Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle

So it's down to the final weekend; please volunteer if you can, the Lamont people have set up a nice page where you can find lots of fun stuff to do.  This matters.  Lamont volunteers are powering the entire Connecticut Democratic Party GOTV operation, including three very competitive House races which Joe decided to throw under the bus.

This is no longer a primary, and we're down to the voters who don't like anyone and don't trust anyone and don't like TV commercials and get all their information from the TV commercials they don't like.  I talked to one young guy today who didn't like the war, but thought both candidates were the same on all the issues.  I mentioned that Lieberman wants regime change in Iran and would probably push for military force over there and he said 'oh well it's so violent over there'.  He didn't know that Lieberman pushed for the original authorization for war, and when told he didn't care.  He knew that Lamont wanted to withdraw troops, but he didn't know if that was a good or a bad idea.  He's going to study both websites before he votes, which will basically mean a coinflip.  He doesn't like Ned's negative campaign, and he doesn't like that Lieberman never says anything.  In fact I have no idea what he cares about, and he probably doesn't either.  

Joe is still acting like a thug, threatening Dodd on Imus and hiring protesters to disrupt Lamont events.  Ho hum.  They are featured in this local news broadcast.

Also, Lieberman got an endorsement from a virulently anti-gay group, and put it on his blog.  Paul Bass has the details at the New Haven Independent; Lieberman got the endorsement because of his opposition to gay marriage and his vote "for a measure proposed by Republican then-Sen. Jesse Helms (Senate Amendment no. 2434 to bill number 1513) to deny federal funding to schools that counsel students, even suicidal gay students, that it's OK to be gay."

Way to go Human Rights Campaign with that Joe endorsement!  Solid!

And here's Chris Dodd getting a quasi-death threat from Joe Lieberman and chuckling.  Oh ha ha ha.

This is really quite pathetic.  Here we have a vindictive extremist sabotaging Dodd's main accomplishment (Bolton) and cozying up to bigots, and Dodd is playing nice and gay rights group Human Rights Campaign has endorsed Joe.  Meanwhile, Senate Minority Leader Reid is reportedly discussing which Committee Chair Lieberman is going to get.  That's not to mention the Democracy 21 or Common Cause, both of which decided to let overt campaign finance lawbreaking by Lieberman go unremarked.

This has been a big hustle.  The DC Democratic establishment, the Republican establishment nationally and in Connecticut, the single-issue groups and the lobbyists are all supporting Joe with huge amounts of money and institutional support.  Meanwhile, Lamont is left alone to point out that Lieberman is misrepresenting his positions on everything from the war to energy to civil rights.

Again, we may win, but it would be a whole lot easier without that knife stuck in our back.  Seeing what's arrayed against us, it's really quite remarkable Ned won the primary.  When a candidate can just call in around $20M, as Joe has done, break laws with impunity, hire protesters to sabotage his opponents' events and harrass his opponent, brag about liberal single issue group endorsements while also getting backed by Bush and right-wing bigots, it's pretty hard to make a run of it.  But Ned is making a run of it.

And this is why there was no debate before the Iraq war.  This country's political elites do not want real debates, and will fight tooth and nail to keep debates from happening.



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Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

and the young people like you, Matt, will change it. I have faith in you and your peers.


by mrobinsong on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 12:34:11 AM EST

So do I (none / 0)

But in saying so, as an old pappy guy will do, I ran longgggg, so I put my comment in another one of those before your grandmother was born diaries of mine.

Get off my lawn, you kids! Go home and learn something!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/11/4/1030 9/1037


by stevehigh on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 10:34:37 AM EST
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Andrea, it's NED LAMONT (3.00 / 2)

[new] Andrea, it's NED LAMONT (none / 0)

Not Nick, you stupid nitwit MRs Greenspan. I felt like screaming at Andrea as she kept getting his name wrong.

I think the quasi death threat is overstating it Matt. It wasnt even quasi. Just a pathetic attempt by Joe to act all righteous and victimized and act like how it would be nice if he "could rise above his dignified behavior and do to Dodd what he deserves".

Let's make fun of it. I do understand you used the word quasi. Let's just call it passive aggressive.

Matt, regarding the guy who had no clue how to assess the canddiates. Maybe you should have told Mr Clueless that "even if you are not sure removing troops is good or bad, you do know that going to Iraq was definitely a bad idea. So shouldn;t you consider that as a factor. Ned may or may not be doing the perfect thing, but Lieerman has already done the wrong thing, and may continue to do so. So shouldn't uncertainty be preferable to definite failure?"


by Pravin on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 01:01:30 AM EST

Re: Andrea, it's NED LAMONT (none / 0)

Yeah, you'd think Greenspan's chick could get it right.

Then, again, she's probably too busy spinning his lack of responsibility for the deficit mess to worry about much else.


by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 09:19:23 AM EST
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Re: Andrea, it's NED LAMONT (none / 0)

Thank you!

I was coming to complain about that as well.

I mean honestly, if these media talking heads can't get the facts straight...give someone the job who can.


by Elise on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 02:53:46 PM EST
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thank you! (none / 0)

She got it wrong multiple times too!
hello, he is the Democratic candidate, maybe you should get his name right?

-C.


by neutron on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 04:18:57 PM EST
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I stopped giving to NARAL and PPFA (3.00 / 2)

that's Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

I do still give generously to Planned Parenthood of Greater Iowa, to support services for women. Nothing to their PAC, though.

The DC Democrats' failure to get behind Lamont is an incredible indictment. I don't know which is worse--their cynicism or their stupidity. The really infuriating thing is that if we gain 6 seats and Joe flips to keep the Senate in GOP control, the netroots will be blamed for the whole mess.

I hope Lamont can pull off a miracle on Tuesday. I never thought Lieberman would be able to hang on to a third of Democrats while keeping the GOP candidate in single digits.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 01:09:38 AM EST

Re: I stopped giving to NARAL and PPFA (3.00 / 1)

Actually the netroots won't be blamed for anything they're not blamed for now -- i.e. daring to challenge an incumbent Senator with 18 years experience.

But, in future, Democrats who want to attack their own base will do so a lot more quietly or they'll instantly get 50,000 angry phone calls.

You don't see Republicans openly saying that evangelicals are a "bunch of crack-pots" do you? Or openly laughing at them? (They do that in secret).

Well, Democrats haven't had to toe the line until recently, and they're just getting the idea in their heads that people won't be nice to them if they screw their own supporters.

It will take some time for this simple concept to sink in. Joe certainly doesn't help but this isn't the only race in the country and there will be a lot of other ones to come.

It's doubtful Joe will flip anytime soon anyway. He could flip and still wind up in the minority in 2008 given the dynamic of that senate race and then what?

No, if Democrats win, he'll be welcomed back with open arms and get to sneer at everyone who opposed him. He'll love it as a Democrat with all the other Democratic Senators having to eat his turds and bloody well like it -- or else!

Nothing better for an egoist like Joe.


by Cugel on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 02:42:48 AM EST
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Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

I still think Lamont is going to win this.  But if he doesn't, the progressives will not forget the shameful lack of support he got from the DSSC and his fellow Democrats in the Senate.  May every one of them have to endure vicious primary challenges.


by global yokel on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 01:24:10 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

After we win this one we can look to cleaning house (and Senate) in 2008.
Yes, there are alot of clueless people out there, some things never change.
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama
by Predictor on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 01:55:03 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Boy, could Andrea Mitchell be more of a bitch --- Bet she's a member of Ann and Rush's fan club!
WoW!
Shame on MSNBC again.
Go Keith Olbermann!
by djjimz on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 02:20:13 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

This just shows that this election cycle is just one battle in a long war. In 2002 it was the entire establishment both Dem and Repub against Dean. Now they support Lieberliar and all those "centrists" that Rahm and Schumer wanted. At least we have made some progress. Lamont beat Lieberliar in the primary. Many other grassroots candidates beat the establishment triangulators. Some will win the general election next Tue.

Unless we keep up the fight and pressure we will not be able to win the war. This is all block & tackle. Each inch we win will have to be ground out. It requires perseverance and patience.


by ab initio on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 02:47:20 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Man, I can't believe she said "Nick Lamont" twice, and Dodd didn't correct her.  Not very quality journalism when you can't even get the name right of the person you're talking about.

At the same time, this tirade blaming everyone from Harry Reid to Planned Parenthood for Lamont being behind in the polls really turns people off.

"Quasi death threat"?  Chris Dodd was the first to say he'd bring a food tester to their next lunch together, and Lieberman responded (not initiated) that he might bring Don Corleone.  Hardly Lieberman saying "I'm gonna kill dat fuckin Dodd guy."

As far as support for gay marriage, a MAJORITY of Democrats don't support it, either.  They don't support a ban against it, but most Democrats tend to believe that states should be able to decide whether to allow gay marriage or not.  The reason Lieberman was endorsed by HRC, an organization which I proudly support, is that he has a record of voting for pro-gay issues.  Ned Lamont would too, but he's not in the Senate.

Lieberman is pro-choice.  He's been endorsed by all the major pro-choice groups because he has a record of supporting abortion rights.  Again, I am a financial contributor to Planned Parenthood and their endorsement of Lieberman was based on record versus Lamont's rhetoric/positions.  Lamont would probably be a strong pro-chocie senator, Lieberman has proven to be one.

Lieberman is pro-environment, hence he received the support of major environmental groups.  Again, he has a record of opposing drilling in ANWR, investing in researching renewable energy resources, and increasing CAFE standards and gas mileage in vehicles.  Lamont might be a great environmentalist senator, Lieberman has proven to be one.

Lamont destroys Lieberman on the issue of Iraq.  Iraq is Lieberman's weak point.  Lieberman has seemingly waffled on the war position lately, as a result of Lamont's charge.

I think Lieberman has enough problems that the bloggers don't have to make up quotes (like calling Lamont a 'big jerk'), distort his positions, and criticize those who support him.  Lamont has still not made a compelling case as to why he should be the next CT Senator.  He's made a fine case of why Joe shouldn't, but he hasn't "sold" himself.

This choice is for Connecticut voters, not people like me, Kos or Matt Stoller.


by MyDD Fan on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 03:04:02 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

Anyone who votes for Alito is not pro-choice.  


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 04:47:53 PM EST
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Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

I should add that as a politician I despise Lieberman.  I think he is responsible for Gore's loss in the 2000 election.

I enjoyed him in the 2004 election because it was like watching a train accident.  He was blindsided by Gore's endorsement of Howard Dean; he proclaimed he had "Joementum"; he thought all the way through the Oklahoma primary that he'd be the Democratic nominee.

Watching Joe Lieberman's campaign was like watching Alan Keyes run for the Republican nomination in 2000, and for Senate in 2004.


by MyDD Fan on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 03:08:53 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Matt, whats the odds that Liberman well change party affiliation from Indy back to Dem?


by nzubechukwu on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 03:24:52 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Technically, Lieberman is still a Democrat; running as an independent hasn't forced him to re-register as one.


by PsiFighter37 on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 06:02:23 AM EST
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Re: CT = Kansas (3.00 / 1)

I can't believe that CT is falling for all of this crap.  Whatever happens, Lamont is a real American.  As for the Dems, they are evil and corrupt - only just not as bad as the Republicans.  People in this country better wake up to how corrupt our politics and system of government has become.  We make Mexico look good!   It has to be stopped and only the people can do it.  I just wish all the blogs would get together, pick 3 or so goals, and they focus like a laser beam on getting them done.  And please folks - no money to the DSCC or the DCCC and not even the DNC after Dean leaves.  We need to pick real candidates - not a pile of conservative Blue Dogs - to back.  If we don't believe in our message and don't think we are "main stream" then we shouldn't win.  


by dkmich on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 07:35:42 AM EST

Low-information voters, indeed (none / 0)


  We get the government we deserve.

 Anyone who votes for Lieberman permanently abdicates his right to voice concerns over Iraq (or Iran).

 This is your chance to do something about Iraq, Connecticut voters. If you pass on this opportunity, and I hear ONE COMPLAINT about your sons and daughers getting sent off to die some more, well... the sympathy well's going to be pretty dry around these parts...


by Master Jack on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 08:00:32 AM EST

Welcome to Big Politics (3.00 / 1)

There are two parties: Us and Them.

To the insiders, Joe is 'Us'. And ultimately, protecting Us is more important.


by etagloh on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 08:50:49 AM EST

Human Rights Campaign (3.00 / 2)

I am so sick of the Human Rights Campaign.  What an incompetent bunch of assholes.  Their advocacy for OPPONENTS of marriage equality and their opposition to its most eloquent, outspoken advocates here in Maryland is evidence of their shit-headed mentality.  (Sorry to curse on your site but endorsing those who oppose your interests is the definition of obscene.)

It is difficult for me to imagine why I might ever donate money to a single issue group again.  Who needs them?  If I want to support a pro-equality/pro-choice/pro-environment/ pro-transit candidate, I don't need an HRC/NARAL/Sierra Club, etc.  Bekkaus I is a collej grajuwhat, and ken reed.  

Why the inefficiency of passing the money through the extra sieve of such organizations, replete with their huge overhead?  Other than the tax deduction (which only sometimes applies), I cannot see why I would do so.

Better to give the money to community-based organizations.  If I want to help gay people, I will either give to pro-gay candidates or maybe to the GLCC of Baltimore.  If I want to help fight sexual assault, I will give to sexual assault crisis centers in my county or the adjacent one.  This way, I cannot get snookered into backing retrograde assholes like whoever the local issue advovacy group's significant other or "best pal" works for or used to date, which is how I suspect some of these obscenely counter-productive endorsements must arise.


by Crablaw on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 09:00:40 AM EST

Re: Human Rights Campaign (3.00 / 1)

Better to give the money to community-based organizations.

This has been the real take-away point of the last two cycles for me.  I no longer give to national, party-based organizations such as the DSCC, and (finally) talked my wife out of giving time and $ to inside-the-beltway advocacy organizations (yeah, I'm talking to you, NARAL).  I support candidates solely on their positions rather than party affiliation (although obviously, most of them are Dem), and keep my money local.  I'm going to reregister as an independent after the election next Tuesday.


by dr bloor on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 10:37:32 AM EST
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Re: Human Rights Campaign (none / 0)

I was a member for many years, but I dropped out. The last time I got a fund-raising call from them, I gave the caller a piece of my mind about Lieberman. I could tell by the meekness of the caller that she's been hearing this, a lot.

I find the Victory Fund a better source of information, anyway. Even there, I give directly to candidates rather than to the organization - at least, during the actual electoral cycle. I might rejoin Victory Fund after the cycle's over, to help support their candidate-training program.


by Christopher Walker on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 11:20:42 AM EST
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Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Re the late deciding voters in the campaign, I think they really won't respond to specific items or issues or topics.  Some folks just don't evaluate things that way and machine-gunning data at them just makes them uncomfortable.  That doesn't mean that they can't make a decision or are incapable of changning their mind.

Perhaps, one can prompt a better response by just asking them why they think they'll get a different outcome out of Washington if they keep sending the same ole' guys down there.  Especially, when it's the same guys who have been there for nearly twenty years and don't seem to have been able to get anything done to benefit the listener.  If they're happy with the way their Senator or legislator has managed things for them, then, by all means, vote for the incumbent.   If they're not, then they must change the legislator if they want change.  You know they'll make the correct choice.  And then just shut up and end the conversation.  


by VizierVic on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 10:38:58 AM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

If the heads of the CT voters remain lodged in their asses through Tuesday, and Joe returns to DC, CT will be getting a bastard representative.  He will be a man no longer taken seriously by most in his nominal Party, and will be hectored and scorned constantly by the likes of Kos, Stoller, Atrios, and Matt Stoller.

I would guess he decamps fairly soon to join an ill-fated Independent push for the presidency with the vulgar Bloomberg or McCain if he loses the Republican nomination.


by Bob H on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 12:09:56 PM EST

What? Me know candidate name? (none / 0)

This twat makes Borat look right on the money about Murkkkans. The 'folks' at the top of  the heap think they don't have to be good at their jobs anymore.

They are going to be surprised when they find out otherwise.

Who is gonna need this Twat to tell them the 'news', largely inaccurate, when you can go on the Internet and read and discuss the truth.

Buh-bye 'elite' news idiots.


by Pericles on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 12:18:18 PM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Frankly, progressive though I be, it will take years to transform this nation - if at all - from a fear-based, culture of war to one of hope, and compassion, away from the us/them paradigm.

Elections come and go. Knee jerk "throw the bumbs out" because we've been in Iraq too damn long and we're losing does not make a movement, let a lone a progressive movement. This is just moment by moment exploitation of a crisis in time. The hearts, mind and soul of America have not registered one bleep on the the radar screen out of the molde we've formed that keeps us "staying the course".

A movement is needed. The ground work must be layed for real change. And that aint even begun. As Lakoff rightly said, all the frames are right-wing frames. Developed and deployed over decades. Putting Dems in who have adopted the right-wing frames does nothing to move this nation in a direction from the trajectory pushed by Ronald Reagon and continued ever to this day (including those triangluated Clinton years).

The Dems are just more of the same - granted I hope they win to stop the maddness for a moment. But real change? You won't get it without a real progressive movement and a changing of the frames that defines the world views Americans hold.

I truly believe that Lamont carries the beginning of a course change. He is the symbolic outsider, the un-politician. He's the pebble in the pools that sends the ever widening ripple. But people have to vote for it to make even that small, but necessary change a reality.

As long as Dems and their ardent supporters think pushing candidates like Ford - just to add a d to the senate roster - we can pretty well guage how much real work needs to be done.


by Maxfield on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 02:20:40 PM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

Matt you've done a really great job describing the mood here in Connecticut.  It's pure burnout.  What's sad about that is we also have three Congressional races to be excited about.  What should be a good time for Connecticut, has turned into one big frustration.  And let's not kid ourselves.  The Lieberman campaign are the ones who've put Connecticut through this, all because Democrats had the audacity to demand a primary.

Voters are pissed off about the phone calls, mailers and ads.  They're sick of every aspect of this election.  Even those of us who are die hard supporters of candidates can't help but feel the burnout over the tone of this election.


by Melissa Ryan on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 02:52:09 PM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Even if you're discouraged over Lamont's fate on Tuesday, you have three FANTASTIC House candidates that stand a GREAT chance of ousting incumbent Republicans.  It's not just about Lamont, stay excited for Murphy, Courtney and Farrell!  Maybe they'll drag Ned across the finish line with them!


by MyDD Fan on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 09:42:32 PM EST
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Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

I'm not discouraged.  Ned could still win this one.  It all comes down to GOTV and the Lamont campaign has been building up quite an army.  Even the Lieberman campaign knows they can't match that.

And yes our Congressional candidates are doing a great job.  I expect to see three victories on Tuesday evening.

But none of that changes how voters feel right now, and the burnout is there.


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 12:40:01 PM EST
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Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (none / 0)

Thanks for the heads-up about PPFA.  I can redirect money I was planning to send to them.


by jolene on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 04:50:07 PM EST

Re: Lieberman, Lamont, and More on the Big Hustle (3.00 / 1)

I can't believe that Connecticutt voters are this stupid.  They desrve to be shit on by Joe.


by antiHyde on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 06:05:01 PM EST


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