Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem

This is stunning.

Each of the four comes with their own strengths and weaknesses. Mrs. Clinton, for example, has already raised nearly $38 million and spent nearly $29.5 million in an election year when her Republican challenger, John Spencer, was still virtually unknown outside of political circles.

In an incredible wave year, in one of the blueish states in the country, we picked up just three House seats and one state Senate seat.  There were three, maybe even four, more seats we could have taken.  And we didn't come close to taking the state Senate, which we need to do to be in a position for redistricting in 2010.  I'm no Evan Bayh fan, but at least in Indiana we got three seats out of three seats we could have gotten.

So be aware.  At the top of the ticket, Hillary Clinton spent more money on her reelection campaign than any Senate campaign in the country, and had no opponent.  And at the end of the day, despite all the money raised and all the campaigns she did events for, her name on the ticket in New York state helped no one but herself.

Hillary Clinton may win the nomination, and she may be able to win the White House.  Or she may decide not to run for President, and become a wonky technocratic Senator.  But regardless of what happens, don't expect her to bring anyone into office with her.  That's not how the Clinton's work.

UPDATE: Look, Clinton may have put a lot of effort into taking those four House seats and state Senate seats, or she may not have. If she did, she deserves credit for that effort. But it just didn't work. She didn't become the symbol for the public to voice their concerns about the Republican majority, and a reason to vote straight Democratic ticket. Neither did Eliot Spitzer, and I'm a big fan of his. Clinton didn't stand firm on Iraq, she didn't stand firm on any issue except how good Hillary Clinton is for New York. She localized a national election, and that hurt downticket candidates and helped her. I'm not saying she's a bad person or a bad Senator. I'm just saying that she didn't have coattails.



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my money's on her not running (3.00 / 3)

which would be the right thing for her to do. She's got a safe Senate seat and could be a great senator if she weren't focusing on positioning for a presidential run.

No one in iowa supports her.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:03:40 PM EST

Re: my money's on her not running (2.00 / 2)

And as of this morning, it doesn't matter who anyone in Iowa supports. The Vilsack candidacy has rendered the Iowa Caucus irrelevant in 2008 if he follows through with an actual run. It will be like 1992, with Harkin's run.


by wmsiegel on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:47:17 PM EST
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actually, no (3.00 / 2)

Few people here support Vilsack for president. Edwards and others would certainly contest the Iowa caucuses--they could finish off Vilsack's candidacy quickly by doing better here than he does. A few months back an Iowa poll by the DM Register showed Vilsack in fourth place among Iowa Democrats.

After the 1992 campaign some of the candidates supposedly regretting giving Iowa a pass--Harkin would not have had unanimous support if there had been a real campaign here.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:10:21 PM EST
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Re: Iowa (3.00 / 1)

I saw an interview today of a Des Moine reporter. Based on a recent poll, Governor Vilsack was only running 4th in Iowa among potential dems. IF that's the case, his campaign may start & end in Iowa


by labanman on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:45:32 PM EST
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Re: my money's on her -not- running (none / 0)

She'll run.  One thing about the Clinton's is that they certainly don't lack for ego.  I am so done with DLC/K Street politicians.  We don't need her or want her.  Republicans who voted D this time have said they'll never support Hillary.  My guess is McCain will run, and the MSM think he is a "moderate" and a "hero warrior".  They think Hillary is a bitch.  No Hillary cause we sure as hell don't want McCain as President.


Follow the money
by dkmich on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 05:55:48 AM EST
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Re: my money's on her not running (none / 0)

It won't be another 1992.  Iowa is more important that ever.  It's gonna be a circus.


by howardpark on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 08:55:44 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

Any of our New Yorkers know if she actually campaigned with any state candidates? Gave money to them?

I'm okay with her not having coattails if she at least made an effort to lift them up. If she doesn't have coattails AND didn't do anything to help those candidates, THEN we have a real problem.

Oh, and other than that one random, utterly unsubstantiated blurb about Reid's willingness to let her be majority leader, has anyone else ever heard anything about Clinton considering the position? I sure haven't. It seems like one of those silly one-shot rumors that pop up and become ingrained in netroots culture.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:07:34 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 6)

Hillary campaigned hard and regularly for just about every Democratic House challenger in the state.

She held fund raisers.

She brought her own donors.

She contributed to the candidates.

She contributed to the state party.

She contributed big to the DSCC.

She loaned her campaign people to working for candidates and the state party in the most coordinated effort I have seen to get down ballot candidates elected.

We won 3 Republican held house seats as a result.

I am disappointed we did not win NY-25 and NY-29 but Maffei had a slow start and 29 is the toughest district in the state. Jack Davis in NY-26 wasn't really a Democrat and was a lousy uninspiring candidate.

I am disappoint we did not win more but this assessment is overly harsh. Hillary did her part. Credit where credit is due. Hillary did her part.

When it comes to the state senate there are issues. Virtually no money flows to state senate challengers. I am broken hearted our own Brian Keeler didn't win but he did give a real charge to the incumbent and will beat him in 2008. But Democrats need to stop abandoning their State Senate candidates. It is time for Joe Bruno to go. It is time to remove the last vestiges of Republicanism from New York.

By the way, Hillary showed up at combined events for Kirsten Gillibrand and Brian Keeler. Brian shared the stage with Kirsten and President Bill Clinton.

Hillary did her part.


The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:04:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (1.00 / 1)

Yeah, she was totally there for Lamont every step of the way.

Just like her husband was there for Rwandans...


by kovie on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:10:33 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 3)

Hillary did some work, no doubt, but I was surprised, in my first foray in NY politics, at just how provincial and turf-driven it is. Local county committees can be very protective of their turf, and protecting incumbents appears to be the defining principle of both parties at the state level. The organizational/GOTV efforts I saw generally depended greatly on the local committees, which seemed like why almost no State Senate seats changed hands.

Personally, I think this local aspect of everything explains Walsh and Kuhl winning (and McHugh and Fossella having no problems again). They have much greater local infrastructures than their challengers. And the folks who won all had specific issues with their races. Arcuri was always favored over Meier, and Sweeney had some massive ethical problems, especially at the end. John Hall just ran an excellent campaign, and Sue Kelly didn't.

Hillary did quite a bit of money-spreading. I don't think she did a lot to improve the Democratic infrastructure in the redder places in New York, but I don't necessarily blame her for that. New York's kinda funky ... and I don't expect her to be able to change the entire political culture of the state.

Generally speaking, though, her actions didn't make me convinced she was running for President. She may, but I'm not as sure anymore ...


by BriVT on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:10:49 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

New York's kinda funky

To put it mildly.  "Provincial" is the word for upstate New York.

Not terribly like that many upstaters are going to let downstaters tell them who to vote for.  One should think of the "Truman landslide" when Dewey ran for president.  That was the last time our district elected a Democrat before Arcuri won.

I am no fan of Hillary.  Despite being happy other New Yorkers wish to see our Arkansas trash spend most of their time out of the state, I voted for the Libertarian or Green or one of them.  Didn't matter which.

But I do object that the fine senator is being mistreated when claiming she is somehow responsible for not electing some great candidates in the case of Maffei and Massa who sadly lost. Hey, Davis would have been great represenative too I think.  A contrary sort for sure but who wouldn't be better than Reynolds?

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:29:17 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

I think Fossella is beatable if we run an actual Staten Islander against him.  The locals are going to be too provincial if we run someone from Brooklyn, and I'm pretty confident we can pick up the Brooklyn vote either way.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:42:57 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

Andrew - Well said.  This is a completely unfair criticism of Hillary.  I can't tell you how many fundraisers she was hosting for Gillibrand, Maffei, etc that I was invited to.  I couldn't afford to attend but I know she did a ton.  Also, winning 3 house seats is a VERY BIG DEAL.  I would have loved to have won 5 but it is not as though we won none.  We now have a 23-6 Dem delegation which means 80% of it is D.  That is a lot higher than D-R ratio of registered voters in the state which runs a little more than 3-2 Dem.  

The State Senate is a real problem.  My local Senator has headed the campaign committee the last 2 cycles and won a net of 4 seats but candidate recruitment reamins a problem.  Most D Assemblypeople want to stay in there seats because they don't want to be in the minority.  A lot D of local office holders would rather wait until an Assembly seat opens up for the same reason.  Example, Staten Island where Janelle Hyers-Spencer challenged an incumbent Assemblyman and won rather than run for an open Senate seat.  It appears that Serf Maltese seat was a missed opportunity but no one saw it coming.  I am hopeful we can chip away 4 more seats in the next two cycles to get the majority prior to redistricting and can draw less gerrymandered lines.

NY we had a sweep of statewide offices (the first since the 1930s), a 3 seat pick up in the House, a 3 seat pickup in the Assembly and a 1 seat pickup in the Senate.  All in all a good year.


by John Mills on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 12:33:52 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 3)

If it's true that she and Spitzer got Kiryas Joel to flip its bloc vote from Republican to Democrat, we owe them NY-19.

I'm no Hillary fan, but at least there's that.


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by HellofaSandwich on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:22:27 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

Kiryas Joel is actually a pretty big constituency in the 19th and may have provided Hall with his margin of victory.


by dpinzow on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:13:45 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

Well, yeah.  That's about 5000 Republican votes that converted into Democratic votes.

Without Kiryas Joel, Hall wouldn't have won.

Without Clinton and Spitzer's intervention, Sue Kelly would have won.

Chew on that one for a minute, Stoller.


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by HellofaSandwich on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:18:26 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

It was reported that Sheldon Silver , the NY Assembly Speaker.

Article over here:
http://thepoliticker.observer.com/2006/1 1/kiryas-joel-like-chinatown.html

I have no idea where your getting your info from but... several media sources say Silver's influence was key here -- not Clinton or Spitzer.

In either case the only reason the race was as close as it was was because of those damned robocalls made in the days before the election.

I was predicting a 4-5% Hall victory (all because of superior ground game) but since the robo calls went out I was much less enthusistic.

I'm not sure how anyone can point to one event and  call it the reason someone won or lost.

What about the 4 local paper endorsements? What would have happened if only 3 papers endorsed him?

You see where theoritical possibilities go? They can't be proved or used in any useful sense.

-- MrMacMan


by MrMacMan on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:09:15 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

Actually, same source--the Politicker, said that Spitzer and Clinton both lobbied for Hall in an earlier piece.


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by HellofaSandwich on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:41:46 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

There's a reason Hillary is building up her own "shadow DNC" operation:  it's because running against her party makes a lot of strategic sense for her if she wants to be President.  It's an unfortunate trend amongst many modern Democratic presidential candidates (see: Jame MacGregor Burns excellent book "Running Alone").  But if she has any shot, she will need to defuse the attacks that she's a crazy leftist which will mean focusing on her own cult of personality, not the welfare of the party as a whole.


by LPMandrake on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:22:44 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

This is certainly one possible strategy, but not one that anyone calling themselves a Democrat let alone progressive could morally support.

At best, it's a pathetically weak and cowardly way to win the presidency.

At worst, it's stabbing her party in the back.

And in any case, it's not something that any real Democrat would or should ever do, or should even have to do in a political climate in which the country is moving away from the GOP. This isn't just unethical, immoral and disloyal, it's also poltically stupid, cowardly and unnecessary.

Hillary must not be allowed to secure the nomination, under ANY circumstances.


by kovie on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:15:00 PM EST
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Seriously...... (3.00 / 3)

I'm not defending Hillary. I actually hate doing it. But it seems like you first zero in on a conclusion you like and they gather your evidence.

New York has 23 Democrats of a total delegation of 29. This election could have easily swept in three other House challengers all of whom lost by 3 percent or less (Massa, Davis and Maffei). Had they won, would you be proclaiming Hillcary queen of all that is Democratic?

Bayh didn't sweep anyone into office when he ran. As I recall in 2004 Indiana elected Bayh but only two Democrats to office.

The real problem with Hillary is blowing $29 million on a Senate race that she could have won by fewer percentage points for about $28 million less. Unlike the cheapskate Bayh, Hillary actually gave money to other Democrats - $5 million total. To my best recollection Bayh cut a check for $100k in the waning days for the campaign.


by crazymoloch on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:25:01 PM EST

Re: Seriously...... (3.00 / 1)

Hillary had way more money than Bayh to give in the first place, and he also campaigned pretty hard for Ellsworth, Donnelly and Hill. Still, I don't think Hillary deserves a lot of blame for those seats, I'm sure she helped make them as close as they were.


by JRyan on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:42:59 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

Exactly right.  

Plus, of those three seats that weren't won in the House, Eric Massa had his own scandals to deal with, and Tom Reynolds is one of the most powerful Republicans in the House.  Reynolds took a hit for Foley, but after the initial surge, it definitely blew over some.  In the end, Dems got with 4% of taking out Tom Reynolds, and 2 days later you're pointing fingers at each other because he pulled it out?  Geez.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:56:45 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (3.00 / 3)

this is an urban myth.  I work my ass off and donate a lot of money to dems and i live in NY.  I voted for Howie Hawkins.  I want Hillary to go away.  

But there is no way she spent $29 million on her campaign.  I want to see some numbers to back up that claim.  I just don't believe it. I saw some Hillary is for NY lawn signs.  They got changed to "hillary is for war" signs by the locals.   But $29 million?  does anyone have proof of that?   Am i so far out of of the mainsteam media that i could miss a $29 million spend?    

If it is true she should be put out to pasture.  Her opponent fathered two children with his chief of staff while still married.  $29 could beat that guy.


by democracyinalbany on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:43:02 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I think it includes money Hillary gave to the DSCC, Lamont and other candidates.


by crazymoloch on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:47:36 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

Hillary spent a lot of money but very little of it was on her own campaign. She gave a ton to the DSCC and as you know she was in the various upstate New York House districts on a regular basis campaigning for our candidates as well as hosting fund raisers down in the city for them.


The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:13:50 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (3.00 / 6)

agreed.  I'm no clinton fan but hillary and bill both worked hard for Gillibrand.  Two visits by Bill in a campaign and one on election eve?  And bill and hill were all over upstate NY for all the candidates.

I think the bloggers need to back off a bit on attacking people who have been helping our cause.   Its politics.   You'll never agree with everyone who is on your side.   Why are people attacking Obama the week before an election?   Why are people saying Spitzer has no chance at higher office while he is still only picking out his transition team?   He could end up being the best governor ever....that might count for something.   Why are people attacking hillary when we just fucking won?  

And why is it such a big deal about who  gets credit in the press for this victory?   We won.  Where I'm from you don't start bragging about how you had more assists than the other guy on your team after you win.   The reporters always say the blonde guy was the best even though the real reason for the victory was the guy who played D and boxed out.   If you were instrumental in your team's victory, the people who need to know it, know it.   When you have power, you don't need to take credit for it.  And you the netroots have that power.   I know its a new thing for the netroots, but I think it would be better to savor our collective victory instead of trying to stake out our new found power.

We all know Rahm threw $3 million away in Ill.   he knows it.  Rahm isn't going away.  Rubbing his nose in it probably won't help our cause.  

Did you hear we took the Senate today?  


by democracyinalbany on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:33:49 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (3.00 / 1)

This is for Matt and your comment. If we're talking about Birch Bayh then you're right. Birch works his ass of for Democrats up and down the ballot. Evan Bayh didn't help anyone else get elected in Indiana. Those races were won by the strong ground work of local activists, Deans 50 state program and great candidates running great campaigns in districts that fit the candidates perfectly. I'd be the first to give Evan Bayh credit if he deserved it but he doesn't.
by Kombiz Lavasany on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 02:11:29 AM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. You're going to give Howard Dean the lion's share of the credit in Indiana while totally ignoring Bayh's contributions? Bayh campaigned hard for Donnelly and Ellsworth, and even harder for Hill. Without looking too closely I found this and this.


by JRyan on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:32:21 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I didn't give Dean the lions credit of the share, I thought the people he hired early to organize were effective. I don't know how to rebut the two articles without saying that I know they're meaningless. Evan Bayh has always been about Evan Bayh and not much else. I'd love to be proven wrong since I don't really have much against Bayh per se and I'd walk over hot coals for his father but if we use the Warner standard as someone who helped contribute to Dems winning seats, (or aghast even the Vilsack standard in places like IA-01), Bayh would fall short. The real credit goes to the campaigns on the ground.
by Kombiz Lavasany on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 02:38:37 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

"Evan Bayh didn't help anyone else get elected in Indiana."

Those articles specifically stated that Bayh campaigned for Donnelly and Hill. Like I said, if I looked harder I would most likely find even more instances of Bayh campaigning for democrats. They aren't "meaningless," they contradict your statement above. Warner contributed to the dems winning a senate seat, and though I'm not aware how much effort Vilsack invested into IA-01, IA-02, and Culver's race (even though Blouin was his chosen candidate), it had to be substantial. That's all great, but I've never considered it a contest. I'm just pointing out that to say that "Evan Bayh didn't help anyone else get elected in Indiana" is crap.


by JRyan on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 03:29:50 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I was a staffer on Chocula's campaign against Donnelly.  I'm not familiar enough with New York politics to make a comparison to Hillary's efforts, but it seemed to me that Bayh's involvement was instrumental because it gave Donnelly credibility among the district's voters by helping show that he wasn't very liberal.  There aren't very many Democrats that have a lot of cross-over appeal here.
It's too bad that Senator Clinton didn't campaign for Donnelly... I think that would have put us over the top.  

Cheers, a wildly Indianan conservative.


by DrLovecraft on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:59:41 AM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I think the problem is that giving $5 million to other candidates while literally spending $28 MILLION when it was utterly unnecessary is not real support for other Democrats.  It is not the amount of money she gave, but the percentage of her support for the rest of the candidates that seems wrong.  We want safe candidates and popular paraty leaders to build the rest of the party and help support good candidates, not think only of themselves.  Especially when the $5 million is compared to how much she spent on herself--she spent SIX times as much on herself and on building her own popularity, for her future aspirations, than she did on building  the party.  

This was the election that mattered for the country--even if it didn't mean very much for her Presidential run.  


by redheaded stranger on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:50:26 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I'm curious.  Where does the $5 million donation number come from?  Do you have a source for that number?


by vbdietz on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 11:11:54 AM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

I'm not defending Hillary. I actually hate doing it. But it seems like you first zero in on a conclusion you like and they gather your evidence.
I've gotta agree with you on this one.  The past month or two or three, Matt's posts have seemed like attacks on Democrats he doesn't like by scraping up a few pieces of evidence that might support his position, and ignoring the other evidence.  I hope this streak changes soon.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:43:46 PM EST
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Re: Seriously...... (none / 0)

Question for you -- you said that Hilary gave $5 million to other candidates.  Where does that figure come from?


by vbdietz on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:54:14 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

It may not be how Hillary works, but Bill has always been a tireless campaigner all over the country.


by Loreg on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:25:40 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (1.00 / 1)

Uh...I guess his map don't have CT on it. But then he'd have has to fight Joey the Liarmann and in case you didn't notice the 'Big Dog' is more of a 'Little Puppy' when it comes to standing up for anything much at all.

You disagree?

I got some words for ya:

NAFTA

Impeachment

Health-care

Don't ask...don't tell.

Yep, best Republican Preznint we ever had.

Except fer The Emancipator.


by Pericles on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:53:07 PM EST
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Sad reality (none / 0)

... is that there is only one candidate with the requisite political cajones to be President and that is Feingold. As I recall everyone else in the Senate disqualified themselves with a vote for the Patriot Act.

Its time to go hunting through the Democratic governors in smaller states like Kansas and North Carolina for the next big thing. Anyone notice that the governors of Kansas and North Carolina are pro-choice in blood red states? Also North Carolina's delegation is 7-5 in favor of Democrats. Could be 8-4 after a recount in NC-08. If were looking for someone for coattails, Mike Easley might have some.


by crazymoloch on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:34:44 PM EST

7-6 (3.00 / 1)

NC is 7-6 now, pending the outcome in Kissell's race.

We already have one NC politician running - John Edwards.  I don't expect Gov Easley to be on the ballot again, but I sure wouild like to see him take on Liddy Dole.


by Bear83 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:07:43 PM EST
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Re: Majority Leader of the Senate (none / 0)

Not long from now.  


by benny06 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:34:45 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

Hillary campaign heavily for Kirsten Gillibrand throught the election cycle.  I am not sure how much involvement she had with the other candidates, though I do know that she did some campaigning with Arcuri and Hall.

If someone is to blame for lack of state legislature pick-ups it is Spitzer.  It seems like Hillary did her job with the House candidates and it was Spitzers job to do more the state house candidates.


by chadconfetti on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:42:42 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 2)

Spitzer did campaign for some state senators but I agree that this is a real problem area in New York State. I wouldn't blame him but the entire current structure/arrangement.

In 2008 there needs to be concerted, gloves off, approach to removing the republicans from power in the Senate.

No more deals.


The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:15:42 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

Agreed.  We also have to work on candidate recruitment in some seats.  A lot of the stronger Ds want to go to the Assembly to be in the majority and are willing to wait.  


by John Mills on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 12:43:52 PM EST
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The forgotten (none / 0)

Here in the reddest of the red states, we held onto our two democratic seats even after the President flew down here and campaigned.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:50:41 PM EST

Ind 3=3 NY 3=0????? (3.00 / 1)

Why are Hill's 3 seats in NY worth a "no coattail" and "helps no one" and Bayh's 3 seats make Him the MAN....my niece goes to school in upstate NY and she said that the problem up there was that few locals on the ground knew HOW to get up signs or canvass effectively etc. and that Hillary's people were lent to local races and then had to hand feed ideas to people....it takes time to build up a good group of experienced people - thats WHY they are called experienced!!!!! WE FREAKIN' WON THIS TIME - BE HAPPY!!


by bostonbilly on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:53:45 PM EST

Re: Ind 3=3 NY 3=0????? (none / 0)

Well with groups like the NY DSCC refusing to give money out to local races its pretty clear that some of their $800,000+ could have been given to local state senate races (Keeler, etc) or local congressional races.

With the millions and millions Hill had and still has we have to put her under examinations just for that fact -- she still has millions of dollars that could have been used.

I'm not saying she could have or should have or whatever, but its just that she does still have the money.

-- MrMacMan


by MrMacMan on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:15:04 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 1)

This argument is a bit ridiculous. Bill Clinton showed up everywhere to campaign for Congressional candidates, and Hillary gave over $5 million dollars. Certainly she could have spent more of her warchest on other candidates, but doesn't the real question lie with the donors who gave her the money?


by Ozymandias on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:55:18 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

He didn't campaign at all in CT.  They let Shays get away.  All the Repubs and what not that came out for Liarman saved at least one R in CT.


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:04:19 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (3.00 / 2)

I don't know what happened in the State Senate. If you read Steve Gilliard's blog, it looks like there was some tacit deal where the WFP agreed not to aggressively challenge Republicans in exchange for support for some of the WFP's priorities (notably a minimum wage increase).

The only more Hillary could have done would have been to campaign harder against Reynolds or Walsh. I can't remember her schedule though. I think she campaigned against one but not the other.

Hillary also gave millions to the DSCC, and it's pretty clear the DSCC needed every penny they could get to win Virginia, and to a lesser extent Missouri and Montana (closer but cheaper).

It feels like a lot was left on the table, but everyone did their part.


by niq on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:58:17 PM EST

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At least Bill Clinton did a last-minute event for Maffei.


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by HellofaSandwich on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:14:09 PM EST
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Where the heck did she spend $29 million?

I live in NYC and I saw very few ads for Hillary.  Yes, she could have won easily with no ads at all, but she certainly didn't buy $29 million of airtime.  I feel like there must be more to the story.

As we've discussed in other threads, the State Senate is a pretty complex topic.  I think Spitzer will be a great reformer, but you can't take on everything at once.  I think we'll be okay.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 08:58:46 PM EST

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Get a grip. Hillary Clinton spent 5 million on other candidates. For a woman who in all likelihood is running for President to part with 5 million is considerable. She did what any smart politician in her position would do, spending disproportionately in order to secure the biggest win imaginable. The size of her New York victory has a direct corollary in how seriously people will take her incipent Presidential campaign. This is what George W. Bush pulled off in his Texas reelection in 1998, which layed out the groundwork for his capture of the Presidency in 2000. All this finger wagging is ridiculous. We just won control of the House and Senate for the first time since 1994. Why don't you spill some ink on what our Democratic agenda for moving the country forward should be and stop attacking Hillary Clinton? I swear, if you aren't lacerating fellow Democrats for not following in lock step with your ideological pronouncements I honestly have no idea what you would do with yourself.


by wjpugliese on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:00:13 PM EST

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Once again, the complete lack of understanding of NYS politics is incredible.  There is almost no local Democratic structure to support the three candidates who were close but lost.  As you move east in upstate NY, you get more local Democrats - and those three candidates were able to get over the hump.  When you learn that all these seats were drawn to be reliably Republican, taking 3 of 6 is a remarkable accomplishment.  Clinton deserves credit, Spitzer deserves credit, all six candidates deserve credit, and all NYS Democrats deserve credit.  Stop all the blame BS.


by Francis Vecellio on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:11:42 PM EST

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When you get into NY-29 there was practically no Dem parties to invite Massa to campaign. The real Democratic party structure in that district is what Massa built. To come so close is really amazing. It took a great candidate, great organization, and lots of financial support. I hope the structure remains in place.  

Running great candidates is what it takes. For the gerrymandered State Senate, there were a lot of sacrificial lambs running on the D line. In some districts where Dems won for congress, there wasn't even a Democratic candidate for State Senate. It is going to take an awful lot of development work to get even close in the State Senate.


by De Re Rustica on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:47:03 PM EST
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While Senator Clinton probably could have spread the wealth more, I can't help but think that this post is more motivated by her not helping Ned Lamont more than anything she may or may not have done in New York.


by jmstarnes on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:12:28 PM EST

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I won't deny some of us will be working overtime to beat Hillary(I am not speaking for Matt or other MYDD admins) because Bill's backstabbing of Lamont on tv was the final straw for some of us.
So maybe you should consider our hatred as a factor how riled up Hillary gets people on both the left and right. She can't win by just winning the black women , AIPAC votes and the moderates.

DOn't let 2000 repeat.

Also unless Hillary improves her speaking skills, she will be subject to some of the same ridicule Kerry had to go through for his bad speaking style.


by Pravin on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:52:14 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton should not be president for one simple reason:  she is an immediate family member of another President.  Allowing members of a previous President's immediate family to become president within, oh, say 25 years of their relative's term is fundamentally unhealthy for a republic.  I call everyone's attention to the historical experiences of the Venetian and Florentine Republics.

I realize that this rule deprives us of Hillary's clear intelligence.  It all would have spared us W.

I cannot and will not support Hillary for this reason alone.  The health of the Republic is far more important than party.

BC


by billcoop4 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:22:36 PM EST

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Not only have you excluded FDR but you've also excluded John Quincy Adams, who was an amazing advocate for individual rights.  There's no need for a blanket rule; the voters, who are sometimes wrong, can make a decision like this.


by auronrenouille on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:44:46 PM EST
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FDR and TR were not in immediate family.  And, as the following post suggests, you should do your math.

OK, I'll amend the number:  23 years.  That keeps Adams fils in the game.

Do you want people power, or power concentrated in a few hands?  Make up your mind.

BC


by billcoop4 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:01:58 PM EST
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I wont hold it agianst someone if they are a relative of a recent President. But if you are going to do that, that person better be a CLEARLY better choice than the rest of the field. 28 years of two families (father son, husband and wife) is just PATHETIC for a vibrant democracy. One reason is to not encourage lazy picking of heirs. Another reason is that is simply not healthy for very families to be in control of two major parties becaue of the reduction in access to a variety of opinions that circulate at the top.

No Jeb Bush. No Hillary please.
TWENTY EIGHT FREAKING YEARS OF TWO FAMILIES not counting the EIGHT MORE YEARS Bush Sr. was the VP.

DOn't you guys want to think outside the box a little? Let's not go for the lazy choices. Only freaking reason Hillary has gotten so much press is she is Bill's wife. THere are quite a few other accomplished politicians. She is no Eleanor Roosevelt who exceeded her husband in areas like social justice.


by Pravin on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:47:40 PM EST
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And it sets a bad example for the bananaa republics when we behave like a banana republic. Like Togo, where the President-for-Life died -- oops! -- and his son vaulted over the Constitutional line of succession to become the new President. He sort of looks like a blackskinned Jeb, too. Well, sorta. Not saying there's any genetic basis for any comparison. ;-)


by Woody on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 11:03:48 PM EST
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You've excluded FDR (none / 0)

1932-1908=24years.


by stevehigh on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:31:11 PM EST

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i think ken mehlmann just resigned because someone found out that he is gay and they were threatening to leak the story.

wow, what a wierd party the GOP was under the bush republicans. they didn't get anything done except to eff things up .

is kennie going to be a butcher now? I heard theres a great opening in a kroger in scranton


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:44:53 PM EST

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It's not a new story.  It's been going around for some time.  Bill Maher made a mention of it Wed. night on Larry King though, which is why it is a hot topic now.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:07:34 AM EST
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I think Ken Mehlman resigned because his party got slaughtered in the election, personally.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:47:22 AM EST
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I think we're assuming a lot when we think Hillary should have had coattails or gotten a blue wave going in NY etc. Still this statement here sums up the problem with her candidacy:

at the end of the day, despite all the money raised and all the campaigns she did events for, her name on the ticket in New York state helped no one but herself.

If she runs, it will be about her, about Oprah-esque navel-gazing and not about policy. This is the absolute wrong time to conduct a candidacy on the basis of personality--bad for the country, bad for our values. I thkink she has a bet than 50-50 chance of winning, but she will need to work overtime to make the campaign about something other than press titillation about her "unique" story angle. Worse, I'm convinced she actually would like that state of affairs.


by KevStar on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:44:54 PM EST

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One knew all wanted about Hillary is her conduct in 2004. She did not do much to try to win the 2004 election for the democrats despite the fact that it was one of the most important elections in the last 20 years. She put herself above the party and the country.

Not to mention she put herself above the country when she refused to say anything bad about the Iraq war until it was too late and even then she offers not a tinge of regret.

She was a very good first lady and was such an asset to the country compared to a stepford mom like Laura Bush. As a senator, she seems to be doing pretty good in the routine day to day work and leading the fight for increasing the min wage and I hear she wants to reform the consultants problem the Dems have.

BUt as a LEADER, she has not done enough to deserve our consideration for the President of the United States. And it all goes back to 2004 where she seemed more concerned with positioning herself for 2008 than doing her best to oust Bush.


by Pravin on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:41:48 PM EST

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Reform the consultant mess?  What will her friends at the DLC do?


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:08:54 AM EST
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Wes Clark in 2008 ! (none / 0)

Wes Clark in 2008 because he's the ONLY top flight Dem that can effectively compete and win in ALL 50 states !

No other Dem can do so as effectively....and WIN !


by km4 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:48:23 PM EST

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This is positively creepy, to spend this much money against a no-name opponent in a race that was a lock since the day it was announced.

Does she really think that deluging NY State and parts of the surrounding states with this much advertising and campaign expenditures is the best way to secure her nomination and the presidency and the best use of this money? Or is she so massively and psychotically insecure that she felt the need to eliminate even the slightest shred of doubt as to her reelection chances?

I mean, this sort of behavior is pretty much along the same psychiatric lines as a deranged girlfriend (or boyfriend) calling his/her girlfriend/boyfriend every 5 minutes all day long to make sure that they still love them. The woman is NUTS!!!

And selfish, given how little time or effort she expended helping other Dems get elected at the local, state or national level. Holy Joe might have appreciated this, but we're never going to forget what she did to Lamont--or Kerry.

Given this, the whole flag burning and video game thing, voting for the war and still never saying that she regrets it, and Bill's suck-up to the Bushes, I'm beginning to suspect that maybe, just maybe, some of those right-wing Clinton haters from the 90's just might have been onto something after all...


by kovie on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:08:10 PM EST

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Hold on, Matt, I'm an upstate blogger and I have no love for Hillary.  But let's think about what you just wrote "we picked up just three House seats and one state Senate seat." Just? three House Seats?  Out of nine Republican House seats in the whole state?  That's pretty good, if you ask me.

The people from NY-29 I've talked to said Hillary could have helped more.  But Bill came in the day before the election and that's certainly a start.

As for the State Senate, that's Spitzer's responsibility, not hers.

Make no mistake -- Hillary could have done more.  But let's be realistic.


by Pogues Fan on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:19:02 PM EST

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What the fuck do you want her to do? Wave a magic wand and make Dems. win everywhere in NY? She gave a $1 million to the NY party, that's more than enough.


by bsavage on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:25:36 PM EST

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Linky?

I'm not expecting a sweet like i never saw the NY-26 as competitive with dead guy Davis running the campaign.

I'm just saying that HillPAC is massive and the NY State DSCC (if thats what your talking about, and i don't think it is what your talking about) didn't touch their funds.

-- MrMacMan


by MrMacMan on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:30:13 AM EST
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I cannot and will never be able to understand why she spent all that money on an unopposed, basically, campaign.  Let's face it, this shows her to be essentially impractical and foolish.
She does a good job in the Senate but, as president,I do not want her.  I just cannot see us electing someone who cannot speak publicly.  I have yet to find her an inspiring speaker.  Or even one to stay awake thru.
No, speaking is not all but, to know what a person stands for and how they will govern, it's important to be able to at least listen and not nod off.
There are others much better for democratic nominee like Edwards.  Use to be Warner.  I find Edwards a great choice as well as others.
by vwcat on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 11:32:32 PM EST

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I'm sorry Ned Lamont lost too, Matt. But you're going to have to get over it.


by Epitome22 on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 12:29:17 AM EST

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The Schumer types have shown that politics can be dirty. If we do not threaten them with consequences for negative actions, then guess what, they will continue to do them. Laura Swarz has said it on tv what the other Clintonites were thinking "where are liberals going to go anyway? There is no need to pay attention to them"(I am paraphrasing, ofcourse. but those were pretty much her words, i kid you not).

If they know we have long memories, and we are capable of hitting back, maybe it will discourage them from waiting until election time for doing the right things.

If Webb pissed off the base, all it would have taken was 10,000 votes for him to lose that election. Tester could have lost this if 5000 people from the base stayed home.


by Pravin on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 01:05:15 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton's Coattail Problem (none / 0)

I don't think this is a phenomenon specifically connected with Hillary. We have had the same problem in Connecticut, as you know.

In the bluest states, it was the hardest to kick out the conservatives.


G
by lemonyellow on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 08:04:53 AM EST

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She was a very good first lady and was such an asset to the country compared to a stepford mom like Laura Bush. As a senator, she seems to be doing pretty good in the routine day to day work and leading the fight for increasing the min wage and I hear she wants to reform the consultants problem the Dems have.

I keep wanting to like her again, and then she:

1. co-sponsors an abridgement of 1st amendment rights just to look "bipartisan" or something (this is the Flag Burning deal)

2. refuses to debate Jonathan Tasini before the primary

3. waffles about maybe sometimes some torture could be okay

4.  ...i forget what progressive-stabbing remark she made last week...

Credit where credit is due:

I'm out of state right now, but my friends in Sch'dy saw her speaking (supporting energy policy change, good), prob'ly on her way up to campaign for Gillibrand.  

But for president?  No support from me.  I was tempted to vote Hawkins, as well, but didn't.  

Feingold, yes, Clark, yes...  or how about a Woolsey-Olbermann ticket?


by Lyrebird on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 09:21:59 AM EST

Just how does one prove a coat tail effect anyway? (none / 0)

Did Hillary's % of the vote increase but the % of "lesser" Democratic candidate NOT increase in ANY State Senate or US House district? And if so, might that State Sen. candidate or House candidate not have been good, and nothing Hillary did could have helped? I honestly don't know. Those aren't rhetorical questions!

*Just what IS a coat tail effect? Is it something verifiable?* (It always strikes me as a pretty damn nebulous and thus potentially unhelpful concept, frankly. But I might just be slow.)

I'm assuming it's described as a phenomenon that's grounded in subjective perception mostly. Maybe not. Is it more or less: When candidates "lower" on the ballot are presumed to be benefiting in the number of votes cast for them in light of an increase in the number (or percentage?) of votes in a re-election of a major candidate "higher" on the ballot (and of the same party, obviously) over that major candidate's previous effort.


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by IseFire on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 09:39:37 AM EST

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Hillary is the candidates that the Republican pundits long for us to run.  That should be enough for us:  They also longed for John Kerry or Howard Dean as candidate.  Their internal polls in 2004 said John Edwards or Wes Clark would be the most formidable opponents, which is why I supported both of them.  I still do.  We in the netroots need to defy the CW and push for populist patriots like Edwards and Clark.
Forget Hillary: no one will vote for her because she's a woman, and millions will simply not vote Democratic if she's the candidate.  Hopefully she'll figure this out sooner rather than later (ditto Kerry!)
by lauren on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:36:26 AM EST

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I can't believe that she spent that much money on her re-election.  She probably could have won handily just by getting free TV time on local news all over the state.  


by LionelEHutz on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:49:24 AM EST

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Hey, Matt. I read you every day and I'll see you at Yearly Kos, but take it easy!  I like Hillary, but I do think that she needs take a strong stand against the Iraq war or be a major player in fixing it. She's brilliant and a hard worker.  I suspect that the money she spent was money she will not need to spend in an 08 run, and she will be able to focus on other parts of the country.

The fact that she has worldwide respect is no small issue for us.  GO HILLARY!

Terry Olson


by USAagain on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 11:52:04 AM EST

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Matt, I've admired your energy, dedication, sincerity, and integrity.

But you are WAY off base here.  

Hillary spread a LOT of money, goodwill, starpower, and positive energy in a lot of NY races.  There were NINE GOP seats in play; we win 3 of them, based on grassroots and local hard work, in upstate districts where people turn and spit when they hear Hillary's name.

Come on, Matt.  Be fair.  You have been carrying a HUGE carpetbag full of resentment against her for awhile now, admit it.  You're biased.

I realize Lamont could have used more of everything from a lot of people in the DNC and DLC, but we have to accept the fact that the GOP turned out its awesome fundraising machine and spent BIG TIME for the Lieberpunk.  They stabbed what could have been a solid candidate for them (based on his debate performance) in the back to help the Lieberpunk.

It would have taken a candidate with a lot more spunk, verve, and cojones than Lamont to beat the GOP-Lieberpunk machine in CT this cycle.

Let's focus on how we will take them down in 2012, not how we tear down, kill, and eat our own best and brightest because they weren't dead solid perfect.


by dembluestates on Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 12:37:37 PM EST

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There is no basis for criticizing Senator Clinton. Her generosity was overwhelming. Of course she is planning a run for the Presidency. If she were an idiot, she would have run a bargain campaign; given MOST of her money away; and ended up without the massive database she now has.  And she would not achieve her goal to be President.  Below, you can read an outline of her contributions to helping the Democratic Party win the House and the Senate. Instead of ripping her apart, how about thanking her?  Does anyone in these blogs ever thank Senator Clinton?  

Hillary contributed $3.3 million in direct contributions to help elect Democrats.

She gave $2.35 million from her own campaign committee to the Democratic Senate and Congressional Campaign committees.

She contributed $650,000 in direct contributions to candidates from HILLPAC.

She raised more than $21 million for 145 Democrats in 39 states.

While campaigning for her own reelection, Hillary headlined 131 events in 57 cities on behalf of other Democrats.

Her extensive New York get-out-the-vote campaign with regional staff, mail, and telephone calls helped Democrats in targeted races, including three newly-elected Democratic members of Congress who replaced Republicans: Michael Arcuri, Kirsten Gillibrand and John Hall.

Her GOTV program also helped effect historic change in state and county legislatures in New York.

Hillary contributed and raised $550,000 for the New York Democratic Party, and made $96,000 in direct contributions to New York candidates through HILLPAC-NY.

She headlined events raising another $600,000 for New York candidates. She made 45 appearances with state candidates, recorded robo-calls for them, and sent emails and letters of support.


by marycontrary on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 06:17:42 AM EST

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LINK FOR THE ABOVE POST


by marycontrary on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 06:20:26 AM EST

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Senator Clinton's "Heroes At Home Initiative"

Washington, DC - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton announced that the DoD Authorization conference report finalized today includes major elements of Senator Clinton's Heroes at Home initiative aimed at enhancing support and services for U.S. troops transitioning back home after deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan. Senator Clinton's amendment will assist military service members of Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) and Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) with readjustment to work, the problems of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and other mental health issues, and traumatic brain injury (TBI). The initiative, which is supported by the National Military Family Association and the Wounded Warrior Project, also provides support to their family members. The DoD Appropriations bill included $3 million to provide initial funding for Heroes at Home.

"With this legislation, the hundreds of thousands of troops who have rotated through Iraq and Afghanistan, including thousands of courageous men and women from New York, will have better access to the support they need as they transition home. Once this bill is signed by the President, it is my hope that the increasing numbers of military service members surviving these conflicts will receive the necessary readjustment support," Senator Clinton said. "Many service members face readjustment challenges after war, such as medical, mental health, relationship, and work problems. Family members also are affected by the transition as they struggle to reconnect with their war heroes, some who may be deployed two, three, if not more times."

Heroes at Home centers around Department of Defense (DOD) and Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) partnerships with employers and community organizations in acknowledgement of the fact that despite more services and resources being offered at DOD facilities, VA hospitals, and Vet Centers, returning service members are often still reluctant to go to traditional mental health clinics owing to stigma and concerns about confidentiality and their military careers. Only 29% of the approximately 500,000 separated OIF and OEF veterans have sought VA health care services, including mental health services. Last month, a GAO report found that only 22% of OIF and OEF service members who may have been at risk for developing PTSD based on post deployment screenings were referred for further mental health evaluations. In another report from May 2005, the GAO identified that, despite DOD efforts, the needs of demobilizing Reserve and National Guard members for transition assistance were still unmet.

Specifically, the Senator's amendment requires the Secretary of Defense to establish a special working group, partnering representatives from the public and private sectors to identify the needs of returning National Guard and Reserve members in their transition to civilian jobs after deployment, including members who have been injured while serving, and to develop recommendations on ways to improve assistance to them. Also, under the amendment, the existing Department of Defense (DOD) Task Force on Mental Health is charged with assessing mental health conditions, including PTSD, occurring service members, including the National Guard and Reserves, undergoing multiple deployments and with making recommendations for improving mental health services for them.

The amendment also calls for a study on the long-term physical and mental health consequences and rehabilitation needs of traumatic brain injured service members. To further assist the mushrooming number of traumatic brain injured service members and their families, this amendment also establishes a TBI Family Caregiver Training Curricula for health professionals at DOD and VA hospitals, who would use the curricula to teach family members important skills for caring for their loved ones suffering from TBI when they go home.

According to a March 2006 study, 19% of Iraq veterans and 11% of Afghanistan veterans reported mental health problems. Among the OIF and OEF veterans seeking care at VA hospitals, nearly a third have been diagnosed with mental disorders, with over 40% of those PTSD. Another report found that 10% to 30% of National Guard members come home from Iraq searching for work. Others return to civilian jobs dissatisfied with old tasks that pale in comparison to wartime responsibilities. In addition to these challenges, a large number of service members are coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan with life-threatening brain injuries from roadside blasts that can cause brain damage. It is estimated that TBI affects more than 25% of bomb blast survivors - a percentage thought to be higher than in any other past US conflict, making TBI the "signature" injury of Iraq. The diffuse but debilitating symptoms of TBI can leave service members with cognitive and emotional problems, including the inability to adapt to civilian life. However, TBI frequently goes undiagnosed because returning troops may not realize they suffered a concussion or may not show visible signs of injury.

Senator Clinton is committed to helping our troops when they return from active duty. She is an original co-sponsor of the Healing Invisible Wounds Act that protects PTSD compensation, enhances counseling and readjustment services available to National Guard and Reserve members returning from combat, and authorizes additional funding for Vet Centers. Earlier this year, Senator Clinton joined with the NASD Foundation, members of the armed services and members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to launch a new campaign to deliver financial education tools and training to members of the military and their spouses. She also authored legislation with Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) that requires the Department of Defense to provide consumer education for members of the armed forces and their spouses. In addition, the House and Senate have approved legislation she introduced with Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) to protect military personnel against individuals using deceitful practices to sell financial products. This legislation is headed to the President's desk to be signed into law.


by marycontrary on Thu Nov 23, 2006 at 03:19:27 AM EST


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