"Faith Voters" Are Not Why Democrats Won on Tuesday

Despite the fact that the data do not support the conclusion that a more mobilized religious base was the key to George W. Bush's win in 2004*, it still remains a commonly held assumption by the political media. So it should not come as a surprise then that both The New York Times and The Washington Post run stories today trumpeting the supposed importance of Democratic gains among religious and Evangelical voters in the party's win in Tuesday's midterm elections.

The Post's Alan Cooperman, writing on the front page of Saturday's paper, is a particularly egregious offender, citing numbers that don't really prove his thesis that "faith" voters were key to the Democrats' win. Cooperman writes that Democrats "sliced the GOP's advantage among weekly churchgoers to 12 percentage points, down from 18 points in 2004 congressional races" and that while "in 2004, 74 percent of white evangelicals voted for Republicans and 25 percent for Democrats, a 49-point spread ... This year, Republicans received 70 percent of the white evangelical vote and Democrats got 28 percent, a 42-point spread."

Both of these sets of figures sound really impressive -- until you look deeper at their actual meaning. When comparing results between elections, it is not only important to look at absolute numbers but also relative numbers: How a specific subset of the electorate moves from one election to another relative to the change in the electorate as a whole. Although vote totals in districts have not yet been finalized, making it difficult to tabulate the exact national popular vote for the House, it appears that the nation voted a net 10 points more Democratic in 2006 House elections than it did in 2004 (a move from a Republican advantage of about 49 - 46 to a Democratic advantage in the ballpark of 53 - 46). So for a group to have disproportionately helped the Democrats take the House this year, it would have to have increased its net support for the Democrats by more than 10 points -- which none of the groups cited by Cooperman actually did.

So which groups did noticeably boost their support for Democrats over the past two years? As I noted on Wednesday, Latino voters backed Democrats by a net 28 more points in 2006 than they did in 2004, as did those without a high school diploma. Jewish voters upped their net support for Democrats by 21 points. Those earning $200,000 or more per year voted a net 19 points more Democratic in 2006 than they did in 2004.

Looking at vote broken down by church attendence, Democrats gained a net 13 points from those who never attend church, 10 points from those who attend church a few times a year, 16 points from those who attend monthly, 8 points from those who attend weekly and just 2 points from those who attend more than weekly. Even discounting for the fact that voters who say they attend church at least one a week increased as a share of the overall electorate by about 3 points over the past two years, it's overwhelmingly clear that the Democrats gained many more votes from less churchgoing voters than from more churchgoing voters.

Now I wish that a closer look at this data would cause political reporters and Beltway pundits to second-guess their beliefs that religious voters were key to Democrats' wins in 2006, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

Yet more importantly, Democratic strategists need to come to the realization that religious voters, specifically White Evangelicals and/or those who attend church weekly or more often, are not a part of a Democratic majority coaltion and aren't going to be any time soon. In fact, secular voters are significantly more important to the Democratic base than more observant voters. This isn't to say that Democrats shoudn't talk about their values or even try to reach out to the "faith voters" or "values voters." But if the Democratic Party wants to maximize the returns from its efforts in bringing out its strengths among the broader electorate, it would be much better served by targeting its own base, including those who rarely if ever attend church, rather than trying to win over a rather small small set of votes from the Republican base, most notably the "churched" and Evangelical Christian communities.

* - Following the 2004 presidential election, the media settled on the narrative that one of the key reasons why John Kerry lost and George W. Bush won was that so-called "faith voters" overwhelmingly supported the Republican, both by a substantial margin and with a larger than normal turnout. Specifically Evangelical Christians, purportedly driven to the polls by social issues such as gay marriage, went to the polls in record numbers and supported President Bush by record margins, thus putting him over the top of Senator Kerry.

I have long been skeptical of these claims. For one, Evangelical voters have not been a part of the Democratic base or a Democratic governing coalition for decades. In 1996, Bill Clinton received only 26 percent support from "White Religious Right Voters." Using another metric, which is not entirely similar but is certainly related, taking an apples to apples comparison of exit polling from 2000 and 2004 on voting preference broken down by church attendence, George W. Bush increased his vote share significantly more among those attending church less than weekly than those who attended weekly or more often. Equally important, those attending church weekly or more than weekly did not increase as a share of the overall electorate from 2000 to 2004. Put simply, less observant voters were actually more important to President Bush's reelection campaign than were more observant voters.



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Q re CNN v. AP exit poll results (none / 0)

On election night, ABC said "Almost a third of white evangelicals voted for Democrats in today's election, according to early exit polls reported by The Associated Press."

Then there's the exit poll data on CNN.com, which shows the white evangelical vote split 70-28 R-D.

So were AP's and CNN's exit polls two different exit polls?  The same exit poll, with AP citing early, preliminary results that were superseded by the later, complete results?

Would be worth knowing whether the white evangelical vote experienced roughly the same shift as the electorate as a whole (AP) or a much smaller shift (CNN).

But over at the Washington Monthly, Kevin Drum's calling it a "myth" that Dems won a third of the white evangelical vote, even though ABC cites AP's exit poll as saying exactly that.

I'd just like to know what the straight story is - whether the numbers on CNN are the true, final exit poll numbers, or whether there are two presumably equally valid sets of exit poll numbers out there.


by RT on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 06:23:50 AM EST

Other exit poll stuff (none / 0)

The exit polls are always fascinating. I guess I always look for areas where we could have done better. An obvious one this time is we didn't get enough single people to the polls. That's always a very basic split, married people vote Republican while singles vote Democratic. The percentages in our favor among singles who voted was terrific, 64-34 Democratic, but they were only 32% of the voters, compared to 35% in 2000 and 37% in 2004.

Obviously midterms differ from presidential cycles. I'm still trying to get hold of the 2002 exit poll. The guy from this link purchased the data and did a series of articles for UPI, but the links no longer work: http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/exit_poll_02 .htm

I was worried about our messaging not doing enough to encourage unmarried women to vote, but at first glance it looks like we lagged among single men. They were only 14% of the voters, compared to 18% who were single females. Contrast that to married voters, where 35% were men and 33% women.

One steady trend in our favor that is seldom mentioned is the percentage of voters who are married with children continues to decline. In 2000, 31% of voters were married with children, but that dropped to 28% in 2004 and 27% this year. It's a natural residue of a population that is marrying later and having children later.


by Gary Kilbride on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 07:52:32 AM EST

Not uncorrelated (3.00 / 1)

Singles tend to be younger so you get some mixing of age bias. Are singles really more Democratic? Or is it that singles tend to be younger (or gay)?


by antiHyde on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 10:30:03 AM EST
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Re: Not uncorrelated (none / 0)

this is a really good point, one often overlooked in polling analyses i've seen. of course, one could look at singles vs. married controlling for age and still get confounds--perhaps married 18-24 yo are more likely to be in rural areas, or more likely to be religious.

i think it really boils down to understanding the principle factors behind political affiliation (and, importantly, change in affiliation over time). these factors could cut across obvious demographic and geographic divisions. just because we have access to a type of data doesn't mean it's important.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 11:17:18 AM EST
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Not so (none / 0)


To say that evangelical voters were not part of the democratic tide turning, is the same thing as saying hitler's rise to power had nothing to do with the creation of the small business administration.

in the 40's , faced with an evangelical dictator convinced that the german race was the most spiritually pure and that the destiny of germany was to rule the planet - America created the small business administration. Its mission was to strengthen the economy during wartime.

Another way of looking at it is, does the SBA have no effect on our economy? It certainly is the smallest percentage of company money spent in 2006.

The evangelicals power the bush republicans, and it was backlash against the bush  republicans that drove this campaign. Even the republicans have figured this out by now: evangelicals are not conservative. they may have social issues they can press, but so what - the government doesn't turn on social issues.

Karl Rove really wants the evangelicals to come in front and center as well - there is no debate. It was the politics over policy, idiotic and castle-in-the-sky anti-conservative, anti-liberal policies of the bush republicans.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 08:30:54 AM EST

Concentration of voters? (none / 0)

Question:  even though "values" voters were apparently a rather small slice of Democratic votes, were they concentrated enough to swing any individual races?  I think this would be valuable information to those planning to run for office in 2008.


by mlr701 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 08:41:08 AM EST

Secular voters (3.00 / 1)

Unlike secular votes, religious voters tend to identify strongly with a particular tradition or community or lifestyle; secular people like myself have not too much in common.  It's kind of like enjoying music; some like classical, jazz and some like rap but people and their fan bases have maybe some common experiences, but people who don't enjoy any music don't have much in common.

So reaching them is tricky.


by Crablaw on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 09:00:00 AM EST

Re: "Faith Voters" Are Not Why Democrats (none / 0)

The main groups of religious voters we won (back) were Catholics and mainstream Protestants (not evangelicals, from what i've sees in the data).  

Foley made a difference, and a crucial question is how big this effect was on these voters, and how transient it will be. I look forward to the ANES 2006 data to look at crosstabs and control for various factors.

So far my intuition (based on data and history) is that issues like "gay marriage" are partly proxies for larger, amorphous "culture wars" that have divided many religious voters from liberal issues because they buy into the image of the "liberal elitist" who thinks religion is little more than ignorance. If it's true, that's got to change. So as an atheist, I whole-heartedly welcome the return of the religious left and say welcome.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 09:09:59 AM EST

Don't ask, don't tell (3.00 / 1)

Religion is a private matter. Evangelicals should do what they want without flaunting their beliefs or trying to convert young people to them.

Certainly they have the same rights as all Americans, but they do not have special rights.

I don't want my children to see people on television talking in tongues. It's against our family's values.


by stevehigh on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 09:49:30 AM EST

It's voter totals, not percentages (none / 0)

All of the data regarding percentages that Jonathan describes above may be true, but it's trivial compared to actual voter totals. I think he is discounting the overwhelming number of Evangelicals out there, relative to other groups. Which produces the higher number for example, 8% of 10 million, or 28% of 2 million?

Here in Ohio, fully 30% of likely voters are Evangelical. I don't know how many are Hispanic or Jewish, but I cannot think either is over 5%. Despite the acknowledged gains in Hispanic and Jewish voters, those vote totals just cannot compete with the Evangelical vote totals.

So, which led to more actual votes? I don't have the figures, but I'm pretty sure that the "swung" Evangelical vote totals outstripped the "swung" Latino and Jewish votes.


by OH Mark on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 10:29:03 AM EST

30% holy rollers? (none / 0)

I doubt that. More likely at least two thirds of that 30% are just giving lip service.


by antiHyde on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 10:32:06 AM EST
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Re: It's voter totals, not percentages (none / 0)

The importance of percentages versus numbers is that percentages give a more accurate reflection of the two elections. If 73 percent of evangelicals voted for Republicans in 2004, and 72 percent voted for Republicans in 2006, then there really wasn't any significant change in the evangelical vote. It doesn't matter if there is an higher turnout in a presidential year or a depressed turn out now, if the voters who voted were more inclined to change their mind you would see that reflected in the percentages. In fact, what this data shows, as I said in a diary I wrote on the subject, is that Chris Bowers was right when he said that the evangelical base vote of the Republican Party is not enough for them to win elections. This data is a repudiation of the Rove strategy. That Democrats, such as Wallis and Obama, want to approach these voters as key is not backed up by the data. What's key as Bowers has said is to not concentrate on a single block of voters, but instead, as these numbers tell us focus on a plurality of voters because we do better at the polls that way over the Republican strategy of appealing to the Southern Strategy, gay bashing, immigrant bashing, etc.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 12:30:49 PM EST
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Misses the point (none / 0)

I know what Jonathon is trying to say, that White evangelicals didn't shift as much as other groups. Interesting, but even if white evangelicals are less likely to vote Democratic than other demographics, there is a purely practical reason why we can't write them off.

For one thing there are a lot of them, and in certain regions a whole lot of them. According to the CNN exit polls, White evangelicals are 24% of the christians or 20% of the electorate. If the Dems get 28% of them, then we are talking over 5 million voters nationwide. Shifting by three points half a million people, which isn't small change.

In contrast, the Jewish vote is more like 2% of the electorate, of which the Republicans got 13%, which means 200,000 voters.

Wedge Strategies and Coalition Building

Rove spent a lot feeding the base, or actually throwing bones to their various bases. This ultra-partisan wedge strategy worked for a while, and still works in districts that are sufficiently red, but not anymore because we now have a lot more purple districts. The vaunted Republican levees were built on 50% +1, which leaves a lot of seats more vulnerable if things suddenly shift 2% the other way.

In other words we depend both practically and by nature on a bigger tent strategy, and can't afford to be so partisan as to write off whole segments of the population.


There's more of us than there is of them.
by MetaData on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 11:52:56 AM EST

Microtargetting (none / 0)

It is easier to get a strong supporter to the polls, than pursuade a weak opponent to change over their vote for you. Combining two or three demographic or psychographic dimensions helps identify clusters of voters, from those who strongly support, to non-supporters who might be pursuaded. My point above is that as a minority party coming out of 2004, we had no choice but to work on persuading non-supporters.

Not to say that we can abandon our strong supporters. We need to continue to address their needs.

Did the Dems lose the Latino vote in 2004 or did Bush win it? (Security fears or patriotism, perhaps?)

Did the Dems win back the Latinos this election, or did  the Republicans lose them? (Attacks on immigrats or racist triangulation?)


There's more of us than there is of them.
by MetaData on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 12:14:28 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

It may be easier (and probably cheaper, too) to target the strong supporters, but it should be noted that the strong supporters aren't enough usually to get one elected.  You have to target the fence-sitters, the Undecided Majority, to get them to decide your way.

I get disappointed with all the 'target the base' rhetoric today....I'd have thought that Dean's 50-state strategy (spread out the fight and beat them in places they didn't know they were weak) showed pretty conclusively that when you target the Undecideds, your Base will still follow along, but you'll start pulling in those who were only leaning your way, not yet jumping onto your wagon.  You also can get better Street Intel back from a broad campaign, to better attune your message to the rumbles out there.....a tightly focussed message often misses the larger target


by justadood on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 12:26:25 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (3.00 / 1)

What the data shows is that you can try to target the evanglicals all you want, but even in an extremely bad environment for the GOP, the percentage that voted for the Republican and Democrats remained relatively the same.

In Virginia, the percentage turnout for Allen was actually higher than the national average. Allen received 80 percent of the white eevangelical vote this year.

I honestly, at this point, don't understand what it will take to get people to realize you aren't going to win these voters over. The numbers to me, especially in this environment, speak for themselves.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 12:34:46 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

this isn't about evangelicals, it's about other religous voters such as Catholics and mainstream Protestants who are socially moderate or conservative, but are more aligned with Dems on economic issues. those are the groups that shifted b/w 04 and 06.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 01:05:42 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

Those groups don't vote based on religion like evangelicals do. It's an odd thing to me to make this about their faith when that probably wasn't the determinative. When I read Walis and others like his supporters like Obama they are mostly I think referring to the evangelicals when they are talking about reaching out to people of faith. Mainline protestants and Catholics were never lost to Dems for religios reasons so I don't understand the significance of bringing up their faith in the midst of the discussion unless its to create a narrative that its about faith. But, if the percentage of evangelicals remained the same, and other blocks of voters who happen to be religious aren't voting their faith, then there are other better indicators most likely of how to figure out where to find votes. Just my two cents.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 01:21:25 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

i completely agree that many religious voters may have gone to Dems for reasons having nothing to do with their religion, at least directly. however, the GOP has tried very hard to convince these voters that Dems and liberals in particular are hostile to their religion and "out of touch" with their way of life. this has been a talking point of theirs for the past several decades, and apparently its had some effect. not just an effect on rallying their base.

so the value I see in Obama's statements is not about people voting for Dems because of their religion, its about innoculating Dems against this charge. the charge is ridiculous, but it gets through MSM for some reason. if Dems can neutralize any kind of perceived advantage the GOP has on "religious and cultural issues" I'd argue it could make more salient other issues on which Dems have a clear advantage.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 02:46:50 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

The danger is that you create the perception as Obama did that this is really a problem of Democrats having a problem with religion. If the voters you are going after aren't evangelicals, it's pretty clear from the numbers what motivated them isn't their faith, it is the sense that the democrats in 2004 were not the right choice for other reasons (probably terorism) but in 2006 they are. Trying to apply the wrong  solution (its religion) to the right problem (how to get peo to vote for us) is maybe cw, but the numbers don't seem to back it up. If Obama were right, the numbers should show that these voters changed their mind because of their perception of faith. Instead, it's because of issues like Iraq, corruption, etc that drove voters to change. Not faith.


by bruh21 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 02:54:58 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

again, I'm not claiming these voters changed their minds because of faith over one election cycle. I'm saying that, over the long run, if you take religion off the table as a distinguishing factor between the partys, there's more room to talk about other issues. this is a religious country. it is insufficient to simply deny that faith makes any difference whatsoever in someone's vote.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 03:00:11 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

the question is why are we framing this as though it is


by bruh21 on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 02:09:39 AM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

because the GOP has framed it that way, and simply ignoring it hasn't worked.

as someone who's as secular as it gets, I have no problem if Dem leaders want to talk about their religion if it helps other voters relate to them. provided of course, Dems keep church and state separate, and actually do accomplish things on issues I do care deeply about.


by Chris G on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 03:24:56 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

this is actually the most current Pew survey of religion and politics from what i could find. just look at the "liberals gone too far..." result. this 67% goes well beyond the evangelical GOP base.

Obama is not responsible for this impression, it existed well before he even ran for Senate.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 03:13:36 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

so you are being reactive- my point is to be proactive, and not wait around to worry about how the GOP defines things.


by bruh21 on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 08:35:24 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

i dont see how labeling this particular idea as "reactive" adds any new insight. one could just as easily label it "proactive" if its part of a larger strategy to move the national debates away from divisive, amorphous cultural issues that have benefited the GOP for the past 20-30 years. i welcome any move to remind voters that Dems are not the bogeymen conservatives have, at times, been successful at portraying. again, ignoring those kinds of accusations has not worked. like it or not, this is a religious country.

and there's nothing mutually exclusive between a politician talking about their religion and proactively defining their platform on other issues.

is there any reason to be threatened by the rise of a "religious left"?


by Chris G on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 08:58:42 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

if you can't see the difference between being proactice and reactive look it up- and then forward it a long to obama.


by bruh21 on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:00:56 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

explain how your idea is proactive.


by Chris G on Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 09:11:11 PM EST
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Re: Microtargetting (none / 0)

this is a good discussion of the role of religion as of 2003. note that 50% indicated could not vote for a "well-qualified" atheist for president. pretty dismaying to me personally, but unlikely to change much anytime soon.

so again, the point is that religion may indeed be an important component to voting behavior, depending on the circumstances of the major political debates at any given moment. not a determinant, just one factor out of many.


by Chris G on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 02:55:15 PM EST
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Re: "Faith Voters" (none / 0)

You are falling into the trap of continuing to define "faith-based" voters as the media and the far right have been doing up to now.  
Most of us have been in a moral rage all these years --about the war, about torture, about the Constitution, the environment, poverty, medical care, crony corruption.  You name it, these are MORAL issues.  I have been wondering for a long time -- "Where are the Christians?"  Well here they are.  They have arrived.  Maybe they have been here for a long-time, as horrified as we are, but the MSM and the right wingnut extreme has held onto the identity.  I just read yesterday that Dobson had a 17 percent approval rating in a survey of Christians.
Don't accept the old definitions of Christian and "moral".  I believe that the "faith-based" voters are also disgusted and furious at the Republicans -- and for the same reasons we are.
Redefining these issues is important -- and goes hand in hand with the new populism that the media is totally missing so far.
by syolles on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 01:13:05 PM EST

Big picture narrative (3.00 / 2)

This goes a little beyond the limits of the conversation here, but we need to back up a little.

This group of evangelicals everybody's talking about generally had been apolitical for half a century, until the Carter administration. They were mobilized by the IRS questioning whether their private schools (mostly in the South, at least partly set up to avoid integration) should keep their tax-exempt status. Reagan's people worked hard to keep them going to the polls through some of the same coded language things bush has been doing-- nothing new there.

What the Rove/Norquist axis has done with these people is based on their anti-Dem initiation into politics. They see this group as a reliable turnout, period. It has to be fed enough to keep it mobilized. Some of that cynicism is now being detected by the group-- that's what David Kuo's book is about-- and causing some to rethink their political involvement.

At some point I think large numbers of them, say half or more, will go back to their historic political agnosticism, not because they don't care but because this is a vale of tears and the things of this world are not the things of the lord. What exactly will make that happen is impossible to predict, but it's their historical cycle. This means that somewhere over about the next decade they'll no longer be a third of the electorate.

The point is that they've given the GOP 70+ percent of the vote and that's what they'll do because their political mission is anti-Dem in this cycle of their participation. Because of this, and because their proportion of voters will decline, targeting them is silly, counterproductive, and ultimately self-defeating.

Targeting them has also been self-defeating for Rove. What he's tried to do is build a governing majority in the legislatures out of 30-some percent of the electorate because when properly stroked they're reliable votes for him. Equally important has been suppressing as much of the Dem vote as he can, and, something often overlooked, suppressing the middle.

The GOP attempt to suppress the middle hasn't gotten anywhere near the attention it deserves. It's an extention of the Lee Atwater approach, and it works by making campaigns unbearable. The mud, the lies, the smearing, the Swift-boating, have been largely aimed at disgusting uncommitted people to the point that they'll stay home.

This was supplemented by the fear campaign aimed at people in the middle group who couldn't be kept away from the polls. All they're about is manipulation of the electorate-- that's it, nothing more. It is purely cynical.

I think, then, that the overall reading that makes the most sense of this election is the "irate moderate" one. Suppression and scaring of the middle didn't work this time.

But the middle needed a reason to vote. I don't believe they'd have had a reason if the Dems hadn't started talking against the administration. Lamont and the netroots had a big part to play in that. Sometimes an opposition has to oppose. When visible Dems started opposing, by the way-- and Murtha was crucial here too-- they managed to reach voters even though the media was scandalized. Even soundbites helped make the case. It may be that seasoned TV watchers can filter out the editorializing and framing.

The bigger poing here is that voters can decide if something doesn't smell right, but they need someone to affirm it and voice it for them. If it's the Dems, they'll vote Dem. If it's the Greens, some will vote Green and the rest will stay home.

This election has demonstrated several things. One is that the media, though powerful, don't prevent a sensible message that corroborates and validates what people think from getting through. Another is that an opposition party has to say oppositional things. Another is that a party has to have candidates and local organization on tap to take advantage of electoral tides when they come-- unpredictably as they tend to do. Another is that it's impossible to maintain a legislative majority on the basis of a reliable one-third of the electorate, no matter how mobilized that base is.

Finally, to return to the evangelicals. In this cycle of their history, they're out of reach for Democrats. The whole purpose of their political mobilization has been to hate Democrats and that can't be undone until after their coming political hibernation is over. Putting aside special cases like Harold Ford's (TN being so strongly influenced by this group, and they being unusually active in politics there generally), it is foolish to try to cater to them with policy and/or language changes.

Dems, IMHO, generally need to return to their historic mission of standing up for the little guy, and that means economically first of all. That's a vote-getter in these times. It'll capture whatever number of evangelicals it captures. The big effort should be toward appealing to the middle and getting it out to vote.


by Altoid on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 01:42:35 PM EST

Re: "Faith Voters" Are Not Why Dems Won (none / 0)

What I object to in the media narrative is the notion that you can tell whether Democrats "won over" any Evangelical voters simply by comparing their relative voting patterns from election to election without taking into account differences in turnout within each group. There is a certain level of diversity in voting patterns within each of the demographic groups we identify as being aligned with particular political preferences (e.g., Jews, Evangelicals, 18-24 year olds, married, single, etc.). And those who vote Republican from those groups are probably motivated to go to the polls for different reasons  than those who Democrat.

In previous elections, a certain percent of Evangelicals voted Republican (say 75%) and a certain percent voted Democrat (say 25%). Now, if the turnout increased more among those who were already more inclined to vote Democrat (say, Progressive Evangelicals - they do exist!) compared to those who were already more inclined to vote Republican (say, the American Taliban) or conversely, turnout decreased more among those who were already more inclined to vote Republican compared to those who were already more inclined to vote Democrat, then we would see a pattern in which a higher proportion of Evangelicals voted Democrat.

This does NOT mean that the Dems won anyone over. It just means that a different group of Evangelicals went to the polls than in previous elections. You can't tell the difference between this situation and "winning over" part of a demographic from exit polls without comparing how (or if) individual people voted from election to election. Now if the swings are enormous (which the change in the Evangelical vote this time is not) then you could argue that the swings are unlikely due to changes in turnout within each demographic group, but that does not appear to be the case.


by taraleigh on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 03:08:12 PM EST

Not monolithic is correct. (none / 0)

There are plenty of very liberal (if not radical) religious people. So this isn't about religion vs non-religion. No demographic is so monolithic that you can count perfectly on it, nor count against it.

It might be, as you suggest, that different portions of the White Evangelical group stayed home or went out to vote.

Individuals are not one thing or another either, so it could also be that the same people had different opinions this time around.

Or, it could be that 50% of the WH-Evangelical vote will never go with us.

In any of the three cases, you DO address values and morals and issue in a way that can be persuasive to the portion of Evangeilcals who can be persuaded. Given the rest of our coalition, we don't need 50%, but we don't want to just give up on 75%.


There's more of us than there is of them.
by MetaData on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 03:34:55 PM EST

Re: Not monolithic is correct. (none / 0)

Agreed.

I wasn't trying to argue one way or the other about whether we should be targeting Evangelicals. I do believe that there are some who could be persuaded, though most probably not.

My point was simply that the data that is generally presented as evidence that Dems made gains within a particular doesn't necessarily show that and there are other reasons that we could see the same patterns.


by taraleigh on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 04:05:21 PM EST
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"Faith Voters" (none / 0)

If you compare the 2006 and 2004 exit polls you get the following numbers on how much of the swing to the Democrats between '04 and '06 was accounted for by various groups:

VOTE BY RELIGION
None (11%)         1.6%   52.6%
Protestant (55%) 1.5%   48.7%
Catholic (26%)     1.1%   34.3%
Jewish (2%)        -0.5%  -17.3%
Other (6%)         -0.6%  -18.3%

WHITE EVANGELICAL/BORN-AGAIN?
No (76%)           2.5%    71.9%
Yes (24%)          1.0%    28.1%

VOTE BY CHURCH ATTENDANCE
Weekly (28%)                     2.0%     56.2%
Never (15%)                       1.1%     30.1%
More Than Weekly (17%)   0.5%     15.5%
Monthly (12%)                    0.3%      9.7%
A Few Times a Year (25%) -0.4%    -11.5%

Taking into account both changes in voter preferences and changes in relative turnout between '04 and '06, the story is mixed.

People with "no religion" actually provided more of the swing to the Dems than Catholics or Protestants did. Also, non-evangelicals were far more important to the Democrats victory than were evangelicals.

On the other hand, people who attend church weekly or more-than-weekly also swung to the Dems  (but so did those who never attend).

On the whole, the "closing the God gap" story seems to be greatly over-emphasized this time around.


by tgeraghty on Sat Nov 11, 2006 at 10:46:13 PM EST

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Sorry, should have said "white evangelicals" swung less to the Dems than "non-white evangelicals plus non-evangelicals."


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