Perspective on the Recent Polls

Boy oh boy, did I choose the wrong day to travel. The generic ballot polls to come out today are just absolutely mind-blowing. 21 points in CNN? 23 points in Gallup? Granted, the Gallup survey has real problems with its likely voter screen. It tends to measure partisan voter excitement, and so it will swing heavily with the latest news in any election. I don't think that is a very good way to measure the electorate, but it does show just how severely the Foley cover-up has hit the Republican base. This scandal has the potential to develop into a long-term voter retrenchment problem for the white, conservative, evangelical Republican base. A lot of them may just go back to not participating in politics altogether.

But now, for some perspective. The seven congressional ballots conducted entirely post-Foley produce a mean of Democrats 53.7%--38.1% Republicans (seven-poll mean. Sounds pretty big, right? That is because it is. Here are some recent national vote totals for all House elections:
  • 1994: Republicans 52.4%--45.2% Democrats. Republicans won 230 seats.
  • 1998: Republicans 49.1%--47.7% Democrats. Republicans won 223 seats.
  • 2000: Republicans 48.3%--47.9% Democrats. Republicans won 221 seats.
  • 2002: Republicans 51.0%--45.9% Democrats. Republicans won 228 seats.
  • 2004: Republicans 50.1%--47.5% Democrats. Republicans won 232 seats.
It doesn't take a genius to see that the current Democratic lead of 15.6% is far larger than anything Republicans managed when they consistently won about 230 seats. However, as amazing as this all seems, it is time for some perspective on our current lead:
  • 1. Republicans still control the maps. As we can see form the totals above, 2004 congressional maps were much more favorable to Republicans than were the 2002 maps, thanks to Texas redistricting. Also, the 2002 maps were much more favorable to Republicans than were the maps in the 1990's, thanks to Democrats losing many state legislatures and governorships, and thanks to improved redistricting software. Since we are facing new and improved Republican maps (including the new ones in Georgia) there is no telling just how many seats a popular vote win like this would translate into. This is not to mention that without the Gallup poll, which this far out is unreliable, the Democratic lead is actually "only" 14.3%, not 15.6%.

  • 2. The Republican brand is trashed, but individual Republicans might not be. In a recent Democracy Corps generic ballot of 45 Republican-held districts (PDF), Democrats led by six on the generic ballot, but trailed by three on the named ballot. Remember that in an environment like this, where the Republican Party is itself tarnished, individual, named, incumbent Republicans will typically fare better than the generic version of the party. We will have the Incumbent Rule to help cancel out this effect, but right now we should not assume that a big generic lead means a big lead for individual Democrats facing well-known incumbents.

  • 3. Democrats have consistently performed better in the generic ballot than in the final vote. Disturbingly, in all but three of the last thirty congressional elections (going back to 1946), Democrats have actually performed better in the final generic ballot than they performed in the final national vote total. While that is not a good omen, it does not mean that it is a lock that Democrats will perform worse from the final generic ballot to the final vote totals. Then again, I still firmly believe that our excellent recruiting this year will help reverse that trend (that, and I'd also wager large sums of money that Democrats are going to turn out at higher rates than Republicans this year).

  • 4. Doing well in the popular vote total helps, but does not guarantee big gains in the House. This was possibly the most disturbing lesson of all to take from these two posts. It seems pretty clear that doing better in the national popular vote results in taking more seats (duh), but it is not a guarantee that even a very large popular vote win (up to 6%) will result in a large majority in the House of Representatives. The gains are going to have to come where they count the most in order for Democrats to take over. Fortunately, the only information we have on the most competitive races indicates that Democrats are indeed making significant gains where they count the most (see also the Democracy Corps poll previously linked).
Democrats look to be headed for control of the House, but these polls cannot give us a reliable estimate of how many seats Democrats will win next month. It could still be very narrow control. Further, with this much time left, there is still an opportunity for Republicans to recover and maintain narrow control. I wanted to write this lest people start discussing Democratic landslides that approach 50-60 seats, which are the sort of expectations that can only produce huge letdowns and bad post-election media narratives. Perhaps even more worrisome, over-reaching expectations can cause voter and activist retrenchment if Republicans start to close the gap in the final few weeks, and our unrealistic hopes no longer seem achievable.

Unless something truly remarkable happens in individual district polling, I will never forecast a Democratic gain anywhere near 50 seats. No one should. However, even with all of the caveats I listed above, polls like these do suggest that it is now likely that not only will Democrats win Congress, but that they could very well do so with a majority surpassing anything Republicans have put together since 1994. To pull that off, Democrats would need a 30-seat gain, making their total number of seats 233. Once we pass 218, hitting 233 seems like a pretty darn good target to me. Anything after 233 is just, well, kind of hard to believe. A thirty-seat gain would be our largest in thirty-two years, so that is already shooting pretty high. Let's not get our hopes up beyond that, because I don't see either what good it would do us, or how it is all that probable.



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Re: Perspective on the Recent Polls (3.00 / 2)

Chris

You might be somewhat too pessimistic here.  The effect of partisan gerrymandering is to maximize your seats by spreading your support more efficiently, i.e. instead of 2 60% democratic districts, make three 54% districts.  This is fine in most normal elections, resulting in minimal losses of seats.  But in a wave election which seems increasingly likely to occur now, partisan gerrymandering actually makes the majority party more vulnerable.  Thus, while 13-16 might seem reasonable right now, one or two percentage points might actually be the difference between 15 seats and 50.  Look at the huge swing that occurred in '94 from 7 percentage points.


by Jonathan Schwartz on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:45:24 PM EST

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Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I don't want our hopes to run out of control.
by Chris Bowers on Mon Oct 09, 2006 at 11:46:00 PM EST
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Your pessimism is warranted. In '04 I worked with MoveOn and helped get Kerry 1s and 2s to the polls and we guesstimated from signage and the 3s and 4s (and occasional 5s) that we turned up that the GOP was in full retreat. Instead, in record turnout in our traditionally blue (but blue-collar, Joe Sixpack, Reagan Dem) district, we also had a record GOP turnout.

Nixon called them the "silent majority". They may not always be a majority, but they sure have the capability to, as it were, play poker.

I'm sitting on a 10 to 20 gain. And I'm not moving.


by Dan Hartung on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:39:02 AM EST
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Right... that's exactly what happened in Texas.  The much-talked about Republican redistricting in 2004 had the effect of weakening Republican majorities in some of the already-Republican districts, meaning that in the case of a tidal wave or, I don't know, say, the incumbent being indicted and resigning from Congress, Republicans can actually lose those seats.

Having a bunch of 55 percent Republican seats is better (for the Republicans, anyway) than having a couple of 60-65% Republican seats and a few 50% seats under normal electoral circumstances.  But these hardly qualify as normal circumstances.

In fact, much of Democrats' gerrymandering in the '90s backfired because the tidal wave of 1994 was powerful enough to sink quite a few Democrats holding such seats.  I think a lot of Republicans are realizing that this Congress has done nothing for them.


by Tom on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:02:20 AM EST
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Great point. This used to happend all the time in the 19th century. They used to redistrict mid-decade all the time. And without modern technology, and with major immigration and migration, voter identification was very difficult. But sporadic economic depressions or scandals would devastate majorities that had recently redistricted for itself. It happened quite dramatically in Ohio in the 1874 election. The GOP government redistricted after the 1872 victory (with Grant't re-election at the top). But the depression broke out in 1873, and the close-call victories the GOP planned on for the Congressional election all turned against them. The Democrats picked up a huge majority of seats in OH and 1874, and even took over the House of Representatives for the first time since before the Civil War. Redistricting was supposed to guarantee continued Republican rule. Instead, it backfired.


by elrod on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:02:47 AM EST
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You are right about this.  Also, a fair amount of what people attribute to gerrymandering is the self-fulfilling prophecy of the "targeting" strategy--strong candidates don't come out as eagerly in second tier races if they don't think they will be supported.  

But by mid-2005 it began to look like the GOP just might be vulnerable, and with a hard push from this and other sites, there was good candidate recruitment, and then strong fundraising.  So now there are 40-50 races that potentially could flip, out of which we should be able to get 20-30, if people continue to work hard and our candidates push hard to the finish.

Much of Rove's supposed genius was based on appearance and bluster--sort of like our military force.  But a sustained (and unexpected, at least at first) counter-attack from the Dems has worn them down and energized our troops, while their incompetence at governing has been on display since January 1, 2005, and it is getting through.  The best we can hope for is that they are demoralized enough that many of them stay home and some swear off politics for good.


by Mimikatz on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:09:38 AM EST
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Yes, gerrymandered districts tend to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Democrats believe that there's no way they can win a House seat in this district, so they don't field a strong candidate, and don't fund the race, etc., because they don't think it's worth it.

These days, this problem is exacerbated by people who think alike living close to each other.  So you get, for example, CO-01 and CO-06, districts that are adjacent to one another yet send liberal Diana DeGette and wingnut Tom Tancredo to the House, respectively.


by Tom on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 03:52:24 PM EST
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Now, what worries me... (none / 0)

Great comments, Chris!  First, I must say that I'm excited about this lead!  Really excited!  However, I'm also worried.  Republican's are now armed for winning elections (even when they don't technically "win"!).  Their extensive talk-radio and right wing media will repeat a very consistent, focuses, and often deadly message (even if that message is a lie).  They are very good at finding messages that stick (e.g. flip-flopper, cut and run, etc...).  Their "Voter Vault" surgically targets their likely votes and ensures they show up at the polls.  They are well connected with the election administrators and voting machine vendors (e.g. Blackwell in OH and Katherine Harris in FL).  They (read "Rove") have continually been successful at destroying a candidate's character (albeit with lies) and rendering them "unelectable" (e.g. Ann Richards' sexuality in TX and McCain's love-child, and with Pelosi right now).  Lately, I've been listening to some right-wing talk radio (during commercial breaks on Air America), and they tell a confident convincing story for somebody who doesn't have the full set of facts (I am continually appalled by how they unabashedly still spinning the Foley sex scandal as a Democratically lead political ploy and not about the actually sexual harassment of minors that it really is).  They have a ton of cash.  They don't mind lying.  They have the advantage that their spokes person is the leader of free world (that would be Bush) and will always draw a crowd and free press.  Most of this infrastructure did not exist so strongly until recently.

As a scientist, I have trusted data my whole life, and therefore love these polls and the whole approach taken by Chris and the MyDD team!  However, I have also observed that the Republican war machine (that is, the machine that consistently wins elections) is aimed, armed, and desperate.  They are still on talk shows saying that they will keep control (despite come counter examples) with great confidence.  When Ed Gillespie was on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart asked him (somewhat rhetorically), "Why are the Republican's so effective at managing/winning elections, but so bad at governing?" (not direct quote).  Winning elections is what this group does best.  

So, my question to this group is this:  Despite these great poll results, why shouldn't I be worried about Chris's caveats and everything else I just mentioned above?  I don't want to wake up with the same hangover I had on November 8th, 2004.  


by smeyers on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:00:29 AM EST

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Am I wrong, or is it getting too late for Republicans to come up with a narrative or messaging that will stick?  They were developing the "flip-flopper" thing against Kerry in early spring 2004.  And they've been working "cut and run" since their sham vote in response to Murtha last November.  These things take time to develop.  It seems pretty clear that "cut and run" is not sticking or working very successfully (especially after what Warner and Baker have said).  If this message has failed, are they now out of time? Is it too late for them?  I'd like to hear what people think.


by KernBlue on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:20:18 AM EST
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I think you're exactly right.  The obvious theme from the GOP regarding Iraq has been to paint the Democrats as "cut and run."  The sham Murtha vote was an example of a pure political vote and attempt into goading Dems to split over Iraq.  The reality is that Dems are united against the way that the Bushies are running things into the ground.  The shameful Rovian politics hasn't worked and Democrats are united in that they want major change.  As we will see in this election, so does the majority of the nation.


by wintersnowman on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:45:39 PM EST
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Right now, most polls show us picking up 15-20 seats.

Has anyone ever studied how many seats we might pick up under the 1990's apportionment?  That would be interesting to see. I suspect it would be around 50?


by NewHopeLiberal on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:05:57 AM EST

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Almost all of those polls on individual districts are pre-Foley. Who knows where things stand now. It could already be up to 25-30 seats.
by Chris Bowers on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:13:18 AM EST
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Thanks for that information, Chris. I sure hope we pick up 25-30 seats.

Have you ever considered looking into the impact of gerrymandering?  If we went back to the 1990s apportionment, approximately how many seats could
we pick up?  I realize this would be a very rough
approximation, but it would shed some light on the issue of so many non-competitive districts and politicians picking their voters rather than voters their politicians.


by NewHopeLiberal on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:32:12 AM EST

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What's the point?  Besides, the impact of redistricting is overrated.  See The Redistricting Myth.  Much of what is attributed to redistricting is really the consequence of targeting, not spreading the field.  

But in a wave election, redistricting actually creates more vulnerable R seats, because their R's are spread thinner.  Right now Cook has the Dems with 183 safe seats, and 19 lean or likely Dem.  The R's have only 174 safe seats, and 59  competitive, of which 3 are ranked "Lean Dem" (4, counting Reynolds in NY-26) and 25 are toss-ups.  That is based on mostly pre-Foley polling.


by Mimikatz on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:16:38 AM EST
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And CQ politics, which is pretty careful in its views, has the R's down to 168 safe seats to 184 for the Dems.


by Mimikatz on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:25:56 AM EST
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Mr. Bowers,

Thanks for taking the time to post these cautionary notes.  It's very easy to get sky-high about the possibilities, but prior to an election that euphoria can actually undercut the results we're trying to achieve.

While I hope for decent pickup in the House, my only real goal is to win the House, even if only by one seat.  The amount of power that would change hands in that case would still be enormous, and the Bush White House would be constantly on the defensive for the next two years.

Again, thanks for the context.


by MarkB on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:14:33 AM EST

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I will be very happy with strong gains but no control in either chamber.  We are on the verge of historic, humiliating failure in Iraq, and it will be best for us if the Republicans take the blame all by themselves.


by Bob H on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 07:16:32 AM EST

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I strongly disagree.  A loss here for Democrats would be to fall short control of one chamber.  The effect of such a scenario would be devastating, I think.  We would truly have to do soul-searching as a movement if Dems were not able to make strong gains in such a political enviornment.

That being said, I don't think it's going to happen.  I think that many prognosticators are low-balling estimates because the wrong thing to do would be to build up great hope and have those hopes dashed on election day.  

I think Chris, Kos, and company are doing the right thing and keeping optimistic but tempering their expectations.  You don't have the right to be cocky until you've won something.  But boy oh boy the numbers sure do look good.  I have such a good feeling right now...  


by wintersnowman on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:57:20 PM EST
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Jack Murtha was probably right then (none / 0)

But the funny thing about hawks, is, they can only hold their heads up high if the country delivers them a win, isn't it.

Jack Murtha was stating that this election will be a blowout victory for Democrats.

Here in georgia, however, we have the core
of the party and its bitter partisanship centered in. The gubernatorial over here is
"moving day".

It seems to me, that it would be a good idea to try to shift the ideology of the party - centered here in the mega churches that George HW Bush visited, and the Christian Coalition that newly fragmented last week or so.

It seems to me, that the disconnect between generic and individual ballots lies in the fact that the world has truly changed, and a voter, at the ultimate decision, has to decide whether to attempt to dismantle government (which USED to be the republican vote) or influence it by other means (ie, vote democrat) and at that moment of truth , ideology matters.

Right now, its probably clear to many people that what is going on is the october surprise.
my husband (who has a background in physics) has
posted that North Korea, for example, didn't detonate a nuke - it was a 4.2 kiloton yield. The lowest yield ever off critical mass was 20 kiloton. He said you can get 4 kilotons off about 110 pounds of TNT or maybe some HKX compound and that if the North Koreans are for real, then what they've detonated is likely a test of the trigger + they will have to follow on here in a week with a real test.

But having them choose to push the button here , its not so much of a surprise, is it?

Seriously - can the Democrats articulate something that just speaks to what we now know as the new reality of our times - of the internet?

Can the Democrats be the CONNECTED party?


.. and when I win the lottery, gonna donate half my money to the city so they have to name a school or a park after me - camper van beethoven
by heyAnita on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 07:42:31 AM EST

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I'm with Chris in that 30 seems a best case scenario. It will tighten - there is no way the Repub generic ballot number stays in the 30s. Best guess is it ends up something like 53-45. I reckon that should firm up around October 20. Interesting to me that for those who put weight on the betting markets, Tradesports now shows GOP control of the House in the 30s and the Senate in the 60s. If anything the drop rate has increased since the news out of North Korea yesterday. Am gonna stick with my prediction of a 20 seat gain in the House for the moment. But am revising the Senate projection to +5. I just see the irony of Lieberman winning and being the swing vote and all the power that entails being inevitable.


by conspiracy on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 08:43:19 AM EST

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We can't forget who owns and controls the voting machines. Is there a statistical entry for that variable? I've heard people sy, "That's why we have to get out the vote in huge numbers." There's something wrong with that theory if machines can be programmed to flip D to R by a percentage. My organic garden theory gives a third to the pests, a third to disease, and I keep the rest. This theory won't work on hacked machines.


by mrobinsong on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:23:15 PM EST

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Firstly, thanks to "mimikatz" for that Krasno article "The Redistricting Myth", which pretty much sums up my opinion on the issue. Gerrymandering has existed for a long time, granted it is more high-tech than it used to be but certain variables come into play that damage a 100% success rate on gerrymandered districts: 1. Changing demographics 2. Voters registered as Independents who have been increasing in numbers nationwide and can truly swing an election. 3. Creating many districts that spread a party advantage too thin (around 55%).
I understand the point of those concerned about predicting a blowout in a range over a 15 seat pick-up, everything from memories of the 2004 election to Diebold concerns, however, to ignore the current political climate, our excellent candidates, our number of candidates competing in many districts and our fundraising successes just goes against my realistic view of the situation.
I've lived long enough to see (and participate in) some blow-out midterm elections starting with the Gop blowout in 1966, when they picked up districts that noone ever thought they would win. It is possible if the climate is right. So, I'll respect your hesitancy regarding your predictions, but if the election were held today I'd be predicting much larger gains than the tepid ones I'm seeing coming from the direction of CW, as there is not much "conventional" regarding what is happening on the political landscape.
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama
by Predictor on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:08:02 PM EST


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