In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems Often Stood Alone

I am going to move on after this, but I need to get one more rant on this off my chest on the whole Carville / Dean / close races thing. First check out how Hotline on Call breaks down Carville's claims seat by seat:
14 Democratic candidates lost by 2 points or less, but many of the campaigns were funded to the hilt by the DCCC. Lois Murphy certainly can't blame her loss in PA 06 on inadequate funding; the DCCC spent over $3 million on her behalf. Patricia Madrid (NM 01) also had plenty of money - her razor-thin loss came because of an embarrassing gaffe at a debate. Mary Jo Kilroy (OH 15), Darcy Burner (WA 08), Phil Kellam (VA 02), Christine Jennings and Tammy Duckworth (IL 06) were all among the top-funded candidates by the DCCC. (In Jennings' case, the money was funneled through the Florida Democratic party.)

And in some conservative districts, the DCCC strategically declined to spend money because they felt national advertising from Democrats would hurt their candidates. Gary Trauner, who narrowly lost to Rep. Barbara Cubin (R-WY AL), was the "victim" of such thinking.

That leaves 6 other races where more money could potentially have made a difference. Larry Kissell, who lost by less than 1 percent to Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC 08), certainly would have benefited from some cash; the DCCC didn't give his campaign a dime. But it wasn't a lack of DCCC funds, it was a lack of strategic foresight in this case.

Linda Stender did better-than-expected against Rep. Mike Ferguson (R-NJ 07), but the DCCC would have had to enter the extremely-costly New York media market. Without the benefit of Monday morning quarterbacking, would that have been a worthwhile investment?

The losing Democratic candidates that legitimately could have a beef are: Tessa Hafen (NV 03), Dan Maffei (NY 25), Victoria Wulsin (OH 02) and Eric Massa (NY 29). These candidates ran in the type of third-tier races where the DCCC was only able to fund late. The New York environment was uniquely favorable this year, and another week of attack ads against Rep. Jim Walsh (R) perhaps could have brought him down.
I would like to add something to this. You know who was trying to fund the seats that the DCCC left out? The evil, barbaric, left-wing netroots. The Dailykos / MyDD / Swing State Project Act Blue page raised money for Gary Trauner (since August), Larry Kissell (since June), Linda Stender (since June), and Eric Massa (since March). And in 2005, we seriously helped pave the way for Victoria Wulsin in OH-02 by adopting Paul Hackett in the special election in that district. Altogether, in the 2005-2006 cycle via Act Blue, the netroots dumped more than $1.7M, or 10% of total Act Blue donations, into the seven districts listed above that were not heavily targeted by the DCCC. And if there is one major regret I have about this campaign season, it is that I personally didn't do enough to raise money and build netroots infrastructure for Dan Maffei in NY-25, the district where I grew up. One canvassing trip and a few hundred bucks is just not enough for me to feel satisfied with my contributions there. But at least I tried.

If Carville wants to complain about money being left on the table, I didn't see him jumping on board with the netroots fueled Use It or Lose It campaign, designed to drive more money into districts just like the seven Hotline listed above. I also don't see him criticizing Hillary Clinton despite the huge amount of money she left on the table and the three narrow losses we suffered in my homeland, Western New York. But I wonder how many big-money Democratic "leaders" even noticed what happened in Western New York this year, since it has been long ignored and inexcusably written off as a conservative bastion for some time. In three different seats, we were inches away form sweeping the region, and making the Rochester Democratic Caucus a reality. We had these seats. We should have won these seats. We were leading in all polls in the NY-25 and NY-29 heading into Election Day. Whoever is at fault for coming up just short there, it certainly is not the netroots. We were a major part of bringing what little noise there was to the region and to many of the other seats that the national party ignored. Along with Jack Davis in NY-26, who refused to campaign, I think some of the big-money people form New York City who are supporting Carville's efforts need to look themselves in the mirror for this one, and make certain that it is a high priority we do not come up just short in Western New York once again in 2008.

If Carville wants to blame someone for this, he should note that the netroots, the same people who give Howard Dean a 96% approval rating, could hardly be any more squeaky clean in our efforts in the close seats that we lost. We stepped up in these seats, big time. When Carville criticizes Howard Dean, keep in mind that he is using Howard Dean as a placeholder to attack the entire progressive netroots and the entire progressive movement on behalf of big donors and consultants who once again want to rule the party with an iron fist. But we were the ones fighting for these seats, tooth and nail, along with local Democrats on the ground. National Democrats from the corporate wing of the party were nowhere to be found in these races.

End rant.



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I wondered about Madrid (none / 0)

What was the so-called embarrassing gaffe? It seemed like she was on track to win that race.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:39:29 PM EST

Re: I wondered about Madrid (none / 0)

In her debate, when Wilson asked her about raising taxes, she went blank and took some time in answering and fudged the response.

So of courese the Wilson team cut and pasted that portion in to a commercial that made it look even worse and kept playing it over and over.

Most people knew she was better than that, it was clearly just a stupid "gaffe" , but obviously others only had that commercial to go by and chose POORLY.


by LindainCincinnati on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:14:42 PM EST
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Re: I wondered about Madrid (none / 0)

Here's the ad it led to.


by Adam B on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:06:30 PM EST
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Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (none / 0)

When Carville criticizes Howard Dean, keep in mind that he is using Howard Dean as a placeholder

How do you know? Maybe he is just criticizing Dean. I think Atrios is correct, we need data. What did Dean do with the 50 state strategy? What did the state organizers do and was it effective? What about the DSCC and DCCC, what did they do and was it effective.

I suspect the answer to these questions is that in some states the DNC, DSCC, and DCCC were effective and in some states they were not. If we knew what worked where we could build on that success.


by Alice Marshall on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:52:04 PM EST

Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (none / 0)

Here read this for some good data:

"Looking at all 22 candidates hand-picked by Rahm, we find that 13 were defeated, and only 8 won! (3) (One is still undecided.) And remember that this was the year of the Democratic tsunami and that Rahm's favorites were handsomely financed by the DCCC. Tammy Duckworth, for example, was infused with $3 million and was backed in the primary by HRC, Barack Obama, John Kerry, etc. The Dems have picked up 28 seats so far, maybe more. So out of that 28, Rahm's choices accounted for 8! Since the Dems only needed 15 seats to win the House, Rahm's efforts were completely unnecessary. Had the campaign rested on Rahm's choices, there would have been only 8 or 9 new seats, and the Dems would have lost. In fact, Rahm's efforts were probably counterproductive for the Dems since the great majority of voters were antiwar and they were voting primarily on the issue of the war (60% according to CNN). But Rahm's candidates were not antiwar.

So Rahm Emanuel nearly seized defeat from the jaws of victory."

full article here:
http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh1111200 6.html


by LindainCincinnati on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:10:34 PM EST
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How about a less blatantly anti-Rahm story... (none / 0)

Gee, could that article be ANY more biased? I'd like to see who they consider Rahm's "hand picked candidates".


by OfficeOfLife on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:16:00 PM EST
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Just as I thought (none / 0)

They short-change Rahm. Giffords was a Rahm recruit, and I believer Perlmutter was as well. Also Mike Arcuri.

They're counting Busby as a Rahm "recruit"? Hogwash. She ran in 2004 as a token candidate and was in the right place at the right time in 2006. Rahm did not hand-pick her. They also count a primary loss as a "loss" for Rahm here. Plus they're blaming all the 2004 repeat candidates like Farrell and Murphy on Rahm, when both of them did very well the first time around and were very wise and strong choices for 2006.

It's 11-11 AT WORST for Rahm.


by OfficeOfLife on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:24:41 PM EST
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Re: Just as I thought (none / 0)

Here's the skinny on some of Rahm's "recruits":  both Giffords and Harry Mitchell were planning on running ANYWAY.

I love how he now says he's a master recruiter like Bobby Bowden.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:02:41 PM EST
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Who chose Tammy Duckworth? (none / 0)

It's rarely posted, but I've seen it once or twice: Sen Dick Durbin selected Tammy, not Rahm. This is from Illinois campaign insiders.


by Books Alive on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 07:17:47 PM EST
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Re: Who chose Tammy Duckworth? (none / 0)

That's true. And Duckworth told Durbin he had to get her money to win both the primary and the general before she committed. Everybody knew to win this seat was going to take big $$. Money Cegelis was never going be able to raise after making enemies out of the Illinois Dem powers that be. As it was it cost over $17 million total.

Emanuel claims he needed another million from Dean for Duckworth's commercials the last weekend.
I know he finally had a good one in the can about Iraq that would have helped Tammy and all other Dems in the Chicago TV market reminding folks what they hate about Republicans. It never made it on the air. Maybe he thought he had a promise from Dean to go all in at the finish, I don't know. If that's what Carville's talking about he has has a point. Remember how angry people were at Kerry for having $15 million in the bank after the election in 2004? Seems to me if you borrow $10 million at the end of an election that may be a once in a lifetime opportunity you don't save it for hiring field operatives in Paducah next spring. If Dean had money left - and I've read half that $10 million is in the bank - he should have spent it somewhere.

Larry Kissell won Emanuel's one day DCCC volunteer contest back in Sept? by turning out a phenomenal 1000 supporters on a Saturday when we at the Duckworth campaign thought we were a lock with about 700. Kissell got a DCCC fundraising email all to himself which should have netted him about $25,000 so I think Hotline has that wrong.

Rahm lost 14 lbs. traveling nonstop and his 11 year old son quit talking to him when he called home for being away for the last 6 months. The guy personally sacrificed a lot. He raised $120 million bucks for Democrats and you know damn well that some of that money would have gone to Republicans otherwise. He expanded the number of races funded to 4 tiers. A lot of candidates got money at the end to run commericals they never thought they'd see.

He didn't do a perfect job and you may not want to have meal with him but I'm glad he's on our side. You want to stick a knife in someone? Why not find Tom Reynolds and write some nasty shit to him about the robocalls? Republicans are the enemy, not Rahm, Carville, Dean and certainly not Tammy Duckworth. There's a whole lot of good candidates out here in suburban Chicago in smaller races who need a high profile candidate like her to get some attention. We got that here for the first time in a long, long time.

 


by markg8 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 08:43:40 PM EST
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Re: Who chose Tammy Duckworth? (none / 0)

Sorry, man, but Rahm is NOT on our side.  I'd bet you he'd smash the netroots like a big if he could.

He is the penultimate insider who cares only about Rahm.  The man made $18million for that 11yo son and the rest of his family in just THREE short years between being at the WH and being n Congress.

I am sorry, but losing 14lbs or not losing 14lbs, I am surely not playing my violin for Rahm Emanuel or crying for him.  Boo hoo, poor powerful and rich Rahm.

Maybe Carville could have babysat more for him and helped our cause that way.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 09:37:27 PM EST
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Re: Who chose Tammy Duckworth? (none / 0)

J you just don't get it. We need all kinds even guys
who went to New Trier, studied ballet and fought in the Israeli Army. He's a guy who can go into a group
of people that you, I, Howard Dean, and Bill Clinton have nothing in common with and come out with a couple of million dollars for the cause. A couple of million that might otherwise go into Republican coffers. Now lemme ask you, would you rather have Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi running the Senate and  House agendas or would you rather fight corporate America from the minority for awhile longer? I'm glad we have rich fucks on our side willing to fight for what's right.
Emanuel's one of 'em.
by markg8 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 10:16:16 PM EST
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Re: Who chose Tammy Duckworth? (none / 0)

Rahm fought in the Israeli Army?  I did not know that.  I know he has a severed finger, but I read he cut it off whilst working at Arby's.  

I agree with your post.  It does take all kinds.  He may be an asshole and an egomaniac, but he's OUR egomaniac.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:39:04 AM EST
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Re: Who chose Tammy Duckworth? (none / 0)

He did cut that finger at Arby's when he was teenager. It got infected and he damn near died. Read last Sunday's Chi. Tribune article for that kind of stuff for yourself.


by markg8 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:18:37 PM EST
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Wow, that's rich (none / 0)

Mark you really keep trying to discredit Cegelis and pump up Rahm. I suppose that has nothing to do with your being Duckworth's blog outreach person would it?

How exactly do you know that Cegelis "was never going" to be able to raise enough money to be competitive? What do you base that on? Since the local townships were supporting Cegelis, which Dems did she piss off? The ones in the Chicago machine pushing Duckworth? The ones demanding she drop out of a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? The same Democrats who complained of other candidates like Seals taking resources, media and attention from Duckworth's campaign?

If you want to understand the fundraising issues, maybe you need to read local blogger So-Called Autin Mayor's latest:

First, Christine's campaign time and again met the fundraising benchmarks set by Emanuel's DCCC. Fundraising goals that the campaign was assured would earn them establishment support -- only to see Dems Inc. change their story and increase their demands when her supporters, locally and on the Internet, met the DCCC fundraising challenges. The ability to raise money only became an issue when Mr. Emanuel and Mr. Durbin began openly courting potential primary challengers.

There were definitely money problems though. As Larry the Archpundit has thoroughly documented, a lot of money was wasted on various highly-compensated campaign "professionals" who added little or no value to Christine's grassroots campaign. But I must point out, that waste took place during Cegelis Team 1.5 ("Team 1.5").

Team 1.5 was the campaign crew that was mostly held over from Christine's initial insurgent run against Henry Hyde. They were still new to the game and, unfortunately, too damn naive. Team 1.5 were told by Dems Inc. that they would have to not only have to raise a hell of a lot of money -- see above -- but would have to run "a professional organization" staffed by "campaign professionals".

Yes, the very campaign "professionals" who bled Team 1.5 dry were recommended to the campaign by the same DC Dems who later lambasted the campaign for that waste.

After it became impossible to ignore the fact that the Dems Inc. folks were somewhat less than honest with deliberately undermining the campaign, Team 2.0 -- a crew of Kucinich veterans and grassroots locals -- was brought aboard, the dead-weight "professionals" were ejected and the bleeding was stopped. But the money was already gone and the campaign was crippled from that point forward.

And are you really trying to base an argument on "a good one in the can"? Seriously? How big was that fish that got away again? If it was so good, why didn't Duckwort lead with it instead of playing defense to Roskams ads continually. Why weren't there any ads featuring pictures of Roskam at one of his fundraisers with Bush, Cheney or Rove? Why nothing but GOP wedge issue ads? Roskam is extreme! Extreme I tell you! Why not ads with Bush, Cheney or Rove about Roskam is for stay the course? Come on. A last minute "good one in the can" for that last minute media buy for all that air time that wasn't available any more. Ain't buying it.

Duckworth outraised Roskam. She had all the support from the DCCC and national party figures like Durbin with Obama cutting ads for her. She was matching Roskam's ads. They just weren't very effective. Banning Dr. Suess? Is that really a buring issue? The principal not be able to expell students looked at first to be pro-Roskam, and was intellectually dishonest. Schools are under local control of a localy elected school board. Last I checked, Iraq and Bush were the issues that resonated with BOTH Republicans and Independents and energized the base. Where were these ads?

Worst case senerio with Cegelis would have been Congressman Roskam. Which is what we now have. Duckworth, even with more money and the best "professionals" wound up with this worst case senerio.

But her campaign also fractured the base, hurt the grassroots organization that was growing in DuPage, dumped millions into media buys rather than infrasructure, and left us in a postion where we will have to start over against a sitting incumbent in 2008.

I don't think Cegelis could have done any worse if she tried.


Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 10:19:30 AM EST
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Re: Wow, that's rich (none / 0)

I wasn't anything but an unpaid volunteer for Duckworth. As I said in that post at Soapblox Chi. back in July "I told them I wanted to do blog outreach and netroots stuff" and they said go ahead. I was not "Duckworth's blog outreach person" Michael so you can stop repeating Kenneth Burrell's BS now.  

I've been writing the same criticisms of the DCCC "Dr. Suess" ad campaign for Duckworth for weeks. Unfortunately she had no control over that ad and from what I've read neither did Emanuel. He turned $60 million over to Wade at the DCCC media shop and hoped for the best because by law that's all he could do.

I've read the criticism of the "guns in school" ad too. What was the law beforeschoolboards got the authority to expel a kid? Were those two competing bills at the time? Did Roskam vote for either one? I don't know myself but you might want to find that answer. Regardless I agree with you that the whole "he's too extreme" campaign misfired. If they'd painted Roskam as the DeLay wannabe he is and run a few Iraq ads Duckworth would have won easily for a lot less money. There was nothing stopping you or anyone else from contacting the DCCC begging them to pull them and come up with something better like I did.
Carville had the same criticism for the DCCC because Stan Greenburg's polling showed him people were sick of Rovian negativity.        

Some numbers for you. They were mostly put together by Bored Now at Soapblox Chicago:

2006 General Election Results in IL-06
Peter  Roskam      90,208  51.4%
Tammy  Duckworth   85,398  48.6%

2004 General Election Results in IL-06
     149,868 Kerry   46%
     176,488 Obama   67%
     139,627 Hyde    55.8%
     110,470 Cegelis 44.2%

2002 General Election Results in IL-06
     113,174 Hyde    65.1%
      60,698 Berry   34.9%

2000 General Election Results in IL-06
     133,327 Hyde         58.9%
      92,880 Christensen  41.1%

Look at those results. In a presidential election year when she should have pulled coatails from Obama and even some from Kerry the people of the 6th thought so much of Cegelis they came out and gave Hyde who hardly campaigned at all over 6000 more votes than they gave him in the previous close presidential year (2000) when they were still irritated with him over the Clinton impeachment and his youthful indiscretion hypocrisy.  

And how much money did it take Hyde to beat Christine?

2003-2004
Henry Hyde        Total Spent: $804,197
Christine Cegelis Total Spent: $186,947

He didn't break a sweat fundraising and outraised her over 4 to 1.

Here are the numbers for Roskam-Duckworth
Latest Report: 10/18/2006

Duckworth              Spent: $2,787,199
Roskam                 Spent: $2,412,356

Final totals are D - 3.62 million to R - 3.2 million if I remember correctly and doesn't include the NRCC, RNC, DCCC and all the interest group money spent on the race. Overall this race cost over $17 million.

Christine closed out her 2006 campaign spending at about $363,000. It took her 16 months to raise that money and Roskam had a million in the bank on primary day after declaring 10 months earlier. Duckworth raised about $750,000 and spent about a
half million by primary day after entering the race 4 months earlier.    

With that kind of fundraising Christine has no chance in this district. Especially when she's made enemies out of Illinois party leaders. This isn't a cheap broadcast market and you just can't win this seat without an airgame.

I want to build a party out here in DuPage that can help get our other candidates elected. We'll never get that help with people who think they can defy the world and build their own little fiefdom in the marquee race on the ticket. Any candidate in the 6th is going to need the help of our senators, the DCCC and be able to raise lots of money on her own. With Christine at the top of the county ticket you can kiss off Durbin, Obama, Emanuel helping out here because shechose to burn those bridges. As it was we didn't get a dime from the DNC or anybody else in south DuPage because Joe Shannon knocked off Bill Reedy, Dean's chosen candidate in the primary. We did get $43,000 from the DCCC for election day doorhangers with the names of our downballot candidates on one side and Tammy's on the other in the 6th. Tammy's volunteers hit some precincts with those two and three times on 11-7. It wasn't much but it was something.  

 


by markg8 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 01:56:30 PM EST
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Not so fast (none / 0)

I agree with some of what you've written believe it or not. But this part still grossly distorts what happened:

We'll never get that help with people who think they can defy the world and build their own little fiefdom in the marquee race on the ticket. Any candidate in the 6th is going to need the help of our senators, the DCCC and be able to raise lots of money on her own. With Christine at the top of the county ticket you can kiss off Durbin, Obama, Emanuel helping out here because shechose to burn those bridges.

Serious, where do you get your sources? This is so far off reality it would be funny if I didn't live here and experience it first hand.

Durbin and Obama both pledged their support to Christine if she won the primary - Durbin in writting and Obama personally via phonecall.  Emmanuel withheld support and probably would have if Christine won, instead publicly through surrogates and privately to just about anyone who he could talk into running undercutting her campaign. He wants to win that bad you know. So badly he undercut a local candidate and tried to run her out of a Democratic primary. Want to tell me who wants that fiefdom again?

As to burning bridges, exactly how did she do this since no one from their offices or Duckworth's campaign contacted her after the primary, and the only contact prior was tell her to drop out or that she was a loser, or to threaten her volunteers with their political careers. She freed her people to work for anyone they wanted - inculding Duckworth. She stuck up for people who suggested that her organization should go work for Duckworth less than a week after the primary.

She ran for office as was her or anyone's right,  and nearly beat the weight of the entire national party. How dare she do that! The nerve. If you call that burning bridge then we are not on the same side of the isle as that sounds much more like a GOP call for unity than a Democratic set of values. There was no reach out, contrarary to what was said in the Tribune. Again, I'll cite Austine Mayor, but could as easily cite any number of other local bloggers:

Some of them were no doubt turned off by the DC Dem's ham-fisted power-play -- not everyone loathes Peter Roskam enough to bite their tongue, swallow their pride and fall in line behind the nominee like I did -- but even more of them were not just turned off by the Duckworth campaign, but actually turned away. Repeated efforts to reach out to the nominee's team were rebuffed -- often in the snidest and snottiest terms.

I don't know if they were embarrassed because their primary race was razor close or if they simply have no respect for grassroots workers, but the early message from the Duckworth team was crystal clear. It couldn't have been clearer if the folks in the nominee's camp literally said, "We don't need Cegelis workers. We don't want Cegelis volunteers. Fuck you and fuck off!"

Regarding Tammy's ground game, I keep hearing about it but I didn't see it. Maybe wasn't in a targeted area or something, but you'd swear Roskam was running unopposed in my neck of IL-06. Or maybe my area was so much more pro-Cegelis that it was just written off. There have also been accounts of her field being less than optimal from people who aren't wet behind the ears volunteers.

Regarding Christine's numbers against Hyde, she did better than anyone had done previously against him, with no help what so ever from the state or national party, and only started campaigning a short time prior to the primary, in her very first run for office. You're giving Duckworth a lot of credit for things she often just had to show up for. She had a great story and got better as a candidate, but she made plenty of mistakes as a candidate as well.

If you compare numbers, try looking at what Tom Berry did in 2002. With no money and no campaigning he pulled in only approx 14,000 votes less in DuPage than did Duckworth in 2006 (this is off the top of my head, so feel free to verify). He was running in an off year that saw great GOP support as opposed to Duckworth running in a year that saw a Democratic wave and anti-Bush, anti-GOP sentiment at it highest in years.

Duckworth raised at least $3.2 million and had the entire party behind her. Yet even with Obama cutting ads, Emmanuel dropping millions, Durbin holding meet and greets, the best ad people in Democratic politics, she could only pull in 14,000 more votes than a guy who didn't raise anything, didn't campaign, and was running against a 30-year incumbent. $3.2M = 14,000 votes approximately?

I'd hope we could agree that Duckworth's campaign underperformed. Disappointingly so. Cegelis had the right message for this election: Anti-Bush, anti-War, anti-GOP. Cegelis could have done no worse, and left the party in a better place locally than what Duckworth's campaign has.

So enough of this. Time to move on. You stop slamming Christine and I'll drop it. Who you going to back for 2008? It's time to take out Roskam.


Witty comment goes here...
by michael in chicago on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 02:55:22 PM EST
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Not so fast youself (none / 0)

Durbin and Obama both pledged their support to Christine if she won the primary - Durbin in writing and Obama personally via phonecall.

Hedging their bets.

Emmanuel withheld support and probably would have if Christine won, instead publicly through surrogates and privately to just about anyone who he could talk into running undercutting her campaign.

Duckworth was Durbin's choice. Who do you think got Hillary and Kerry to pony up that half million for the Obama commercials in the primary? Where do you think Emanuel got his marching orders from? Do you think he was gonna pick a fight with Illinois's senior US senator and the second most powerful man in the Senate for Cegelis?

Besides all that Emanuel had only one litmus test: can you raise your own money? Duckworth proved she could not only do that but also fair very well in the glare of the national media spotlight within weeks of declaring in December. If what you say about Emanuel undercutting Cegelis is true then it's more reason to be glad he's on our side. You can what you want about Emanuel nbut the man raiseed $120 million bucks. The netroots? $17 million. I suspect people who said they'd contribute to Christine earlier saw Tammy as the more viable candidate with or without prompting by anyone else. Rahm probably told them "if you feel you have to, blame it on me." I would.  

I read Cegelis's email to her supporters in June 2005 when she came back from DC after trying to get Emanuel and others to support her. It was "us against them" and "they'll do all they can to secretly sabotage my campaign". Reading that I was struck by how effectively if unintenionally she was cutting herself off from the powers that be. We now know that's about the time Durbin was convincing Duckworth to run.

Regarding bridgetdooley's post of 11-09:
The Duckworth campaign didn't rely on the local party infrastructure. She's right in that there just aren't enough committeemen out here for that.
We need to recruit more. The $46,000 she speaks of is the $43,000 I wrote about for the election day doorhangers Duckworth volunteers dropped all over the district. I didn't see any other Dem canvassers other than Tammy's on election day. Was
Christine's org out that day?

On the day in September Emanuel had the DCCC volunteer contest Kissell won we had over 700 people on the streets. Most of them I saw were my age, 50 or older.  

The last 3 weeks we had busloads of college kids from the city canvassing for us on the weekends. For the most part these were Northwestern, DePaul, Loyola and U. of Chicago students. Despite what bridget claims most were very committed politically, and very knowledgable. I coached them myself but most of them had canvassed before, liked canvassing, knew the issues and knew how to talk to someone on their doorsteps. I took 4 of them and myself to Addison on the Saturday and Bloomingdale/Carol Stream the Sunday of the Bears blowout of over SF. Roskam had to fly in congressional staffers to fill out his ranks in the last 2 weeks. Until the last weekend he had nowhere near the number of volunteers we had.  

Jon Carson the campaign mgr himself walked a precinct every couple of weeks which I found surprising. He said it was an instant focus group for him.  

As I said before the walk lists were old and lousy. The software was worse. If Dean wants to throw some money into infrastructure that's where we need it. That and committeemen. We need to do that ourselves. In the middle of the campaign they switched from the crappy Sage software that wouldn't update to something else. I didn't notice an improvement on my end but I hope it at least was updatable.

Each packet had google directions to the dropoff for the driver. Inside was a google map, and another map of the precinct plus the alphabetical street list along with the generic talking points. We always explained how to use the maps with the list. Anybody over the age 10 with an IQ above 80
can figure that out. Don't know why it was such a problem for bridget. Believe me the staff knew what a pain in the ass the walk lists were. They didn't need to hear about it again from bridget.  From what I've seen she likes to argue. She should do that with Republicans instead of busy Dem field organizers in the last weeks of a campaign.

The generic speech was another problem. I'm not particularly enamored of using freshfaced kids to canvass to anybody else but other young people myself. I think Dean in Ia and McGovern in 1972 proved pretty conclusively that middleaged and older people aren't inclined to take political advice from college kids. But giving them specific msgs for specific audiences can help. Whenever I met an older person I'd tell them Tammy's not going to cut Social Security. I'm 50 and I'm gonna need it when I retire and I wouldn't be doing this if that was true. When we sent the union guys and kids out their msg should have been "I'm proof positive she's not going to give away the store to illegals. Who do you think they're taking those jobs from?" Ya gotta have some value added when you're on the doorstep. I'd give my kids those spiels and tell them to always, always send them to the website for more.  

As for the rest of her criticisms of Tammy she's just full of shit. Bridget really has no idea how to win the the 6th, she's just regurgitating the same stuff all 20,000 Cegelis supporters believe. That might work here or on Soapblox Chi. but 99%  
of IL-06 is nothing like these blogs.

Nobody ran Cegelis out of the Democratic primary. She ran her campaign and she lost and I don't hear anybody bitching about Lindy Scott undercutting her candidacy.  

Want to tell me who wants that fiefdom again? Be my guess the fiefdom Rahm wants is national not in DuPage and frankly not just Illinois.

Gotta dispute that "best ad people in Democratic politics". The DCCC ads sucked as we've both said.

I'd hope we could agree that Duckworth's campaign underperformed.

Sorry I don't see it your way. Which is the same way you've always seen it Michael: Cegelis = good Duckworth = bad.

Duckworth withstood a $10 million dollar campaign against her and yes, most of it was against her. Roskam spent less than $2 million on his "Daddy knows best even though he's going bald" and "Ozzie and Harriet don't wear speedos" commercial. They impugned her integrity, passed around rumors she lost her legs in a motorcycle accident, spent millions of dollars all but calling her an illegal alien smuggler, photoshopped her eyes in TV ads to make her look "scary" Asian and then claimed the "local candidate" won. They robocalled
people incessantly with deceptive phonecalls until
they were screaming at us to leave them alone. They published her home phone number in one of their ads and the phone didn't stop ringing until she hooked a fax machine up to it. Through it all she worked tirelessly and what's most surprising cheerfully. She's the most upbeat person I think I've ever met.

In the end after all that Tammy lost by 1.8% with  unnumbered ballots counted on Diebold tabulators and TSX touchscreen machines in Dupage County where the Republican machine controls everything.

Her staff worked their hearts out and their asses off. There was never any office politics, backbiting or jockeying for position like I've seen on other campaigns. They were thoroughly professional and I'm proud to have been associated with them. I hope they'll be back in 2008, if not with Tammy then with somebody else around here.  

I'm never gonna see it your way Michael cuz I was there day in and day out I know better than your sources what happened good and bad. And unlike them the only axe I have to grind is how to do it better so we can actually win here. There's a number of people - and like it not you're one of them - who wanted to see Duckworth fail. But making stuff up and trying to turn that in the CW won't help anybody but Roskam win next time.

I agree with this: So enough of this. Time to move on. You stop slamming Tammy and I'll drop it too. It's about as much fun as arguing with family on Thanksgiving.


by markg8 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 08:36:57 PM EST
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Good analogy (none / 0)

Thankgiving talking politics. Still family though when all is said and done, even if I don't care much for my idiot cousin Mark (kidding).

Two points and a question:

As for the rest of her criticisms of Tammy she's just full of shit. Bridget really has no idea how to win the the 6th, she's just regurgitating the same stuff all 20,000 Cegelis supporters believe. That might work here or on Soapblox Chi. but 99%  of IL-06 is nothing like these blogs.

Nobody ran Cegelis out of the Democratic primary. She ran her campaign and she lost and I don't hear anybody bitching about Lindy Scott undercutting her candidacy.  

First, I cited Bridget's comment, but she's not the only person to make these claims. She's not some volunteer, but has run campaigns and is trained. She may not know how to win in the 6th, but apparently you don't either as, remember, it's now Congressman Roskam.

IL-06 is more like this blogs than you'd like to think. Definately not as progressive, but definately not Pro-Bush or Pro-Iraq at the moment. Roskam campagned with Cheney who's approval in DuPage is what? 20% Sounds a lot like these blogs to me.

And regarding SbC, I know the people who post on that blog. I worked side by side with many of them. They live in the district, they're active in the district, and they all worked for candidates in the district. But that blog isn't like the district? Check your polling on issues. I think you'll find that the major issues with voters in IL-06 are quite similar to those viewed as major issues on the blogs.

I'm pushing a point here and understand the fault in my argument. But you're trying to paint bloggers as left wing fringe whackos again. That isnt' going to fly here as the message your candidate was pushing didn't resonate or she would have won easily.

As to your second point of attempts to push Cegelis out of the primary, you really have not idea what you're talking about. Really.

No one complains about Lindy because he ran his own campaign, represented his segment of the voters well, and ran a good clean campaign. I respect Lindy. I didn't agree with his positions as much as Christine's though. In the end, I didn't hear much about Duckworth reaching out to his volunteers or about his not campaigning for Duckworth either. Again, big mistake as he had a real connection with the Hispanic community in IL-06. Or are you going to tell me that Hispanics don't exist in IL-06, just rich white Republicans?

So to my question: Now what? You going to push for Tammy to run again? Do you still believe that a centrist approach that ignores the base is the approach to take in IL-06? Candidate bashing aside, what are you thoughts on the race.


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by michael in chicago on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 10:15:20 AM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

I'd take umbrage at that insult but what little umbrage I have left I'm saving for Republicans.

Let's talk about how Duckworth lost. I think we can agree on these two points, neither of which are the fault of her or her campaign.

First was the decision by the DCCC media arm to run attack ads against Roskam for being too extreme. Those ads were factually correct but irrelevant to this year's election. The first one, the Dr. Suess ad was so over the top Roskam put Dr. Suess rhymes up on his website and made what I call the Ozzie & Harriet speedo commercial to prove just what a regular guy he is. He told supporters he and the family actually went to the Little House on the Prairie museum in East Jesus SD or wherever it is on vacation. Even though he admitted to Eric Zorn he indeed wanted to ban that anthology in public schools (because of other stories he said glorified violence and the occult) nobody believed he wanted to ban Dr. Suess and LHP. If they had Roskam on record saying Harry Potter books glorified the occult that might have had something. I waited on hold one day for 10 minutes to his campaign HQ but they never did answer the question.

That ad was too cute by half and came from some idiots' thinking Rove's methods will work for us too. They don't. Just when a lot of voters were starting to make up their minds and for many of them thinking about doing something they rarely do, vote in a midterm and for some do what they hardly ever do, vote for a Democrat that ad undercut Tammy's credibility. To many low info voters it made her look like just another bullshit artist willing to say anything to get elected.  

Republicans can get away with bullshit because people like being told they can have a free lunch of lower taxes and cheap gas forever. If you're going to be the adult in the race your credibility has to be rock solid so you can hammer him on those issues. The reality that the free lunch is coming out of their children's and grandchildren's pockets and the lives of US servicemen are facts most don't want to face. You'd damn well better hold the moral high ground when you're telling the truth about stuff like that. That ad seriously backfired. It roused his fundy base who until that point were ready to stay home and demoralized a whole lot of indies who would have swung our way.  

A better strategy would have been to show Roskam as the Republican culture of corruption poster boy he is. The guy claimed he hardly knew DeLay months after the then House majority leader held a huge fundraiser for him in DC. He campaigned with Norquist, Mehlman, Cheney and Bush. A judge in Lake County once complained about his nuisance lawsuits. He has multiple FEC violations over the years. The Trib cited his refusal to stay bought on tort reform. The guy is FOR earmarks for chrissakes. Contrary to what you say the "rubber stamp" meme is what that should have been all about. Roskam has no record in DC because he's not an incumbent. But time and again he's bowed to and campaigned with the leadership that has given us Bushastrophe the last 6 years. Tieing him to them  should have been the central theme of the DCCC attack ads.  

The other damaging aspect was the robocalls. I think we had a big volunteer canvassing/phonebanking advantage thru most of the campaign. I guess that held true for Dems in most races around the country. To counter that Repubs mounted that robocall campaign that actually fed off that to tip it the other way. The purpose was to overload voters and piss 'em off. We'll probably never know exactly how much it hurt us but I can tell you the last two weeks were rough.
Standing on someone's windy doorstep with a D next to their name as the flurries turned to rain with your nose running and eyes watering having them  scream at you "leave me alone!" is no fun. Explaining to them the dirty trick when they're slamming the door in your face  or the phone down isn't either. It's good to see Obama and Reid have both introduced legislation to outlaw anti-democratic garbage like that. We could have done more to counter that. One guy inside the campaign claimed it was all perfectly legal because they put the NRCC sponsorship at the end and said they wanted to focus on the botched VFW endorsement. Carson said they tried to get the media to cover it the last two weeks to no avail.  

I think my idea of having volunteers call on their own phones to complain about it would have been more effective which I did myself. Granted I only came up with it the day before the election because I was so pissed. And because I was so pissed it apparently worked at channel 7 who aired a story about it on Live at Five that. Fucking with not only Democrats but democracy gets my Irish up and I think that impassioned msg came thru loud and clear.

Just curious, what winning campaigns has bridget run? I didn't run the Duckworth campaign. I just know what I saw. I've canvassed and phonebanked since 1994. I'm hardly a dilletante. I've outlined my criticisms even though I was more of an insider and if her staffers read this stuff they may not appreciate them. bridget's criticisms like so many here and elsewhere strike me as outsiders piling on. Mostly it's people making Tammy collaterol damage in their kneejerk attempts to deny Emanuel credit. But in a lot of cases with people from the Chicagoland area it's the same Cegelis supporters who haven't ever had much good to say about Duckworth or her campaign who are leveling the same criticisms they always have. If they were valid I'd agree. For the most part they aren't or the blame really belongs elsewhere. That's not good for any Democrats.

If I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to people trying to push Cegelis out or threatening her staffers it's because nobody's ever shown me any evidence. Please do. I'd like to see it. I don't think Durbin or Emanuel wouldn't do that but I also don't know that telling people they're backing the wrong horse and thus hurting themselves is necessarily a bad thing. And frankly
it also fits right in with the Cegelis "us against the world" campaign theme.

But it speaks to another point. After 2.6 decades of Republican giveaways that have resulted in a $9 trillion dollar debt we're going to need discipline in the Dem House and Senate caucuses to undo the damage. It's going to be rough sledding peeling away the onion of borrow and spend false prosperity to right the ship before baby boomers retire en masse. We're gonna need enforcers to keep chickenshit congressmen and senators in line to pass legislation that'll do that. It's going to cause some shorterm pain Rove and Co. will gladly exploit. Believe me a lot of Dems would rather take the easy way out. There's gotta be someone to lay the hammer down and once again, if Rahm and Durbin are such ballbreakers I'm glad they're on our side.  


by markg8 on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 01:46:34 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

BTW what's so centrist about saying the war in Iraq was a mistake? Being for the assault weapons ban and a woman's right to choose? Was it pay as you go rules? You wanna tell me what if any real differences on the issues there were between Tammy and Christine?

I don't know who I'll support in the 6th at this point. Nobody's even declared. I hope we'll run big time candidates in the 13th and the 14th against Biggert and Hastert too who just might retire before '08. We need people who can fundraise like Tammy in all these races if we're gonna win. If Cegelis wants to run again I suggest she adopt the Bean model. Get on the good side of the Chamber of Commerce and milk it for all it's worth. It's the only way she'll be able to counter Duckworth's and Roskam's fundraising advantage. Nobody raised more money in any house race this year than Melissa Bean.


by markg8 on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 01:57:46 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

Well whoever runs, hopefully we'll be on the same team this time so we can beat up on Republicans instead of each other.

Relating to differences: To me (and others) Tammy's position on the war wasn't strong enough, nor much different from Lieberman's. She was for free trade, would have voted to reinstate the Patriot Act, and really didn't understand (at least when I saw her) NCLB. She thought our use of depleted uranium wasn't an issue. Her positions shifted, and she often said things that seemed to contradict.  Saying she'd consider raising the retirement age is another big difference as Christine would never have even entertained the GOP premise that Social Security was in need of fixing. Again, this is just off the top of my head. There were more.

I believed Christine. I didn't believe Tammy. That was the key difference.

You asked my opinion. There it honestly is. Tammy didn't close the deal for me, and I'm a solid Dem voter that was a sure thing.


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by michael in chicago on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 06:11:27 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

Well whoever runs, hopefully we'll be on the same team this time so we can beat up on Republicans instead of each other.

Agreed. We can both be pain in the asses and the ass kickin Republicans deserve, at least here in Northern Il isn't complete.

Comparing her position on Iraq to Lieberman's? You're way off. I guess you never heard Tammy over the last 6 months say she couldn't wait to get Rumsfeld in a House hearing every 3 months to give status updates on Iraq. I guess Bush did because he decided to fire Rummy right about the time  Zogby showed her up by 14 points. Sigh Would have been fun.

She was for free trade The 6th is not a heavy manufacturing district but with O'Hare is a huge trade zone. If she talked about trade like  Sherrod Brown here she'd get killed. That doesn't mean she's for exporting our mfg. base but it also doesn't mean she's for protectionism.  

From her website:
My husband worked at two companies that outsourced local jobs to other countries. One of my fellow Guardsmen returned from his service abroad to find that his pension plan at Sears had ended. The same thing has happened to thousands of local workers for United Airlines. I see fewer and fewer cars in the parking lot when I drive past Motorola. Our nation is facing huge economic challenges, but there's no leadership from Washington.

She would have voted to reinstate the Patriot Act,

She said she wanted to revisit it. As for the warrantless wiretaps and the torture bill I wrote the campaign a long email the Saturday morning she made the Dem's response to Bush's radio address. A reporter misqouted her as supporting the torture bill and I was pissed. I told them her position ought to be the same as Durbin's and Obama's. Later that morning we had a meeting with about 30 volunteers at the HQ where she disabused me of the notion she supported the bill and said she'd written the reporter herself correcting him.

and really didn't understand (at least when I saw her) NCLB. An yet she was endorsed by the IEA. Go figure.

She thought our use of depleted uranium wasn't an issue Never once heard anyone ask her about depleted uranium so I don't know. You think that's a big issue in the 6th or is it a gotcha question?  

Basically what you're saying she's just not liberal enough for you. Oh well, she did get endorsed by all 4 newspapers around here not to mention the AFL-CIO, League of Conservation Voters, Sierra Club, Emily's List and a bunch of other organizations. How many of those nods did Christine get in 2004?


by markg8 on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 09:33:08 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

Ugh.

Iraq: Stand up, stand down, no cut and run. That's Lieberman.

Trade: The sixth has one of the largest light-manufacturing bases in the country, and not just by O'Hare. You seriously don't know this? Free trade is not Fair trade, and Fair trade is not isolationism.

You're bold quote says nothing other than I feel your pain. It is not a position. It's Beltway speak for "vote for me."

Patriot Act: She said she'd have voted for it as presented. Revisitng does nothing once it has passed and breaks the Dem caucus on an important point. It showed a lack of party unity.

NCLB: IEA endorses any Democrat. She didn't know NCLB. Not even close.

Depleted Uranium: You might want to read my previous diaries as I heard this one direct and she got her rear handed to her on this question by both Lindy and Christine. I think it's an issue that she didn't think much of it and gaffed the answer.

Why do you always assume it's a liberal thing? Endorsements mean little. Emily's List? Come on. VFW endorsed Roskam for crying out loud. I'm sure he was better for Vets, right? Endorsements are a game of bandwagon and calling in chits for the most part.

You asked my opinion. I gave it. She didn't convice me she was sincere or consistent on the issues, and was doing mostly cramming or talking points.

Bottom line, Christine had the message correct for this election: Anti-Bush, Anti-War, Anti-GOP. Duckworth was weak on her understanding of the issues, her message was inconsistent, all over the place, and didn't resonate, and it cost her the election.

We disagree. You worked your butt off for her, and that's admirable. Time to move on.


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by michael in chicago on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 11:12:37 PM EST
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Re: Good analogy (none / 0)

Ugh is right. Your experience with Tammy seems to be
all pre March 21. No winning Dem candidate in the 6th district is going to talk about depleted uranium or any number of other issues. The area may be changing but it's never going to be Madison or Berkeley. And let's face it Michael, you weren't interested in being convinced by Duckworth.

If endorsements mean little then Durbin's, Obama's,  and Emnauel's should have meant nothing. As it was they must have carried some weight.

Yeah let's move on. You're not going to convince me or vice versa rehashing the same old arguments.  


by markg8 on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:32:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry (none / 0)

Just kidding, really!


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by michael in chicago on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 06:11:58 PM EST
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I'm seeing the exact opposite from your numbers (none / 0)

What I see in 2004 from the numbers you kindly provided is Cegelis, running on a $187K shoestring in a Republican year, giving House institution Henry Hyde far more of a run for his money than anyone had in years.

Someone who can get 45% of the vote against a national figure like Hyde without any real money to speak of, can probably do pretty well if the seat goes open.

Finally you point out, "Overall this race cost over $17 million."  Well, if that's the case, then grassroots is your best bet.  If the GOP is going to dump rivers of money into a race, chances are we can't win by dumping rivers of money in ourselves.  They're far better at using lots of money to trash the opposition than we'd ever want to be.

Nothing against Duckworth - I contributed to her campaign, not realizing what a hotspot it had become - but you've tipped my thinking towards Cegelis being the better choice.


by RT on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 09:55:47 PM EST
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Re: I'm seeing the exact opposite from your number (none / 0)

If that money had been spent wisely by the DCCC TV media shop it would have helped - instead of hurt - not only Tammy but all Dems in the Chicago TV market. One commercial reminding folks of the culture of corruption starring Wheaton's own lil Petey Roskam and another about Iraq/Katrina would have done the trick. Emanuel had that last one on YouTube at the end but it never made it on the air. He says he needed another million to run it  the last weekend. If he thought he had a promise from Dean to spend the money on that it was either a miscommunication or a broken promise. Don't know who's right and who's wrong there but Dean should've spent the money somewhere.

The kind of money needed to win the air war here most likely won't ever be coming Cegelis's way. She just isn't the national media or political star Tammy is. For example on election day after it was too dark for me to canvass I was back at 22nd & Finley about 6pm doing GOTV calling the rest of the people on that walk list. The phone rang and it was a woman from NYC who anxiously wanted to see how we were doing. I laughed and said I had no idea and she'd probably know before I did. I had an hour before the polls closed and needed to make those last phonecalls so I begged off.  

Emanuel raised $120 million this cycle. Kos, MyDD and Atrios $17 million from what I've read. Unless the rules change drastically or Christine wins the lottery I just don't see it happening.


by markg8 on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 02:30:58 PM EST
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I'd like to see some data too (none / 0)

All we keep hearing is how every close race was because of "the 50 state strategy" or because of Rahm or MoveOn or some other group. People are picking sides purely based on their personal favorites.

How many volunteers in District XYZ were Dean's people directly responsible for? How large and organized was the DCCC effort in District ABC?

If the netroots and the major blogmasters are going to fan the flames with the incessant squabbling, let's see some damn numbers.


by OfficeOfLife on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:12:34 PM EST
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If Carville wants to complain about something (none / 0)

How about the millions of dollars donated to Hillary that was blown on a non-race...


by Nazgul35 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:00:12 PM EST

Isn't the DNC's job... (3.00 / 3)

...to boost the party in general and our presidential canidates in particular?  It's the DCCC's and DSCC's job to campaign for congress critters, not the DNC.  If so, keeping some money in reserve for 2008 is perfectly logical.


by Geotpf on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:03:23 PM EST

you and your logic!! (none / 0)


Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.
by Fran for Dean on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:09:32 PM EST
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The Netroots And Local Dems Often Stood Alone (none / 0)

Carville can put that in his pipe and smoke it.  I think you are right.  He's snipping at us and using Dean to do it because he knows he is our guy.  Well Carville, bring it on.  We'd be happy to match you and your ads against Crashing the Gate any day.  We will crash your gate and make you eat your words.  Beware the unruly roots - running amok again.  


by dkmich on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:15:00 PM EST

Syracuse, Corning & Chicago (none / 0)

I said it before the election.  I'll say it again.  You don't need a Ph. D. to know that ad dollars go a lot further in Syracuse (NY-25) & Corning (NY-29) even Rochester, than in Chicago.

Western New York will be a battleground in 2008.


by howardpark on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:20:20 PM EST

Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local... (none / 0)

The whole DLC stingyness stunk.  They kept their private coffers filled to the max.  That just is not acceptable to me.


by markt on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:29:52 PM EST

Hillary Clinton... (3.00 / 1)

...did do an e-mailing for the Massa Campaign (I'm not sure to what list exactly) and did show up at a fundraiser or two.  Bill & Hillary Clinton campaigned with Massa.  Could Sen. Clinton have done more for Massa & Maffei?  Probably, but hindsight is always 20/20.  What are the legal restrictions on one candidate helping another candidate?  It would have reflected well on her (and of course the DCCC) if we had won in NY-25, 26 & 29.  NY-29 was one of the few districts where the NRCC's ads went unanswered.  


by howardpark on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:30:19 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton... (none / 0)

But by the same token, how much did they do for John Hall, Kirsten Gillibrand, and Michael Arcuri?


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:38:50 PM EST
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Absolutely right (none / 0)

As someone that was campaigning in NY-20 where we did get national and big dollar help, I was constantly aware that our race should have been no better or worse off then any of the others in the state, yet we got major help (and won) and they (NY-29 and NY-25 in particular) did not get help until the very end and even then not much.

Carville is yesterdays news. He has no credibility or standing in the New Democratic Party.


The 10,000 Things
by Andrew C White on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:34:36 PM EST

Re: Absolutely right (none / 0)

The NDP??  Up here in Canada, headed by Jack Layton??  I love them!  :D


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:36:27 PM EST
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Re: Absolutely right (none / 0)

The dirty little secret is this:  The DLC exists for carrying corporate water in making the Democratic Party a free-trade party.

The reality is that these populist victories, especially tester and webb and brown in the senate. are NOT good for those who worship transnational corporations like the DLC.

Notice how most of Rahm's recruits were free-traders, whereas Chuck Schumer's were populist fair-traders.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:06:39 PM EST
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Cable TV Replacing Broadcast for ads (none / 0)

National Journal ran a bit just yesterday or today on how broadcast TV ads are declining as a share of political TV ads overall.  They quote a staffer for Chris Shays saying they calculated that advertising on NYC TV would be very expensive but also a waste; something like 90% of the people who saw it would be outside CT-4.  So they decided to spend money on cable TV ads instead, which apparently can be targeted not only by state but even down to the zip code.

Now taking that into account, I would say the DCCC should certainly have spent more on Linda Stender (we fought hard for that seat in 2000, knowing it was a swing district and Ferguson is extremely conservative, not to mention having been caught losing his House member pin to a coed undergraduate flirting with her at a Georgetown bar).  They just should have spent it on cable TV or other more targeted venues; it's unlikely that ads on expensive NYC broadcast stations would've been much more effective in reaching NJ-7 voters than CT-4.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:35:42 PM EST

Re: Cable TV Replacing Broadcast for ads (none / 0)

The problem with this is if your opponent is running
3 ads on each local network affiliate's early evening newscast every night knowing he'll reach a huge proportion of voters instead of TV watchers you have to meet and beat him on that battlefield.
by markg8 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 09:09:53 PM EST
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Re: Cable TV Replacing Broadcast for ads (none / 0)

So are cable TV watchers less likely to vote than network TV watchers?  Was Shays not faced with network TV ads from Farrell?

I'm curious here, you sound like you know more than I do about this.  Ultimately it's frustrating that the districts we fight in are influenced and even determined by the price of TV ads in their media markets.  More strong arguments for free TV time for candidates and getting the money out of politics.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:28:49 PM EST
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Re: Cable TV Replacing Broadcast for ads (none / 0)

I agree with you about the free TV time. But yeah we have to fight by the rules as they are.

To understand targeted cable TV ads just watch a local baseball team's game on cable. I live 30 miles from US Cellular Field where the White Sox play but see commercials for restaurants and a team jersey shop in my town all the time on those games.

Unfortunately polling shows a lot of people, especially seniors who vote more than any other age group, still get their news from the networks' local affiliates newscasts. If you're going to get those voters you have to advertise to them where they are.  

And if you're in a hugely expensive market like the Chicago or NYC suburbs these races are gonna be won by candidates who can raise huge sums. You can't unilaterally disarm in the air war or you'll
kill yourself.

But because you're broadcasting instead of narrow casting you can run broader themed commercials that will not only help the candidate in question but all party candidates in the viewing area. This election, when most Repubs could be tied to the corruption of their party and Iraq was a prime opportunity to do just that. The DCCC missed that opportunity in Chicagoland. We didn't have any senators running this year so the DSCC wasn't a factor.  


by markg8 on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 12:42:23 PM EST
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Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (none / 0)

Hey, what is all this concentration on losses?  There were some huge victories and promises for the future.

Sure I am saddened that Maffei and Massa lost and even Davis.  It doesn't seem that Rahm Emmanuel needed to do a whole lot of recruiting of Arcuri in my own district.  Arcuri seems to have been helped more by the atrocious Republican advertising than the efforts of the Democrats.  

What an incredible and satisfying victory was that of Carol Shea-Porter.  And then there is John Hall.

Why all the sackcloth and ashes?  You should be breaking your arm patting yourself on the back, Chris.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:01:32 PM EST

Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (none / 0)

Me thinks Chris wants a job with better pay and fewer hours. He ain't gonna get Emanuel's job without winning a House seat and it's more hours anyway.


by markg8 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 09:13:08 PM EST
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Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (none / 0)

I'd like to know if Jerry McNerney CA-11 ever received help from the DCCC. Weeks before the election they still had not received help and days before the election the McNerney campaign was sending out e-mails to Contributors (e.g. Netroots) claiming a critical need for bucks. I sent $$$ but, wondered whether or not the guys with the big bucks had finally woken up that Filson had lost the primary and McNerney had a great shot at alleviating us of Pombo ( the unnatural National disaster).


"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama
by Predictor on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:11:40 PM EST

Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (3.00 / 1)

I'd like to know if Jerry McNerney CA-11 ever received help from the DCCC.

I think at the end he got some money but it was your dollars and my pennies that did the job.  Shame Charlie Brown didn't get the same.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:37:26 PM EST
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Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (3.00 / 2)

Yes, Jerry got some help -- very late in the game, IIRC about 10 days before the election.  What obviously helped Jerry more was the environmental groups, who put some serious boots on the ground throughout the campaign.

Another CA race worth talking about is CA-04 -- northeastern CA -- where Charlie Brown got no official DCCC help; his campaign was all locals, nationwide netroots, volunteers from the Bay Area, and a handful of veterans groups.  In a district that's something like 52-30 R vs. D in registrations, Charlie wound up losing by only 3 points, 46-49.

Charlie DID get some significant last-minute help from Nancy Pelosi, however, who arranged a couple good fundraisers for him.  She deserves some big kudos for that.


by willy mugobeer on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:44:14 PM EST
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Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (3.00 / 1)

Charlie DID get some significant last-minute help from Nancy Pelosi, however, who arranged a couple good fundraisers for him.  She deserves some big kudos for that.

Thank you for that information.

Though I now live on the other side of the country, Jerry McNerny's victory was very close to my heart without even mentioning the dirtbag McNerny was running against.  

As an alternative energy entrepreneur and math Ph.D. that McNerny is, I wonder who Jerry will find to talk to in the House of ill repute? :-)  One such fellow as McNerny can make a huge difference.  

You didn't say if you were one of the many volunteers, but the tremendous effort of so many is greatly appreciated here.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:57:46 PM EST
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End rant? It was just getting good! (none / 0)

Factual,truthful, and based in reality; obviously not something james Carville is all that familar with.


by merbex on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:16:28 PM EST

woulda coulda shoulda (none / 0)

I don't know if my guy Jay Fawcett woulda won here with more help. But I'll never forget Rahm putting him on the R2B list and then letting him hang so Club for Growth could beat him like a piñata.

Fawcett coulda won here, and if we had done a full scale attack - maybe with Carville, who was sitting on his gnarly ass in DC - we shoulda made the R's fear that they could lose any and every seat next time if they put up a dumass candidate - even in an R heavy district.


by zappatero on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:26:45 PM EST

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I wonder if any of you just saw this analysis posted at opednews. Is this the reason why Karl Rove was so confident before the election?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_ rob_kall_061117_clear_evidence_2006_.htm

Quote:

"Results Skewed Nationwide In Favor of Republicans by 4 percent, 3 million votes

A major undercount of Democratic votes and an overcount of Republican votes in U.S. House and Senate races across the country is indicated by an analysis of national exit polling data, by the Election Defense Alliance (EDA), a national election integrity organization.

"We see evidence of pervasive fraud, but apparently calibrated to political conditions existing before recent developments shifted the political landscape," said attorney Jonathan Simon, co-founder of Election Defense Alliance, "so 'the fix' turned out not to be sufficient for the actual circumstances." Explained Simon, "When you set out to rig an election, you want to do just enough to win. The greater the shift from expectations, (from exit polling, pre-election polling, demographics) the greater the risk of exposure--of provoking investigation. What was plenty to win on October 1 fell short on November 7."


by rajiv on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 07:47:09 PM EST

The way we won CT-2 (none / 0)

By 91 votes, oh wait now it's 84 votes...

The netroots are fantastic, but it's on the ground organizing that Howard Dean is working towards. I live in a tiny town in CT-2, Hampton.  We have been working with the other small towns in the area organizing in this deeply Republican area. Our Democratic Town committee has been tireless in our efforts to help Joe Courtney and Ned Lamont in 2006. It's the kind of work Howard Dean has been trying to organize in places Democrats don't usually win. We work entirely on our own with very little help from the State Committee- I'm not sure Dean knows that his cash is not filtering out of the State offices down to the Republican woods.

The following is from a thank you letter I wrote to our supporters in town this week.

Here are some impressive figures for Hampton:

Out of a total universe of 1200+/- registered voters in Hampton:

2002:

Joe Courtney Lost Hampton to Rob Simmons by 2 votes.
This year Joe won Hampton by 49 votes
Joe Courtney increased his vote in Hampton by 78 votes over 2002.

2004:

To put this in perspective, in a Presidential year the Democratic Congressional Candidate (Jim Sullivan) who had a Hampton local as his campaign manager (Michael Winter) Sulivan won Hampton by only 12 votes.

2006:

In 2006 through direct mail to unaffiliated voters we increased the Democratic Party enrollment in town by more then 12%. For the first time in town history we are now the majority party. Our unofficial registration advantage over Republicans is 32.

We reached out to voters in many different ways, from phone calls, to direct mail, to a float in the Memorial Day parade, to just showing up and participating.

Also, because we were so well prepared and organized here in Hampton we were able  to build a cooperative relationship with the Chaplin DTC. We helped make phone calls to help ID voters, sent someone to greet voters in the important morning hours and followed up with a phone call to every targeted voter by 6 PM on election day.

In Chaplin this year Joe Courtney won by 42 votes. This is a gain of 23 votes over 2002 and 89 votes over 2004.

Add together the 49 votes from Hampton to the 42 votes from Chaplin and you get to the magic number of 91!  The margin of victory.

This close race was aided by our organizing. Without the advertising money and Courtney's campaign it would not have been close. But without the work of the grass roots despite the millions from the DCCC it would have been lost.


If all politics is local- then it's time to support your local Democratic Town Committee.
by JJonMyDD on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:54:33 PM EST

Re: In Close Losses, The Netroots And Local Dems O (none / 0)

Carville doesn't critize Hillary because I have heard that his tantrum is fueled by her and DLC trying to get someone they want in and in an effort to pave the way for her running.
Too bad it's in vain.  No one outside the bubble wants her to be president.  
These guys need to quit dreaming.
As for Dr. Dean, I think he has done an awesome job and is visionary.  He is always ahead of the pack which is why he is someone who needs to be supported 100%.
We should send emails expressing our support for him.
by vwcat on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 03:13:13 AM EST

Excellent analysis by Hotline (none / 0)

I appreciate the mention of Tessa Hafen first, in the legit beef category. I've posted that on many sites since Carville made his comments. One reason I give Carville a bit of a pass is he specifically identified Hafen as someone who could have won via more funding. Carville was out here late in the race campaigning for Hafen.

It was a preposterous defeat. Jon Porter had nothing to run on so he labeled Hafen a carpetbagger coming out of the August 15 primary and claimed she favored amnesty. Both assertions were runaway bullshit but he got away with it.

I feel guilty for not making an ass of myself, posting more Hafen diaries even if it seemed redundant and unnecessary. If myself and others from Nevada had shouted about the potential for that seat maybe it could have risen on the priority list. I did post some of Hafen's early commercials (under jagakid) on Adwatch. She was one of the few Democrats who immediately flashed "Democrat for Congress" on the screen in her ads.


by Gary Kilbride on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 05:04:18 AM EST

Why was the DCCC spending money in $$$ races? (none / 0)

I'm thinking of races like Darcy Burner's and Tammy Duckworth's races - races that were very competitive but in expensive markets, and both parties were throwing money into the races hand over fist.

This would have made sense, from our side, if there had been a limited number of competitive races.  But this year, there was no shortage of competitive races; there were 70 of them, give or take a few.

So if the NRCC decides they're going to throw $3M into a race, what should the DCCC have done? Rather than throwing $3M into it themselves, they should have picked a dozen third-tier races (in a year where 'third-tier' meant 'competitive') and given them each $250K.

When it comes to money, we'll never be able to outdo the GOP.  That's fine.  What we can do instead is widen the field, force them to spend big bucks in a whole bunch of places, knowing they can't successfully defend everywhere, and we'll break through in places.  

And in a year like this, where the field was widening without any help from the DCCC, the D-trip could have helped by putting some money behind those third-tier races to increase the likelihood of some of those breakthroughs.

But trying to go toe-to-toe with the GOP with ad dollars in expensive races is a losing strategy unless we only have a handful of pickup opportunities to begin with.


by RT on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 10:08:52 PM EST


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