Strength Sells. Show Some.

To those people who are running scared about John Kerry's misstatement, I have a simple message.  Get some integrity.  John Kerry served in the military and put his life on the line for this country.  He is one of the only sitting Democratic Senators to genuinely oppose this war by taking on his colleague, Senator Lieberman.  He has done a huge amount for candidates this cycle, and will do more in the future.  And yesterday, he misspoke - any one of us could have made that mistake.  The fact that it's a controversy is actually not John Kerry's fault, it's yours.  You bear the responsibility of buying into the fallacy that gaffes like this matter.  You bear the responsibility of equating a slip of the tongue to a war that has killed hundreds of thousands.  

And let's be very clear about the politics.  This gaffe doesn't matter.  No one is going to change their mind about the war because of John Kerry's mistake.  What does matter is your reaction.  The press has set up the rules so that if you're on offense you're winning and if you're on defense you're losing.  It honestly doesn't matter if you, say, attack 9/11 widows or say that someone is faking Parkinson's disease.  It's just offense/defense.  Reporters have decided that printing reactions is their job, and that's life until their circulation drops to the point where they can no longer pay themselves to live in a dreamland composed of their own heroism at reprinting press releases.  And let's be honest and not pretend like this is Kerry's fault; a gaffe like this was inevitable, and if Kerry hadn't said it the Republicans would have manufactured something else.  It's what they do, people.  Come on.

So all of you who have decided that it's good politics to throw Kerry under the bus are both disloyal and strategically short-sighted.  I hope you reconsider your approach, or at least use this as a learning experience.  Let's highlight two candidates and how they reacted, both in red areas.

First is netroots candidate Eric Massa, who is using the gaffe as a way to illuminate his strong character.

Congressional candidate and 24-year Navy veteran Eric Massa today responded to the current flap over Senator John Kerry's remarks about the war in Iraq, and to a request from his opponent, incumbent Randy Kuhl. The Kuhl campaign this morning called on Massa to disavow Kerry's remarks, and to return any money donated from Kerry's Political Action Committee.

Massa said, "Randy Kuhl's so-called challenge is nonsense. Our fighting men and women in Iraq are the finest force in the world, but they're stuck with weak and dishonest civilian leadership. Randy Kuhl has done nothing to support the troops, and just toes the Washington line about 'staying the course.'  General John Batiste characterized Kuhl and his position as 'uninformed' and 'lacking moral courage.' Enough said."

Massa added, "George Bush and John Kerry and Randy Kuhl have had their chance and failed to bring home either victory or the troops. It's time for a change down in Washington, and change is coming on Tuesday."

And now let's go to the opposite extreme, to Harold Ford of the Connecticut for Ford party, who is throwing Kerry under the bus.  Now before I get the 'circular firing squad line', let me point out that Harold Ford is explicitly running against the Democratic Party, and so a blog post against him from a liberal Democrat like me (if it does anything at all) can only help him.  Since he thinks that the Democratic Party and its base are poisonous, he can use me to triangulate and prove that he is anti-government, anti-gay, pro-life, and pro-war.  He can gay-bait away against a cowardly opponent and assume that his obviously corrupt family doesn't matter.  That's fine.  Use this post, Ford, to prove to people like Glenn Reynolds that you are more like him than me.  Of course, Glenn Reynolds after all the handwringing and compliments, voted against you, but hey, he did say that you deserved the vote that he didn't give you.  You don't need to thank me for pointing out that you are in fact out only for yourself, and are openly and consistently disloyal to the Democratic Party in the waning days before the election.  You're busy enough as it is.

Or let's go to Sherrod Brown, who said.

Rep. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat leading in late polls in his bid to unseat Republican Sen. Mike DeWine, said Republicans are merely trying to change the subject. "The people who should apologize are George Bush and Mike DeWine for sending our troops into battle without body armor and without examining the cooked intelligence," he said.

That's strength, and that's precisely why insiders didn't want to support Massa until it became screamingly obvious that he was running a great campaign.  Massa has been against torture and against the politicization of 9/11, using all the arguments that DC cowards are afraid to use.  And it's working.  Charlie Brown came out against a gay marriage ban against John Doolittle in a super-red district, and it's working.

The insiders hate this, and they hate us. They throw us under the bus all the time, just like they do it to John Kerry. Go through the Actblue pages of the Senate Democrats - it's not a surprise to me that the Senate Democrats are salivating at Harold Ford's candidacy, while the DCCC waited until last week to add Massa to their Red to Blue list (which if I were a cynic I might suggest was done so that the Red to Blue list could have a higher batting averate post-election, but I'm not a cynic so clearly this was done because his district just became viable.)

Anyway, the point is that loyalty works.  Loyalty sells.  Strength works.  Strength sells.  Show some.

Update: Go Bob Casey!



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Amen (3.00 / 1)

Amen!


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:39:15 PM EST

Awesome! (3.00 / 1)

It really was just a slip of the tongue.  Much worse than the Republicans exploiting it are the Democrats who think Kerry should "shut up."

Had it been a deliberate statement, I can see being upset.  A public speaker flubbed a line from a stump speech.  As if Bush doesn't flub lines all the time.


by scientician on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:41:38 PM EST

Re: Awesome! (none / 0)

and Democrats rip on him every time he misspeaks...hmmm, hypocrisy here?


by heyhey on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:36:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 2)

I saw Kerry's response live yesterday. It was great.  Pulled no punches. Told the truth.  I don't know how this story is being covered today, but if they just run excerpts from that response, it'll help, not hurt.

And, I'm just sayin', the "gaffe" was pretty damned accurate as well, even if it wasn't what he meant to say.


by jayackroyd on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:42:02 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 1)

Thanks Matt!!

I have a serious crush on you for all these brilliant posts! LOL However, this one is one of the best and most important that you've written in a long time. Democrats need to rally, stay loyal and use this event to get Democrats elected. We need to stand up and fight, not through our leaders under the bus because they made a gaffe (from what would have otherwise been a great point).

I was actually crazy enough to go on talk radio, supposively representing my blog, and was pretty shocked at how people were reacting. (I know, it was a talk radio show, so I shouldn't have been surprised... but I like to think that people can be human and decent. Oh well). Anyway, this is what I wrote...

So, where's the irony? It's exactly the same thing John Kerry meant to talk about. There's a serious lack of intellectual curiosity going on in the Bush administration and right-wing circles. When people say things in President Bush's administration and he doesn't like it, they're fired and publicly tarred and feathered. Later, they become the butt of President Bush's jokes and are disgraced by his administration (see Powell, etc.). If that's not the exact reason that we invaded Iraq prematurely and could never right the course, I don't know what is. In fact, I don't think I can put it any better than John Kerry himself:

If you're intellectually lazy... you end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq


~Ryan
by Ryepower12 on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:45:05 PM EST

They're just lying (none / 0)

No. It's not a failure of intellectual self-examination.  They're just lying.


by jayackroyd on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:12:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 1)

All good points.  Brown's comments need to be spread far and wide.  But unfortunately this is going to be a constant battle for us, as the Tauscher statement earlier in the week showed.  

This shows again the need to work overtime to unseat these lame, no guts Dems in the primaries so we can elect some real fighters to office.

The Republicans never back down. Why does the entire Democratic establishment not see that as one of the key reasons the public sees Republicans as strong and Dems as weak?

Kerry learned from his swiftboating in 04; its time other Dems do as well.


Better Progressive Messaging www.progressivemovement.net
by parmenides on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:46:20 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Great post Matt. Yes, we are all supporting Dem candidates this election cycle. But we have to remember this is just the first battle in a long war to reclaim the Dem party and the terms of debate in this country. This cycle we got a few candidates through the primary cycle and hopefully many of them will get elected and will stay true to their grassroots/netroots support and the values they embody. 2008 will be coming soon enough. Its imperative the grassroots/netroots learn from this cycle and get out in front and support early strong challengers in the Dem primary. That's where the real battles exist. And as we change the makeup of the elected Dems we will find the terms of the debate will also change.

About the Kerry brouhaha - is it worse if a gaffe may have caused a slight to our troops or deliberate misleading of the country killed and maimed thousands of our troops?


by ab initio on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:29:45 PM EST
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God Bless You. (none / 0)

I'll repost a comment I made last week.

I don't believe in Indys.  Here is what I believe.  Most Americans already know who they will vote for and how they feel about the issues based on their ideology.  Then, there is a small group that doesn't.  These people aren't independents (OK, maybe there are a few), they are sheeple.  These people follow those who show strength.  The Republicans won over many of these people by playing to their base with no wishy-washy rhetoric (think Kerry saying, well just about anything).  That made them look tough, which lead the sheeple to drink at their fountain of kool-aid.  The right-wing media?  They talk like tough guys, Rush Limbaugh saying he's going to smack someone.  C'mon, have you seen that fat oaf?  Any blogger worth their salt would clean up the floor with him, but he ACTS tough and the sheeple love it. Look at their leaders, Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter.  They all have one thing in common, they act tough and they never apologize.  It's downright Hitleresque.

If you want to win the "Independents", then fight hard for what you believe in, appeal to the base, be relentless and unforgiving and the sheeple will follow.


BlueNC - Progressive NC Politics
by Robert P on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:51:23 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

http://www.votevets.org/ Clark shows some. Wow. Best ad ever. Have you seen the new video add for CNN and FOX through Nov. 7. "Because of Iraq" Because of Iraq Osama bin Laden is still a threat Because of Iraq our military is spread too thin Because of Iraq there are more terrorists in the world Because of Iraq America is less secure So if you see commercials telling you to be afraid of terrorism Remember, It's because of Iraq Provided by Gen. Wesley Clark Vote Vets http://www.votevets.org
by mrobinsong on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:52:11 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Kerry is and was a war hero swift boat captain Vietnam, while George W. Bush ran away to Harvard to grab his 'honorary' MBA right after sneaking into the Air Force Reserve and letting the US spend 10 million of today's dollars teaching him to fly the F102 (which was never used in the war at all). In other words, George W. Bush is a deserter. So let's face the facts here.


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:52:28 PM EST

Re: never, never, ever forget (none / 0)

That on September 11, 2001, when our country was attacked, George W Bush ran away and hid in a hole until it was safe to come out.


by phillydem on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:19:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Right - stay united (none / 0)

Don't get divided over this. Dems dividing and criticizing each other plays exactly into Rethuglican hands.

We already have enough division with torture and habeus corpus. Let's get our shit together in these last few days, and present a united front.


by OH Mark on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:54:41 PM EST

Re: Right - stay united (3.00 / 2)

I hope you'll email Ford's campaign and ask him to not be divisive.  I'm sure he'll get right back to you.


by Matt Stoller on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:01:11 PM EST
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Re: Right - stay united (none / 0)

Excellent suggestion.  The next-to-the-last thing we need is a Lieberman in Tennessee.  


by sozzy on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 03:32:10 PM EST
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It's getting hard to tell (none / 0)

who's joking and who's not.

I take Matt's reply to me as a shot at Ford, but sozzy, you can't be serious.

Ford seems to be doing whatever he thinks is best for his election. It's a pity that often includes throwing other Dems under the bus.

Should Ford actually win, I doubt anyone but the most naive will regard him as a pol who will do or say anything to stay in office.


by OH Mark on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:09:59 PM EST
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You know what REALLY sucks about this whole thing? (3.00 / 1)

You guys don't have much idea what's really happening on the ground in the South.  Democrats down here are running against the national Party in droves, it's true, and it's because the national Party has totally abandoned the South for years.

Case in point.  Gore himself didn't campaign in the South, including his own state.  He did one appearance a couple days before the election.  Meanwhile: no signs, no TV ads, nothing.  Kerry did scratch in any Southern states, even after naming Harold Ford as one of his national campaign cochairs.  What's worse, the DNC aggressively fundraised via phonebanks those two cycles and took all the money out of state, so we couldn't even raise any ourselves to buy yard signs, radio ads or what have you.  They've pretty well issued a gigantic 'screw you' to any Democrat who's asked them for help on anything, until the Dean administration anyway.

Meanwhile, the Republicans pour money in here like water.  Bush is here constantly, so's Cheney, and they have been for the last few years.  Frist and company, who have more money than God, have bought a few radio talk show hosts and so on in order the propagate the message.  So, the Republicans have succeeded at demonizing Democrats and progressive issues, the national Dems offer no support - what would you do, as a candidate trying to win on the ground?

Meanwhile, the actual Swift Boat guys - remember them?  Are on the ground in Tennessee and in great numbers.  Rove himself has set up camp in Nashville.  I suppose you think Harold Ford ought to run out and embrace John Kerry in the middle of downtown.  I'm sure that wouldn't result in even more ads like the despicable 'Call Me' ad...lest you've forgotten, the 101st Airborne is based in Tennessee and there's plenty of hay to be made out of Iraq-related issues.

I sure hope your moral high ground brings you great comfort in 2008, while you're trying to figure out how to win the Presidency without any Southern states save Florida.  Good luck.


by Eleanor A on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:34:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ford didnt have to say it that way (none / 0)

Maybe if he at least pointed out how repubs embraced Coulter after the 9-11 widows comment and RUsh Limbaugh after his Fox comment would have at least provided some balance. He could have also said that "if i didn't know kerry, i would have found such a comment offbase, but knowing Kerry, I know he didn't direct it to our troops. Maybe he should apologise for the gaffe so that we can get on with real business and perceived slights that were not intentional"
But noo. He had to be one sided about it.

I personally don't think Kerry had anything to apologise for even if it wasnt misspoken because as I explained before, he could have framed it as trying to point out how Bush has depleted the army that recrioters are so desperate to find new people that they might try to lure people with no options. But in a red state like TN, I am not going to get bent out of shape if that reasoning is used.

Truth be told, Harold Ford candidacy doesn't bother me as much as LIeberman's. THis is where my pragmatism comes into play. Right now there is no progressive alternative to Ford who can be competitive in that place. So until the alternative is competitive, I will ignore him and not sleep over Ford winning the senate.

In the meantime, I hope he grows a brain and finds a way to bash the republicans when he is trying to be "even handed" about Kerry.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 11:15:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You know what REALLY sucks about this whole th (none / 0)

But don't you think Howard Dean has at least gotten the ball rolling in the right direction (even as the Southern Dems avoid him like the plague)?

I've read so many diaries on Daily Kos from folks in places like Tennessee, about how their local party organization has been neglected for so long that it's basically run by Republicans now, who keep the D label so they can go on collecting the salary.  It's a long process to turn all that around, but I think it's at least underway now.  In the meantime I can't blame guys like Ford at all for not feeling much obligation towards the national party.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Nov 02, 2006 at 12:04:36 AM EST
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Re: You know what REALLY sucks... (none / 0)

You made a number of good points, Eleanor, and I empathize with your situaion in the South.

A couple of weeks ago, I found myself defending Sherrod Brown over his vote on the torture bill. Many commentors on MyDD and DailyKos were threatening to pull their support (money, time, even votes) from the Brown campaign over that issue.

When I said "Ford is a pol" I meant it in more a "realism" way, and less in a disparaging way -- though now that I re-read it, it's hard not to see it as simply disparaging.

I thought Brown was doing what he felt he needed to do to win when he voted for the torture bill. The reasoning he gave, on his website, was basically that it was good enough for John McCain, so it's good enough for him. Come on, that's a lame reason. Clearly I felt Brown was worried about the negative ads this would have produced. Brown saw that this thing was going to pass, so he went with it. Maybe they can come back to it...

Anyway, I am not from the South, but I live in a state that has been under Republican rule for more than a dozen years, so I know what it's like to see Dems co-opt Rethug policies in order to have a chance at being elected. To me, that's what a "pol" does.

I trust that Brown will win in OH. It doesn't look encouraging for Ford in TN at the moment, but I am rooting for him.

And I hope that Dean's 50-state strategy can help the South become more competitive for Dems in 08 and beyond.


by OH Mark on Thu Nov 02, 2006 at 11:53:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's better form (none / 0)

"Because of Iraq"

Because of Iraq Osama bin Laden is still a threat.
Because of Iraq our military is spread too thin.
Because of Iraq there are more terrorists in the world.
Because of Iraq America is less secure.
So if you see commercials telling you to be afraid of terrorism.
Remember, It's because of Iraq.

Provided by Gen. Wesley Clark
Vote Vets
http://www.votevets.org


by mrobinsong on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 01:55:17 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 1)

Thanks, Matt. Excellent post. You certainly have been critical of Kerry in the past - unfairly at times, imo, as I have occasionally expressed.  All the more reason to give you props for this post - you're right on target here, and it's important that you wrote this, when you could have chosen just to stay quiet.

I really think that Dems in most areas could make this a positive if they banded together and used the flap as an excuse to talk about the worst issue for the GOP - Iraq. Yet STILL some prefer to throw one of our best and hardest workers under the bus. Talk about an item for long memories.


by MH in PA on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:02:59 PM EST

Kerry's response is stupid too (none / 0)

Kerry, instead of hiding out, should take the oportunity to go on every single TV show to attack Bush and Cheney over Iraq.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:08:25 PM EST

Re: Kerry's response is stupid too (none / 0)

As I mentioned in Breaking BLue, Kerry could just point out whaat Cheney said in the past about having better things to do during Vietnam. GO on the offense.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 11:16:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ABC Poll (none / 0)

There is a poll over at ABC asking people to vote if it was a botched joke, or he meant to "malign" the troops.  Let's try and make this an overwhelming "botched joke" vote.  We're already losing, let's reverse it.  Just go here and click on the vote link in the middle of the article.  Or goto abcnews.com and right now it's "2" on their front page scroll.


by maddogg on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:10:47 PM EST

Re: ABC Poll (none / 0)

We're not losing any more. :)


by phillydem on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:34:11 PM EST
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Talk about no balls. (3.00 / 0)

Your calling out of Harold Ford instead of Jon Tester.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:14:38 PM EST

Re: Talk about no balls. (none / 0)

Damn... no balls?  Harsh lol


by MyDD Fan on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:18:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Talk about no balls. (3.00 / 2)

If Tester chooses to make running against the Democratic Party his signature strategy, I'll call him out.  He hasn't.  


by Matt Stoller on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:24:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Talk about no balls. (3.00 / 1)

lol let's have a blog-off

(btw, I totally agree with you Matt. It's why Lieberman totally sucks when there are other guys who buck the party just as often, but don't rub it in our face >>> they're loyal. It's pretty clear that Harold Ford is much more like Lieberman than other right-of-center Democrats).


~Ryan
by Ryepower12 on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:48:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Harold Ford has already exhausted his goodwill (none / 0)

We give slack to candidates who earned it. If Tester made a habit of this, I think more would have called him out on this.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 11:17:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 0)

What pisses me off most about this is not the words, it's that for the moment the campaign is about John Kerry and has for a couple days at least taken the spotlight off Republicans.

Of course it was a botched joke!  But that doesn't matter because this is politics, and a misstatement takes away from the news that Sweeney beat his wife, takes away from the 103 US troops that died in Iraq in October, and takes away from Democratic candidates trying to make their closing statements.

John Kerry lost the last campaign, we don't need him to lose this one, too.  I am so livid.  Jon Tester called Kerry "stupid," Ford said "I'm a Christian, I take him at his word, but he should apologize," Hillary Clinton said the remarks aren't appropriate.

Not to mention it provides red meat to the Republican base, possibly turns off voters who were beginning to see that Democrats DO care about the military, and doesn't really do anything to pump up our already pumped up base.  When did Kerry get on the Republican payroll?


by MyDD Fan on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:18:12 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

I think you need to reread Matt's blog...


~Ryan
by Ryepower12 on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:49:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 1)

Where was this John Kerry in 2004.  
Balls Brass and Courage under Fire
by kmwray on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:27:09 PM EST

This blog article makes no sense. (none / 0)

"To those people who are running scared about John Kerry's misstatement...The fact that it's a controversy is actually not John Kerry's fault, it's yours."

I'm a Democrat who is concerned that this bogus controversy could affect close races by getting Republicans to the polls.

Therefore, I created the controversy?

That makes no sense.


by Eric Jaffa on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:31:43 PM EST

Maturity Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 1)

Totally with you, Matt.  It's not just integrity, but a person of a certain maturity simply refuses to freak every time a wine glass hits the linoleum.

People are testy and stressed.  You probably are, your partners are stressed, that's clear.  Yet it is so good to recognize that good government (and good politics, too) requires that one not projectile vomit like some South Park character after every flub or hiccup, or every time Tony Headroom reads his cue cards for Crazy Uncle Bush chained down in the approval-rating cellar.


by Crablaw on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:31:47 PM EST

Who cares what Ford says? (none / 0)

He's going to lose anyway. I'd rather concentrate on helping Jim Webb and Claire McCaskill, so we don't have to worry about Harold Ford.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:33:49 PM EST

Re: Who cares what Ford says? (none / 0)

And Lamont!

Ford will be just another Loserman. A repub enabler who will stab the Dems in the back at each and every opportunity.


by ab initio on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:37:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's my advice to Lamont (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/11/1/1237 36/859#readmore

Not that anyone's going to take it.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:41:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here's my advice to Lamont (none / 0)

That's a good suggestion. Ned needs to focus on peeling off the 35% of Dems that plan to vote for Joementum.


by ab initio on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 06:07:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Gee, thanks (none / 0)

Your comments are a real shot in the arm to people out here working our asses off in red states.

I don't think the average Massachusetts Democrat would last five minutes working in politics in the South.  We're out here fighting like hell to stop the Republicans from illegalizing abortion in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother (while Pennsylvania Democrats get a total pass on Casey, I might add); from outlawing homosexuality, period; and from making Bible study in school mandatory.

Must be nice to be able to cruise to victory on progressive social issues, all the while enjoying beaucoup support from the national Democratic Party.  Until Dean came along, the national Democratic Party didn't have the phone number of any state Democratic offices south of the Mason Dixon, save Florida.

All you northern Democrats who know best what issues ought to play down here are welcome to come down here and try.  We could use the help, and it'd be a lot more productive than the constant condescension that's coming out of many so-called Democratic websites these days.


by Eleanor A on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:41:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Hesiod Its sad to say... But for the 1st time I agree with you regarding Ford.  He's going to loose.  He has shown no god damn LOYALTY. And thats shameful!!


by nzubechukwu on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:39:44 PM EST

It's not about Loyalty. (none / 0)

Ford, to this point, has run a virtually perfect campaign. Plus, he's charismatic, and Bob Corker is a loser who has run a relatively poor camplaign.

Yet, despite all of that, Ford could never move more than a couple points ahead of Corker in the polls.

I hate to say it, but the fact that he's black makes it harder for Ford to convince white voters in Tennessee that he's really a conservative Democrat.

The problem is not that white Tennesseeans would nmever vote for a black candidate. It's that they view black candidates as "liberals," or Democratiuc machine politicians.

So, they don't trust Ford's rhetoric. That makes Corker's "he's a liberal" attacks seem more plausible.

Bottom line is, Ford is probably not going to win. And even if he did, he'd be more of a Mark Pryor style Democrat anyway. A guy who will buck the party on a myriad of issues to placate his home state.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:46:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not about Loyalty. (none / 0)

No, a senators job is to represent his states interest, not yours. or someone elses. Ford will do just fine, as the person responsible for making Harry Reid, anotehr prolife senator - the new senate leader.

Let me offer you a bit of advice. Do you remember dean's candidacy? He made mistake, after mistake.

And there were these hopelessly naive people in his campaign that kept circling the wagons, tigher and tighter so that uncle howie wouldn't know.

Well, the senate will be an interesting place. If Tennessee wants to be less of a blue state than say California, fine. But if you are saying it would be nicer red, my feeling is that you just want to try to hurt the south when the democrats ultimately win. Either that, or you think that the received wisdom of the DC insiders like Matt Stoller, namely that people like McCain are going to hit a chink in the democrats armor by pretending to be moderate and get elected like lieberman - will lose the candidacy.

There is too much of this. Please understand you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the south and you need to remember that the greatest population shift is here, and a victory is a victory. Don't tell us here that we would be better off losing, ok?


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:49:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not about Loyalty. (none / 0)

I'd prefer it if Ford won. But, reality is he's going to lose.

I suggest concentrating on those Senate races we CAN win, like Missouri and Virginia.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:53:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (3.00 / 1)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post.  I cannot believe the feeding frenzy that is occurring because of this.  AND THAT IS BEING DIRECTED AT KERRY!  Kerry misspoke, came out swinging, gave Dems the out to refocus on Iraq and they F*CKED IT UP!  It's unbelievable.


by IsThisOverYet on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 02:43:43 PM EST

More On The Alkies (none / 0)

What about the latest on the alkies? Hmm. Just checked with One Pissed Off Veteran:

http://opovet.blogspot.com/

He still has it that the Jenna and Barbara Bush twins are partying down in Georgetown (with occasional eco-tourism stints in Australia, Africa, etc.) Barb. graduated from Yale with a degree in humanities in 2004. Jenna graduated the University of Texas at Austin with a degree in English in 2004. NEITHER OF THEM HAVE SINCE BEEN SEEN (as of Nov 1, 2006) WITHIN TWO MILES OF ANY MILITARY RECRUITING OFFICE.


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 03:08:30 PM EST

Best post (none / 0)

This is the best post I've ever seen you write Matt -- and I say this as someone who very often disagrees with you.

Ford started to lose me with his comments on the NJ Supreme Court ruling, but he's definitely lost me after this. Even though I disagreed with him, I thought he was a fighter who'd stand up to the GOP -- his recent comments have proven that he's just another LieberDem.

Thank God for future-Senator Sherrod Brown!


TAKE BACK OUR PARTY: Democracy Bonds
by LiberalFromPA on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 03:13:36 PM EST

Re: Best post (none / 0)

harold ford only asked for an apology , mr. bowers.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:39:33 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Yesterday when Scarbarough admiringly covered Kerry's defense of his remark  and also covered Rangel's calling Cheney an SOB, I wondered if the Dems had not done this deliberately to show that they were willing to take on Bush and fight for what they believed in.  I was delighted, as it was clearly working.  Rangell did a wonderful job defending his calling Cheney an SOB and highlighting the issues Dems are running on, and reminded everybody of what Cheney's "Go F yourself" remarks.

Sadly, that fantasy died today.
Bobbles


by bobbles on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 03:18:16 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

I think my points have been made, but I just wanted to chime in for emphasis. This should not be seen by dems as a gaffe to ignore or move past or put behind us, instead it should be seen as an opportunity to maintain focus on the disaster of Iraq. 14 years ago it was "the economy, stupid." now it's Iraq. Dems all over should be taking the opportunity to say, "John Kerry's stupid joke didn't get 3000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed. John Kerry's joke didn't make the world less safe. John Kerry's joke didn't send too few troops, with inadequate protection and no plan to occupy a dangerous country on the basis of lies and bad information and hubris. George Bush and his republican congress did that. Which is why they are trying to change the subject and why you should vote against them on Tuesday."


by jujube on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 03:21:24 PM EST

Meanwhile, Bush just left a US soldier to die (none / 0)

Andrew Sullivan rips into Bush for abandoning an American soldier to the enemy.


by Phoenix Woman on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 03:29:38 PM EST

Stoller is absolutely right! (none / 0)

I've been taken up with other matters - but, from what I'm reading here, Dems have once more grabbed snafu out the jaws of golden opportunity.

Kerry clearly flubbed, there's no conceivable issue of substance, Dem MCs could have united with a message that put Bush's crapping all over the troops front and center.

(Even the media stenos would have to report it!)

Instead - well, Kerry came back - though the Youtube of it was five mins, compared with five secs of flub! - but otherwise the Dem message is scrambled, as per usual.

Amazing that, in these days of emails, IMs and so forth, coordination between Dem high ups seems an impossible dream.

(The reaction to the Feingold censure motion was the classic there, but this looks pretty bad.)

However, the main effect of Kerrygate, I suspect, will not putting off potential Dem voters but (temporarily) demoralizing Dem activists.


by skeptic06 on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:08:23 PM EST

Bush is too incompetent to know... (none / 0)

he is being called incompetent.  A different take of, "Bush is to stupid to know he is being called stupid."  

I stand by Kerry.  Great post!  But Kerry should hire a speech writer to help him deliver memorable one-liners.  Let me be clear, the gop was going to attack him/Democrats no matter what.  This attack on Sen.  Kerry is in line with, "Democrats do not support the troops and we do."  That has has been the gop strategy all along.  Now, Kerry desperately needs to have someone that can help him devise succint one-liners.  Unfortanetly, I only remember his famous, " I voted for it before I voted against it line" from  the 2004 campaign.  In contrast, Sen.  Edwards, "There are two Americas, one for them and one for the rest of us" still engraved in my mind.


by jncamane on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:08:27 PM EST

Matt Stoller and Harold Ford (none / 0)

Oh, Matt - are you really going to break out your whip now, for Harold? Why don't you wait until after the election, when you and Harold Ford, Jr. can both get into the proper uniform for such activity.

By the Way , Matt - Kerry just responded to Harold Fords - what you called "throwing him under the bus" comment that he should give a full and formal apology -

By Giving a Full and Formal Apology

Sigh. I guess now the republican and democrat hate machines will have to turn away from Kerry and Ford, resp.

Of course, a bitchy blogosphere and some talk radio host that no one listens to don't exactly matter, but then again so what. If "Give 'em hell, Harry!" becomes senate majority leader I will be happy enough.  I support Harold Ford and the idea that the Democratic party has to be some kind of crushingly uniform , tiny little tent is as lame as  having gay pedophiles writing child safety laws.


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:32:54 PM EST

Kerry's a fucking idiot... (3.00 / 1)

...for apologizing. That's why he fucking lost in 2004.

This is the Dick Durbin and Francine Busby all over again.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:50:47 PM EST
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Re: Kerry's a fucking idiot... (none / 0)

I DEMAND an apology for this apology. NOW lameass!


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 07:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

<snark> Oh, please no, please don't hurt me, I'm sorry, I won't do it again (sniff, sniff). </snark>

Why are we so scared of people who have never shown any courage, have never served, whose primary spokescreature is a puffy, lying, impotent drug addict ... get a back bone people. Our response to Kerry's remarks should have been, "Yeah, that's what he said. You gotta f*cking problem with it?"


by Bob Miller on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:38:22 PM EST

"Bring it on." (none / 0)

Every Democrat asked about John Kerry should repeat this Bush quote and say: "George W. Bush invited our enemies to kill our troops."

Instead we get wussbag Hillary saying Kerry's comment was "inappropriate."


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 04:49:03 PM EST

Re: "Bring it on." (none / 0)

She must think that everything George Fallout Sheltered Bush says is right on. She's a great Democrat, huh? I just might vote for Nader yet.


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 07:53:48 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

To those people who are running scared about John Kerry's misstatement, I have a simple message.  Get some integrity.  John Kerry served in the military and put his life on the line for this country.

So what? That doesn't matter to Fox News. And the opinion of Fox News is all that matters. Fox News gets to decide what John Kerry did or didn't do in Vietnam, and Fox News gets to decide what John Kerry did or didn't say. We don't have any control over these things-- and neither, really, does John Kerry. It's all a matter of what Fox News decides happened.

And Fox News right now has decided that John Kerry went on television yesterday and insulted serving troops. If you are on John Kerry's side, you are on the side of insulting serving troops. Fox News Hath Spoken, So Shall It Be.

So all of you who have decided that it's good politics to throw Kerry under the bus are both disloyal and strategically short-sighted.

No, you misunderstand. We're not doing anything. Kerry, however, has been throwing us under a bus-- Democrats, Democrat voters-- for the last two or three years. And right just now, yesterday, John Kerry threw us under the bus again.

What John Kerry really meant when he spoke, or whether Kerry had some kind of beautiful apology or explanation of his comments the next day (such apologies don't exist unless Fox News decides they do), or whether in theory John Kerry served his country, army and congress for however many decades-- all these things do not matter. What matters is:

1. One week before an unbelievably important election, John Kerry and the Bush White House, working together, changed the subject in the media from the huge number of things that actually matter in this election, and onto the subject of John Kerry.

2. There is no way that the subject of John Kerry can ever be good for the Democrats. The man is a walking GOP talking point. He is not redeemable in the eyes of the public, and never will be. There is no way to turn John Kerry's little october surprise into a positive for the Democrats, except to change the subject.

3. How do we change the subject away from John Kerry and onto something important?

Seriously, you cannot spin this into something good. The only way for the Democrats to escape from the trap that is John Kerry is to get America to think about something else, quick.

...

On the bright side, while it's possible that the Democratic party might before the election manage to recover from John Kerry's media suicide bombing, I think it's pretty certain that John Kerry's political career is now finally over. It was flopping around in half-life for a little while there, but yeah, now it's dead. Thank God. One fewer DLCer to worry about in the 2008 primaries.


by Silent sound on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:04:27 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Ya, and what's not true about what Kerry said.  I personally laid out military recruiters all up and down the Northshore after one of them called up my second daughter on a cell phone she only had a month.  How, perhaps did they come by her "new" number.  How perhaps did they know her entire life's history.  Livid I was.
They are all owned by somebody, politicians that is.  And they can take all this flag waving, rah, rah, horray for the USA an stick it up their corporate.
www.spp.gov
Just like Mexico by 2010, and your paycheck?
Worthless Ameros.  That's what Kerry should have said, then again he is a Skull, and beholden to his corporate masters.
by Lasthorseman on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:11:17 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

lasthorseman:

....one of them called up my second daughter on a cell phone she only had a month.  How, perhaps did they come by her "new" number.  How perhaps did they know her entire life's history.

Put enough black cameras in those supermarkets, and Big Brother has a hardon 24/7. This is the age of Total Intimate Awareness, y'know. The Mandarins are keeping a close eye out on the peasants. Vampires have the right to use this data to locate your neck now. WEAR A SCARF!!!


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 08:05:02 PM EST
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BROWN BAG OVER YOUR HEAD (none / 0)

SO DO LIKE I DO. WEREVER YOU GO, WEAR A BROWN BAG OVER YOUR HEAD. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO WEAR A BROWN BAG IN A FREE DEMOCRACY. (Keep a morror on for the holes in the back -- the fascist bullies kike to sneak up.)


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 08:09:43 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Yes, they did know all about her.  And really I would not speak out against service to a real country, not what the US is today.


by Lasthorseman on Sun Nov 05, 2006 at 01:58:00 PM EST
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So... (none / 0)

"the opinion of Fox News is all that matters."

Wow. To that I reply, matters to whom? Their viewers? How many of them (and their ratings are down a fair amount since 2004 btw), are voting for Democratic candidates anywhere, anyway?

In a comment thread above I mentioned that it was getting hard to tell who's joking and who's not...

This MUST be a joke if you consider this "John Kerry's media suicide bombing" and that it will IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY, affect the election.

That's just crazy.

"How do we change the subject away from John Kerry and onto something important?"

Um, bring up something else, just about ANYthing else. Wake me up if this is still being covered, IN THE SAME WAY, and not as a (positive for us) segue to talk about the reality in Iraq, by Friday.


by OH Mark on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:28:10 PM EST

Fordism (none / 0)

That TN race seems more foreign to me than any other.  I look at Ford and I just do not get it.  But I hope he wins just he same.

As for Kerry:  poor guy just got chopped up by the GOP hit gangs, that's all.  I realize he's probably been reigned in by the entire Dem leadership, but I just can't get mad at the guy for what happened.

The GOP is so lost right now they've settled on a closing strategy that seems to be pretending this is the 2004 election so they can feel good about beating up Kerry again.   That's fine with me, frankly.


by Jeffrey Feldman on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:28:53 PM EST

Re: the dirty secret (none / 0)

Here's the truth, the military gives IQ and aptitude tests. They don't waste the best and brightest as "grunts" who are most likely to be killed in combat.
The services can't afford to do that. They have to maximize their resources, and that's what soldiers,
sailors and marines are. The smartest kids are segregated out and sent to OTS/OCS.
by phillydem on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:30:29 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Ya, and magically as if ordered to do so by central command today's entire "news" bandwidth will consist of jr. high school mentality comments about what some senator from massachusetts said.
http://www.scl.cc/home.php
Where was that Pentagon ramps up domestic psy-ops budget piece?
by Lasthorseman on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 05:52:17 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

If you have a high speed connection, watch this. It's from the Golden Age when the fascist media conspiracy didn't even bother to hide it's manipulations from people who had good satceivers!!!:

http://www.archive.org/download/ill-art/ spin.mp4

It's 60 minutes long and well done.


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 08:18:23 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

>>>Since he thinks that the Democratic Party and its base are poisonous, he can use me to triangulate and prove that he is anti-government, anti-gay, pro-life, and pro-war.  He can gay-bait away against a cowardly opponent and assume that his obviously corrupt family doesn't matter.  That's fine.

Apparently the Democratic base in TN didn't get the memo, and a lot of decent, progressive, and dedicated Democrats are currently working really hard to defeat Bob Corker and -- just perhaps -- to deliver a Senate majority.  

Nevertheless, I'm sure that they'll really appreciate these sentiments.

Ford is an imperfect candidate, but what exactly does a state Dem organization do when Chuck Schumer steps in to undermine the democratic process?  We weren't allowed to have a friggin' competitive primary in this state.  New York's Senator decided he knew better than the people of Tennessee who was most electable.

And then to ice the post with a call to rally behind anti-gay marriage legalization, pro-life, woulda-voted-for-the-War Bob Casey?  Nice touch.


by Andy Axel on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 06:52:53 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Casey didn't throw the party under the bus six days before an election.


by Matt Stoller on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

The whole party?  Wow.  That's funny, I thought he was being critical of a remark that John Kerry made.

Hey, I guess I'll go work for and vote for the ActBlue Democrat running for Senate in Tennessee.

Whoops.  There isn't one!

If you're ready to write TN off as a lost cause, by all means.  Just say so.  I live here, so I can't afford that luxury.  Harold Ford is 90% rated by LCV, 91% by the NEA, rated F by the NRA, and 86% by the AFL-CIO.  I'll take my chances with that over a Bush rubber stamp any day of the week.


by Andy Axel on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 09:46:01 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

Unless you plan on finding a new candidate to replace Ford and Tester, quit talking shit about them one week before the election.  They've run good races and I know you don't prefer Senators Corker and Burns.

Remember last year, when Markos called Tim Kaine a coward for pulling his ads from Steve Gilliard's site to avoid a blackface controversy right before the election?  It was a bush move.  Next week will be the time to point out, "Gee, Bob Casey and Sherrod Brown had no problem turning the Kerry thing to their advantage, and they won easily.  Maybe Dems should consider being less spineless."  But for today, lecturing Harold Ford on how you know exactly the way for him to close the deal accomplishes nothing.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:32:23 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

...lecturing Harold Ford on how you know exactly the way for him to close the deal accomplishes nothing.

Well, except for diverting much-needed support from HFJ to the slate of "ActBlue"-approved candidates.

(In case MyDD readers didn't see it, Corker just tripped the "millionaire's clause" by donating another $2M for ads to his own campaign, so maxed-out Ford supporters can now donate up to $12K.)


by Andy Axel on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:41:46 PM EST
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Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

$2 million, huh?  That sure doesn't sound like a guy who's got this thing wrapped up.  And yet we hear people boldly proclaiming that Ford has no shot, as if they have any f'in clue.

Keep fighting.  What Ford has accomplished to date is nothing short of incredible.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Nov 02, 2006 at 12:08:12 AM EST
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Re: Ford (none / 0)

It never ceases to amaze me how people holed up in DC think they know better than those who are out in the provinces how campaigns in the provinces should be run.  

Hint: It ain't all about you and the issues that you hold most dear.  

You folks are sounding more and more like the DLC everyday.

And seriously, Matt, wrapping a hit piece in cynicism doesn't make it any less a hit piece.


by Disputo on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 07:17:59 PM EST

Re: Ford (none / 0)

Hey Dipputo, trying to make bullshit sould like "advice" doesn't add much to its rosy fragrance.


by blues on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 08:23:53 PM EST
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Keep the Ford-Phobia in your pants (none / 0)

Seriously.  Anyone who's serious wants to win in TN.  And we know how the right-wing spin machine works; that's what makes gaffes like Kerry's irksome - not frightening, irksome.  He should know better by now, and it sticks that much better because he doesn't.


by fstilicho on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:02:43 PM EST

Re: Strength Sells. Show Some. (none / 0)

I just saw the worthless Hilary Clinton salivating like a dog because Rove has ordered all Dems to attack their fellow Dem Kerry by telling the lie he attacked the troops. When he rings the bell, most Dems turn into robots and fall into line with his dictates. Hilary dutifully followed his orders and attacked Kerry. Dems have been doing this all day. Ford and a bunch of others have fallen in line to
Rove's command.

Where is Obama?

They do not even deserve to be a Party much less win.

MikeR


by miker on Wed Nov 01, 2006 at 10:33:55 PM EST


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