Thoughts On Thanksgiving Thread

This morning, while waiting for my plane to board, CNN Headline News was on in the gate. Liz and I had arrived more than an hour before boarding, and even though we were not watching the television, we still had to suffer through the background noise of Michael Richards' apology roughly six times. Much to my surprise, we also had to suffer through an old advertisement, circa late 2001, that I had not heard in years. You probably remember this ad. It features hotel and restaurants workers echoing George W. Bush as he explains to Americans what is expected of them in a post-9/11 world. Point blank, we are told that we need to do nothing more than continue consuming. As long as we continue spending money, our patriotic and community duties will have been fulfilled. That was the offensive advice we were given from our leaders after 9/11: spend money. What blows my mind is that, five years later, as Bush's approval rating has dropped from 85% to 35%, and with his utterly rejected by the American populace only two weeks ago, that someone still finds that ad worth running at all.

The immediate aftermath of 9/11 was not the only time when conservatives have demanded that some of our most cherished values be subsumed into consumerism. A large part of the so-called War On Christmas (are they holding that again this year?) centers around conservative demands that private retail companies prominently display slogans like "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays." Personally, do not understand why anyone would want their religious beliefs subsumed into what tend to be the tacky and often crass decorations of private corporations. However, since these demands seem to come from the same people who told us that there was no difference between patriotism and consumerism (even that consumerism was the highest form of patriotism), clearly there is some powerful urge on the part of conservatism to express all of its values within, and subsume all of its values to, the commercial realm.

It is in this environment that I, for one, welcome and cherish Thanksgiving while it lasts. Thanksgiving is a holiday that has, for nearly two decades, been all but abandoned as a commercial enterprise. Malls and airports have had no problem displaying Christmas-themed decorations weeks before Thanksgiving for may years now. Advertising of all kinds has all but skipped Thanksgiving, and now we see Christmas-giving related ads starting in early November. Many Christmas movies have already opened, but you don't even see many television specials on it anymore. In short, our consumer culture has waged a successful and thoroughgoing war on Thanksgiving. At this point, Thanksgiving is all but dead as an element in consumer culture.

Despite it's consumer death, Thanksgiving is still celebrated around the country. In fact, nationwide, it may have more participants than any other holiday. People gather, spend time with their families and loved ones, and give thanks. It is tasteful, meaningful, private, and yet nearly universal. If only more of our holidays could be like this, I would be pretty happy. Even if I don't eat turkey anymore, this is truly one of my favorite holidays, since we don't have to be big consumers to spend time with one another. I hope you are able to have a truly happy Thanksgiving, and spend it with the people you love.

This is an open thread for all things Thanksgiving.



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Great write up

Aside from the boon for airlines and grocery stores, Thanksgiving is probably our most anti-commericial holiday.

Virtually everyone gets the day off.  Nobody shops (except for gas and those last minute things).  

Of course, there is one important aspect that is being missed.  Thanksgiving is the official kick-off for the Christmas holiday spending binge, with day after thanksgiving sales.

I hear that there are numerous stores going so far as to open at midnight(!) on friday.  

Its just plain wrong.


by JJCPA on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:36:18 PM EST

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But that will interfere with day's the final raid on the leftovers!


by mlr701 on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:44:10 PM EST
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My sentiments exactly.


by Oregon Bear on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:39:09 PM EST

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My favorite holiday, bar none.


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by DanielUA on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:39:12 PM EST

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Since you feel this way about it Cris, and you probably need a break, I will call off my annual War on Thanksgiving. Of course, it will be twice as bad next year. And there does need to be at least one shot fired:

MYTH # 4

The Pilgrims Ate Turkey

What did the Pilgrims eat at their Thanksgiving festival? They didn't have corn on the cob, apples, pears, potatoes or even cranberries. No one knows if they had turkey, although they were used to eating turkey. The only food we know they had for sure was deer.(And they didn't eat with a fork; they didn't have forks back then.)


by blues on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:47:58 PM EST

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Exactly my thoughts. I love Thanksgiving (I still love Christmas, but for all the same reasons I love Thanksgiving and in spite of all the commercialism of it). Families gathering, sharing each other's company ... cousins rearranging our holiday schedules so we are all going to the same side of our families on the same years ... no gifts to compare, no guilt for giving less or more than others ... no phony "Thanksgiving spirit" to pay cinematic homage to ... a fairly pure holiday (the mythology being pretty easy to ignore). Love it.


by BriVT on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:52:01 PM EST

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In our family, Thanksgiving had 2nd string status. It was an ordeal for my mother, because the turkey et al., were labor intensive. Everything other than the pies needed to be done in one day, with all the stresses of playing hostess. One of the nicest Thanksgivings I had was during grad school, when I worked part-time at a hospital. The people who worked the holiday (at the hopsital) were treated to Thanksgiving dinner by people who worked all day at home (making the dinner). It made me see that the holiday didn't have to be such a burden (the dinner was a group effort), didn't have to be celebrated with biological kin, and didn't have to require travel. I've tried to avoid Thanksgiving trips ever since and have had many pleasant Thanksgivings that look nothing like a Norman Rockewell painting. Christmas is a different story....despite a secular upbringing and practice of Buddhism, I'll take Christmas with all it's tangled meanings any day.

Christmas is more commercialized, and more "controversial", yet it's a season, not a day. Football and the turkey don't take the foreground. If there's something to reflect upon, there are many opportunities for it. We're meant to give, as well as receive, the food preparation is less of a hassle (think Honey Baked Ham) and the big day is imbedded in a season for visiting, and merry making.  Plus, you get gifts!

Both holidays are filled with expectations that often can't be met and both holidays can be lonely--for those far from home, estarnged from family, or those who've outlived family and friends. Thanksgiving packs more of it into a single day, with insane lines at the airport and on major interstates. Christmas is longer and more complicated, but has more opportunities to disappoint. i suspect that's why Thanskgiving seems to get imbued with more and more meaning (and expectations) every year. Thanksgiving is a secular holiday, but originated with pushy believers and often gets a patina of religious imagery. Christmas is a religious holiday tacked over an old pagan celebration. It used to be a minor holiday compared with Easter, whose celebration  of resurrection (with seque into rabbits and chocolate) seems more fitting to the message of Christianity. The risk one runs with either holiday is expecting too much from it and from other people. Thanksgiving is assumed to be a universal day, but it was really the beginning of the end for my native American ancestors (they didn't live in Massachusetts, but you get the idea). Before we get misty-eyed and try to hold on to Thanskgiving as O'Reilly & Co. want to grab Christmas, it's important to remember that there's more than one meaning to the day. that shouldn't push away the turkey and cranberry sauce, but it should push away the bathos about ourselves and the holiday. And push away some of the other, more prosaic expectations that make it a difficult day for others.


by rich on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 05:55:42 PM EST

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In spite of the football.  When I was a kid in Marin County, CA, we didn't watch football on TV on Thanksgiving, we played it, and the muddier, the better.  There were no special movies being shown after dinner, the old farts were asleep in the chairs, the womenfolk washing up after tipsy whipped cream fights, and we kids were gettin' down and gettin' dirty. I broke by cousin's arm (accidentally) one year, and my dad was pissed because the drinking had to stop while we all trouped to the ER.  As the only girl cousin, I counted big coup that year.

It's different, a bit, now.  My son-in-law must see the Dallas Cowboys lose, my daughter wants to have a fried turkey this year, our last baby is NOT coming home for Thanksgiving but spending it with a Boston Brahmin family.  And after a hard-fought election, I am not in the mood to have  Thanksgiving dinner at my house, even though I will be giving a lot of thanks this year.  Our daughter and her family are hosting.  I am bringing fried turkey, sweet potatoes, and pecan pie.

Right now the Texas pecan pies are in the oven, the marshmallows for Thanksgiving breakfast cocoa  are made and drying, and the sweet potatoes (without marshmallows, thank you very much) are mashed, seasoned, scooped into a casserole and topped with a nutty streusel and in the fridge.  Tomorrow I am going to read a mystery, pet the dog and wear slippers all day.  If we are very, very lucky, it may be cold enough tomorrow night here in South Texas for a hot buttered rum after dinner. But I will be missing my baby on Thursday, but giving thanks with a hopeful heart, for we have taken our country back.


by dksbook on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 06:08:30 PM EST

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I love Thanksgiving because it has always been about getting together with friends & family, eating more than necessary, and taking a 4 day weekend off.

In college I would gather for the weekend with a handful of friends who were far away from home.  We would plan the meal the day before and cook for most of Thanksgiving Day.  We were all learning how to do Thanksgiving together and having a blast in the process.  Of course the first year it meant we didn't eat until 11pm as we forgot to thaw the turkey.

As recently as last year we invited a mix of people over for a non-turkey dinner on the weekend after going through the formal affair on Thursday.  It was fun to continue the friends & family spirit, even if it wasn't on the day of.


by Natural on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 07:10:44 PM EST

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"In fact, nationwide, it may have more participants than any other holiday. People gather, spend time with their families and loved ones, and give thanks. It is tasteful, meaningful, private, and yet nearly universal."

This is one of my favorite things about Thanksgiving. It isn't religious, but it's thoroughly American. Everyone's participating,  but because what it takes to be a full participant is so simple--get together as a family and eat--it gets expressed in a huge variety of ways, and they all count. Every family has their own special dishes that it's not Thanksgiving without, but they're all different. And when two families from different cultures come together either through marriage or friendship or whatever reason, they bring their own food to the table and share it. It's corny, but it's a symbol of what The First Thanksgiving--mythical though it may have been--was all about. It's a symbol of what's best about America, that out of many, we are one.


by Gpack3 on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 07:17:26 PM EST

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Happy Thanksgiving. :)

We should have a "I am thankful for..." open thread, obviously. If we don't, then at least I can practice it here...

I am thankful that a couple weeks ago, for the first ages, I woke up with the feeling that next year will be better than last. It feels good, really good.


by dreamer on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 07:27:39 PM EST

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I've decided to skip the whole turkey deal this year. It is so labor intensive and I always end up pigging out starving myself before or after.  All the younguns in my family on island work in the restaurant industry so they are at work on Thanksgiving.  Usually I cook and they fall by later or the next day, but not this year.

I have a nice lean steak I'll cook with lotsa garlic and onions and some brown rice on the side with carrots or corn.  No desert.  Salad on the side too.


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by Keoni on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 07:57:56 PM EST

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by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 08:08:54 PM EST

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In my neighborhood and among my friends, we have had a tradition for years now of making T'day phone calls back and forth. We start days ahead of time to compare menus, recipes, turkey poundage, and guest arrangements, commiserating on impending family visits when approriate.

Early on T'day, the calls go back and forth tracking progress on basting, browning, and the intricacies of gravies, casseroles and merengue.

Our kids learned early to make last minute rush deliveries of missing ingredients to the moms of their friends.

Afterwards, there are still leftover recipes to be discussed, as well as the post-dinner analysis of recipe success or - occasional - failure.

 


by roooth on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:00:54 PM EST

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Ugh, I guess it's up to me to play curmudgeon: I hate Thanksgiving. It's a celebration of genocide and national hypocrisy. And I hate all the traditional food associated with it, too. I haven't been home for Thanksgiving since I left for college 14 years ago.

I'm not too fond of Christmas, either, but I'll save that for a few more weeks...


by shagraha on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:59:44 PM EST

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Well, I'm all for the War against Thanksgiving too. Although I've called off the dogs this year for sentimental reasons. Next year, WHAMMO!!!


by blues on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 10:15:59 PM EST
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I love Thanksgiving.  For our family it's all about getting together with family in an atmosphere we seldom do, the entire day devoted to nothing but hanging out with each other.  The history of it all is over looked really as it's the being with people you cherish that counts.

Don't forget though, Black Friday the biggest shopping day of the year!


by tomanjeri on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 11:20:59 PM EST

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If you didn't see this, boy does it fit:

http://deepconfusion.blogspot.com/search ?q=thank+you+george+bush


by HopeSpringsATurtle on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 11:30:39 PM EST

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Thanksgiving as a holiday was saved by its proximity to Christmas. That and the fact that it is always on Thursday.


by muledriver on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 01:47:49 AM EST

Why I love Thanksgiving (none / 0)

My Menu:
Brined-Roast Turkey
Green Bean Casserole
Broccoli Rice And Cheese Casserole
Smoked Ham
Asparagus
Mashed Potatoes
Creamed Sweet Potatoes
Apple-Sausage Cornbread stuffing
Giblit Gravy
Apple Pie
Pumpkin Pie
Pecan Pie
Ice Cream
Beer
Wine

and My Family:
Mom
Dad
Mom-in-law
Wife
Daughter
(Fetus! No wine for my wife).

Whatever the origins of the holiday... I like it.


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by NCDem on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 09:41:39 AM EST

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i think Thanksgiving may be my favorite holiday.
it "died" because it is not consumer oriented. it is home and household oriented.  its is a four day affair, and other than July 4th, it is the only true US holiday.

it doesn't sell, so the corporate world does not know what to do with it, except to encroach Market Christmas on it.


The sleep of reason begets monsters. -- Francisco Jose de Goya
by joe in oklahoma on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 11:20:36 AM EST

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I agree-it's a sad commentary that one of the most distinctly "American" of our holidays would be the one our consumer culture would relegate to the dead; however, it doesn't offer much thematically.  If you're giving thanks it's hard to say "you need to buy this" because it doesn't fit the mood.  


by jjhare on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 11:41:11 AM EST


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