details are after the flip.

First, and most embarrassingly, John Carroll (who put the taped piece together) got totally suckered by a joke post at MyDD, and as a result made a sweeping accusation of massive deception by MyDD blogger Jerome Armstrong that is, simply put, false.  Here's what Carroll said in the piece:


According to the Times, the "kept bloggers" appeared on some of the left wing's glamor websites, from the Huffington Post to the Daily Kos to MyDD, whose sole proprietor Jerome Armstrong pocketed almost $200,000 from various candidates.  The Times piece said that few of the kept bloggers shut down their independent sites after going on the take, but it went even beyond that.  Armstrong bragged this week that the other bloggers he'd farmed out his website to, were in reality, him, writing under those aliases the entire time.  And the blogrolling didn't stop there: Armstrong also posed as liberal blogger Scott Shields, who posted for pay for yet another Democratic candidate.  But David Kravitz says not to worry, the truth will out.


Well, I bet you're surprised to learn that Jerome Armstrong is MyDD's "sole proprietor," and that Scott Shields, Matt Stoller, Chris Bowers, and the rest of the MyDD guys don't actually exist, but are only screen aliases for Armstrong.  And in fact, of course, those guys do exist, and Carroll's piece is flat-out wrong in that respect.


Here's what happened.  After the NY Times piece was published, Jonathan Singer wrote up this snarky post at MyDD, which includes the following choice lines:


While Glover [the NYT piece's author] does note that some of "these bloggers shut down their 'independent' sites after signing on with campaigns" or that "most disclosed their campaign ties on their blogs", he fails to mention the fact that a number of the bloggers, like Jerome, largely recused themselves of writing during the course of their employment, farming out writing responsibilities to other bloggers like Chris, Matt and myself.


The reason why may shock you: Chris, Matt and Jonathan do not exist, despite any previous claims. He got me. We're all the same person. I (Jerome) have been writing under these aliases the entire time I have been working on other campaigns. I also used to write under the name of Scott Shields until I got hired under that pseudonym by another campaign. Thought you met Matt, Chris or Jonathan at Yearly Kos or some other event? Most likely you met one of the young fellows I paid to play those roles. They're just out of work, dime a dozen actors from Los Angeles. Anyone could have played them.


So Mr. Glover, you got me. Even though on the surface I did everything possible to remove any potential conflict of interest, effectively stopping my blogging on MyDD and disclosing on this site who I was working for, it was all a big act. Sorry America.


Ha ha, right?  Big joke -- the line about the "dime a dozen actors" portraying Shields et al. at Yearly Kos was pretty much the giveaway on that one.  Yet the post did manage to fool at least one commenter:


Re: Clearing Things Up (none / 0)


Are you serious?  Is this a confession of blatant wrongdoing or are you intentionally exaggerating what appears to be a serious transgression of blogging ethics?


Roberto in Utah


by reder01 on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 01:58:43 PM EST


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    He's joking. We all exist.


    And you're seriously not paying attention if you think that what Glover wrote about amounts to "a serious transgression of blogging ethics."


    by Scott Shields on Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 02:17:08 PM EST




So Carroll got suckered by something that (1) is obviously a joke, and (2) could easily have been verified as such had Carroll bothered to undertake the most cursory investigation, which led to Carroll's falsely accusing Armstrong of gross deception.  And what sticks in my personal craw is that Carroll then used that false accusation as the lead-in to a quote from me which, in its original context, had nothing to do with the Armstrong story.  Armstrong was never mentioned in the interview with me; what I was responding to was a question about whether secret blogging-for-dollars in general gives blogging a bad name.  What I said, and what I believe is true, is that astroturfing and other forms of fake blogging (like the Charlie Bass incident up in NH) usually get sniffed out pretty quickly.  But the way my quote was used, it looked as though I was excusing Armstrong's (nonexistent) bad conduct by saying it's no big deal because it'll all come out in the wash.  Not so -- I disapprove of astroturfing, and I said so in parts of the interview that ended up on the cutting room floor.


Also extremely annoying to me was Joe Sciacca's bizarre commentary on the role of BMG in the election.  Sciacca, after making several general points that I thought were basically right, said the following:


Blue Mass. Group, for example, which is a great website, but, you know, when they endorsed [MA Gov.-elect] Deval Patrick, people in Deval Patrick's campaign were disappointed, because now suddenly they had sort of shown their hand, and it didn't seem like there was some great groundswell of support on the internet for Deval, it was just basically an extension of their campaign website.


Wow.  That's both false and completely nonsensical.  As far as the facts go, I have no idea who Sciacca was talking to inside the Patrick campaign (if he actually talked to anyone instead of pulling this out of his ass), but I sure never heard anything about anyone being "disappointed" that we endorsed Patrick -- quite the contrary, "well-placed campaign sources" (as the saying goes) told me that the campaign was extremely pleased with our endorsement.  And the notion that BMG became "an extension of [Patrick's] campaign website" after we endorsed him is ridiculous.  Four days after we endorsed Patrick, Charley put up a post basically saying that Patrick's first TV ads were weak.  We criticized Patrick's handling of the LaGuer brouhaha, both on the blog and elsewhere.  What more do you want?  I mean, for God's sake, of course we wanted the guy to win -- that's why we endorsed him.  But in what parallel universe does that convert BMG into an "extension" of devalpatrick.com?


Furthermore, Sciacca's theory makes no sense at all.  As he and the rest of them on the show well know (but as nobody bothered to mention until waaaaaay into the discussion), BMG was not paid by Deval Patrick or anyone else -- we endorsed Patrick because we thought he was the best candidate and we wanted him to win.  So how is it, exactly, that our endorsement wasn't part of a "groundswell of support on the internet for Deval"?  In fact, I'd suggest that what happened on BMG and other blogs over the last several months was exactly that.  It's not like we were the only regulars on this site who backed him.  Further, what's our alternative?  Not publicly endorse him, and then have someone "blow the whistle" on us when they search OCPF and "discover" that we donated to his campaign?  As we said at the time we endorsed him, saying publicly who we were backing was not only a matter of trying to advance (in our modest way) the prospects of the candidate we liked, it was a matter of basic honesty with BMG's readers who deserved to know where we were coming from.  Which, incidentally, is more than you'll get from most MSM pundits -- I don't recall Emily Rooney, John Carroll, or the rest of the gang publicly declaring who they were going to vote for (though Sciacca's WRKO talk show is pretty much a giveaway).


Bottom line: think twice before accepting an invitation to do a taped interview.  At least on the live TV talk shows, if you don't like the way you came across you pretty much have only yourself to blame.


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Re: Joke (none / 0)

I think I'd rather just have this go into the ether of zombie TV land than be on YouTube, and damn these people are fools.

Total bullshit all around:

I am not those posters, it was a spoof post made by Jonathan Singer.

I disclosed on MyDD when I went to work with those candidates and didn't blog about them on the site; in fact I stopped blogging till it ended, except about the book I'd written.

The recipient of the funds from Brown and Warner campaigns/organizations was the internet vendor company Political Technologies that has many contractors, and had nothing to do with blogging.

A six minute retraction? Or equal time to talk about how lazy these pretend pundits were, not even looking into the factual claims before they slandered?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:55:36 AM EST

Slander (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure this is actionable. You have been very publicly slandered. And since the defense against slander is truth, they've got nothin'.

They clearly didn't even do minimum due diligence to confirm or substantiate their allegations, and that kind of sheer incompetence needs to be called to account.


by Malacandra on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:49:12 AM EST
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Re: Joke (none / 0)

Yes, Jerome, you need to fight.  Since the day I started paying attention to politics, I've been defending people, mostly Democratic candidates, who have been demonstrably unwilling to defend themselves.  Please forgive me for being so blunt, but you don't strike me as a person willing to make noise in your own name--you prefer to be a shieldbearer for others, a role which utterly fails when you are the quarry.  Don't go berserk, fight back in your naturally dignified manner, but please do not add yourself to the obscenely long list of passive lefty targets.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:04:11 PM EST
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Re: Joke (none / 0)

How many times do you all need to get booted in the nuts before you realize its all about FUD, FUD, FUD? Now the conservatroids have one more swiftboating talking point they can roll out whenever blogging ethics comes up. The factual truth is of no concern to them. They will ignore snark and use it as fact when it suits them.


by billybob on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 05:41:12 PM EST
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Look at it this way: (none / 0)

When Bush's term is up, he refuses to leave office, and the black helicopters come to take away all of the left wing bloggers, all the MyDDers can have an "I'm Spartacus" moment.


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by Valatan on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 06:37:16 PM EST
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Re: Joke (none / 0)

All your usernames are belong to us. lol!!


by waitingforvizzini on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:32:52 AM EST
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Nasty Politics (none / 0)

Welcome to nasty politics: dishonest statements, being quoted out of context, comments made in jest taken straight, being attacked unfairly by pundits without being able to respond, having these attacks dishonestly echoed endlessly by thousands of right-wing media outlets, blogs, and the MSM.

Be careful. Everyone can be swift-boated and every progressive probably will be.

Recommendations: Take the high road. Don't make snarky comments. Back up assertions with honest facts and good references. Be very careful what you say on tape if someone else is editing the tape.


by RandomNonviolence on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 05:55:20 AM EST

Re: Nasty Politics (none / 0)

Recommendations: Take the high road. Don't make snarky comments.

I don't think you need to go this far. After all, those snarky comments are part of the fuel that makes the blogs work. Still... doesn't hurt to tag snarks as such... After all, as Gray sez,

The disease of stupidity is spreading all over the US.
Gotta help those who can't help themselves.


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by JohnMac on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:36:08 AM EST
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Re: Nasty Politics (none / 0)

After many long decades haplessly observing American public life, I've come to the conclusion that this is in fact true. American human beings are getting stupider. I don't know if it's something in the water, or what, but it is definitely happening. The people who stuck us into Vietnam made a horrible mistake, but they were an order of magnitude smarter than the ones who have stuck us into Iraq. It's a strange thing. There isn't any obvious reason for an increase in stupidity, but it's palpable.


by SqueakyRat on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:31:04 AM EST
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Re: Nasty Politics (none / 0)

And what would you suggest?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 03:16:48 PM EST
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"all MyDD bloggers are really Jerome" (none / 0)

I'm Jerome and so's my wife! Does Markos really exist? Where does it end? Josh Marshall? Duncan Black? Is the Internet all a big "Jerome"? "Jerome-roots"? "Jerome-osphere"?

That is disturbing and hilarious at the same time. "Paid actors"! Good lord, have these people NO sense of humor? I mean, you don't have to find the original post funny, but ... sheesh, not to even realize it's a joke. You have to be basically looking to believe something like that to believe something like that, if you know what I mean.

The worst thing about it is that when they do a correction (and they really have to do a correction on that or Jerome could sue because that's slander), they'll have the attitude, "See, you can't trust the Internet for information."

This shows the real crux of the problem of pundits getting what's going on here: TV pundits are based in a world where the viewer/consumer doesn't have filters up to the information he/she is receiving. It's television, so information just flows over you. So bloggers getting paid (and then going back to blogging) is bad because they think we as readers can't filter out for viewpoint and biases. Um, so Scott worked for a Democratic candidate ... does that make him favorably disposed to (gasp) Democrats? Here on MyDD? Whatever shall we do?!?

When, jokes on them, it's they who can't filter out the information to notice an obvious joke.

Paying actors ... ha!


by BriVT on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 07:05:42 AM EST

Paid actors (none / 0)

Paying actors ... ha!

Seriously! When it should be obvious we so worship the Great Liberal Blogging Gods that we'd jump at the chance to impersonate them for free.
;-)


by pattyp on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 11:42:57 AM EST
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Re: Joke (none / 0)

The disease of stupidity is spreading all over the US. It's hopeless. Get out while you still can!
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No way, no how, no McCain!
by Gray on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 07:34:19 AM EST

All MyDD Bloggers Are Really Grays? (none / 0)

Well, I have been around here for quite awhile, and I can easily discern the very distinct writing styles and shades of opinion among the dozen or so "grays" that rule the MyDD roost. Now this is such a great goof!:

I have read posts that claim bloggers like Jerome Armstrong could not possibly be one individual, claims backed up by analyses that purport to prove that no individual could blog that much!

Or maybe all of us at MyDD are this cult where we all sit behind monitors in this big room, pretending to be one another, none of whom we really are.

Not only that. We belong to a mysterious lodge, wear special rings, and use secret hand gestures. Boy, I sure hope none of the pseudosincere McMedia voices read this!


by blues on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 07:42:24 AM EST

Re: All MyDD Bloggers Are Really Grays? (none / 0)

"All MyDD Bloggers Are Really Grays?"

Damn! You got me. And I have to confess now: I'm not only all bloggers here, I'm also the author of all comments at Americablog and TheNewsBlog. Ok, it's a lot of stress sometimes, but still a good job for someone with multiple personality disorder.
:D


No way, no how, no McCain!
by Gray on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:21:21 AM EST
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Re: All MyDD Bloggers Are Really Grays? (none / 0)

Especially considering you had to travel all the way here from the Pleiades star cluster.


by blues on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:02:15 AM EST
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New "Rule" Needed! (none / 0)

Another thing. We need a new "rule!" No serious bloggers should ever say anything to the McMedia in January. Nothing. We just spread the word that serious bloggers don't talk to McMedia voices this coming January -- tell all your friends and kin. Total boycott. Anybody who breaks omerta gets ass-kicked. I will make big flaming posts about "asserting my independence," by "talking freely to reporters" -- and then start wearing a huge leg cast -- and then protest the rest of you thugs on main street. Muddy the waters and see what happens.


by blues on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:31:53 AM EST

That is why I dont like snark (none / 0)

And I blame Stephen colbert for that.

snark is like an insie joke--only regular readers, friends know it.  But for irregular readers, new people--they wouldnt understand.  And that goes for snarky titles.


by jasmine on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:23:41 AM EST

Re: That is why I dont like snark (none / 0)

What I like less is the unprofessional reporting of journalists who don't even make a call or two to corroborate their stories.

This was an easy one.  Reporter should quickly have learned the reality of the situation.

To be fair, I think a lot of journalists really do want to do the right thing.  It may or may not be the case here, but there's a real phenomenon of journalists being horribly pressed for time -- in order to meet productivity quotas imposed by corporate managers.  I know WGBH is public teevee ... but I've also seen that "productivity" imperative spill over into the nonprofit world.


by by foot on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:34:15 AM EST
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all MyDD bloggers are really Jerome" (none / 0)

msm gets paid obscene amounts of money to be insipid , stupid and incompetant.  Of course they are threatened by the blogosphere which does what they are supposed to be doing, only for a lot less money.
That is not to say there are never mistakes on serious blog posts.
But you know, it is not really your problem or anyone else's whether they "get it" or not. Let them account for their own incompetance.  Let them examine their own deficiencies publically. If they don't then there are some of us who will do it for them.  Take the battle to them and let's not worry about what they think of your or anyone else who is doing political blogging.
Be the media, God knows much of the MSM hasn't been for years.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:48:39 AM EST

A retraction (none / 0)

Have you contacted Carroll to get him to issue a correction?


by adamterando on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:38:49 AM EST

Re: A retraction (none / 0)

I emailed the guy who interviewed me (who wasn't Carroll, but who works with him on the show) pointing out Carroll's error (among other beefs).  As of yet, no reply.  I trust they're ... investigating.


by david blue on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:50:45 PM EST
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taped interview (none / 0)

In a taped interview, it's often good to repeat the important parts relentlessly.

If the main point of the interview is that astroturfing is bad, say it over and over and over again, in response to every question -- to the point where you start to find yourself annoying. That makes it much more likely that it will get through.

While this sort of thing can be partly attributed to sloppiness, it's a sloppiness that comes from hurrying; they have just a tiny amount of time to edit the interview for TV and there is a lot of other material grabbing at their attention. The clips aren't chosen so much for the significance of their content, they're chosen more on the basis of what looks and sounds good. Repetition means your point will make it. It's hard to make yourself do it, but it definitely works...


by drewthaler on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:14:48 AM EST

Re: taped interview (none / 0)

Good advice. Thanks.


by david blue on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:51:16 PM EST
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Re: Joke (none / 0)

Well, I don't know what to say except we got fooled or punk'd


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by kydem on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:34:08 AM EST

It's like a bad movie (none / 0)

It's one thing to get it so wrong in print, it's quite another to screw up on tape.  What part of research is unclear to those people?  How ever long that segment was, I'd demand equal time just to rip them a new one.  There really is no excuse for such a massive mistake.


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by fabooj on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:51:22 AM EST

Snark? What snark? (none / 0)

I don't see what all the fuss is about. They just saw through the weak claims of 'snark' and the pathetic attempts at creating differences of opinion Jerome introduces to try to differentiate himself from the 'other' writers.

I mean come on, the paid actors aren't even convincing.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:29:04 PM EST

Re: Snark? What snark? (none / 0)

You mean even though I've had intense disagreements with Jerome over the years (mostly about Paul Hackett and Sherrod Brown), I really don't exist?  Boy, I better let my two co-bloggers know.

Thing is, the GOP/Media 'hos don't care if it's true or not, so long as they can use it to attack anyone who threatens their place on the corporate gravy train.  Upton Sinclair had them pegged decades ago:  "It is difficult to get a man to understand a thing when his salary depends on his not understanding it."


by Phoenix Woman on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:33:53 PM EST
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Jerome stands 10 feet tall (none / 0)

If this Jerome guy can do all of the writing at MyDD and run the internet concurrently for a whole bunch of big races then I think he should be getting paid for more money.

This John Carroll guy on the other hand seems like a  rube.


by Bob Brigham on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:33:19 PM EST

Speed of Sound Tour (none / 0)

Back when we first launched Music for America as a national organization, we put up bios for ourselves with some humor, as you do. My colleague Franz Hartl inserted the line, "Franz was briefly a roadie for Metallica on their Speed of Sound tour," a reference to The Big Lebowski, which we were all quoting like mad at that time ("This aggression will not stand, man").

Imagine our surprise when this was repeated as fact in the Chicago Tribune.

Journalisming is Hard Work.


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 03:25:21 PM EST

Re: Speed of Sound Tour (none / 0)

"A Brother Seamus? What... like an Irish monk?"


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by X Stryker on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:38:23 PM EST
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Not everyone has seen "The Big Lebowski" (none / 0)

I wouldn't have known that a bio saying someone was a roadie for Metallica was a joke, either.


by EricJaffa on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 03:20:13 PM EST
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No fact-check (none / 0)

Indeed. Although if the journalist had actually called anyone to talk about the organization they might have have been a bit more clued in.

There also was no "speed of sound tour," not that they would have fact-checked that either.


Me | My Work | Future Majority
by Josh Koenig on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 06:47:56 PM EST
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