Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme

One of the memes shared by both the conservative blogosphere and the establishment type Democrats is that Tuesday's midterms somehow proved that the progressive blogosphere, the Netroots, is largely impotent and unable to seriously affect the electoral process (or at least sway elections in the Democrats' favor). This article originally from The Nation sums up a number of these items, specifically focusing on Joe Lieberman's victory over Netroots favorite Ned Lamont.

But a more interesting and indeed deep look at election day comes from The Hill's Aaron Blake, who examines how Democratic candidates who had been opposed in primaries by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee faired on election day.

In another sign of just how high the Democratic tide was on Election Day, four candidates whose primary opponents were supported by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) went on to win anyway.

A fifth could join them if Democrat Larry Kissell defeats Rep. Robin Hayes (R) in a yet-undecided race in North Carolina's 8th District.

Democrats John Yarmuth in Kentucky, Zack Space in Ohio, Jerry McNerney in California and Carol Shea-Porter in New Hampshire were all seen as less attractive options in tough districts early on. But Space and McNerney won thanks to corruption issues dogging Reps. Bob Ney (R-Ohio) and Richard Pombo (R-Calif.), while liberals Yarmuth and Shea-Porter appeared to benefit big from the national environment.

The National Republican Congressional Committee had sent out releases chiding its counterpart for failing to get its preferred candidates in those races.

The DCCC has said it was neutral in the Yarmuth and Space races, but DCCC leaders met with Yarmuth's opponent and DCCC chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) gave $7,500 to Space's opponent.

The DCCC also endorsed McNerney's and Shea-Porter's primary opponents.

It's important to also note that Tammy Duckworth, Ken Lucas and Lois Murphy, the top three receipients of independent expenditures from the DCCC, all lost on election day. Duckworth's race is of particular note because the close to $3.2 million in IEs the DCCC appropriated on her behalf moved the yarstick in the district by five points from 2004 at a time when the Democratic share of the national popular vote for the House by significantly more than that.

My point isn't necessarily to bash the DCCC. I'm ecstatic about Tuesday's outcome. But for all of the Beltway types who are going to great lengths to needlessly trash the Netroots out of fear that their power will be challenged by this relatively-new bottom up grassroots movement let's just remember that the track record of the establishment wasn't as uniformly positive as they might have us think -- and nor was the Netroots' as uniformly negative, either.

More (Chris): I don't mean to jump on the bottom of every post Jonathan makes, but I wanted to point out that the winning percentage in the general election for grassroots and movement candidates who defeated party-backed candidates in the primary appears to be very high. Assuming Larry Kissell wins, did we go five for five in the House once our candidates got out of the primary? Did any grassroots and movement candidates lose in the House once they got out of the primary? Makes you wonder how Christine Cegalis would have done in IL-06.



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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

The lesson is... listen to the netroots. We are not idiots or idealistic fools.

How hard is that?


by MNPundit on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:16:54 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

The lesson is that the grassroots/netroots need to get out in front EARLY and help truly independent and progressive candidates get their campaigns going before the DC establishment corporate candidate comes swinging with the big bucks.

From my own limited vantage point McNerney, Tester and Webb are good success case studies. Duckworth vs Cegelis is a failure case study.


by ab initio on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:07:29 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

Another factor about Duckworth--she was in a district adjoining Emmanuel's district, so he would naturally be more interested in that seat than one way off in CA.  

I agree the takeaway for the netroots is to identify good targets and candidates early.  May I also suggest for the millionth time that you either add some women to your panel or be a little more attentive to women candidates and not just pick cowboys and ex-military.  Angie Paccione always had a better chance than Jay Fawcett, and could have used the boost.  Vic Wulsin and Mary Jo Kilroy might have gone over the top with more money.

John Doolittle won by only 3%.  He's a good target, and some of those ethically challenged SoCal Reps.    


by Mimikatz on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:49:28 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

There's enough going both ways from what I've seen the past couple of days. One thing we need to do is squash the beef. They think we're nuts and we call them sellouts, which is all good if we can find a way to work together and elect candidates consistently.


by Gandalf Mantooth on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:17:07 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

provide the links to the attachs from the blog on by major bloggers such as Bowers or Kos- thx.


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:22:36 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

Neither one will win alone.  We all need to work together.


by jasmine on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:19:28 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

which side isn't trying to work with the other side? its easy to say what you are saying, but cooperation is a two way street


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:23:29 PM EST
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Cooperation (none / 0)

Exactly.  I've seen too much from the DCCC reps that makes me think their idea of cooperation closely mirrors Bush's idea of bipartisanship.


It's far better to uphold the Constitution and burn the flag than it is to hold up the flag and burn the Constitution.
by beemer on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:00:25 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

There's no way the netroots can be accused of not wanting to work together with the DCCC.  The last two weeks of the campaign, we organized (tens of?) thousands online to call their safe (D) congressmen to have them contribute to the DCCC.  Sure, we criticize their tactics, but it's only because we want them to be better and more successful.


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 06:41:29 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (3.00 / 1)

Candidates won in-spite of Rahm Emanuel. He is a fool and demanded to micro-manage -- the worst possible combination.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:20:37 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (3.00 / 3)

Here in the Philly burbs, it's pretty striking.  Joe Sestak and Patrick Murphy, whom both were netroots candidates ended up winning races that looked unlikely.  Meanwhile, Lois Murphy, the most establishy establishment Democrat the establishment could find, went down in flames... again.


by Chesco Dem on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:23:43 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

Yes it was pretty obvious the Lois Murphy campaign was managed by DC people who refused to listen to any local advice. And look what happened. Arrrrgggghhh!!!


by pablue on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:16:16 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (3.00 / 1)

My beef with the DCCC (and the DLC), is that they try to influence the state level Democrats who they should select as candidates.  In the case of MT senator and NH congressional races, the people overruled them and elected Tester and Shea-Porter in spite of the unwarranted interference.  I only hope Tester and Shea-Porter when they get in office will try and break them from "sucking eggs".  Sorry for the expression of a farm raised Democrat.


by lobo charlie on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:27:59 PM EST

Netroots are missing something (none / 0)

I have commented about this a couple times now, but I am not taking the hint.  I am going to keep bringing it up.  Its Murtha.  He is completely and absolutely right on the war.  BUT he is wrong on many other issues - to name a few: choice, the environment, gay rights.  I think it is a mistake for the netroots to back him for leader.  His voting record is conservative!  If it weren't for his position on the war, he is EXACTLY the kind of Dem people here would be clamoring to primary.  


by jesusquintana on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:29:28 PM EST

Re: Netroots are missing something (none / 0)

Isn't Steny Hoyer conservative too.


by del on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:39:43 PM EST
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Re: Netroots are missing something (none / 0)

Yes - but his record is not as DINO as Murtha's.  


by jesusquintana on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:40:37 PM EST
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And Murtha's plan (none / 0)

I'm not too crazy about Murtha's plan, either, "redeploying" the troops to bases around Iraq.


by Rowena on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:48:16 PM EST
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ReNeither one can exist alone if want majority (2.00 / 2)

Both sides better recognize quickly that it needs each other whether they like it or not.

If you want Democrats to remain strong & in the majority,you will have to learn to co-exists effectively.

Just like progressive & Moderate/centrist democrats will have to learn to co-exist effectively if they want to keep the majority for years to come.

One won't fly & soar without the other.

That's a reality. Bashing Rahm Emmanuel may make you feel good, but it's not going to do anyone any good. Unless one is a republican.

This election just showcased the " Big Tent" among Democrats. We actually had Pro-Gun & Pro-Life Democrats who ran & won. While Harold Ford, also being Pro-Gun & Pro-Life did a superb job against long odds as an African-American running in TN for statewide office.

Today's chaos in the GOP is a result of only One Ideology dictating to the party.


by labanman on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:32:57 PM EST

Re: ReNeither one can exist alone if want majority (3.00 / 1)

I have to say that this is the dumbest thing I've heard all day. People aren't bashing Rahm to feel good, but because he royally fucked up. He didn't do his job. We lost seats we should have won.

The best thing for Democrats is for us to do the exact opposite of whatever Emanuel suggests.

Really, your comment pissed me off because there is zero value in finding the halfway point between progress and stoopid.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:43:09 PM EST
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Re: ReNeither one can exist alone if want majority (none / 0)

OK, out of the 62 candidates the DCCC identified as Red To Blue people, 27 of them won.

These include many people the DCCC recruited and supported out of the gate...Shuler, Klein, Ellsworth, Hill, Mitchell, Courtney, Chris Murphy.

Yes, we lost seats we should have won. We also won some we should have lost (KS-02, NH-01). Part of that is because Republicans didn't throw money into those races as they had to spend elsewhere.

Your comment is ludicrous.


by brownsox on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:28:41 PM EST
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Re: ReNeither one can exist alone if want majority (3.00 / 1)

I think the point can be made that both sides did pretty well. The problem is that Rahmn isn't interested in sharing.


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:32:36 PM EST
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Re: ReNeither one can exist alone if want majority (none / 0)

That's fair.

My problem with the above poster is that he was making the argument that Rahm has this reverse Midas touch where everything he touches turns to shit.

That is obviously not true, although the $3 million to Duckworth was monumentally stupid.  


by brownsox on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:47:24 PM EST
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Re: ReNeither one can exist alone if want majority (none / 0)

i agree with that- but it needs to be made clear to rahm and co that i am giving what little money i make to them for them to make the best choice for the party, not the best choice for their ego or careers. when i read these little fights- i think to myself as a rank and file voter who just happens to like blogs- wait? do they not care that we are all in this together? chris has shown that he gets that we are. he gave rahm (or someone here did) props for helping with the use or lose campaign, but here it seems rahm wants all the credit, and no blame, and i suspect the above poster overreacted to the feeling that even with success the netroots are being treated like the ugly step sister


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:44:36 PM EST
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Step One (3.00 / 1)

Step one would be, sttop calling him everything but a motherfucker. Then he might have more interest in sharing.

The attacks on Rahm are excessive, personal and over-the-top.

To anticipate the obvious response, it would be nice if he would stop acting like a motherfucker, esp. to the Democratic Party chairman, but let us take the first step toward civility.

I admire Rahm and his achievement, and I hope he will be man enough apologize to Dean, who has already repeatedly praised him.

It is imperative that we get our shit together no later than Dec 1.


by stevehigh on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:53:34 PM EST
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Re: Step One (none / 0)

step one would be for him to take his ego out of it. without him doing that- there is nothing much that can be done. that's the reality of life and why the cliche is true- it takes two to tango. what you are suggesting is that it is somehow one.


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 06:13:21 PM EST
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The world is burning up (none / 0)

Finger-pointing on either side--and surely you must see plenty of it on this board--is childish and dangerous.


by stevehigh on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 06:19:06 PM EST
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Re: The world is burning up (none / 0)

What I see is that there is a lot of refusal by some to admit this is politics. Bowers was actually pretty balanced in what he wrote. One person accuses him of being anti Duckworth (sp?) for questioning the allocation of 3 million dollars to her. You and others have claimed that he is being 'childish' for pointing out that Rahm is playing politics with the win. I can't take you seriously so long as you pretend that the sides are equal in this discussion.


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 06:39:19 PM EST
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You just hear what you want to hear, don't you? (none / 0)

Rahm has been a horse's ass, and I have said so. His petulance is childish, and I have said so. Bowers' points are well-taken, and I said so. Stoller's day-after attack on him was in many respects well-taken, and I said so.

If you wish to take something seriously, take this seriously:

The world is getting dangerously hotter. The GOP will not act, and to this extent, the fate of the world depends upon Democrats' getting along.

Failure to do so, on your part or mine, is childish and dangerous.


by stevehigh on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 06:53:12 PM EST
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Re: You just hear what you want (none / 0)

again, the part you keep missing- it takes two to tango. this isn't a matter of childishness- its a matter of a very mature realization that you can only do so much if someone is determined to be at crosshairs with you. as per the use it or lose it program- i see nothing about bowers, stoller or kos that suggest that any of the major bloggers are acting childish. i see them repeatedly trying despite the resistance they face to make the party, and the country better. i think, on a personal note, your comments do them a disservice


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 07:14:54 PM EST
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My reference was to the board collectively (none / 0)

I wouldn't be here if I didn't have great respect for the people who run this site. I am suggesting, however, that we police ourselves somewhat, esp. after the pent-up emotions from the campaigns have been discharged.

"Childish" may well have been a poor choice of words; I meant spite, pettiness and vindicativeness, which, come to think of it, ripen and mellow with age, like fine wines and old cheese.

Of course it takes two to make either war or peace; I don't believe I've missed that point.

You make peace with enemies, however, not with friends, and the stakes are simply too high to stop trying. When the dust settles, I think it will be clear that where the cooperation was greatest, there is where we won, and that where the feelings were bitterest, that is where we lost.

We cannot afford to lose in 2008. We cannot control what other Democrats say about us, but we can control what we say about them. We do not need to avoid  fair criticism, but name-calling and denunciation are not productive.

I am as guilty of this as anyone, by the way, and if I had a dollar for every time I called Joe Lieberman a putz I'd be able to recoup the cost of my campaign contributions. From here on out, he's Gentleman Joe in my book, as long as he votes for Harry Reid.


by stevehigh on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:25:45 PM EST
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Re: My reference was to the board collectively (none / 0)

i disagree and i am moving on. good luck.


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 09:52:59 PM EST
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Cegalis in '08 (none / 0)

She should announce now and start running.  Let's get another ActBlue page for her up and running, to nudge her along.


by Arthurkc on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:39:55 PM EST

Re: Cegalis in '08 (none / 0)

Or better yet, focus on IL-05.


- John McCain
by Bob Brigham on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:44:31 PM EST
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Re: Cegalis in '08 (none / 0)

Did Duckworth reach out to the Ceagelis grassroots?


by jasmine on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:44:38 PM EST
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Re: Cegalis in '08 (none / 0)

Lots of bitterness there, between Cegelis and Duckworth.  The hard-core Cegelis grass roots, in my experience, wanted nothing to do with Duckworth.  Some people who volunteered for Cegelis ended up helping Tammy, based on the idea that Tammy was still better than Roskam.  

There is a lot of bitterness there, though.


by JJCPA on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:18:29 PM EST
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No wonder we lost (none / 0)

Primary fights are bad.


by stevehigh on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:54:25 PM EST
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Too early to make a claim for gains in IL06 (2.00 / 2)

Once DuPage and Cook Counties post the final returns by township, a better analysis can be made.

I have seen posted elsewhere the claim that Duckworth actually received fewer votes than Cegelis received against Henry Hyde in 2004.

From the vote tallies by county, Duckworth won in the Cook County townships, but lost in the DuPage County townships.

The Democratic loss might be attributed to the fact that the Cook County Machine was busy elsewhere with the Stroger/Peraica Cook County Board President debacle.  Just speculating, of course.


by pascal1947 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:40:55 PM EST

Re: Too early to make a claim for gains in IL06 (none / 0)

I just want to make a point about Illinois. The DCCC torpedoed the Cegelis campaign for Duckworth who won a squeaker in the primary and then dumped $5 million into a race we lost.
In IL-10, Dan Seals got one mailing (no cash or tv ads) on behalf of the DCCC and late appearances by Senators Obama and Durbin , and still managed 47%.
IN IL-11, John Pavich was absolutely ignored by the party, didnt get any money, any appearances for fundraisers or late campaing rallies, NOTHING, and still managed 45%.
I'll fess up: I'm bais. I worked for John Pavich over the summer but I think my point is still valid here. If we had dumped $3 million into Seals's race, we would have won, and if we taken the other $2 million into Pavich's race, it'd have been damn close. Hopefully these are the top targest for the Illinois Dem. Party in '08.
Finally, remember that these seats really can be put in play next time. If Obama is the Dem. nominee for Pres, and with Durbin running again, there is strength atop the ticket (as opposed to having Blagojevich leading the way). Seals would do well again with real party support, and rumors abound in IL-11 that Congressmen Weller is leaning towards retirement.
by AC4508 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:51:20 PM EST
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Re: Too early to make a claim for gains in IL06 (none / 0)

Linda Stender (NJ-07) could have used some of that money.  She came in 1.7% behind the incumbent, Ferguson.  In 2004, the pro war Iraq vet Democrat who ran got 42% vs. 58% for Ferguson.  


by Rowena on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:53:21 PM EST
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Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (none / 0)

She was heavily pushed by Atrios, at least, and almost always mentioned in the same breath as Patrick Murphy.


by sxp151 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:51:50 PM EST

Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (none / 0)

And I was very, very sad when she lost. I like Lois a lot. I hae no intention of hiding that, or thorwing her under the bus.
by Chris Bowers on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:55:30 PM EST
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Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (3.00 / 1)

I haven't had a chance to look at the specific numbers within the county, but it looks like Berks again was the difference maker in PA-6. I think Gerlach actually increased his margin there. I heard there was a lack of a Democratic ground game in the county because Holden and Pitts were clear winners.

To be honest, I think if Wofford was on the ballot this year he could have won in Berks. It appeared too easy for Gerlach to brand Lois as too liberal for Berks.


by Matt42 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:39:12 PM EST
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Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (none / 0)

The 6th is just tough. The registration is heavily Republican and it was drawn that way specifically for Jim Gerlach. While ChesCo is turning more Democratic, it's still not come as far as the other 3 Philadelphia suburban ring counties and Berks is definately not there yet. The 6th voters know Gerlach from his days as a state legislator where he was a moderate/centrist. That's what's has helped him as well as his record an environmentalist which is very much in tune with the majority of voters in the 6th.

The situation is a lot like the one with Dent in the 15th.

Also, the Republicans poured a LOT of money into this race. Just from my obervation of ads I saw on TV, the Rs must have run 3 to every 1 she ran.

The other thing to think about is kind of Rendell's reverse coattails because he drew out Republicans who wanted to vote for him, but also
then split their ticket to vote for Gerlach.

In another cycle or two, Dems will get this seat, but I suspect it will always be a true swing district.


by phillydem on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:41:45 PM EST
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Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (3.00 / 2)

I think Lois is a great person as well. But having seen her speak in public numerous times, I don't believe that she is that great of a candidate. I thought losing in 2004 by such a slim margin in a bad year for us would bode well for her this year. Yet she lost again by a slim margin in an awful year for the PA GOP on the federal and statewide level.

It's time to recruit a new candidate in PA-06, otherwise I have to believe that Gerlach will become entrenched.


by PsiFighter37 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:53:29 PM EST
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Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (none / 0)

I agree with you 100%. Got anybody in mind?

My biggest fear is that he will become the mirror Tim Holden. Holden is entrenched in his district by playing his union/liberal economic votes with his socially conservative record, which fits the distrct. Gerlach is similarly able to appeal to his distrct, but with a supposed socially liberal record. If he escapes one more time, I think he will be safe for a very long time.

Final verdict on Lois Murphy is that she was a great fundraiser but not a great candidate.


by Matt42 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:27:08 PM EST
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Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (none / 0)

Holden has a very Republican district that was drawn to make him lose to former Congressman Gekas. Since he won the new district in 2002, the Republicans haven't been able to get their act together. I don't know why; they can't still be shellshocked that he won, but they act like it.


by joyful alternative on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 07:35:02 PM EST
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Re: Lois Murphy _was_ netroots (none / 0)

She was a great candidate but her campaign was too DC managed. They didn't look at the numbers in 'red' western Chester County and Berks. More outreach there was seriously needed.


by pablue on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:22:06 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

Hello?!?  Webb & Tester?  Pat Murphy?  Sestak?  (PA House) Bryan Lentz, Tony Payton, Rick Taylor?


by lutton on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 02:56:21 PM EST

They MISSED my candidate! (none / 0)

John Hall in the NY-19 ran against a DCCC backed candidate in the primary and went on to win 51%-49% against Sue Kelly.

Yeah Judy Adeylott was the DCCC backed candiate who lost.

I'm not sure why they missed this one.

-- MrMacMan


by MrMacMan on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:07:42 PM EST

Re: They MISSED my candidate! (none / 0)

I just wanted to say that DownWithTyranny (DWT) also noticed the oversight:


by MrMacMan on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:16:26 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

I like coming to Mydd.com for a variety of reasons, so let me give you my perspective, from here in the Sonoran Desert.

First off, there needs to be a minimum of two candidates for every available seat to be contested by a Democrat in a primary.  Each will seek their particular level of success.

Two.  Economic populism always trumps the social issues because Justice starts with the pocket book.  Social Justice will then follow.

Three.  By addressing the popular political issues, our elected officials will always remain as incumbents.  The GOP ignored the popular political issues and paid the price. End of story.

In summary, here in Arizona we were successful in destroying the Minuteman Graf and the always reprehensible J.D. Hayworth.  Our only disappointment was in our loss in District 1 located in Northern Arizona.  So, two out of three victories is more than sufficient reason to celebrate.  As to the DSCC or the DHCC versus the 50-state strategy, kudos will always go to Dr. Dean for being prescient and for the brilliance of Chris Bowers for moving the stashed cash to other candidates to seek out their victories. Team Work Works!


by Jaango on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:14:06 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

Dean's 50 state strategy has to be given credit. Without it, when the wave started to develop there wouldn't have been candidates and staff in place to take advantage of it.

This doesn't mean that Emmanuel's targeting isn't important. You should concentrate your resources where you think you'll do best. But some percentage of time, money and effort should go into all districts to keep the pressure on and capitalize on mistakes.

I gave money to to out of state candidates Tester, Webb, Hodes, Sestek and Duckworth. DCCC candidates all but I gave through ActBlue because the netroots got me excited about their chances.

Everyone played a part.


by not the senator on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 03:42:41 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

It would be nice if there were some data to prove there is a correlation between netroots support and people's voting behavior.

I assume exit polls didn't ask things like: "Did you follow this candidate online?"

Correlation doesn't prove causation. Perhaps the DCCC just put the most effort into the hail mary races.

Perhaps some political group will do some follow up studies and find out what really influenced voters.

It is also worth noting how many Dem losers in really Repub districts came close to winning. For example Syracuse NY went 51-49 as did several other similar places. This needs to be studied as well, since it may show that the only reason for the status quo was the power of incumbency and, therefore, an effort to familiarize the voters with the candidate should start a year from now so the next person won't be starting from a dead stop.


---Policies not Politics
Daily Quiet Image
by rdf on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:25:21 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

false argument. people dont vote on candidates that the party leadership hand pick either. they vote on the candidate that they like. and at this point, the netroots has proven successful in being capable at picking good choices that people like despite what the national people thought would be the right hand picked choice. again tester and webb are clear examples of two candidates, but for the folks at mydd and d kos, would not have been considered viable candidates.


by bruh21 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 04:35:42 PM EST
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Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

The dumping on Tammy Duckworth to get at Rahm is disgusting. Tammy was a great candidate, inspired & inspiring. Rahm didn't drive me & hundreds of volunteers out to Lombard to canvass, phone, pound the pavement, write letters, and donate for Tammy; we did that because we believed in her passionately. Clearly unlike the cases Chris points to, Tammy won the primary & Cegalis lost. Sure, the DCCC put a lot of money into the race, but so did the Repubs on the other side & Roskam had a huge base of support from his state legislature runs & service. I like what Jonathan says but want to flip it -- unless you are going to blame Rahm for everything wicked in the campaign, the Netroots' record was not uniformly positive & the DCCC's not uniformly negative. Maybe neither the Netroots or the party bosses are infallible. Maybe the thing works best when we work together like we did for Webb & Tester & others. Or maybe we can just waste our energy & continue our typical circular firing squad, even when we win.


by dzdorfman on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 05:54:52 PM EST

Re: Examining the DCCC v. Netroots Meme (none / 0)

Courtney just squeaked by.  I know, because I just got back from the Boston MoveON office's debrief,that MoveOn put thousands of calls into that district.  We have as much reason as the Dem party to claim the vital few votes that tipped it.

That is not much thanks from them.

Then again, if they want to keep us at arms lenght, all the better for us to keep them to their promises.  They are on notice: democracy in this country just got a whole lot louder and stronger at the *roots level.


by greensmile on Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 10:48:39 PM EST


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