And Now to the Bickering

First let's disabuse ourselves of the bipartisanship idea.  These people don't want to compromise.

Norquist said the Republicans' primary goal for the next two years should be making the case for GOP control -- not bipartisanship.

...

Norquist predicted that Bush would now govern largely through executive orders rather than working with Congress on legislation. The president could, for example, use orders to lighten the load of capital gains taxes by changing how they are calculated, Norquist said. One other possible executive order, he said, could excite conservative voters in time for the 2008 election: putting the late President Reagan on the $50 or $100 bill.

Now of course there will have to be attempts to compromise, attempts to work with Republicans, but the Republicans will simply rebuff them or deal with us in bad faith.  What I'm going watching is which Democrats believe in date rape bipartisanship and which ones believe in trying to work together, and failing that, actually work to govern.

Hoyer and Murtha are going at each other on this point.  Murtha's got a little pork problem, but Hoyer too much wants to be liked by his abusive Republican boyfriends.  And of course, Rahm Emanuel is going full bore against us, and was doing so behind the scenes prior to the election.  What a shocker.  I'm already hearing the 'Democrats need to be Republicans' line with the 'Democrats need to work with a President who won't work with them.'  

The notion that this election saw conservative Democrats as the big winners is a lie.  And how do we know it's a lie?  Well because White House Press Secretary Tony Snow is bragging about it.

But despite the new House leaders, White House officials are not writing off the chamber as a bastion of liberalism, Snow said, adding that Bush believes the chamber will actually mirror his thinking on issues -- and perhaps even reject Pelosi's on occasion.

"Three dozen blue dogs have voted against her on various issues," Snow said, using a nickname for conservative Democrats. "And it's the conservative Democrats who made real gains."

Progressives made huge gains.  I mean Bernie Sanders is a friggin' socialist.  In the House, we've got a majority with a non-Southern base for the first time in a LONG time.



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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Yeah, lie down and get raped. That's always a satisfying strategy.


by billybob on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:14:48 AM EST

Reagan Belongs on the $100 Bill (none / 0)

The preferred currency of drug and arms merchants. Reagan brought us Iran-Contra - drugs for arms - paid for by wads of $100 bills. How can we forget?


Children, have you any fish?
by FishOutofWater on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:17:42 AM EST

Re: Reagan Belongs on the $100 Bill (none / 0)

I say bring back the $2 bill and put him on it... or better yet, put Bush on it... A worthless mistake of a Bill for 2 worthless Presidents.

I like saying All about the benjamins too mucht o see Reagan on a $100.  :-)  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:13:56 PM EST
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Three Dollar Bill (none / 0)

Honestly, it's the only place Reagan belongs.


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:27:52 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Bush believes the chamber will actually mirror his thinking on issues

Bush is wandering in a snowy fantasy like Frosty the Snowman in a snowball paperweight.


by billybob on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:18:14 AM EST

The Trick Is To Be ... (3.00 / 2)

partisan in practice but bipartisan in rhetoric, image and brand. A mature and succesful majority undertands this. Maintain a veneer of moderation and bipartisanship but play it tough in implementation.


Intrepid Liberal Journal
by Intrepid Liberal Journal on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:19:08 AM EST

Re: The Trick Is To Be ... (none / 0)

will they do this, or is this what you are wishing they would do?


by bruh21 on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:20:39 AM EST
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Definitely What I Wish For ... (none / 0)

but I haven't a clue if they will pull it off.


Intrepid Liberal Journal
by Intrepid Liberal Journal on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:18:16 PM EST
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Even Bush did this in 2001 (none / 0)

The one thing the Bush administration was good at before the floor fell out was politics. Bush always talked about being bipartisan even while screwing the Dems at every turn.


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:59:53 AM EST
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True and Dems ... (none / 0)

allowed for a long time too. Also the media were accomplices whenever a Dem made the slightest peep about anything.


Intrepid Liberal Journal
by Intrepid Liberal Journal on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:19:28 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

I'm getting a bit sick of Emmanuel and Schumer all over the tube...where's Dean?  The 50 state strategy won.


by Karatist Preacher on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:19:38 AM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Yes, where the hell is Dean? If anybody can claim this as his work is him.
I want to see Howard Dean!

PD. I am beginning to think in a change to my signature too...


What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists, and the Republic has become the very evil we have been fighting to destroy?
by santos on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:13:50 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Dean's gotten some play but nearly as much as he should be. i heard second-hand that McManus on NPR said this was a repudiation of Dean's strategy? however, the Hotline does mention him in their toplines with Schumer and Emanuel. but anyone who tries to spin this against Dean is just nuts.

this cycles shows that Dems can focus on long-term strategy and still score huge short-term victories.


by Chris G on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:29:44 PM EST
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Wasn't it you that said (none / 0)

Its a big, big win, maybe not for us, but a big, big win nevertheless.

We still have a lot of work to do.  

thanks for everything.


by aiko on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:21:11 AM EST

Our talking points (3.00 / 1)

It is actually meaningful on how non liberals like Webb won. He won by appealing to the netroots demographic in addition to the mainstream. If he pandered like your typical old democrat, guess what, he would have lost the netroot type voter and not gained a single republican voter and lost this election for sure.
What does this say? We know that we need the establishment to win. But the establishment should know they need the netroots(though not  to the same extent) to win the close races. If anyone is being mature and non reactionary about it, it's the netroots. There have been attempts by the netroots to solicit help from mainstream politicians while the mainstream politicians do not return the favor.

Except for lieberman and Ford, almost every Democrat won by railing against the Iraq war and not distancing themselves from netroots even if they did not necessarily stay entwined with them to the extent Lamont was. In short, those were pretty much Lamont talking points. Was Murtha less vociferous on this war? I saw McCaskill who was burnishing her moderate credentials by saying she was pro-death penalty still manage to run a campaign without alienating the netroots and not backing down on attacking the war. What about Tester. Except for Sherrod, how many big achievements did Rahm have?  Was Rahm responsible for the 50 state strategy? Democrats won in areas the Rahm types wrote off.

Webb, McCaskill, Tester won races that do not owe anything to Rahm's expertise.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:22:37 AM EST

Re: Our talking points (none / 0)

You speak the truth but politics is perception... We won 25 plus (probably 30 when its all over) seats in the house and Rahm was the guy in charge... He will get the credit for the win, even if the reality is he didn't do as much to get it... it looks like he did.  Even Dean gave him a lot of credit last night on CNN.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:17:47 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

"Working with the president" is a loser strategy.  Dems in Congress need to live up to their promises and stand up to the president.  He's going to try to screw us, we need to screw him.  

Start passing legislation that conservatives hate.  Make them vote against it and make the president veto it.  Get them on record for 2008.  

Now is the time for party solidarity.


by Reece on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:25:02 AM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Hear Hear!

Bush will not compromise.  It's just not in him.  He never has, and he never will.

So much more important is for the Democrats to go in, pass some clean, popular bills like a minimum wage increase, and let the Republicans vote against it.

The Democrats Won.  They should act like Winners.


by icgardener on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:40:34 AM EST
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Re: very wrong about Bush (none / 0)

If there's one thing I've learned observing Bush since he began running for president is that every
molecule in his body is tuned for his own personal survival. Watch for it. Bush will be surprisingly open to working with Dems and it won't shock me if
some real good legislation doesn't get passed and signed in the next two years. Bush's reach across the partisan divide will be genuine, too, because his own survival depends on it. Bush will abandon his base faster than he ran down the rabbit hole on 9/11.

IF Dems understand this they will be able to co-opt Bush, not visa versa; marginalize the reactionary Rs
and please voters so much they may not lose control of Congress for a long time.


by phillydem on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:39:55 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

I think they mean working with the President on Iraq and trying to nail down a compromise.  They can't force Bush to bring the troops back home... They could really only defund the war.  That is a major risk though and I don't know how big a pair the House Dems leadership have to try this.  I think you need to read between the lines here... this election said that people are sick of the GOP partisanship.  At this point, the spin in the media HAS to be one of bi partisanship at this point... Everyone loves everyone right now.  Once push comes to shove though, I believe Pelosi will be speaking Bi-partisanship but will oppose anything she feels is too conservative.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:22:53 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

i think the best legislation to push right now is smart progressive proposals that have majority support from Americans, so totally agreed on this. make conservatives go on record opposing popular, progressive legislation.


by Chris G on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:36:34 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Nancy Pelosi should say 'bipartisanship can begin today. The Republicans just have to learn what it involves, because they didn't all the time they were in control.'

Or: 'I'm ready to begin a new era of co-operation in the House, once the Republicans learn what co-operation means.'

When you strike at the king, you'd better kill him. Norquist and co. aren't shutting up shop unless they're hauled off in cuffs. So, I'd be happy for a brief, brutal period of Republican Rules, just to rub the noses of the loser GOP in the shit they piled up on Capitol Hill.


by etagloh on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:27:46 AM EST

Yes, when Pelosi meets with Bush tomorrow.... (none / 0)

she should make a positive sounding statement welcoming his decision to turn over a new leaf and commit to support the kinds of policies that are broadly supported by people of both parties (e.g. minimum wage), new direction in Iraq, congressional ethics, etc.


by xtrarich on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:22:08 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (3.00 / 1)

Let's get all the races won first.  In my district (CT-02) the Republican has not conceded and we're going to have a recount.  I hope that the the netroots and the national dems will suport us local Dems through this. Will the Republicans send thugs to Connecticut like they did to Florida? Let's all put some resources into cementing our "victory" as a first priority.


by MVD on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:29:04 AM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Do we really want to waste any more time on a state like CT that doesn't get it?

OK, that was frustration talking. I just had to vent.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:38:25 AM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Matt, Polosi got her part to vote as a core at the rate of 89% unity. "Bluedogs" and all.


by nzubechukwu on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:32:54 AM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Three dozen blue dogs have voted against her on various issues

It is much easier to wander from a minority party than a majority one.  The majority leader has a lot more sticks, and a lot more carrots, than minority leader.  Don't expect to see a lot of defections.


by Professor Foland on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:34:38 AM EST

the moral high ground (none / 0)

But we still need to try and take the moral high ground. We can't just screw them because they screwed us ad infinitum. We are better than that. We are better than them.


by crazy diamond on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:37:58 AM EST

Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

It;s that attitude all along that has made the base the bitch of the DLC.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:39:05 AM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

He's not saying roll over and take it... THAT was the DLC attitude.  He is saying don't fuck Bush just to Fuck him.  Oppose him on shitty bills, but if he proposes something that is good (I know fat chance) don't automatically say no JUST because Bush proposed it.  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:27:59 PM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

I wasnt aware anyone suggested anything remotely like that. Of course, we shouldnt oppose any politician's idea just to oppose it.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 04:05:38 PM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

Hear! Hear!


Not your daddy's democrat...or am I?
by TinyTownMom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:48:46 AM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

"qualification"
Hear!  Hear!  to Yes, take the moral high ground!  Nothing gets done when we all act like a bunch of 3rd graders!
Not your daddy's democrat...or am I?
by TinyTownMom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:51:58 AM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

We can't just screw them because they screwed us ad infinitum.

For a brief, well-defined period, it's absolutely necessary. Screw them in righteous ways, but make the fuckers suffer.


by etagloh on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:50:06 AM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

combative isn't bad if it has a real purpose, and in many cases over the next two years it will--i think the perfect tone will be to offer a "bipartisan" approach on popular, progressive legislation, and if Bush fights us on that, then it's he who's being petty and partisan, not the Dem leadership.


by Chris G on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:42:43 PM EST
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Re: the moral high ground (none / 0)

Yes, "purpose"  If nothing else, I scream for PURPOSE and to please let something, anything bring about meaningful changes from our government to our lives.


Not your daddy's democrat...or am I?
by TinyTownMom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:51:08 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (3.00 / 1)

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE, that the Democratic base has absolutely no interest whatsoever in bickering between Emanuel, Hoyer, Dean, the blogosphere, etc.  Fan these flames and throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Everyone should just friggin chill.


by bslev22 on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:57:36 AM EST

Reagan Currency (none / 0)

Hell no.  The only way you can beat this kind of talk is to counter and demand extra hard-like.  Why don't we demand to put Kennedy on either of those bills instead?  God knows he's a much more iconic figure universally than Saint Ronny could ever aspire to be.  Not to mention he has more crap named after him already.

Come to think on't, why isn't Kennedy on any of our currency?  That ain't him on the nickel, is it?  Gawd, all them dudes look the same stamped in metal, though.


The Wages of Sin is about $5.15 an Hour.
by hz on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:59:39 AM EST

Re: Reagan Currency (none / 0)

Isn't he on the half dollar?  If they want Reagan on one, then tell them Kennedy or Roosevelt needs to be on the other.  I could live with Grant and Hamilton being replaced.  If I had to choose I would put Reagan on the $50 because it isn't used as often as the $10... let our guy get more face time.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:30:09 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

This is the part where a complete lack of experience and following the lead of Rove and Norquist's "Slash and Burn  - Take no prisoners" philosophy makes life difficult for W.


by kmwray on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:12:46 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

The mid-terms are behind us and I feel it is only fit and proper to reach out  to the Members across the aisle. In the spirit of bi-partisanship and comity I would like to tender the following to our Republican brethren:

Fuck you for your devotion to Gastrodarwinism, the survival of the fattest;

Fuck you for willfully confusing politics and process;

Fuck you for shirking your oversight responsibilities for 12 years straight;

Fuck you for squandering the international goodwill of September 12, 2001;

Fuck you for watching us become mired in an intractable mess in Iraq;

Fuck you for dividing the country, perhaps irrevocably;

Fuck you and your trillions in debt that we and our children and their children will have to pay down;

Fuck you for setting off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East;

Fuck you for intertwining religion and politics to the detriment of both;

Fuck you for excluding the Democratic Party (hey assholes, got that? it's DEMOCRATIC Party not Democrat party) from the drafting of legislation;

Fuck you for giving tax breaks to the rich while ignoring the working people, the poor, the sick, the uninsured, the veterans and the students of this country;

Fuck you for trying to undo the best and most enlightened social policies of the past 80 years;

In short, fuck you for being the small-minded, selfish, prejudiced, impious, un-Christian, nasty bastards that you are.

The adults are home and you've trashed the place. You're grounded.

Welcome to the House Committee on Sex and Music - when we want your fucking opinion on anything, we'll just whistle.


by Double D on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:25:47 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

YES these are all the things we are pissed off about...and I ask again...now that we're "home" what are we going to do first...or...next...to make things better for me and my family, my friends, my community, my country...


Not your daddy's democrat...or am I?
by TinyTownMom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:38:51 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Fast forward; it's January, 2007. The first 100 hours will play out like this:

Day One: New rules put in place to break the link between lobbyists and legislation.

Day Two: All the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 are enacted.

Time remaining until 100 hours: the minimum wage gets raised to $7.25 an hour. The interest rate on student loans is cut in half. The government begins to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients. The types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds is broadened significantly.

+ + +

Thereafter: "Pay as you go" rules, meaning no increasing the deficit, whether the issue is middle class tax relief, health care or some other priority.

To do that, Bush-era tax cuts will be rolled back for those with annual incomes of $250,000 and up. Tax rates for those individuals will revert to those of the Clinton era.


by Double D on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 01:03:53 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Thank you!  I've heard it, but needed to see it, lest we forget...
---
I will copy this and put it on our refrigerator in the middle of my family's gathering place, where all the most important and top priority papers get put, and I will check these off, one by one, as they become reality.
Not your daddy's democrat...or am I?
by TinyTownMom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:59:43 PM EST
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Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

great list of fuck yous. just one small quibble...

Fuck you for shirking your oversight responsibilities for 12 years straight

they've only been shirking their oversight duty for 6 years... since january 20, 2001.

from 1994 through 2000 they were amazingly hypervigilant about oversight. why they even spent 140 hours of their precious time investigating a President's christmas card list.

so I'm guessing they must have exhausted themselves silly those first 6 years because they haven't been able to do a lick of oversight since. poor them. happily, the relief crew has finally arrived.


by irene adler on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:10:07 PM EST
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A Tale of Three House Seats (3.00 / 2)

Shea-Porter, McNerney, Duckworth.  Where Rahm prevailed, the Dems lost.  Where Rahm lost, the Dems prevailed.

Sure, there were other races.  But these were the ones that really epitomized the choices.  These are the ones we should be talking about, over and over and over again.

And guess what?  It's not just Rahm.  The netroots also failed to support Cegalis.  While she had her netroot advocates, she didn't have the wholehearted support she deserved.  There's a lesson here for us as well.


by Paul Rosenberg on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:36:57 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Tester is declaring Victory on CNN right now.  So now BOTH candidates have declared victory... that will be huge for the recounts.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:39:28 PM EST

Screw Bickering (3.00 / 1)

Just let Henry Waxman loose on the crooks at Halliburton and Bechtel, Barney Frank loose on banks and credit card companies, and John Dingel and John Conyers loose on every other giant corporation.

The country will be better off for it and the R's will never win another election in my lifetime.


by masaccio on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:39:55 PM EST

and while we're on the subject (none / 0)

I haven't been watching, so how often have the netroots been mentioned by the talking heads today?


by masaccio on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:41:22 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Put reagan on a new three dollar bill as in queer as a three dollar bill.


by ckerst on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:47:31 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (3.00 / 1)

Norquist's number one goal should be to stay out of prison.


by Dick Tuck on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 01:46:29 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Yep their idea of compromise is for the Democrats to shut up and go along. Man the next two years are going to be good.


by druidbros on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:40:38 PM EST

Clintonite Bruce Reed another wanker (none / 0)

http://www.slate.com/id/2153167/nav/tap1 /

He talks about how Rahm refused to apply ideological litmus tests as if the others did. Is that what the netroots did with McCaskill and Webb? Last i checked, Netroots backed Tester and Rahm didn't initially. Netroots backed Webb. Netroots backed Lamont(which he terms as a foolish summer fling - where is Donnie when you need him to condemn insulting rhetoric from the establishment types), but he ignores Harold Ford lost. Oh when his guy loses, then it's because he did better than expected anyway, but when one of our guys loses, moral victories do not matter.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:02:59 PM EST

Re: And Now to the Bickering (none / 0)

Norquist said the Republicans' primary goal for the next two years should be making the case for GOP control -- not bipartisanship.

This sin't 1994 again, buddy... people are sick of the partisan crap coming from your side of the aisle.  We represent America now.. all of america...  we represent the middle.  You're not going to win it back by being all right-wing and crazy like you did before.

So, go ahead... hemmorage more seats...  have fun!

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:31:06 PM EST

I'd like to add... (none / 0)

...that this is typical for the GOP... refusing to govern... everything is about political gain and power.  the american people are sick of that, but try it again, friend.. keep going with that!!


by lordmikethegreat on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:32:06 PM EST
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