Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss

In 2004, John Kerry picked up 43% of the vote in Tennessee and was derided as a weak candidate who couldn't appeal to Southerners because of his patrician bearing and aloof manner.  His opponent was a Southerner much more attuned to Tennessee culture, George Bush, someone riding high on cultural conservative values that are ostensibly very popular in Tennessee.  Kerry invested no resources in Tennessee, and neither did George Bush, but it would be hard to conclude that Bush didn't have a structural advantage.

In 2006, Harold Ford picked up 48% of the vote in Tennessee, but he was called an amazing candidate who ran an incredibly strong campaign because of his charisma, powerful ads, and right-wing embrace of moral values.  His opponent was a moderate Republican bumbling fool, someone not particularly attuned to Tennessee's ostensibly cultural conservative values, with pro-choice skeletons in his closet (boo!).  Ford had huge resource investments from the DSCC, and Corker was bailed out by huge investments by Republican groups.  Ford is black, and that is a disadvantage in a Southern state where 86% of the population is white.  Corker was a scandal-ridden idiot, which is also a disadvantage in a year like this one.

So here's the question, given that pundits are still gaga over Harold Ford Jr, and are considering giving him a CNN show.  Just how good was Ford's campaign?  There's no clear way to measure, so what I did was take the results from Kerry in 2004 and compared them to Democratic Senate performance in 2006 in open seats or close races where the seats flipped.  How much did the Democratic candidate improve on Kerry's performance in their state?

I didn't use any incumbents upon for reelection, this was purely a question of how much Democratic candidates could build on a wave, assuming that Kerry represented a base.  

Tester at 49 versus Kerry at 39 (+10)
Casey at 59 versus Kerry at 51 (+8)
Brown at 56 versus Kerry at 49 (+7)
Klobuchar at 58 versus Kerry at 51 (+7)
Sanders at 65 verus Kerry at 59 (+6)
Ford at 48 versus Kerry at 43 (+5)
Webb at 50 versus Kerry at 46 (+4)
McCaskill at 50 versus Kerry at 46 (+4)
Menendez at 53 versus Kerry at 53 (+0)
Cardin at 54 versus Kerry at 56 (-2)

As you can see, Ford is smack dab in the middle of the pack.  At the bottom are Menendez and Cardin, both of whom are dealing with incredibly dysfunctional political machines in their states, and a legacy of racial insensitivity on Cardin's part and perceived corruption on Menendez's part.  At the top are Jon Tester, Bob Casey, and Sherrod Brown - all three of whom are economic populists.  They just away Kerry's numbers.  I don't know Klobuchar's politics, but Sanders is a socialist and a populist progressive.   All of this lends weight to the economically populist model for Democrats.

Reactionary Democrat Harold Ford is in the middle at a plus five.  

Now you can say that it's the South, but Webb gained four on Kerry, and he's in neighboring Virginia.  You could also argue that Ford is black, and that's a huge disadvantage, but it's also true that Kerry just doesn't sell in  a place like Tennessee, and Corker is a much weaker candidate than Bush.  And in Missouri, which borders Tennessee, McCaskill gained four on Talent, and Talent was a great candidate running a great campaign.  

Let's go to the campaign itself.  Where did Ford improve on Kerry's performance?  First let's dispense with the anecdotal 'I hate Ford' evidence coming from anonymous Tennessee liberals.  Ford actually increased his share of the liberal vote from Kerry.  From what I gather liberals were so fired up this year they would have voted for anyone with a D next to his/her name.  Don't get me wrong, liberals - both black and white - are not big fans of Ford, they dislike him because he is actively disloyal and his family is corrupt.  His brother Jake Ford ran as an independent against a progressive Democrat, and got stomped in Harold Ford's old district.  But they voted for Ford for Senate, though the liberal share as a percentage of the vote dropped from 15% to 14% from 2004 to 2006 (this could be population changed, though).  Looking through the crosstabs shows that Ford just didn't do anything remarkable (Kerry's 2004 Tennessee crosstabs are here, Ford's are here).  Despite his Jesus-charged campaign, his share of the white evangelical vote was 33%, which is a 6 point increase from Kerry.  That's not nothing, but it's not much larger than the national trend.  And if you go through the two sets of crosstabs, it's hard to find any one demographic that wasn't part of the national trend in which Ford outperformed.  Sure he did better among evangelicals, but so did Democrats everywhere.  The same is true for pretty much every demographic group, which is consistent with the wave but not much more thesis.

In other words, I just don't buy that Ford ran a particularly good campaign.  He didn't run a bad one, but it wasn't anything special.  If you aggregate the Senate changes, there was basically a five point popular swing from the Republicans to the Democrats from 2004 to 2006.  This swing is why Democrats took the House, Senate, Governorships, state legislatures, Secretary of State offices, etc.  There was a five point swing in Tennessee.  That's it.  End of story.  It wasn't Ford's ads or his incredibly good persona that caused him to outperform.  He just rode a national wave which wasn't high enough.  Period.

Or maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe there's something I don't get about how special the South is.  Maybe someone can explain to me  why Ford ran a great campaign instead of an average unpersuasive generic Democratic loss in a wave year.  



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How many African-Americans have won... (none / 0)

...statewide races in TN? I'm not saying that sarcastically, by the way, I actually don't know the answer. I do suspect that it's not easy, however.


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by MeanBoneII on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:09:38 AM EST

Re: How many African-Americans have won... (none / 0)

Thanks for your entry; the endless praise of the neo-Republican Harold Ford has stuck in my craw as well.

What's the data on turnout?  I'm sure there's no "racist white" category, but conventional wisdom that would support the notion that he overcame a wave of racism would be that turnout would be high among blacks and (racist) whites, both of whom would be motivated to vote based on race.

If the turnout was normal, the argument falls apart.  Unless there was some sudden awakening of liberal and moderate whites who found Ford's message utterly compelling.  But that highly unlikely as he and Corker agreed on so many issues.


by Bob Fenster on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:27:34 AM EST
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From TN-9 it had to do with Seeing Ford (none / 0)

as a person that has no back bone to stand for anything. He had to lean to the Right to pull votes. Leaning as far as Ford leaned wasn't appealing to those who want a candidate they can trust to help them. Leaning in the way Ford leaned only made him look like a political junkie looking for support from whichever big playeres he could get, but it didn't look good to the vast numbers of hard working voters.

Also things like the fact that Tn-09 has one of the highest Infant mortality rates in this Country (and much lower than countries other than the US) - these lower rates are in the African-American sectors.  What has Ford or any in his Political family done about it? Did he campaign on it? Was it even mentioned? Was a topic like that important to voters in W-TN?

There were many issues that he could have stood firmly on other than "He has attacked my family".

He ran a campaign that seemed to many locals two faced, those on the East end of the state (promoted by the Blue Dogs) telling America "Ford is the Man", we have TN by leaps and bounds. And the other face that was plain to those who live in TN everyday, and didn't just blow into the State as a campaign worker sent in by the DNC or DSCC, or DCCC or a paid intern.

There are others that could run, like State Senator Kurita, who was nicely was encouraged to leave the race before the primary (IMO).  

Everyone can decide that the state is too conservative if they want to, but maybe we could look back to the days of JFK and see where TN was then, and where it was when Gore was elected here? I don't believe TN is just Red, I think the Blue are just below the surface waiting for the right candidate and not just one that looks good in a suit for the National cameras.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:36:33 AM EST
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Bush did campaign in the state for 2004 (none / 0)

he may not have had such a huge on the ground force, but it was good enough, I know that the Real Estate Agents were constantly campaigned to. Bush made stops in the state in person to campaign even in Memphis. Kerry - I don't remember coming in. He may have had a high dollar sit down somewhere in the state. Bush campaigned to the crowds, not just at pricey fundraisers.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:42:41 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Race is a significant factor in America.  Many in the South don't get it, and too many in the liberal blogosphere don't get it.  


by Spencer Overton on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:12:18 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Are you claiming that a state that is majority white conservative evangelical won't vote for a black man? Under practically any circumstances?

The hell you say!


by OfficeOfLife on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:17:40 AM EST
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If the you say because he is black (none / 0)

How did he get to be in the House of Rep for aprx 10 years? How was the TN-09 seat in the Ford Family for over 30 years. TN-09 is not all African - AMerican.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:17:06 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (3.00 / 1)

Sure, completely ignore the Ohio GOP, "macacca", Jack Abramoff, and the Rick Santorum self-inflicted implosion. None of those moved any numbers.


by OfficeOfLife on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:15:43 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (3.00 / 1)

Right.  Matt's argument assumes that Corker was more flawed than DeWine, Santorum, etc.  I think, compared to that lot, Corker was a much stronger candidate that had the added bonus of being able to make a strong play for suburban independents.

Ford ran in a tougher climate than nearly every other serious senate challenger, and the fact that he ended up middle of the pack speaks volumes about how well his campaign was run.

There's more than one way to win an election.  Economic populism is just one of them.


by vault5151 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:25:32 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

I may be wrong, but given the 911 stuff (i.e., the Chatanooga emergency services problems) and the October legal proceedings, Corket would not have been in the position at least DeWine was (on a personal level, as the Noe factor was certainly there as well).  I don't see how Corker was that much stronger than DeWine, etc.  I'd really like to see you flesh out your arguments here, as I don't see it.


by BottleRocket on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 08:51:15 AM EST
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I watched some of the debates, and... (none / 0)

...Bob Corker was normal.  He didn't seem like a "bumbling fool" as Matt Stoller called him.

If you're going to put down Harold Ford's opponent, then you could also say that John Kerry got to run against the worst president ever.


by Eric Jaffa on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:25:18 AM EST
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Re: I watched some of the debates, and... (none / 0)

That's not what Ford's supporters like Rook said during the campaign in which they said Corker was involved in some land deal scandal among other things.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:27:36 AM EST
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Bob Corker was involved in a dubious land deal, (none / 0)

...but that isn't the same as being a "bumbling fool."


by Eric Jaffa on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:11:22 AM EST
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Re: Bob Corker (none / 0)

no it went beyond that- he said basically that Corker was one step away from being indicted for a crime in TN or at the very least violated ethical rules that he had to uphold as an office holder. As being explained below, none of us who were just casual obervers heard about the Ford family's dealings from Rook. This has been the history of this subject. When criticized the Ford people become defensive.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 12:41:31 PM EST
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Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

He only gives you one, and does it like he is the gospel, he also was at the East end of the state, TN-09 is at the West end of the state.

Rook made a bid deal out of Corkers land deal so a Walmart could be built but if you want to look at scandals - you would have to measure the Ford family list of scandals. Harolds refusal to separate himself from them left him lumped into the middle of the scandals. Which zeroed out Corkers.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:47:48 AM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

I gathered that from the discussions of others about Rook that his analysis was always selective.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 12:37:35 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

These last few comments about Rook are getting ridiculous. Rook is a Ford supporter. I get the distinct sense that people are practically blaming him for not giving you CNN-style coverage of the race.

C'mon. Rook never pretended to be Charlie Cook offering even-handed analysis. He was excited about Ford's candidacy and posted positive diaries, as did Ned Lamont's supporters, Webb's supporters, etc.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 01:23:10 PM EST
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Rook was not objective. (none / 0)

I also was a FOrd Supporter, and was at the 1st steering committee meeting at his ridgeway hdqtr in Memphis.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 02:35:38 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

I see my last comment was taken away. Here's the deal- stop complaining t hat your guy is being singled out when people are looking at multiple races,a nd what happened: see this diary here being tauted by Kos on the post mortem on Webb's race:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1 1/10/175140/25

Then come back with this stuff about you being unfairly treated to analysis.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 02:35:46 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

Read this carefully: I have no clue what you are saying. It is barely coherent, and it certainly has nothing to do with me.

I haven't complained "that my guy got singled out," or that people are "being unfair," whatever that means (I assume you're referring to Ford). In fact, I haven't stuck up for Ford or debated the merits of his candidacy at all.

All I did was post a comment defending Rook, who is a member at Daily Kos, because I felt he was being criticized for his diaries on the race. Period.

So whenever you do figure out what you're trying to say, you should address it to the proper person, not me. And when you do, I suggest you not end your comment by telling that person to "f--- off," because they'll zero-rate your comment just as I did.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 03:53:48 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

Next time you want to pretend that you don't understand what someone is saying you probably shouldn't make it clear (as you did in your last sentence and, frankly, throughtout your post) that you do understand. It's precisely this sort of 'push buttons' manipulativeness which lead to tell you off in the first place. There is already too much dishonesty in politics, and pretending isn't going to help your position.

What was said about Rook was accurate. I read nearly every diary he posted on Ford even when I didn't post a response because I am interested in black candidates running down South. If I wanted to, I could prove you wrong simply by going on to D Kos, and doing a search of Rook's name. But, I am not going to bother because anyone here who is interested can do the same.

My last post was meant to cut to the chase, by demonstrating that Ford isn't the only campaign about whom people are performing post mortems. Yet, by bringing up Ford, one gets all his acolyted online coming out to support him as though he could do no wrong. I also followed the Webb campaign closely because I was born and raised in Southern Virginia, and I knew that race could go either way.  Webb made some mistakes a long the way, but he also had some sucesses. What strikes me as to the difference between Webb and Ford are the supporters of the two men. With Webb, even when someone disagreed, they tried to answer every question including the allegations regarding Webb's views on women in the military.  When Kos mentioned the money issue with Webb (which was a factor as of August), I didn't see a huge number of diaries saying "Kos is wrong about Webb's money situation." I saw a lot of those diaries by Rook when Kos said that Ford's campaign is slipping away from a win.

I have yet to see a response by Ford supporters (and now by supporters of the supporters of Ford) that does not amount to misdirection and/or persecution complexes. The other day someone posted a diary on D Kos about whether Ford had alienated voters by being a little too slick, and little too abasive. It was, although framed as idealogy, really a discussion as one person put it of whether Ford had threaded the needle. In response, Rook put up numbers regarding how conservative TN is. It didn't answer the question, and when challenged one of Ford's supporters admitted to me in the thread that some, even those who voted for Ford (including the posters wife), felt Ford was a little too slick and a little to abrasive (a la the Corker confrontation).

Not once during the campaign did Rook respond to these concerns. I saw people (claiming to be from TN) try to ask him these, and get shot down as bashers. Which I came to realize meant anyone who questioned Ford's tactics.

Again, the differences between Va and Tn being noted, there campaigns were also very different stylistically as well.  Rook never seemed interested in addressing these concerns. I don't expect you do either given your approach thus far.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 04:37:24 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

Okay, let me repeat this. Slowly.

I. Did. Not. Write. About. Harold. Ford.

Nowhere in my comments did I support or attack Ford. I defended one particular member of Daily Kos. Rook is not C-SPAN. Rook doesn't "owe" you objective election coverage, and he certainly doesn't owe you explanations for whatever it is you didn't like about his diaries.

More importantly, I have no idea why you're attacking me over your issues with Ford's ardent supporters. I'm not their surroage. As I suggested before, you should take it up with them and leave me alone.

In fact, while you're at it, go complain to all the Kossacks who actively rooted for Ned Lamont, Darcy Burner, Dianne Farrell, Victoria Wulsin, Steve Cranley and the other non-winning candidates. Obviously, those people LIED to you with their evil ENTHUSIASM. You should go tell them to "f--- off" for daring to fall below your standards of objectivity, the bastards.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 05:22:01 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (3.00 / 1)

I think what I will do instead is to just say to you good luck. peace.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 05:35:39 PM EST
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Re: Rook doesnt look at all the directions (none / 0)

There is no mental twist, regardless of how devious, even unconscious, that cannot be traded in for a good joke.


by blues on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 05:58:39 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (1.00 / 0)

The obsession with pounding down Harold Ford since Carville's comment is astounding. The man hasn't said or done anything to justify it, either. Ford has no sights on Jesus "H" Dean's position, folks.


by OfficeOfLife on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:24:11 AM EST

Lieberman 2 (3.00 / 1)

He struck me as someone who would be a big pain in caucus, slamming democrats frequently in the media.

The two Nelsons don't vote with the Democrats nearly enough, but they don't go on Fox News and slag them either.  That was my fear about Ford.  Maybe I'm wrong I didn't study the matter too closely.


by scientician on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:15:13 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (3.00 / 1)

So asking if he ran a better than average or just average campaign is a pounding? Are we not suppose to even ask questions anymore, or should we just look to DC for all the answers?


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:28:37 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Percentages are one metric but raw numbers would be intersting as well.

Ford got 48 percent of the people who voted but I would guess Kerry's percentage actually represents more votes in terms of raw numbers than Ford (Due to the naturally higher turnout for a presidential election)

Not sure how that would affect your ideas regarding the strength or weakness of the two campaigns but it would be interesting.

If this assumption is correct, it would indicate that even "elitist  white Massachusetts liberals" fare better than African American Tenneseans.


by ktoz on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:47:38 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (3.00 / 3)

 You underestimate Harold Ford.  I am not a fan of let's fight a smarter Iraq war, the Terry Schiavo bill, anti-net neutrality Harold Ford, but most progressives in Tennessee realized that he was the best candidate with even a chance of winning.  Tennessee like most of the South has turned decidedly Republican in the manner described by Kevin Phillips in 1968.  This means that in statewide races Democrats will probably lose unless the Republicans run a tarnished candidate.  Corker was a mediocre candidate, not a tarnished one.  He ran racist ads, but that didn't offend many voters in Tennessee except those who wouldn't vote for him.  Tennessee doesn't have that block of swing voters who were offended by Allen's  macaca comment.
   Bredesen was elected governor with about 52% of the vote against Van Hilleary, a Republican who had a reputation as not very smart.  He appealed to the redneck vote but was too rough around the edges to sweep Bredesen with suburban Republicans who prefer candidates who are less confrontational.  The class element explains why Bredesen narrowly edged Hilleary in Republican Knoxville, a sure indicator of victory for a Democrat.   Many Republican business people felt more comfortable with Bredesen the businessman than Hilleary, the bible thumper who was allegedly nicknamed Gomer. The Republican businessmen chose wisely; Bredesen has gutted workers compensation and Tenn Care, the state system for medical care.  When trying to understand Tennessee the comparison should be made to the last cycle of Democratic governors in Alabama, South Carolina, and Texas.   Democratic candidates won against a candidate in Alabama who tried to imitate a monkey on television and a hypocritical bible thumper who offended the class sensibilities of the better element in South Carolina.  Ann Richards was a great candidate who defeated an oaf in 1990 then lost to George Bush in 1994 despite a great performance as Governor.  Bredesen's reelection reflects Tennessee's slower movement into Republican dominance, and Bredesen's triangulation skills.   Since the Republican business class embraced Bredesen, there wasn't enough Republican money for a serious challenge.    
   Against the background of the rise of hard Republican suburbs and the vanishing rural Democrats, Ford's taking 48% of the vote was a  
significant achievement.  Racism remains a potent force in Tennessee and most of the country, but no white Tennessee politician would have run as close a race.  Al Gore didn't come as close to winning as Harold Ford.  Gore would not be elected Senator today.  This is not a criticism of Gore.  In 1994 Jim Sasser, an 18 year senator who was in line to become majority leader, lost to Bill Frist.  Bill Clinton took Tennessee with a smaller percentage in 1996 than in 1992 despite prosperity and a mediocre Republican candidate.  Tennessee voters have a tradition of considering Democrats then returning home to the Republican party; Harold Ford deserves credit for coming so close to breaking that trend.  

   


by darrow on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 06:49:11 AM EST

Why do you think him the best? (none / 0)

Kurita - didn't have Fords issues and could have run as well as Claire McCaskill and some of the others.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:50:11 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Although I am not a Harold Ford, Jr. fan myself, I wish he had won so the Party wouldn't be beholden to Lieberman to hold the majority in the Senate.

That aside, however, I am impressed with what Ford Jr. accomplished in his race in Tennessee, although it is hard to tease out what was the result of his effort and what was due to the general discontent with Republicans.

I grew up in Memphis and have known the Fords for more decades than I care to admit. (My daddy used to vote for his daddy.) White racism remains strong in TN, and, sadly, being black remains a huge disadvantage in statewide races. He also had to overcome a lot of noise in the past 18 months about political scandals involving his family, even though there was never a whiff of scandal touching him. When I first heard that he was running, I expected him to poll in the high 30s.
48% exceeded my wildest expectations.


by cailte on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 07:25:58 AM EST

Ford Ran a Good Campaign (3.00 / 1)

There are three reasons why.

He won and mobilized in a key district, 97% of the African American vote. In fact, the headwinds you are writing about here are much stronger - East Tennessee has had a history of voting straight republican predating 1960. Thats 46 years of republican voting records. East Tennessee has not sent a democrat to congress since the Civil War.

A presidential race, and a senate race are not valid comparisons. Kerry's performance in Georgia was much worse than this and , like Iraq and America - the GOP keeps their borders permeable.  Only 14 of 44 of presidential races ever occurred in which a Senator was elected President. Thats about 25%, or another way of looking at it, is that Americans are 75% more likely to pick someone from the executive branch to be a president. They hold different criteria.

So, looking at what you've written here you are comparing an executive branch election to a legislative branch election. Tennessee votes very differently in this regard, with the lead changing hands in the Governor's mansion three times in the past six elections, or about a straight 50 50 shot.

In other words, Ford ran a much stronger campaign than you've written about here. Like nuclear weaponry - the GOP has always used breeder reactors to build their base.  For a young, black southern democrat to run as strongly as he did  for a hard right Senate Majority Leader's seat, in a state that voted republican in these elections more or less predating 1960 with districts that have, for the history of the modern republican party - never voted democrat - is a significant accomplishment.  

You could of course, compare it to supreme court appointments if you want, as well. That would cross yet another branch of government. Tennessee legislates republican and their breeder reactor is safe, thanks to people that just couldn't find it within themselves to keep a guy named "corker" from becoming their senator.


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by heyAnita on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 07:28:17 AM EST

Re: Ford Ran a Good Campaign (none / 0)

by the way, is it possible that we could cite the relevance of the statistics we quote, here?

mydd is a nice site and I go here only because I want to peek under the hood but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

if a study compariing say one election results to anothers provides us with no correlation nationally , or weak correlation I think it makes sense to say so.


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by heyAnita on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 07:31:06 AM EST
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Re: Ford Ran a Good Campaign (none / 0)

"East Tennessee has had a history of voting straight republican predating 1960. Thats 46 years of republican voting records. East Tennessee has not sent a democrat to congress since the Civil War."

That's weird. Because the "solid south" took the civil war out on the GOP, NOT the Dems, until Nixon started tacitly appealing to racists in the 70s. Then the Dixiecrats suddenly realized that the GOP was the reactionary party, and switched allegiance.

North Carolina had a huge pocket of pro-union (presumably anti-slavery, but not so sure about that) folks that covered the entire western half of the state. Did that band of loyalists extend into Tennessee, thereby explaining the first hundred years of post-civil war anti-Dem voting?

Just curious.


by alteran on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:17:46 AM EST
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Re: Ford Ran a Good Campaign (none / 0)

Yes.  East Tennessee was overwhelmingly pro-Union.  The Blount County Civil War memorial lists Union dead 4-1 or so over Confederate.  


by Christopher on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:18:55 AM EST
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Re: Ford Ran a Good Campaign (none / 0)

People forget that TN and KY were border states.  TN is not Mississippi or Alabama.


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by Valatan on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:25:19 AM EST
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Ford had the best ideological net (3.00 / 2)

I'm on half an ambien and about to collapse for the night but I had these numbers handy so I'll stick them here. I don't claim it's a perfect measure, and nothing in relation to 2004, but it does demonstrate how well Ford did considering the overwhelming liberal/conservative deficit in Tennessee.

It's a relationship between the liberal/conservative margin as indicated in the 2006 senate exit polls, and the candidate's margin of victory or defeat

  • Tennessee 14-45; Ford -3 = +28
  • Minnesota 25-30; Klobuchar +20 = +25
  • Ohio 20-32; Brown +12 = +24
  • Vermont 31-21: Sanders +33 = +23
  • Pennsylvania 25-29: Casey +18 = +22
  • Missouri 20-37: McCaskill +3 = +20
  • Montana 19-34: Tester +1 = +16
  • Virginia 21-35: Webb +1 = +15
  • Maryland 26-25; Cardin +10 = +9
  • New Jersey 26-24; Menendez +8 = +6
  • Rhode Island 25-19: Whitehouse +6 = EVEN


by Gary Kilbride on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 07:53:43 AM EST

Re: Ford had the best ideological net (none / 0)

So, basically, Ford is better at getting conservative voters in a state that is much more conservative than any of the other candidates were in states that are less conservative.

I'm not sure that's terribly valuable.  We could get an even higher score by this measure if we trolled through the Republican party.  They are great at getting the support of conservatives.  


by RickD on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 01:13:29 PM EST
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Harold Ford: 50-State Strategy Poster Boy (3.00 / 1)

I think the analysis here is spot on, the thing I think we may be missing here is that Harold Ford helped the Democratic cause greatly by stealing so much GOP oxygen.

A Dem winning Tennessee deep in their oh-so-precious southern stronghold scared the bejeezus out of them, and caused them to make some strategic blunders that we tend to believe only Dems can make.

I'm thrilled that the GOP wasted effort defending Tennessee that could have been spent in Virginia and Montana.

Now, a candidate who could actually WIN in Tennessee is much better than a candidate that just fakes the opposition into thinking that he can, so we should aggressively look into alternatives, realizing that the establishment will be fighting us every inch of the way.

But we should also be realistic-- there are only so many Testers out there. Strategically, a Ford running a quixotic campaign that scares the GOP beats the heck out of a Carter who runs a campaign that is inspiring but non-threatening.

And, as an aside, I'll take every Nelson-style Democrat who provides us a caucus vote and nothing else from a deep red state any day, and be grateful. Every such vote is a huge win for us, just like every Collins, Snow, and Chafee (oops!) is a huge win for them.


by alteran on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 08:12:10 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Let me just add to some of the other fine comments that not all percentage points are equal.  By the "[Candidate]-Kerry" math, Ford was a "better" campaigner than Claire McCaskill, but "worse" than Sherrod Brown.  The raw points totals, however, aren't as meaningful.

McCaskill's 4 point edge over Kerry included the decisive percentage points, i.e., the margin of victory.  Logically speaking, these are the hardest points to get - they are what you spend your money on and campaign for.  Anything past 50.1% of the two-party vote is just running up the score.  Given that McCaskill got the 4 most decisive points, I'd say that her campaign was impressive.  (You didn't include other Democratic losers like Carter and Pederson, but they may be instructive as well).  She also did so against the wind of incumbency and the fact that Talent had no "firable" offense in Missouri.  

Contrast that to Sherrod Brown, where the Ohio voters took the entire Republican leadership outside and shot it in response to a miasma in state politics.  Claire's 4 points are much more impressive than Brown's 7.  Given that Brown needed only 2 "decisive" points, the 5 points that he "wasted" (mathematically speaking) look unimpressive.

By the same token, Harold Ford needed 7 "decisive" points.  He got 5 of the 7, meaning that, in terms of "decisive" points, he did better than McCaskill or Brown.

If you look at in terms of "decisive" points:

Tester +10 decisive points
Casey 0 decisive points
Brown 2 decisive points
Klobuchar 0 decisive points
Sanders 0 decisive points
Ford 5 decisive points
Webb 4 decisive points
McCaskill 4 decisive points
Menendez 0 decisive points
Cardin -2 decisive points

Given that Conrad Burns gave away a bunch of points through sheer stupidity and corruption, I'd say Ford ran a pretty good campaign for the state he was in.

Now this "decisive point" analysis doesn't quite tell the whole story, because I think there is a 5-6 point incumbency advantage, and Klobuchar, et al. couldn't simply "walk" to the polls on election day.  But there is something to it.  Harold Ford gets 2 more points, and he's a hero.  


by VaAntiRepublican on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 08:29:02 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

I'm trying hard not to mock this pseudo-mathematics.
This is the best I can do.
by RickD on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 01:18:23 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

I think Harold made a lot of friends at St. Alban's (the elite Washington DC prep school he attended) and they are rallying behind him.


by howardpark on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 08:35:38 AM EST

ha ha (none / 0)


You can't compare Ford to other Democrats in other states, you have to compare Ford to other Democrats who would have run for Senate in TN in 2006.  On that score, I'd say 48% is damn good.  He sucked a lot of resources away from other places which just might explain the razor thin margins that McCaskill, Tester, and Webb won by.  Just sayin'.

PS I did not go to Alban's.


by freedc on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:18:09 AM EST
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Ford would have won if not for his Stunt (none / 0)

Airport Stunt and Dirty Ads did him in.  I was excited about Ford until I heard of his Airport Stunt.  Without that airport stunt, the Ad would backfire against Corker.


by jasmine on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 08:44:46 AM EST

Re: Ford would have won if not for his Stunt (none / 0)

I think  you hit on where I think his campaign went off track. No one seems to want to give credence to the fact that at the margins among moderates perceptions of his family, and of his publicity stunt probably came across as abrasive and too slick. That sort of thing may play well up in the NE, but in the South, I can't imagine it would. I would love to see the exit poll on what people thought of each candidate's personality. That would probably be truly eye openning versus the stuff I am reading about Kerry or he did good enough, etc.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:33:19 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Ford was helped by a huge increase in the AA vote.  In 2004, AA were 16% of the electorate, but in 2006 that jumped to 21%.  So as much as one can claim that he was hurt by his race, he was also very much helped by it.  

Harold's "problem" was two-fold.  First of all, because of the Ford name and the Tennessee Waltz scandal, he was unable to associate Corker with Republican corruption.  But the second part of the problem was the lack of a real primary here.  The DLC crowned Ford as the Democratic candidate without ever giving anyone a chance to discuss non-conservative issues.  So the only issues that existed were entirely on GOP turf, and it's no wonder he lost.
 


by Christopher on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 08:58:56 AM EST

AA = Alcoholics Anonymous? (none / 0)

Frowning on non-standard abbreviations.  :(


by RickD on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 01:20:29 PM EST
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Interesting (3.00 / 1)

This is the same website that over and over again mentioned the difficulty of a black guy running in TN, and how they thought some people would not be able to vote for Harold Ford because he was black.  Now, to prove a point, it becomes insignificant?

The reason the liberal blogsphere will still struggle for respect from time to time are posts like these where people attempt to cannibalize the party.  Not every Democrat is going to be cut from the same cloth, especially Southern Democrats, but if you guys want to sacrafice 13 states in a 50-state strategy, go right ahead.  No one seems upset that Larry Craig ran so far to the right.  I see no reactionary posts against him.

Further, to claim Ford and Lieberman are the same is just hyperbolic.  Ford would never have held the Party hostage in Washington.  He would've voted with us 80-90% of the time and helped push forward our agenda.  Lieberman will block it at every turn.  To compare the two just to prove a point is, quite frankly, well... I'm sure someone can pick the appropriate word better than I can, and hopefully make it sound less insulting.


by USCKB on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:00:58 AM EST

Re: Interesting (none / 0)

I absolutely agree with you about Ford and Lieberman.


by Baltimore on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:21:07 AM EST
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Re: Interesting (none / 0)

again- he's asking a question. for example, above, and over a d kos- even one of Ford's supporters said that his wife voted for Ford, but had difficultities with the confrontation that Ford had with Corker. My feeling is that this is less idealogical, considering Stoller does mention Webb, and more about whether one should annointed a campaign as great or bad by conventional wisdom, or is it better to try to gauge how a campaign did. I believe that the numbers aren't represent, and I think what really hurt Ford was some of the overly abrasive steps he took such as the confrontation with Corker which in the middle probably lost him that vital small percentage of voters who would have given him a shot. I think that gaffe and the family links hurt him more than anything else. But rather than allowing people suss out what they think it is- you would have the conversation cut off because you think of it as liberal?


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:37:20 AM EST
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Re: Interesting (none / 0)

I was not answering the question - I was commenting that in general this website has blasted Harold Ford, and I think unduly.  Kos did the same.  Yes, I was changing the subject because arguing about campaign strategy is like arguing which flavor is better - chocolate or vanilla.  Personally, I thought Ford ran a damn good campaign, and I think some people do not appreciate how difficult it is to run that campaign in the South.  Further, Ford had the problem of being from W. Tenn., which is a huge liability in Tennessee.

Succinctly put, Tennesee, like every state in the Union, has its nuances that are not being fully appreciated by this website or others, and it is insulting to me to see Ford being pointed out when other Democratic candidates failed.  When I see this same post written about Pederson and Carter.


by USCKB on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 11:37:36 AM EST
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Re: Interesting (none / 0)

The reason why you will not see Pederson is because he obviously ran a horrible campaign or Carter is because that one was never close. Pederson ran a centrist campaign as well- so if your presecution complex were an accurate reflection of reality you would expect a diary entitled- Ford and Pederson prove that centrism doesn't work.  

Arguing about what you have a problem with in other diaries is really stupid because miss things.

If you aren't interested in the post mortems don't read them. I find them interesting- and for the record, there have been similar postings by prominent bloggers on people like how Webb won, or how Tester is the Democratic future, etc. What you are really saying is that you don't like to hear that your candidate lost. Tough. Get over it. It's a fair question to understand the dynanmics of races so that people can be better prepared for next time.

So far many of your Ford supporters have done your candidate no favors. When pointing out that he may have been too abrasive with the stunt he pulled with confronting Corker, the response of his supporters was that was the right thing to do. Really? A candidate running in a Southern state, especially a black one, the best thing to do is to pull a publicity stunt? I say this as a black man who grew up down South. I thought it was a bonehead move, and when Kos or some one else made the point- then, as now, people were saying move on, it doesn't matter. The reason why Ford probably lost- if I had to guess- is because of the inability to accept criticize and adapt accordingly.

The response to Kos saying the race was trending the wrong way was not "kos is wrong" it should have been here is what we are going to do. In VA, that issue came up in Webb's race when he wasn't doing certain things like raising money to win the race, but instead of bitchin' as you Ford people seem to love doing, he actually did something different.

I think the most accurate description of Ford came from a Ford supporter describting his wife's vote. He said that his wife perceived of Ford as a little to slick and abrasive. That the Corker confrontation stunt didn't help. That basically, she voted for him because they didn't want Corker. I have to ask, although he denied this, if Ford had come across as more authentic candidate from TN, if he had spent a little less time trying to prove his bona fides with a one note strategy of moving right, would that have helped with that 3 percent in the middle who probably decided the race? That's not an idealogical question- its one about perspective for future candidates running about whether they have properly threaded the needle of winning in a state like TN. It's the same question and expectation of candidates that you saw in MT, VA and the like.

If you can't accept that or the criticize because your guy is holy and above crtitique- don't read the diary.


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 12:03:26 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

One you (not surprisingly) omitted:

Lamont at 40 versus Kerry at 54 (-14)

How does this change your unfairly biased argument?  You spent the entire campaign calling Lieberman the Republican candidate, so it should be fair to include this race, right?  Does this mean that Lamont was the worst Democratic candidate in the entire country this year (and nearly 20 points worse than Ford)?


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:01:03 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

You're tossing the word "biased" around poorly.  

Lamont's problem was unique because he was running against a sitting Senator who was promising to caucus with the Democrats.  Any half-reasonable statistical analysis would exclude that data point.  It's not comparable.


by RickD on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 01:24:01 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

By biased I mean that Matt spent the last 6 weeks arguing at every turn that Leiberman was actually a Republican, but now he's a Democrat again when it's convenient for his next slanted argument bashing Dems that he doesn't like.

Matt's trying to cut off his nose to spite his face.  The GOP just got crushed because it abandoned the centrists and moderates in their coalition, and the Dems reclaimed that ground.  If the Dems follow Matt's path and steer the party hard left and denigrate every centrist Democrat in the caucas, you're bound to repeat the GOP's failure at the other end of the spectrum.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 03:20:55 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Whatever Sherrod Brown is, Matt, he is no more a populist than Harold Ford.  I had to go check out his website to see if I had been wrong about Brown and perhaps the other named "populists."

This is what I found:

Brown Fought To Lower Taxes For Middle Class Families

AMHERST, OH -- The Sherrod Brown campaign released a new television advertisement today that contrasts U.S. Representative Sherrod Brown's record of fighting to cut taxes for middle class families with Senator Mike DeWine's record of favoring tax cuts for the wealthy.

This is patented DLC talk that offers nothing at all to the lowest on the income scale but "empowerment."  Brown does rail against "free trade" - a mark in his favor.  He is against privatizing Social Security which is equivalent for a Democrat of being against human sacrifice.  No mention that he sees a thing wrong with taxing low paid workers for the primary benefit of the upper income while funding all manner of government largesse for others.

The South and Midwest have always been particularly amenable to populism. Were he alive Al Gore's father might be elected senator today - and not because he is pigmentally challenged. Junior probably has not the slightest chance.

The claim that liberals cannot win in the South with a populist message is  poppycock.  Jim Webb did just that in the heart of the Confederacy.

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:08:57 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (3.00 / 0)

You took one sentence from a press release meant as boilerplate consumption and you conclude you know the entire economic platform of the candidate? Come on.

As for you main complaint about taking low paid workers, Brown is for repealing upper class tax cuts. And just so you know, being the leader in the fight for fair trade is a huge part of a populist ideology because it means not letting corporations dictate the direction of the economy.

Brown's whole slogan was "It's time to put the middle class first". Yes he focussed on the middle class because
a. Ohio's middle class was built on unionized manufactoring jobs.
b. A stong nation is built on a middle class
c. people in poverty strive to reach the middle class.

I don't understand this sentence,

"The  claim that liberals cannot win in the South with a populist message is poppycock."

This is the exact opposite of what Matt was arguing. You DO need a populist message to win.  


by adamterando on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:20:49 AM EST
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Virginia (none / 0)

Hmm, I think you're disregarding the demographic shift in Northern Virginia there.  

It's probably not a good prototype of a southern state anymore, even if its history puts it squarely in that camp.


by scientician on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:29:01 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Had he won, Harry Reid could have told Lieberman to go to hell.  No, I am not happy he lost.  His was the close race I would be most willing to lose, but I am not happy he lost.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:10:07 AM EST

Amy Klobuchar (none / 0)

Amy Klobuchar is a classic Minnesota DFL liberal.  From the outset, she was so far ahead of her GOP opponent Mark Kennedy that she didn't need to run a single negative ad the entire campaign.  And Kennedy was the state Republicans' Golden Boy:  He was the one they were grooming for Better Things.  


by Phoenix Woman on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:15:25 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Funny, I've never thought of George Bush as a Southerner, considering how much of his teens and twenties were spent in Maine, Massachusetts and Connecticut. Might this be a myth as well?


by arc parser on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:17:10 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

Every Democrat in Texas will loudly tell you exactly that.  He bought his ranch in 1999.

Almost every candidate's image is a carefully crafted painting--it's why I like the more private candidates that act professionally and openly, but who don't go out of their way to parade their family and hobbies in front of us.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:19:12 AM EST
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A nit to pick (3.00 / 2)

Ben Cardin has no legacy of racial insensitivity ON HIS PART.  The State party has a legacy of pushing who they want down everyone's throats and, so far, they haven't really wanted an African American in a statewide race.  Their bad, not his.

In another year, Ben might not have been able to overcome the antics of the MD Democratic Party.  The GOP opened up a wedge and luckily voters in Prince Georges County and Baltimore City decided not to go through it.  

I voted for Mfume in the primary as the more dynamic candidate, but Ben Cardin has a record of progressivism and inclusiveness, not insensitivity.  

I agree, though, that Ford really ended up a disappointment.


by howie14 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:24:42 AM EST

Great piece (none / 0)

Well thought out and researched.  Good stuff.


Come and argue with me some more at FifteenNineteen.com
by Qshio on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:26:58 AM EST

Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

What no one here in any of these comments have seemed to address is the exit poll factor. Ford carried 96% of the black vote and 40% of the white vote. Thats remarkable.  The reason Ford loss in Tennessee is because not enough WHITE people voted for him.  Dailykos has a video of blacks waiting in two hour lines in Nashville to vote.  They came out in record numbers however its nearly impossible for a black let alone a Dem to win State wide Senate  in the South. As I recall Clinton carried Tennessee in 92, but did not carry the same state in 96.
I heard a professor form Vanderbilt say that Ford couldnt have ran a better race, I agree.
by nzubechukwu on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:33:54 AM EST

Vanderbilt is on the East end of the State (none / 0)

TN-09 Fords backyard the area that has voted him into the House for 10 years and his dad for a total of over 30 years  is the true voice. TN-9 has lived with Ford as their Rep.

A professor a Vandy - hasn't and it might as well be as far away as NYC. There is a huge difference between the view from the East end - to the view at the forgotton West end of the state.  It's a inter state joke as a matter of fact. Just like the U of Tn Knoxville is the golden school while the U of Memphis is not and gets a much smaller part of any state funding.

The local state dynamics played a huge roll in this campaign.


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by dk2 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 12:01:52 PM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

It's an interesting article, Matt, but there reaches a point where it's unnecessary.  The guy lost and everyone is moving on with their lives.  I think I saw a headline somewhere that said, "What's Next for Ford?" but the question should be "Who Cares What's Next for Ford?"

I'm not from TN, and I didn't follow his campaign.  So, without defending Ford, let me ask why you felt the need to come out an attack him now?


by Reece on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:35:15 AM EST

Harold is Not Going Away (none / 0)

Ford is a DC insider. A place will be found for him in the new Democratic world order. That's why it's important to talk about him.

Furthermore, is it possible that there will be a lot of talk about this relatively close race and how to win it the next time for Dems in 2008


by Jill Tubman on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:50:37 AM EST
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Re: Harold is Not Going Away (none / 0)

bingo- but so many people attribute the concept of asking questions as being an attack that they can't see how valuable it is to just understand what worked and what didn't in campaigns beyond hype or cw.

as I ask above- did his publicity stunt with corker hurt him in terms of personality consideration w/ the voters. I don't think this was idealogy- I think it was maybe a small percentage that didn't feel comfortable with him. some of that was the hardcore race stuff, but some of it may have been whether ford's personality fit with TN- can anyone answer that question with data?


by bruh21 on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:41:16 AM EST
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This is an unfair analysis (none / 0)

You should put Pederson and Carter, at least, in the table.  Let's see how other serious challengers in red states did.  

Maybe Ford did worse, maybe he did better, I don't know, but they should be in the comparison.  


John McCain is a Bush ally on Social Security.
by John DE on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:41:03 AM EST

Re: This is an unfair analysis (none / 0)

I also didn't include Democratic incumbents who never really faced viable opponents.  Neither Kyl nor Carter were ever really viable.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:22:21 AM EST
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Leaving out candidates on the grounds... (none / 0)

...that they weren't "viable" changes who is in the middle on your chart.


by Eric Jaffa on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:41:28 AM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

It's strange how dismissive some posters are about the race issue.
Tennessee is Old South.  Those 86% white voters include a huge number of Old South racists.
THE AD was not an issue appeal ad or a negative ad.  It was a GOTV ad.  It reminded the Racist Republikkklan base they had to get out and vote down the black man who was going to "sleep with their white women."
And it worked: Racist Republikkklans showed up in a year when the Republikkklan vote was supposed to be suppressed because of Iraq, scandals, etc.
It wasn't a huge showing, but it was enough, and enough is all that counts in politics.  THE AD got enough Racist Republikkklans out to keep the race within the standard margin for Tennessee, and that means a Republikkklan win.
That's not so hard to figure out.  
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:44:02 AM EST

Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

Yes, anyone who is WHITE & is NOT from the South would NEVER fully understand. Matt is a perfect example.

This is not Connecticutt.


by labanman on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:51:14 AM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (3.00 / 1)

I am from the South, actually.


by Matt Stoller on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:18:48 AM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

It is also not Alabama.  The old border states are not as homogenous as the true 'old' deep south is.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:27:35 AM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

I have a couple of minutes here, so let me quibble just a little bit.  Not a big thing--I think.
In my many trips around the South, I've noticed, and locals have confirmed, a difference between the flatland South and the mountain South.  The flatland south, which includes most of Alabama, tends to be more hard-core in its racism, rigidity, and suspicion of outsiders of any stripe.  The mountain south tends to be less rigid, less uncomfortable with outsiders--indeed sometimes quietly curious about outsiders (I'm a native Angeleno--try driving through Alabama, vs. Tennessee, with California plates!).
My point: it also seems to have something to do with geography.  Mountain areas in the South tend to be less rigid, more comfortable, than flatland areas.  I'm not sure why: I'll leave that to the cultural geographers (any in the house?).  But there it. Does anyone think a Ford would have had any chance in Alabama? More than deep south, I think its flatland (vs. mountain) south.
Time's up--gotta run.
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 01:46:22 PM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

Another little quibble.  No big thing--I think....
Calling Tennessee a "border" state is an error when thinking in electoral terms.  Yes, it was a northern border of the Confederacy, but it was not a northern border of the slave states.
[Quick now, 10 seconds, name all four of the Union states that were slave states.  No fair looking it up--just name them.]
Tennessee was a central slave state.  Why is that important? To understand just how deep the racism goes, and how we need to adjust our thinking about the electoral landscape.
We can't think in terms of "old south" and "old union" and get very far.  A better model is, "old slave states." Then states like Kentucky (did you get that one?) make sense, politically.
As St. Jerry Lee I used to say, "Think about it darlin', think about it."
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 07:54:51 PM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

MO, MD, WV, and KY.

Thinking of MO and MD without really, really looking at their internal politics isn't going to get you far.


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 01:06:26 AM EST
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Three out of four ain't bad (none / 0)

but 75% is still a "C". (You can look it up now.)
As for the comment--well of course! Where is that not true?
But when considering the chances for a black candidate in a statewide contest, the history of a state, v. a. v. slavery, is a pretty important factor.
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 09:55:17 AM EST
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I'm from MO (none / 0)

St. Louis + Kansas City + Columbia are slightly half the population of MO, and culturally have little to do with the South, it's the rest of the state, particularly the Ozarks where your point is valid.  


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 12:09:48 PM EST
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Re: I'm from MO (none / 0)

True today, showing that places and people can change. The toughness of the fight for Democrats in Missouri may show, to some degree, the residual effects of deep racism in the rural population, even today.  But we can take hope.  People can grow and change, especially with urbanization. Perhaps that's the key everywhere: the more the population concentrates in cities, the better the chances for Democrats.  Someone will have to crunch the numbers on that one: I plead statistical incapacity.


Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 04:26:15 PM EST
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Re: Three out of four ain't bad (none / 0)

That's a little unfair, since there were five--WV did have legal slavery until the secession of VA caused WV to be created.  But yeah, I did forget DE


"You say the world has lost it's love I say embrace what it's made of" -Dar Williams
by Valatan on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 12:45:45 PM EST
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Re: Three out of four ain't bad (none / 0)

WV usually isn't counted because it wasn't a state until 1863, and its creation was largely the work of WVirginians who defected to the North to fight the South.
But, heck, I'll concede 4 out of 5.  That earns a "B."
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 04:17:13 PM EST
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Checked: WV doesn't count (none / 0)

Have a historian friend who's an expert in this area. The WORD is that WV was admitted to the Union on condition that the abolition of slavery be placed in their constitution.  They put it in, and only then, after the change, were they admitted to the Union. So, WV has not been a slave state at any time that it's been in the Union.
We're back to 3 out of 4, a "C."
This is turning into "work."  Ugh.
Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom
by traveler on Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 11:30:50 PM EST
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Re: Republican's Unremarkable Racism (none / 0)

It's strange how dismissive some posters are about the race issue.
Tennessee is Old South.  Those 86% white voters include a huge number of Old South racists.

You mean the folks that are just dying to vote for Condoleeza Rice?

Bet you can't tell me what a white might be.

No one is unaware of the problem of racism, particularly when you see African-Americans voting for Ford in large numbers.  Still African-Americans showed remarkable intelligence and good judgment in electing a Jew to Ford's seat.  

Best,  Terry


by terryhallinan on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:16:47 AM EST
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Re: If Ford was White, Landslide (none / 0)

Hellooooo? Sorry Matt, but unless you're not a minority, you wouldn't even get it.

If Harold Ford was a White Man, he would have won by a landslide. It is remarkable.

Ford has much more charisma than Democrat Gov. Phil Brendesen & Brendesen won BIG. But white voters voted for the Corker when it came to the Senate race.

Even Al Gore could not carry his home state, and a black southerner came close until election day.

Even Barack Obama wouldn't carry TN as a Senator.

Corker was a weak candidate. There was a Wave & lots of anger with Iraq. But only the White candidate Brendesen run with it & won big.

Stop always doubting & questioning everything about the MSM. There are things that any person who understands politics will know with or without the MSM.


by labanman on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:49:43 AM EST

Re: If Ford was White, Landslide (none / 0)

Numerically, what size is the effect we're talking about here?  I actually did live in MS for many years, so believe me I'm not in the least doubting that this is an effect!  

But for all of us to be most effective, we need to know the sizes of effects.  I think it is important to understand whether Ford ran a good campaign, a mediocre one, or a bad one.  So we'll know where to put resources in '08.

Just as an example:  the Dems spent a lot of time, effort, and strategy on nationalizing the races;  the Republicans, on localizing them.  This was considered one of the BIG factors in the campaign.  Exit polls show the difference, between those voting on local issues, and those on national, was 6%.

The point is: a six percent swing is a very big one, one big enough that both parties will gear their whole campaign around it.  

So when you say race was a large effect, do you think it would be six percent?  Eight?  Twelve?  Two points?  Any data-based support you can point to would be appreciated.  For instance, based on the historical share of the white vote that white Dem. candidates get in TN, versus what Ford did.  Someone above said Ford got 40% of the white vote.  How does that compare to the historical average for white Dem. candidates running for open seats in TN?


by Professor Foland on Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 10:07:47 AM EST
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Re: Harold Ford's Unremarkable Loss (none / 0)

So, Matt, that's all you've got against Carville's argument?  Nothing