The Iraqi Civil War

Los Angeles Times front page:

Iraq's civil war worsened Friday as Shiite and Sunni Arabs engaged in retaliatory attacks after coordinated car bombings that killed more than 200 people in a Shiite neighborhood the day before. A main Shiite political faction threatened to quit the government, a move that probably would cause its collapse and plunge the nation deeper into disarray. [emphasis added]

Time headline: Iraq's Violence Spins Beyond Anyone's Control. The Washington Post front page headline: In Iraq, Reprisals Embolden Militias. Reuters headline: Baghdad violence fuels fears of civil war

It is months, if not years late but, the establishment media are finally realizing that the level of violence in Iraq has long since passed the point of sustainability, spiraling out of control to the point at which few, if any, solutions remain.

Iraq is engaged in a civil war. Close to two-thirds of Americans have accepted this. The media now understand this. Even an increasing number of Republicans in Congress are coming to terms with the realities of Iraq; Senator Chuck Hagel writes, "The time for more U.S. troops in Iraq has passed."

Yet at the same time, as Josh Marshall astutely notes, President Bush is largely checking out on the Iraq issue, allowing for a continuation of the disastrous policies that have led us to this situation. Yes, he and the Vice President are in the Middle East meeting with leaders in the region in the hopes of drawing them into the process and ultimately finding a way to alleviate the violence. But they still refuse to concede that it is time to begin extricating American forces from Iraq, or even that Iraq is in a state civil war. And as a result, with each passing day the White House becomes less and less relevant, further ceding the domestic debate to the Democrats, even the generally more hawkish members of whom are becoming more clear in their positions about the war.



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How do you think this gaping hole in discourse is going to play out?  


by Matt Stoller on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 02:14:14 PM EST

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I think that it represents a real turning point, in fact. With the politicians taking at least somewhat of a break from the debate (at least relative to the period leading up to the election), it seems to be that the common wisdom has the opportunity to catch up with th reality of the situation.

Then again, it could simply be that Iraq is deteriorating so quickly and so profoundly that it is impossible for the establishment to maintain its longstanding reticence to call a spade a spade and admit that there is a civil war occurring in Iraq.

Either way, it's clear that the notion that the supposedly divisive and damaging Majority Leader race indicated that the Democrats either could not or would not take aggressive moves to change American policy towards Iraq is either hasty or just plain wrong.


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by Jonathan Singer on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 02:30:59 PM EST
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Clearly the gap between Administration/FOX talking points and reality is going to hurt President's approval and FOX's ratings.  FOX may be able to adapt, since it is a finiancial as well as a political endeavor.  Certainly BushCo appears incapable of accepting reality publicly; I wonder about their ability to do so privately as well.  Rove seems capable of serving himself up some powerful Kool-Aid and passing the contagion to others that he shares too much space with.

As far as the rest of the GOP, to me it seems that they are (rather publicly) struggling for a way to close the gap.  Those that survived or got a bye in Nov. seem to have taken the hint.  M$M can crow all they want about 'conservative Democrats', the insiders know that it's open season on war apologists come '08.

The Baker Report seems to be the pivot that the Publicans plan to use to alter their collective course.  It cannot come fast enough for them.  Right now I think that Bush plans on largely ignoring it, and the Publicans plan on reaming him for that.  It's gonna be a long two years for The Chimp.

I'm hoping that the Democrats improve their position.  While they are still behind the curve on Iraq, they do not lag nearly as much as the Publicans.  The bottom line is that this is King George's war, and he still has control of it; he doesn't want to move out, so we'll pretty much be there and it will get ugly.

The Democrats have to seek to roll the war costs back into the regular budget, investigate war profiteering and get vital programs funding (e.g. body armor and addressing the injustices that face wounded veterans when the come home like denial of benefits and having their pay docked for time in the hospital).

Basically they have to return a modicum of sanity to our handling of the insane situation we find ourselves in.  The rank-and-file will be forced to fall into line behind them and President Fucktard and VP Vader will reflexivly oppose it - satisfying their need to tell the world to suck it and providing Publicans PLENTY of space to distance themselves for '08.

BTW - I don't think this is a strategic collaberation, this is just what I think will play out.


by teknofyl on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:24:28 PM EST
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Chuck Hagel (none / 0)

is just a rat leaving a sinking ship. Hagel is not a good guy.


by Alice Marshall on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:02:21 PM EST

The level of violence is just stunning... (none / 0)

It's been stunning from the beginning but it is absolutely, completely out of control now.

I really don't know what to say about it anymore.


by Karatist Preacher on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:25:54 PM EST

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Ya know,I'm going to blow off all concern about Iraq.  Instead I have to concentrate on how best to avoid the really dim prospects of retirement consisting of living under bridges in cardboard shelters and eating out of dumpsters.


by Lasthorseman on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:45:18 PM EST

Not our action item (none / 0)

Let the president twist in the wind.

He won't listen to congress; all we can get out of offering suggestions is a piece of the blame.

We should absolutely refuse to take the "Democrats have no plan" bait.

Our role should be to question, criticize, investigate, blame, find fault with, and undermine public confidence in.


by stevehigh on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 04:28:26 PM EST

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I respectfully disagree.  Democrats should offer a coherent alternative Iraq policy, centered on a withdrawal of all U.S. military personnel by the spring of 2008.  Knowing full well that Bush & Cheney would never allow it, we can offer it without fear of political reprisal.  Also, Democrats should offer conditional funding bills for both Iraq and Afghanistan, forcing either more modest policy changes, or White House vetoes.  


The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.
by CLLGADEM on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 10:18:59 PM EST

Hoyer seems to agree, but I don't. (none / 0)

I think it will take a huge bipartisan consensus--like the one that toppled Nixon--to effect real change. Yes, we can talk about what we would do if we were in charge, but I'm not sure we as a nation have until 2008.

From the sound of things, I see a Dien Bien Phu-like disaster looming.

Personally, I think all of our forces should get out of Baghdad immediately and find defensible positions near the shore. The only thing useful they can do now is secure the oil fields near Kuwait and provide an entry point for the international forces that must someday arrive.

McCain is perhaps on the right track asking for 20,000 troops, but he's wrong by at least an order or two of magnitude. It might take a million conventional forces to stop the Rwanda-like killing that has already begun.

This time, the international community might act because an oil-revenue fueled terrorist movement--oil-fueled in the billions, not millions, of dollars--is the very definition of terrorism.

Yes, if the Democrats can lead the entire congress toward effective limitation of Bush, including a credible threat of impeachment and conviction of both the vice-president and president and perhaps the election of a consensus speaker to take the presidency, yes, then it makes sense and is probably a national imperative.

But the politics of running U.S. military and foreign policy from the House of Representatives with a thin, fractious majority seem very poor to me.

So I think we should let the GOP take the full weight of the blame and elect a Democrat--Kerry or Gore--to try to clean up the smoldering ruins and protect what's left of our armed forces.


by stevehigh on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 11:20:13 AM EST
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From the sound of things, I see a Dien Bien Phu-like disaster looming.

I have been thinking the same thing.


by Alice Marshall on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 11:51:12 AM EST
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If Republicans are clamming up, it means we get the coverage to ourselves.  Hopefully that's a good thing.


by Lucas O'Connor on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 11:53:04 PM EST

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It'd odd.  I remember a Saturday Night Live election special in 2000 with Will Ferrell playing a confused, frat-boy W. taking refuge under his desk because the world had been set on fire in the first few days of his hilariously incompetent administration.

Although it took a little longer, it bizarrely has all come to pass.

But it's not funny.

And they didn't predict that the former head of the Arabian Horse Association would get appointed to head FEMA.  SNL writers just ain't that good.

And, finally, here's the sad part: this lousy, unfunny sketch is going to last another 786 days.

And the fires this Bush set will burn far beyond those days.


by maconblue on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 11:56:56 PM EST

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There is one sure way to get our troops out fast...as Randi Rhodes on Air America keeps saying, make all war profiteering illegal and watch the corporations who are politically fueling this war, from all sides, fall all over each other trying to get out! Watch the pols find a political solution, quick! The people of neither Iraq nor America want this war....so who the hell wants it anyway? Well, who else but those who are raking in the profits?

How much more basic can it get than that?


by nancygeorge on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 03:23:24 PM EST


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